dsi1 wrote:

> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 1:51:10 PM UTC-10,
> bryang...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 5:23:43 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 11:16:42 AM UTC-10, Cindy
> > > Hamilton wrote:
> > > > On 2022-10-08, dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 11:21:30 PM UTC-10, Cindy
> > > > > Hamilton wrote:
> > > > >> On 2022-10-08, Michael Trew <michae...@att.net> wrote:
> > > > >> > On 10/7/2022 2:54, dsi1 wrote:
> > > > >> >> On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 8:10:40 PM UTC-10,
> > > > Michael Trew >> >> wrote:
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>> I bet the top of the double boiler wiped right out after
> > > > the eggs; >> >>> way easier than cleaning a single skillet for
> > > > scrambled eggs. >> >>> Better yet, make some hard-boiled eggs
> > > > underneath, and after >> >>> plating the scrambled eggs, dump
> > > > the water into the upper skillet >> >>> to wash it all at once.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> I've been using the spray head on my faucet to clean out
> > > > the >> >> non-stick fry pans. I don't have to touch the pan or
> > > > use any soap. >> >> It's like power washing the pans. Boy, I'm
> > > > as happy as a clam about >> >> that.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I've never had such a thing, but I've seen them in
> > > > restaurant kitchens. >> Really? Side sprayers have been common
> > > > in kitchens for decades, and >> pullout faucets with a spray
> > > > setting are at least a couple of decades >> old. This house had
> > > > one when I moved in. >>
> > > > >> They don't obviate the need to use detergent, however.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> Cindy Hamilton
> > > > >
> > > > > This is not your daddy's side sprayer. It's a nozzle setting
> > > > > on the pull-out faucet head. The important part is the nozzle
> > > > > design.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/p7taXVXx7ZgAkrAL8
> > > > Do you read other people's posts, or do you just use them as
> > > > fodder for incoherent speculation:
> > > > This house had one when I moved in.
> > > > You still need to use dish detergent, you filthy pig.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Cindy Hamilton
> > > I never said your daddy had one. I don't know nothing about your
> > > daddy. It's an American figure of speech. Language is hard for
> > > you, ain't it? Washing frying pans using plain water is
> > > perfectly acceptable. Anybody that excels at preparing food would
> > > know that, Betty Crocker.
> > >
> > Haha. Cindy called David, "filthy pig." David called Cindy,
> > "Betty Crocker." I just snatched a fruit fly out of the air, and
> > smashed it on the leg of my trousers. Soon, I'll crack open
> > my 3rd beer. What a newsgroup!
> >
> > --Bryan
>
> As my uncle Charlie used to say, "very bad things happen when wife
> washes wok." I'm making shoyu chicken. It's chicken thighs boiled in
> water, shoyu, sugar, and ginger. That's it. I boil it for about 40
> minutes. I'll probably thicken the braising sauce with cornstarch and
> maybe put the chicken under the broiler - or I might not. It's
> Hawaiian plantation food at it's finest - and lowest.

I make a dish we call 'ugly chicken'. It;s not pretty but it's really
tasty. It's chicken dark meat parts, water, shoyu, and Goya Adobo
seasoning.

3 TB shoyu, 3 TB seasoning, water to cover (may have to add more as it
simmers). 45-60 minutes (just depends on how big the batch).

It's well named as it's not pretty but the taste is devine! Freezes
well, stores well. I tend to do it 3lbs at a batch and may use even
more seasoning blend then.

Only cut not recommended, white meat breast.

The seasoning liquid can go in the fridge and used to season vegetables.

Gary wrote:

> cshenk wrote:
> > If I'm just rinsing out a juice glass, it's fine.
>
> I never drink juice - too many simple carbs. lol

I mostly do tea. Same thing, water rinse is fine.

On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 Gary wrote:
> cshenk wrote:
>> If I'm just rinsing out a juice glass, it's fine.
>
>I never drink juice - too many simple carbs. lol

Drinking OJ for breakfast is just a result of brainwashing, has no
real food value, may as well suck a Vitamin C pill and a sugar cube.
We prefer fresh citrus. I get my share of Vitamin C from fresh lemons
in my Crystal Palace.

Sheldon Martin wrote:

> On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 Gary wrote:
> > cshenk wrote:
> >> If I'm just rinsing out a juice glass, it's fine.
> >
> > I never drink juice - too many simple carbs. lol
>
> Drinking OJ for breakfast is just a result of brainwashing, has no
> real food value, may as well suck a Vitamin C pill and a sugar cube.
> We prefer fresh citrus. I get my share of Vitamin C from fresh lemons
> in my Crystal Palace.

I happen to like juice at times. Who said OJ but you?

On 2022-10-09, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

> I happen to like juice at times. Who said OJ but you?

I always try to keep at least 2 types of juice on the go.

One is always orange; thee other apple or pineapple,
or one of the 'Ocean Spray' mixes.

(i.e. Cranberry plus one of raspberry, grape, pomengranite,
cherry, &c.)

On 10/9/2022 1:43 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 Gary wrote:
>> cshenk wrote:
>>> If I'm just rinsing out a juice glass, it's fine.
>>
>> I never drink juice - too many simple carbs. lol
>
> Drinking OJ for breakfast is just a result of brainwashing, has no
> real food value, may as well suck a Vitamin C pill and a sugar cube.
> We prefer fresh citrus. I get my share of Vitamin C from fresh lemons
> in my Crystal Palace.

I only drink OJ when I can get good oranges. No comparison to the
commercial stuff, bottle or frozen.

On 2022-10-09 8:01 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 10/9/2022 1:43 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 Gary wrote:
>>>   cshenk wrote:
>>>> If I'm just rinsing out a juice glass, it's fine.
>>>
>>> I never drink juice - too many simple carbs. lol
>>
>> Drinking OJ for breakfast is just a result of brainwashing, has no
>> real food value, may as well suck a Vitamin C pill and a sugar cube.
>> We prefer fresh citrus.  I get my share of Vitamin C from fresh lemons
>> in my Crystal Palace.
>
> I only drink OJ when I can get good oranges.  No comparison to the
> commercial stuff, bottle or frozen.

I used to love orange juice. I was quite happy with frozen concentrate.
I had to stop drinking it because it was just too hard on my guts. I got
rid of my gall bladder a few years ago and have been able to handle
acidic foods like that again. Over the last couple months I got brave
enough to buy some orange juice and tried to have only a little bit at a
time. What a disappointment. I got the bottle stuff first and then tried
the frozen. It's just not as good as I remember.

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 7:01:48 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 10/9/2022 1:43 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> > On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 Gary wrote:
> >> cshenk wrote:
> >>> If I'm just rinsing out a juice glass, it's fine.
> >>
> >> I never drink juice - too many simple carbs. lol
> >
> > Drinking OJ for breakfast is just a result of brainwashing, has no
> > real food value, may as well suck a Vitamin C pill and a sugar cube.
> > We prefer fresh citrus. I get my share of Vitamin C from fresh lemons
> > in my Crystal Palace.
> I only drink OJ when I can get good oranges. No comparison to the
> commercial stuff, bottle or frozen.
>
One can always get "good oranges," if the price
isn't prohibitive, and frozen concentrate is only
useful for making orange sauce, but the leftover
concentrate is drinkable.

--Bryan

On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 8:11:48 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> Maybe Sheldon is correct about organic produce:
>

The United States has few options in Ukraine not just because of the Biden Administration’s fiascos in
Afghanistan that destroyed our deterrence or because of the Biden family syndicate’s years of corrupt
money leveraging of Russian, Ukrainian, and Chinese interests that make Joe Biden vulnerable to
pressures from all the major interests in the Ukraine mess.

It is also not just because the woke politicization of the U.S. military has cast global doubt on American military readiness.

And it is not even because Biden deliberately has cut back on U.S. gas and oil production at a time of surging global
demand and reduced capacity, thus enriching Putin and strangling Western economies.

Obama's infamous Russian reset was one of his worst foreign policy errors and was the watershed moment
of our current Ukraine-Russia crisis. It epitomized virtually everything the Democrats do when in power where
one cringes at knowing the inevitable result will be painful for America and it's citizens.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 10/9/2022 1:43 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 Gary wrote:
>>>   cshenk wrote:
>>>> If I'm just rinsing out a juice glass, it's fine.
>>>
>>> I never drink juice - too many simple carbs. l >>
>> Drinking OJ for breakfast is just a result of brainwashing, has no
>> real food value, may as well suck a Vitamin C pill and a sugar cube.
>> We prefer fresh citrus.  I get my share of Vitamin C from fresh lemons
>> in my Crystal Palace.
>
> I only drink OJ when I can get good oranges.  No comparison to the
> commercial stuff, bottle or frozen.

Very true but is expensive. Takes so many oranges to get a glassful.
I think the original Tropicana is the best commercial brand.
It tastes very much like fresh squeezed. Worth the higher price to me.
It even comes with 'Calcium added' for ppl worried about their calcium
intake.

BTW, my comment (quoted above):
"I never drink juice - too many simple carbs."
Just dry humor directed at the "anti carb" crowd.

I don't always have juice though so I keep Vitamin C tablets here.
1000 mg horse tablets so I cut them in half and eat half now and then

On 10/10/2022 8:32 AM, Gary wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 10/9/2022 1:43 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>> On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 Gary wrote:
>>>>   cshenk wrote:
>>>>> If I'm just rinsing out a juice glass, it's fine.
>>>>
>>>> I never drink juice - too many simple carbs. l >>
>>> Drinking OJ for breakfast is just a result of brainwashing, has no
>>> real food value, may as well suck a Vitamin C pill and a sugar cube.
>>> We prefer fresh citrus.  I get my share of Vitamin C from fresh lemons
>>> in my Crystal Palace.
>>
>> I only drink OJ when I can get good oranges.  No comparison to the
>> commercial stuff, bottle or frozen.
>
> Very true but is expensive. Takes so many oranges to get a glassful.
> I think the original Tropicana is the best commercial brand.
> It tastes very much like fresh squeezed. Worth the higher price to me.
> It even comes with 'Calcium added' for ppl worried about their calcium
> intake.
>

Tropicana plant is about 20 miles from me. I see the big dump trucks on
the highway, loaded with oranges, heading over there.

They get more liquid out of an orange than I do, but they also get some
oils that detracts from the taste. I pay the price not to get that.

On Mon, 10 Oct 2022 Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>On 10/10/2022 Gary wrote:
>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 10/9/2022 Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 Gary wrote:
>>>>>   cshenk wrote:
>>>>>> If I'm just rinsing out a juice glass, it's fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> I never drink juice - too many simple carbs. l >>
>>>> Drinking OJ for breakfast is just a result of brainwashing, has no
>>>> real food value, may as well suck a Vitamin C pill and a sugar cube.
>>>> We prefer fresh citrus.  I get my share of Vitamin C from fresh lemons
>>>> in my Crystal Palace.
>>>
>>> I only drink OJ when I can get good oranges.  No comparison to the
>>> commercial stuff, bottle or frozen.
>>
>> Very true but is expensive. Takes so many oranges to get a glassful.
>> I think the original Tropicana is the best commercial brand.
>> It tastes very much like fresh squeezed. Worth the higher price to me.
>> It even comes with 'Calcium added' for ppl worried about their calcium
>> intake.
>
>Tropicana plant is about 20 miles from me. I see the big dump trucks on
>the highway, loaded with oranges, heading over there.
>
>They get more liquid out of an orange than I do, but they also get some
>oils that detracts from the taste. I pay the price not to get that.

We eat fresh citrus, there are always fresh oranges at produce
departments. We peel and eat them, not much effort involved... we eat
the segments. We have a citrus squeezer but never use it, leaves
behind the pulp that contains fiber and much of the nutrients...
buying squeezed OJ does the same only you don't know how long ago it
was squeezed and how it was handled... Vitamin C readily evaporates.
The natural orange rind is best at preserving nutrients. Drinking
factory squeezed OJ is like eating mystery meat, maybe worse as they
squeeze a truckload at a time, fruit is not carefully washed to remove
chemferts prior to squeezing, they don't halve the citrus, it's
squeezed whole.
When you buy frozen OJ it's actually a blend of various oranges,
controls the flavor but not the nutrition, and it's not the most
sanitary operation, contains insects and schmutz... probably squeezed
snakes and mice. No thank you, we'll stick to whole citrus. Growing
up in Belize my wife knows very well how juice citrus is handled, her
family always peeled citrus for eating, they grew their own.

On Mon, 10 Oct 2022 Gary wrote:

>Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 10/9/2022 1:43 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>> On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 Gary wrote:
>>>>   cshenk wrote:
>>>>> If I'm just rinsing out a juice glass, it's fine.
>>>>
>>>> I never drink juice - too many simple carbs. l >>
>>> Drinking OJ for breakfast is just a result of brainwashing, has no
>>> real food value, may as well suck a Vitamin C pill and a sugar cube.
>>> We prefer fresh citrus.  I get my share of Vitamin C from fresh lemons
>>> in my Crystal Palace.
>>
>> I only drink OJ when I can get good oranges.  No comparison to the
>> commercial stuff, bottle or frozen.
>
>Very true but is expensive. Takes so many oranges to get a glassful.
>I think the original Tropicana is the best commercial brand.
>It tastes very much like fresh squeezed. Worth the higher price to me.
>It even comes with 'Calcium added' for ppl worried about their calcium
>intake.
>
>BTW, my comment (quoted above):
>"I never drink juice - too many simple carbs."
>Just dry humor directed at the "anti carb" crowd.
>
>I don't always have juice though so I keep Vitamin C tablets here.

Are your hands too little girl like to peel oranges and eat segments?

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:01:48 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 10/9/2022 1:43 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> > On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 Gary wrote:
> >> cshenk wrote:
> >>> If I'm just rinsing out a juice glass, it's fine.
> >>
> >> I never drink juice - too many simple carbs. lol
> >
> > Drinking OJ for breakfast is just a result of brainwashing, has no
> > real food value, may as well suck a Vitamin C pill and a sugar cube.
> > We prefer fresh citrus. I get my share of Vitamin C from fresh lemons
> > in my Crystal Palace.
>
> I only drink OJ when I can get good oranges. No comparison to the
> commercial stuff, bottle or frozen.

I try some with gin some times, but I like that gin, water and lime juice combo a little better though.

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 7:53:12 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> Tropicana plant is about 20 miles from me. I see the big dump trucks on
> the highway, loaded with oranges, heading over there.
>
> They get more liquid out of an orange than I do, but they also get some
> oils that detracts from the taste. I pay the price not to get that.
>
I've always found Tropicana to be bitter or just too sharp. Maybe it's the
oil from the oranges that gives it that unpleasant taste which I had not
thought of. Simply Orange has the same bitter/too sharp taste to me
as well.

On Mon, 10 Oct 2022 09:51:08 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net"
<itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 7:53:12 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >
>> Tropicana plant is about 20 miles from me. I see the big dump trucks on
>> the highway, loaded with oranges, heading over there.
>>
>> They get more liquid out of an orange than I do, but they also get some
>> oils that detracts from the taste. I pay the price not to get that.
>>
>I've always found Tropicana to be bitter or just too sharp. Maybe it's the
>oil from the oranges that gives it that unpleasant taste which I had not
>thought of. Simply Orange has the same bitter/too sharp taste to me
>as well.

Must have been the "natural flavors" (aka ground armadillo turds).

Tropicana Orange Juice:
"orange juice from concentrate (filtered water and orange juice
concentrate) and natural flavors*. *ingredient not found in regular
orange juice"

--
Bruce
<https://emalm.com/?v=SQqZJ>

On 10/8/2022 17:16, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2022-10-08, dsi1<dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>> On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 11:21:30 PM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On 2022-10-08, Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've never had such a thing, but I've seen them in restaurant kitchens.
>>> Really? Side sprayers have been common in kitchens for decades, and
>>> pullout faucets with a spray setting are at least a couple of decades
>>> old. This house had one when I moved in.

Well, of course I know what a "normal side sprayer is" (even though I
don't have one in my kitchen). They are not high-pressure like the one
David is describing, and photographed below.

>> This is not your daddy's side sprayer. It's a nozzle setting on the
>> pull-out faucet head. The important part is the nozzle design.
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/p7taXVXx7ZgAkrAL8

That's exactly what I thought you were describing. Some crazy
high-pressure sprayer, unlike the side sprayer that Cindy is talking
about. I think Cindy's still confused about the difference between the two.

> You still need to use dish detergent, you filthy pig.

LOLOL!! That was great, almost Sheldonesque. Y'all are a riot!

I, too, don't use dish detergent, in certain cases. I'd be furious if
someone used dish detergent in my coffee mug; gross. I'd also would not
be happy if someone used dish detergent on my cast iron skillets.
Sometimes, I briefly dunk them into the dish water after all of the suds
are spent, before letting the water down. Typically, I only rinse them.
Same for steel/aluminum skillets which aren't heavily soiled.

On 10/7/2022 22:15, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 10/7/2022 8:48 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>
>> My ancient instantaneous hot water heater only works on
>> full-blast, for some reason. That's kind of inconvenient, but boy,
>> does the water get HOT! Perhaps I can find an old plumber that knows
>> how to adjust it. I can't find any info online.
>
> There is one where I'm staying this week. I really don't like them. You
> need some minimum flow to get it to heat. If you turn it down too much
> at the faucet it goes cold again. If you just want a trickle it is useless.
>
> Should be some way to adjust temperature but there is still probably a
> minimum.

From what I can tell, the temperature on mine really can't be adjusted;
it is what it is. In the summer, it comes out at around 150 degrees.
In the winter, with cold ground water; I'd say 20 degrees cooler, give/take.

Keep in mind, the instantaneous unit that I'm talking about is a 93 year
old cast iron monster, with a copper coil twisted up the center, with
tall flames that lick over the coil... it's nothing like the modern
variety. Half tap is nothing... it has to be well over 3/4 tap to get
hot. I think it can be tinkered with, but I don't want to break my only
hot water source (save boiling pots of water on the stove).

Here is a picture of the outside, and a picture with the door open and
the burner going. I have a video, but I don't know a way to post it.
It's interesting to watch it run:

https://postimg.cc/gallery/CkdMDYj

On 2022-10-11, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
> On 10/8/2022 17:16, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2022-10-08, dsi1<dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>>> On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 11:21:30 PM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On 2022-10-08, Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never had such a thing, but I've seen them in restaurant kitchens.
>>>> Really? Side sprayers have been common in kitchens for decades, and
>>>> pullout faucets with a spray setting are at least a couple of decades
>>>> old. This house had one when I moved in.
>
> Well, of course I know what a "normal side sprayer is" (even though I
> don't have one in my kitchen). They are not high-pressure like the one
> David is describing, and photographed below.
>
>>> This is not your daddy's side sprayer. It's a nozzle setting on the
>>> pull-out faucet head. The important part is the nozzle design.
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/p7taXVXx7ZgAkrAL8
>
> That's exactly what I thought you were describing. Some crazy
> high-pressure sprayer, unlike the side sprayer that Cindy is talking
> about. I think Cindy's still confused about the difference between the two.

Really? You think it matters whether it's a stream of water from the
faucet or pressure water to blast the skin off your hand? Detergent is
still needed. Where did this start? Cooking eggs? Grease and protein.

>> You still need to use dish detergent, you filthy pig.
>
> LOLOL!! That was great, almost Sheldonesque. Y'all are a riot!
>
> I, too, don't use dish detergent, in certain cases. I'd be furious if
> someone used dish detergent in my coffee mug; gross. I'd also would not
> be happy if someone used dish detergent on my cast iron skillets.
> Sometimes, I briefly dunk them into the dish water after all of the suds
> are spent, before letting the water down. Typically, I only rinse them.
> Same for steel/aluminum skillets which aren't heavily soiled.

Do you enjoy the coffee buildup in your mug? I take mine with milk, so
it goes in the dishwasher.

I clean my cast iron skillet with salt and oil, finishing up with some
heat. Once in a while I give it a little Ivory dish detergent if it's
particularly gunky. That doesn't disturb the seasoning.

I'll cop to wiping out a nonstick skillet with a damp cloth after making
a quesadilla. A little bit of flour tortilla isn't worrisome.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 10/11/2022 5:42, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Do you enjoy the coffee buildup in your mug? I take mine with milk, so
> it goes in the dishwasher.

Even my white coffee mug doesn't have coffee build-up. I drink it plain
black. I don't want it to taste like dish detergent... yes, it makes a
difference in the coffee taste. Rinse regularly and thoroughly, usually
rubbing the inside with my hand whilst I rinse it. It is sometimes
rubbed with a clean dish rag during the rinse.

> I clean my cast iron skillet with salt and oil, finishing up with some
> heat. Once in a while I give it a little Ivory dish detergent if it's
> particularly gunky. That doesn't disturb the seasoning.

About the same here, but I don't think I've ever tried salt...
presumably as an abrasive?

> I'll cop to wiping out a nonstick skillet with a damp cloth after making
> a quesadilla. A little bit of flour tortilla isn't worrisome.

I knew a guy who worked in a teflon factory. He said that the vast
majority of the guys died within a year or two of retirement. He was in
very poor health himself; tons of issues... teflon is not good stuff.

On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 00:26:25 -0400, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

>On 10/11/2022 5:42, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> I'll cop to wiping out a nonstick skillet with a damp cloth after making
>> a quesadilla. A little bit of flour tortilla isn't worrisome.
>
>I knew a guy who worked in a teflon factory. He said that the vast
>majority of the guys died within a year or two of retirement. He was in
>very poor health himself; tons of issues... teflon is not good stuff.

I've posted that here before. The boomers chose not to believe me.
Aww, lil' boomers.

--
Bruce
<https://emalm.com/?v=SQqZJ>

On 2022-10-12, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
> On 10/11/2022 5:42, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Do you enjoy the coffee buildup in your mug? I take mine with milk, so
>> it goes in the dishwasher.
>
> Even my white coffee mug doesn't have coffee build-up. I drink it plain
> black. I don't want it to taste like dish detergent... yes, it makes a
> difference in the coffee taste.

I put my coffee mugs and my Mr. Coffee carafe in the dishwasher and
there's no detergent taste.

Maybe you need a different detergent.

> Rinse regularly and thoroughly, usually
> rubbing the inside with my hand whilst I rinse it. It is sometimes
> rubbed with a clean dish rag during the rinse.
>
>> I clean my cast iron skillet with salt and oil, finishing up with some
>> heat. Once in a while I give it a little Ivory dish detergent if it's
>> particularly gunky. That doesn't disturb the seasoning.
>
> About the same here, but I don't think I've ever tried salt...
> presumably as an abrasive?

Yes. I've used my 8-inch cast iron pan to roast pork loin, and that
causes some crusty buildup. Salt scrubs it away and then rinses clean.

>> I'll cop to wiping out a nonstick skillet with a damp cloth after making
>> a quesadilla. A little bit of flour tortilla isn't worrisome.
>
> I knew a guy who worked in a teflon factory. He said that the vast
> majority of the guys died within a year or two of retirement. He was in
> very poor health himself; tons of issues... teflon is not good stuff.

Yet if you use it properly, it's safe enough and works beautifully.
For high-heat cooking I have a clad stainless skillet.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 09:39:00 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

>On 2022-10-12, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
>> On 10/11/2022 5:42, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you enjoy the coffee buildup in your mug? I take mine with milk, so
>>> it goes in the dishwasher.
>>
>> Even my white coffee mug doesn't have coffee build-up. I drink it plain
>> black. I don't want it to taste like dish detergent... yes, it makes a
>> difference in the coffee taste.
>
>I put my coffee mugs and my Mr. Coffee carafe in the dishwasher and
>there's no detergent taste.
>
>Maybe you need a different detergent.

He probably uses a batch of detergent from the 50s that he got for
cheap at a flea market.

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Bruce
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On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 6:26:29 PM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 10/11/2022 5:42, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > Do you enjoy the coffee buildup in your mug? I take mine with milk, so
> > it goes in the dishwasher.
> Even my white coffee mug doesn't have coffee build-up. I drink it plain
> black. I don't want it to taste like dish detergent... yes, it makes a
> difference in the coffee taste. Rinse regularly and thoroughly, usually
> rubbing the inside with my hand whilst I rinse it. It is sometimes
> rubbed with a clean dish rag during the rinse.
> > I clean my cast iron skillet with salt and oil, finishing up with some
> > heat. Once in a while I give it a little Ivory dish detergent if it's
> > particularly gunky. That doesn't disturb the seasoning.
> About the same here, but I don't think I've ever tried salt...
> presumably as an abrasive?
> > I'll cop to wiping out a nonstick skillet with a damp cloth after making
> > a quesadilla. A little bit of flour tortilla isn't worrisome.
> I knew a guy who worked in a teflon factory. He said that the vast
> majority of the guys died within a year or two of retirement. He was in
> very poor health himself; tons of issues... teflon is not good stuff.

I'm using a Maifan coated non-stick pans. They don't seem to have that outgassing that those plastic coated pans have. It's a lot more durable than regular coatings. I didn't start out to get those pans, it just happened that the three pans that I use these days are coated with it.

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On 2022-10-11, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

> I clean my cast iron skillet with salt and oil, finishing up with some
> heat. Once in a while I give it a little Ivory dish detergent if it's
> particularly gunky. That doesn't disturb the seasoning.

I take my cast iron skillets directly off the heat and run them in hot
water with a un-soaped dishrag. It's a poor method, and I don't
recommend it.
However, it's worked for me for 35 years on skillets that were at least
20 years old when I inherited them. They probably don't make them like
that anymore.
I use soap on all my other pots and pans.
Oh! Electric burners may make the difference between success with my
method and failure. My kitchen's electric.