Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> On 4/12/2024 10:50 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I was going to ask you - and the other Americans in this thread - if
>>> you're all starting to see roundabouts in your area the last few years?
>>> It's not that long ago that we had essentially none in all of southern
>>> Ontario. Now they seem to be the "go to" choice for lots of situations.
>>> I'm not sure why that happened but it's very common now. I had
>>> understood that roundabouts are extremely rare in the US too but my
>>> friend is hearing that they are springing up all over in the US now.
>>> There was one in that video so maybe he's correct.
>>
>> Yes, they’re springing up like tumbleweeds. Usually for a stupid reason.
>> Like a cheerleader barreled through an intersection at three times the
>> speed limit so they decided they should put roundabout in there. She
>> wouldn’t have noticed that anymore than she would’ve noticed the stop sign
>> so she would’ve just hit it and landed on somebody else.
>>
>> They don’t have any signage, and nobody knows who has the right of way and
>> so basically they’re freaking dangerous.
>>
> The vehicle in the round part has the right of way.
>

But even if you know that you can’t assume that the other person knows
that.

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shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 10:50:35 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I was going to ask you - and the other Americans in this thread - if
>>> you're all starting to see roundabouts in your area the last few years?
>>> It's not that long ago that we had essentially none in all of southern
>>> Ontario. Now they seem to be the "go to" choice for lots of situations.
>>> I'm not sure why that happened but it's very common now. I had
>>> understood that roundabouts are extremely rare in the US too but my
>>> friend is hearing that they are springing up all over in the US now.
>>> There was one in that video so maybe he's correct.
>>
>> Yes, they’re springing up like tumbleweeds. Usually for a stupid reason.
>> Like a cheerleader barreled through an intersection at three times the
>> speed limit so they decided they should put roundabout in there. She
>> wouldn’t have noticed that anymore than she would’ve noticed the stop sign
>> so she would’ve just hit it and landed on somebody else.
>>
>> They don’t have any signage, and nobody knows who has the right of way and
>> so basically they’re freaking dangerous.
>
> The idea is that supposedly because of that uncertainty people will
> drive slower and thus limit the # of accidents and the severity of any
> accidents that do happen. Though for people like the cheerleader or
> someone who is drunk enough it won't do a thing to stop them.
>

Yes, the purpose of them is to impede traffic flow. Plus what you said
about drunk drivers.

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On 4/12/2024 5:59 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 4/12/2024 12:26 PM, shawn wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 10:50:35 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I was going to ask you - and the other Americans in this thread - if
>>>> you're all starting to see roundabouts in your area the last few years?
>>>> It's not that long ago that we had essentially none in all of southern
>>>> Ontario. Now they seem to be the "go to" choice for lots of situations.
>>>> I'm not sure why that happened but it's very common now.  I had
>>>> understood that roundabouts are extremely rare in the US too but my
>>>> friend is hearing that they are springing up all over in the US now.
>>>> There was one in that video so maybe he's correct.
>>>
>>> Yes, they’re springing up like tumbleweeds. Usually for a stupid reason.
>>> Like a cheerleader barreled through an intersection at three times the
>>> speed limit so they decided they should put roundabout in there. She
>>> wouldn’t have noticed that anymore than she would’ve noticed the stop
>>> sign
>>> so she would’ve just hit it and landed on somebody else.
>>>
>>> They don’t have any signage, and nobody knows who has the right of
>>> way and
>>> so basically they’re freaking dangerous.
>>
>> The idea is that supposedly because of that uncertainty people will
>> drive slower and thus limit the # of accidents and the severity of any
>> accidents that do happen. Though for people like the cheerleader or
>> someone who is drunk enough it won't do a thing to stop them.
>
> I don't think that's it.  Tests have shown that a roundabout can handle
> more traffic than a four-way stop sign intersection.
>
Yep, I like them. Takes about a week or so to get used to them, but
they're pretty efficient.

On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 20:24:59 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:

>>> Yes, they’re springing up like tumbleweeds. Usually for a stupid reason.
>>> Like a cheerleader barreled through an intersection at three times the
>>> speed limit so they decided they should put roundabout in there. She
>>> wouldn’t have noticed that anymore than she would’ve noticed the stop sign
>>> so she would’ve just hit it and landed on somebody else.
>>>
>>> They don’t have any signage, and nobody knows who has the right of way and
>>> so basically they’re freaking dangerous.
>>>
>> The vehicle in the round part has the right of way.

Fair enough but what if there are 2 lanes in the round-about?

(If you are driving S from the Canadian border towards I-5 near
Bellingham, WA (S of Vancouver) you will encounter at least 6
roundabouts including one 2-lane version so I wasn't asking a snarky
question)

The roundabouts I'm referring to have signs at each entrance saying
"YIELD when entering roundabout")

On Apr 12, 2024 at 10:27:01 PM PDT, "The Horny Goat" <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 20:24:59 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>>>> Yes, they'€™re springing up like tumbleweeds. Usually for a stupid reason.
>>>> Like a cheerleader barreled through an intersection at three times the
>>>> speed limit so they decided they should put roundabout in there. She
>>>> wouldn't have noticed that anymore than she would'€™ve noticed the stop sign
>>>> so she would'€™ve just hit it and landed on somebody else.
>>>>
>>>> They don'€™t have any signage, and nobody knows who has the right of way and
>>>> so basically they'€™re freaking dangerous.
>>>>
>>> The vehicle in the round part has the right of way.
>
> Fair enough but what if there are 2 lanes in the round-about?
>
> (If you are driving S from the Canadian border towards I-5 near
> Bellingham, WA (S of Vancouver) you will encounter at least 6
> roundabouts including one 2-lane version so I wasn't asking a snarky
> question)

We have the mother of all roundabouts in Long Beach. It's a series of nested
roundabouts that you need a PH.d to figure out:

https://ibb.co/gVq04rw

On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 22:27:01 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

>On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 20:24:59 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>wrote:
>
>>>> Yes, they’re springing up like tumbleweeds. Usually for a stupid reason.
>>>> Like a cheerleader barreled through an intersection at three times the
>>>> speed limit so they decided they should put roundabout in there. She
>>>> wouldn’t have noticed that anymore than she would’ve noticed the stop sign
>>>> so she would’ve just hit it and landed on somebody else.
>>>>
>>>> They don’t have any signage, and nobody knows who has the right of way and
>>>> so basically they’re freaking dangerous.
>>>>
>>> The vehicle in the round part has the right of way.
>
>Fair enough but what if there are 2 lanes in the round-about?
>
>(If you are driving S from the Canadian border towards I-5 near
>Bellingham, WA (S of Vancouver) you will encounter at least 6
>roundabouts including one 2-lane version so I wasn't asking a snarky
>question)
>
>The roundabouts I'm referring to have signs at each entrance saying
>"YIELD when entering roundabout")

LOL. You think people pay attention to signs! LOL.

Right across the street from where I live there are multiple lanes of
traffic the rightmost lane set up for incoming traffic. No stop sign
or stop light for them, just a yield sign for oncoming traffic to keep
things flowing since in the morning all the traffic tends to be
merging to the right and in the evening we see the same thing in the
opposite direction.

Yet every day I will see people who either treat the yield sign as a
STOP sign and hold up traffic or treat it as though it wasn't there
and come close to hitting someone. Usually a few times a month there
will be an accident there where someone didn't pay attention to the
oncoming traffic.

So I expect the same would happen with a YIELD sign put up at the
entrance to any roundabout.

On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 06:37:31 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

>On Apr 12, 2024 at 10:27:01 PM PDT, "The Horny Goat" <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 20:24:59 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Yes, they'??re springing up like tumbleweeds. Usually for a stupid reason.
>>>>> Like a cheerleader barreled through an intersection at three times the
>>>>> speed limit so they decided they should put roundabout in there. She
>>>>> wouldn't have noticed that anymore than she would'??ve noticed the stop sign
>>>>> so she would'??ve just hit it and landed on somebody else.
>>>>>
>>>>> They don'??t have any signage, and nobody knows who has the right of way and
>>>>> so basically they'??re freaking dangerous.
>>>>>
>>>> The vehicle in the round part has the right of way.
>>
>> Fair enough but what if there are 2 lanes in the round-about?
>>
>> (If you are driving S from the Canadian border towards I-5 near
>> Bellingham, WA (S of Vancouver) you will encounter at least 6
>> roundabouts including one 2-lane version so I wasn't asking a snarky
>> question)
>
>We have the mother of all roundabouts in Long Beach. It's a series of nested
>roundabouts that you need a PH.d to figure out:
>
>https://ibb.co/gVq04rw
>

How many people have passed away from getting stuck in that mess?
I don't know how/why the traffic designers ever thought that would be
a good idea.

On 4/13/24 1:37 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Apr 12, 2024 at 10:27:01 PM PDT, "The Horny Goat" <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 20:24:59 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Yes, they'€™re springing up like tumbleweeds. Usually for a stupid reason.
>>>>> Like a cheerleader barreled through an intersection at three times the
>>>>> speed limit so they decided they should put roundabout in there. She
>>>>> wouldn't have noticed that anymore than she would'€™ve noticed the stop sign
>>>>> so she would'€™ve just hit it and landed on somebody else.
>>>>>
>>>>> They don'€™t have any signage, and nobody knows who has the right of way and
>>>>> so basically they'€™re freaking dangerous.
>>>>>
>>>> The vehicle in the round part has the right of way.
>>
>> Fair enough but what if there are 2 lanes in the round-about?
>>
>> (If you are driving S from the Canadian border towards I-5 near
>> Bellingham, WA (S of Vancouver) you will encounter at least 6
>> roundabouts including one 2-lane version so I wasn't asking a snarky
>> question)
>
> We have the mother of all roundabouts in Long Beach.

Perhaps you are too stupid to have heard of the prog rock band Yes then.

shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 22:27:01 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 20:24:59 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Yes, they’re springing up like tumbleweeds. Usually for a stupid reason.
>>>>> Like a cheerleader barreled through an intersection at three times the
>>>>> speed limit so they decided they should put roundabout in there. She
>>>>> wouldn’t have noticed that anymore than she would’ve noticed the stop sign
>>>>> so she would’ve just hit it and landed on somebody else.
>>>>>
>>>>> They don’t have any signage, and nobody knows who has the right of way and
>>>>> so basically they’re freaking dangerous.
>>>>>
>>>> The vehicle in the round part has the right of way.
>>
>> Fair enough but what if there are 2 lanes in the round-about?
>>
>> (If you are driving S from the Canadian border towards I-5 near
>> Bellingham, WA (S of Vancouver) you will encounter at least 6
>> roundabouts including one 2-lane version so I wasn't asking a snarky
>> question)
>>
>> The roundabouts I'm referring to have signs at each entrance saying
>> "YIELD when entering roundabout")
>
> LOL. You think people pay attention to signs! LOL.
>
> Right across the street from where I live there are multiple lanes of
> traffic the rightmost lane set up for incoming traffic. No stop sign
> or stop light for them, just a yield sign for oncoming traffic to keep
> things flowing since in the morning all the traffic tends to be
> merging to the right and in the evening we see the same thing in the
> opposite direction.
>
> Yet every day I will see people who either treat the yield sign as a
> STOP sign and hold up traffic or treat it as though it wasn't there
> and come close to hitting someone. Usually a few times a month there
> will be an accident there where someone didn't pay attention to the
> oncoming traffic.
>
> So I expect the same would happen with a YIELD sign put up at the
> entrance to any roundabout.
>

Oh, yeah, we all stop at the entrance to the roundabouts. Did I mention
that they aren’t flat things? They have a lot of plants in the middle to
make sure that you can’t see if there’s anybody else in there.

https://stateline.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/arizona-water-1-1024x768.jpg

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On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 06:08:48 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:

>Oh, yeah, we all stop at the entrance to the roundabouts. Did I mention
>that they aren’t flat things? They have a lot of plants in the middle to
>make sure that you can’t see if there’s anybody else in there.
>
>https://stateline.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/arizona-water-1-1024x768.jpg

I know those all too well. What's really rough are places where
they've got a traffic circle every block for 5 or 6 blocks.