On 2022-10-10 10:37 a.m., Gary wrote:
> On 10/9/2022 9:02 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 10/9/2022 7:15 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>> On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 17:32:37 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-10-09 5:10 p.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 8:10:28 PM UTC-5,
>>>>> bryang...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I used my new knife to cut up the beef. It arrived
>>>>>> super sharp. I only used it on the beef and the
>>>>>> peppers, then washed it, stropped it, and put it
>>>>>> away. I used one of my older knives for the rest,
>>>>>> but I stropped that one well first, and it cut better
>>>>>> than when it was new. Makes me want a cheapo
>>>>>> Harbor Freight bench grinder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Bryan
>>>>>>
>>>>> Invest in one of these.
>>>>> I've got either model 130 or 1520 without going and pulling it out
>>>>> of the
>>>>> cabinet.  It aligns the knife perfectly for sharpening.  If you
>>>>> have a Bed,
>>>>> Bath, and Beyond near you and a 20% off coupon will most likely get
>>>>> you the best price.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://chefschoice.com/collections/knife-sharpener
>>>>
>>>> I have a sharpener with the same design but different colour. I got it
>>>> at Bass Pro Shop about 5 years ago and I have been very happy with it.
>>>> Every once in a while I get it out when a knife needs a touch up and
>>>> while it is out I do all the others. It takes less than a minute to get
>>>> a good sharp edge on a knife. I can do my chefs knives, my carving
>>>> knife, the paring knifes and even my ceramic knives.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.basspro.com/shop/en/chefs-choice-m1520-angleselect-knife-sharpener
>>>>
>>>
>>> Those things are a joke, they ruin good cutlery.
>>
>> How do you know?  Did you ever own or try one?
>
> There might be some truth in what Sheldon says.
> Without googling (Cindy can do that) I seem to remember
> that electric knife sharpeners can overheat your knife blade
> and ruin the "temper."
>
> I prefer slower sharpening.
> I still have an old "wet stone" from my Boy Scout days.
>
> I would like to get better and easier though.
> This one looks good to me and is CHEAP!  :)
> https://chefschoice.com/collections/knife-sharpener/products/chefschoice-diamond-hone-knife-sharpener-model-478

There is always going to be heat when you use an abrasive on steel. The
longer you grind in one spot the hotter it will get. A couple quick
passes on the sharpener will avoid that.
>
>
> I remember in 2016, Notbob (remember him?) found an "AccuSharp" for
> under $10 and raved about it. He bought it at True Value hardware store.
>
> IMO, silly to spend hundreds of dollars for a knife sharpener.
>

Those things will work to fix the edge on a blade that is just a little
dulled. Once in a while they need a proper sharpening.

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 3:37:47 AM UTC-5, bryang...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 9:30:39 PM UTC-5, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> > >
> > But stropping does not sharpen a knife. It does help by aligning the edges of
> > knives.
> >
> It does sharpen. It's just a finer grit than you'll find
> in a "sharpener."
>
> --Bryan
>
Stropping realigns the edges of the knife giving it less resistance which
makes it more efficient and thus seems sharper.

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:52:16 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2022-10-10 10:37 a.m., Gary wrote:
> >
> >> On 10/9/2022 7:15 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Those things are a joke, they ruin good cutlery.
> >>
> > There might be some truth in what Sheldon says.
> > Without googling (Cindy can do that) I seem to remember
> > that electric knife sharpeners can overheat your knife blade
> > and ruin the "temper."
> >
> There is always going to be heat when you use an abrasive on steel. The
> longer you grind in one spot the hotter it will get. A couple quick
> passes on the sharpener will avoid that.
> >
Thank you. I don't know about you Dave, but I don't put my knife in the
sharpener and just leave it as Gary seems to be implying. Just a few
quick swipes between those perfectly positioned grinding stones and
my knife is like a razor.

If these ruined blades as Gary and Sheldon believe, they'd get horrible
reviews and nobody would be buying them and they'd be off the market.

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:37:58 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> On 10/9/2022 9:02 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > On 10/9/2022 7:15 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> >> On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 17:32:37 -0400, Dave Smith
> >> <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 2022-10-09 5:10 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> >>>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 8:10:28 PM UTC-5,
> >>>> bryang...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I used my new knife to cut up the beef. It arrived
> >>>>> super sharp. I only used it on the beef and the
> >>>>> peppers, then washed it, stropped it, and put it
> >>>>> away. I used one of my older knives for the rest,
> >>>>> but I stropped that one well first, and it cut better
> >>>>> than when it was new. Makes me want a cheapo
> >>>>> Harbor Freight bench grinder.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --Bryan
> >>>>>
> >>>> Invest in one of these.
> >>>> I've got either model 130 or 1520 without going and pulling it out
> >>>> of the
> >>>> cabinet. It aligns the knife perfectly for sharpening. If you have
> >>>> a Bed,
> >>>> Bath, and Beyond near you and a 20% off coupon will most likely get
> >>>> you the best price.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://chefschoice.com/collections/knife-sharpener
> >>>
> >>> I have a sharpener with the same design but different colour. I got it
> >>> at Bass Pro Shop about 5 years ago and I have been very happy with it.
> >>> Every once in a while I get it out when a knife needs a touch up and
> >>> while it is out I do all the others. It takes less than a minute to get
> >>> a good sharp edge on a knife. I can do my chefs knives, my carving
> >>> knife, the paring knifes and even my ceramic knives.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.basspro.com/shop/en/chefs-choice-m1520-angleselect-knife-sharpener
> >>
> >> Those things are a joke, they ruin good cutlery.
> >
> > How do you know? Did you ever own or try one?
> There might be some truth in what Sheldon says.
> Without googling (Cindy can do that) I seem to remember
> that electric knife sharpeners can overheat your knife blade
> and ruin the "temper."
>
> I prefer slower sharpening.
> I still have an old "wet stone" from my Boy Scout days.
>
> I would like to get better and easier though.
> This one looks good to me and is CHEAP! :)
> https://chefschoice.com/collections/knife-sharpener/products/chefschoice-diamond-hone-knife-sharpener-model-478
>
> I remember in 2016, Notbob (remember him?) found an "AccuSharp" for
> under $10 and raved about it. He bought it at True Value hardware store.
>
> IMO, silly to spend hundreds of dollars for a knife sharpener.

I got one of these. It's a block with 4 diamond embedded sides in different grits. They're kind of a hassle to use but it's cheap enough.

https://www.amazon.com/Sharpening-Diamond-Kitchen-Sharpener-Whetstone/dp/B0787N12QF

On 2022-10-10 1:15 p.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:52:16 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> On 2022-10-10 10:37 a.m., Gary wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/9/2022 7:15 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Those things are a joke, they ruin good cutlery.
>>>>
>>> There might be some truth in what Sheldon says.
>>> Without googling (Cindy can do that) I seem to remember
>>> that electric knife sharpeners can overheat your knife blade
>>> and ruin the "temper."
>>>
>> There is always going to be heat when you use an abrasive on steel. The
>> longer you grind in one spot the hotter it will get. A couple quick
>> passes on the sharpener will avoid that.
>>>
> Thank you. I don't know about you Dave, but I don't put my knife in the
> sharpener and just leave it as Gary seems to be implying. Just a few
> quick swipes between those perfectly positioned grinding stones and
> my knife is like a razor.
>
> If these ruined blades as Gary and Sheldon believe, they'd get horrible
> reviews and nobody would be buying them and they'd be off the market.

Yet, there are at least two of us who own them and think they are great.
I have absolutely no regrets about buying one.

On Mon, 10 Oct 2022 10:37:52 -0400, Gary <g.majors@att.net> wrote:

>On 10/9/2022 9:02 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 10/9/2022 7:15 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>> On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 17:32:37 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-10-09 5:10 p.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 8:10:28 PM UTC-5,
>>>>> bryang...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I used my new knife to cut up the beef. It arrived
>>>>>> super sharp. I only used it on the beef and the
>>>>>> peppers, then washed it, stropped it, and put it
>>>>>> away. I used one of my older knives for the rest,
>>>>>> but I stropped that one well first, and it cut better
>>>>>> than when it was new. Makes me want a cheapo
>>>>>> Harbor Freight bench grinder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Bryan
>>>>>>
>>>>> Invest in one of these.
>>>>> I've got either model 130 or 1520 without going and pulling it out
>>>>> of the
>>>>> cabinet.  It aligns the knife perfectly for sharpening.  If you have
>>>>> a Bed,
>>>>> Bath, and Beyond near you and a 20% off coupon will most likely get
>>>>> you the best price.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://chefschoice.com/collections/knife-sharpener
>>>>
>>>> I have a sharpener with the same design but different colour. I got it
>>>> at Bass Pro Shop about 5 years ago and I have been very happy with it.
>>>> Every once in a while I get it out when a knife needs a touch up and
>>>> while it is out I do all the others. It takes less than a minute to get
>>>> a good sharp edge on a knife. I can do my chefs knives, my carving
>>>> knife, the paring knifes and even my ceramic knives.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.basspro.com/shop/en/chefs-choice-m1520-angleselect-knife-sharpener
>>>
>>> Those things are a joke, they ruin good cutlery.
>>
>> How do you know?  Did you ever own or try one?
>
>There might be some truth in what Sheldon says.
>Without googling (Cindy can do that) I seem to remember
>that electric knife sharpeners can overheat your knife blade
>and ruin the "temper."
>
>I prefer slower sharpening.
>I still have an old "wet stone" from my Boy Scout days.
>
>I would like to get better and easier though.
>This one looks good to me and is CHEAP! :)
>https://chefschoice.com/collections/knife-sharpener/products/chefschoice-diamond-hone-knife-sharpener-model-478
>
>I remember in 2016, Notbob (remember him?) found an "AccuSharp" for
>under $10 and raved about it. He bought it at True Value hardware store.
>
>IMO, silly to spend hundreds of dollars for a knife sharpener.

There is actually no such thing as a knife sharpener. Every gizmo
sold as a knife sharpener is in fact a knife ruiner.

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 12:35:52 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2022-10-10 1:15 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> >
> > If these ruined blades as Gary and Sheldon believe, they'd get horrible
> > reviews and nobody would be buying them and they'd be off the market.
> >
> Yet, there are at least two of us who own them and think they are great.
> I have absolutely no regrets about buying one.
>
Three of us. Sheila has one, too.

I've had mine for 10-12 years and also have no regrets buying it.

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 12:57:27 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>
> There is actually no such thing as a knife sharpener. Every gizmo
> sold as a knife sharpener is in fact a knife ruiner.
>
Another spouting from someone who doesn't own this tool. And because
he doesn't own one, it must be a knife 'ruiner.' The company that produces
these doesn't need your stamp of approval. They do a booming business
without your patronage.

On 10/10/2022 19:52, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 12:57:27 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>
>> There is actually no such thing as a knife sharpener. Every gizmo
>> sold as a knife sharpener is in fact a knife ruiner.
>>
> Another spouting from someone who doesn't own this tool. And because
> he doesn't own one, it must be a knife 'ruiner.' The company that produces
> these doesn't need your stamp of approval. They do a booming business
> without your patronage.
>
I bought my first one, an early model, in the 1980s. I now have two of
them - my original, and one of the newer, even better ones.

I've even managed to resuscitate knives which had been seriously abused,
resetting the blades and sharpening them to better than new.

My father taught me how to sharpen blades using traditional methods,
when I was a teenager. The electric sharpeners I now have, do as good a
job, much faster, and don't require the lessons I had - just follow the
simple directions that come with the gadget.

itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 12:57:27 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> >
> > There is actually no such thing as a knife sharpener. Every gizmo
> > sold as a knife sharpener is in fact a knife ruiner.
> >
> Another spouting from someone who doesn't own this tool. And because
> he doesn't own one, it must be a knife 'ruiner.' The company that
> produces these doesn't need your stamp of approval. They do a
> booming business without your patronage.

True. Seen it several times. There a lot of 'cooking aides' that only
1 of us have mentioned having.

Here's ones I have and use a lot, that some folks here rag on:

Rice maker with steamer top
Bread machine
Gas oven and stove top
Sandwich/waffle/pancake maker
3 crockpots, various sizes
Stovetop popcorn maker
Lots of cast iron: pans (4) and dutch ovens (3) plus some bakeware (3)

Things I don't have or barely use:
Blender, just a tiny Japanese one, 2 cups tops
Kitchen aide, don't have
Mixer, don't have
Food processor, don't have
Instapot, gave it away after 1 use
Pressure canner, don't have
Kitchen scales

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:22:48 PM UTC-5, S Viemeister wrote:
>
> On 10/10/2022 19:52, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> >
> > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 12:57:27 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> >>
> >> There is actually no such thing as a knife sharpener. Every gizmo
> >> sold as a knife sharpener is in fact a knife ruiner.
> >>
> > Another spouting from someone who doesn't own this tool. And because
> > he doesn't own one, it must be a knife 'ruiner.' The company that produces
> > these doesn't need your stamp of approval. They do a booming business
> > without your patronage.
> >
> I bought my first one, an early model, in the 1980s. I now have two of
> them - my original, and one of the newer, even better ones.
>
> I've even managed to resuscitate knives which had been seriously abused,
> resetting the blades and sharpening them to better than new.
>
> My father taught me how to sharpen blades using traditional methods,
> when I was a teenager. The electric sharpeners I now have, do as good a
> job, much faster, and don't require the lessons I had - just follow the
> simple directions that come with the gadget.
>
It truly is a simple tool with simple instructions that produces remarkable results.

On 2022-10-10, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:

> Another spouting from someone who doesn't own this tool.

Err, No. It was also Sheldon who spouted a
similar message yesterday.

The electric ones look easier to use.

Plus, it looks like your fingers are safer.
With mine, it's much easier to cut fingers.

itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 3:37:47 AM UTC-5, bryang...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 9:30:39 PM UTC-5, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>>>>
>>> But stropping does not sharpen a knife. It does help by aligning the edges of
>>> knives.
>>>
>> It does sharpen. It's just a finer grit than you'll find
>> in a "sharpener."
>>
>> --Bryan
>>
> Stropping realigns the edges of the knife giving it less resistance which
> makes it more efficient and thus seems sharper.
>

But only a machinist's file will get it Popeye sharp.

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 5:04:42 PM UTC-5, Mike Duffy wrote:
>
> On 2022-10-10, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> > Another spouting from someone who doesn't own this tool.
> >
> Err, No. It was also Sheldon who spouted a
> similar message yesterday.
>
I quoted Sheldon saying the electric knife sharpeners are knife 'ruiners.'
>
> The electric ones look easier to use.
>
They are and precise.
>
> Plus, it looks like your fingers are safer.
> With mine, it's much easier to cut fingers.
>
Makes me glad I own the electric model.
:o)

On 10/10/2022 2:52 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 12:57:27 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>
>> There is actually no such thing as a knife sharpener. Every gizmo
>> sold as a knife sharpener is in fact a knife ruiner.

Sheldon, you only use a "steel" on your knives. Those are pretty harsh
on a knife blade.

>>
> Another spouting from someone who doesn't own this tool. And because
> he doesn't own one, it must be a knife 'ruiner.'

> The company that produces
> these doesn't need your stamp of approval. They do a booming business
> without your patronage.

heh. That's exactly what McDonald's say. :)