On 12/19/2022 8:31 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 01:26:29 +0000, S Viemeister
> <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
>
>> On 20/12/2022 00:09, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2022-12-19 5:41 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>>> Gary brings up this airing out the house frequently.  I'm all for
>>>> airing out the house on a nice mild day but I sure as heck wouldn't do
>>>> it if it was only 19 degrees outside.  Besides, Gary lives in a two
>>>> bedroom apartment.  How does that compare to suggesting John shut off
>>>> the the heat and open all the windows in a 2 story house with a
>>>> "finished" basement when it's well below freezing outside?  It doesn't
>>>> make a heck of a lot of sense.
>>>>
>>> Only 19?  That would be a relatively warm winter day here.  Houses get
>>> closed up and sealed up from November to April here. The main source of
>>> fresh air is opening the door to go in and out or opening a kitchen
>>> window when something in the oven is smoking.
>>>
>> 19 degrees Fahrenheit.
>> Below freezing.
>> Not 19C, which isn't cold at all.
>>
> It was 19C in the living room this morning. I used to find that
> comfortable. Having acclimatised to the subtropics, I now find it
> chilly.
>
19c=66f cool but tolerable up north. Here after 4 years I'd turn the
heat on during the day but could sleep under a blanket.

On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 21:13:03 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 12/19/2022 8:31 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 01:26:29 +0000, S Viemeister
>> <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
>>
>>> On 20/12/2022 00:09, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2022-12-19 5:41 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> Gary brings up this airing out the house frequently.  I'm all for
>>>>> airing out the house on a nice mild day but I sure as heck wouldn't do
>>>>> it if it was only 19 degrees outside.  Besides, Gary lives in a two
>>>>> bedroom apartment.  How does that compare to suggesting John shut off
>>>>> the the heat and open all the windows in a 2 story house with a
>>>>> "finished" basement when it's well below freezing outside?  It doesn't
>>>>> make a heck of a lot of sense.
>>>>>
>>>> Only 19?  That would be a relatively warm winter day here.  Houses get
>>>> closed up and sealed up from November to April here. The main source of
>>>> fresh air is opening the door to go in and out or opening a kitchen
>>>> window when something in the oven is smoking.
>>>>
>>> 19 degrees Fahrenheit.
>>> Below freezing.
>>> Not 19C, which isn't cold at all.
>>>
>> It was 19C in the living room this morning. I used to find that
>> comfortable. Having acclimatised to the subtropics, I now find it
>> chilly.
>>
>19c=66f cool but tolerable up north. Here after 4 years I'd turn the
>heat on during the day but could sleep under a blanket.

I won't turn on the heat, also knowing that it's only getting warmer
automatically, but I know what you mean.

--
Bruce
<https://emalm.com/?v=SQqZJ>

On 2022-12-19 6:31 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2022-12-19 7:12 p.m., Graham wrote:
>> On 2022-12-19 5:09 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> Only 19?  That would be a relatively warm winter day here.  Houses
>>> get closed up and sealed up from November to April here. The main
>>> source of fresh air is opening the door to go in and out or opening a
>>> kitchen window when something in the oven is smoking.
>>>
>>>
>> Certainly would be warm here. -34C tonight and a windchill of -43C.
>
>
> You have my sympathies. Years ago I went job hunting out in Winnipeg in
> early December. I am glad I picked that time of year to look  instead of
> moving out in the warm weather and discovering too late how cold it is
> out there.  -40 Fis not just 40 degrees colder than our worst cold
> snaps. It is a while new dimension of cold.
>
Driving home from the Okanagan today, the temp out there was -20C but
for about the last third of the journey it was -27C.

On 2022-12-20, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On 2022-12-19 5:41 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 12/19/2022 10:11 AM, bob wrote:
>
>>> Did you tell him that you live alone with rarely a visitor.  Sounds
>>> liike an old wives tale .. like airing out your sheets to get rid them
>>> of body heat.
>>>
>> Gary brings up this airing out the house frequently.  I'm all for airing
>> out the house on a nice mild day but I sure as heck wouldn't do it if it
>> was only 19 degrees outside.  Besides, Gary lives in a two bedroom
>> apartment.  How does that compare to suggesting John shut off the the
>> heat and open all the windows in a 2 story house with a "finished"
>> basement when it's well below freezing outside?  It doesn't make a heck
>> of a lot of sense.
>>
>
> Only 19? That would be a relatively warm winter day here. Houses get
> closed up and sealed up from November to April here. The main source of
> fresh air is opening the door to go in and out or opening a kitchen
> window when something in the oven is smoking.

Every time I turn on the bathroom or kitchen exhaust fan, fresh
air is pulled in from the outdoors. Or else my house would implode.

If I had a conventional furnace, air would be pulled in to replace
losses up the chimney. However, my high-efficiency furnace has
an intake as well as an exhaust, so that's a wash.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 2022-12-20, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
> On 12/19/2022 20:40, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2022-12-19 8:26 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>>> On 20/12/2022 00:09, Dave Smith wrote:
>> oesn't make a heck of a lot of sense.
>>>>>
>>>> Only 19? That would be a relatively warm winter day here. Houses
>>>> get closed up and sealed up from November to April here. The main
>>>> source of fresh air is opening the door to go in and out or opening a
>>>> kitchen window when something in the oven is smoking.
>>>>
>>> 19 degrees Fahrenheit.
>>> Below freezing.
>>> Not 19C, which isn't cold at all.
>>
>> Yes, I was aware it was 19F. In the middle of our winter that would be
>> relatively warm. At 19 C we would definitely have the windows open.
>
> I suppose that you just get used to your climate, to some extent. I
> would prefer Gary or Jill's climate. I'd rather die than live with the
> temperatures that Graham deals with.

Really? Die? But you have so much to live for.

> 19 Centigrade roughly equals 66 Fahrenheit... that is chilly, to me. No
> way would I have my windows open on a day under 70-some out. It's about
> 60 inside of my house now, and I keep my shoes on and bundle up. I'm
> eagerly awaiting 80+ summer temps... I suppose that I have a long wait.

Here, comfort yourself with some quotable quotes on the subject of
winter:

https://www.boredpanda.com/winter-quotes

--
Cindy Hamilton

On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 4:59:15 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2022-12-20, Michael Trew <michae...@att.net> wrote:
> > On 12/19/2022 20:40, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2022-12-19 8:26 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
> >>> On 20/12/2022 00:09, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> oesn't make a heck of a lot of sense.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Only 19? That would be a relatively warm winter day here. Houses
> >>>> get closed up and sealed up from November to April here. The main
> >>>> source of fresh air is opening the door to go in and out or opening a
> >>>> kitchen window when something in the oven is smoking.
> >>>>
> >>> 19 degrees Fahrenheit.
> >>> Below freezing.
> >>> Not 19C, which isn't cold at all.
> >>
> >> Yes, I was aware it was 19F. In the middle of our winter that would be
> >> relatively warm. At 19 C we would definitely have the windows open.
> >
> > I suppose that you just get used to your climate, to some extent. I
> > would prefer Gary or Jill's climate. I'd rather die than live with the
> > temperatures that Graham deals with.
> Really? Die? But you have so much to live for.
> > 19 Centigrade roughly equals 66 Fahrenheit... that is chilly, to me. No
> > way would I have my windows open on a day under 70-some out. It's about
> > 60 inside of my house now, and I keep my shoes on and bundle up. I'm
> > eagerly awaiting 80+ summer temps... I suppose that I have a long wait.
> Here, comfort yourself with some quotable quotes on the subject of
> winter:
>
> https://www.boredpanda.com/winter-quotes
>
https://apilgriminnarnia.com/2014/11/04/the-meadow-mouse/
>
> --
> Cindy Hamilton

--Bryan

On 2022-12-20 1:06 a.m., Graham wrote:
> On 2022-12-19 6:31 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2022-12-19 7:12 p.m., Graham wrote:

>> You have my sympathies. Years ago I went job hunting out in Winnipeg
>> in early December. I am glad I picked that time of year to look
>> instead of moving out in the warm weather and discovering too late how
>> cold it is out there.  -40 Fis not just 40 degrees colder than our
>> worst cold snaps. It is a while new dimension of cold.
>>
> Driving home from the Okanagan today, the temp out there was -20C but
> for about the last third of the journey it was -27C.

I have been hearing about the weather in BC. It must be a real shock to
the people in Vancouver and Victoria to deal with minus double digits.
The times I have been out that way in winter it was cool and rainy.

On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 7:58:28 AM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2022-12-20 1:06 a.m., Graham wrote:
> > On 2022-12-19 6:31 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2022-12-19 7:12 p.m., Graham wrote:
>
> >> You have my sympathies. Years ago I went job hunting out in Winnipeg
> >> in early December. I am glad I picked that time of year to look
> >> instead of moving out in the warm weather and discovering too late how
> >> cold it is out there. -40 Fis not just 40 degrees colder than our
> >> worst cold snaps. It is a while new dimension of cold.
> >>
> > Driving home from the Okanagan today, the temp out there was -20C but
> > for about the last third of the journey it was -27C.
> I have been hearing about the weather in BC. It must be a real shock to
> the people in Vancouver and Victoria to deal with minus double digits.
> The times I have been out that way in winter it was cool and rainy.
>
Here in StL, it's going from about 2C to
minus 21C in less than 24 hours.

--Bryan

jmcquown wrote:
> Gary brings up this airing out the house frequently.  I'm all for airing
> out the house on a nice mild day but I sure as heck wouldn't do it if it
> was only 19 degrees outside.

If you're all for airing out the house, Jill, why limit yourself to mild
days? It's about the fresh air for a few minutes. Just dress for it.

And don't complain that I trimmed the other quoted responses. I'm only
responding to your baby princess comment.

It's mid 30's outside right now.
My windows have been open for 2+ hours this morning
and my living room temp is 62.
I have new ocean air once again.

Time to close the windows and turn the heat back on. Takes about 10
minutes to bring it back to normal temp.

On 12/20/2022 9:54 AM, Gary wrote:

>
> It's mid 30's outside right now.
> My windows have been open for 2+ hours this morning
>  and my living room temp is 62.
> I have new ocean air once again.
>
> Time to close the windows and turn the heat back on. Takes about 10
> minutes to bring it back to normal temp.
>

2 hours? No way would I do it more than about 10 minutes.

On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 9:06:48 AM UTC-6, GM wrote:
> Gary wrote:
>
> > jmcquown wrote:
> > > Gary brings up this airing out the house frequently. I'm all for airing
> > > out the house on a nice mild day but I sure as heck wouldn't do it if it
> > > was only 19 degrees outside.
> > If you're all for airing out the house, Jill, why limit yourself to mild
> > days? It's about the fresh air for a few minutes. Just dress for it.
> >
> > And don't complain that I trimmed the other quoted responses. I'm only
> > responding to your baby princess comment.
> Spinster Jill is the "Miss Havisham" of Dataw Golf Club Estates, she locks herself away in the gloom,
> bitterly recounting "What might have been...":
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Havisham
>
> "Miss Havisham is a character in the Charles Dickens novel Great Expectations (1861). She is a wealthy
> spinster, once jilted at the altar, who insists on wearing her wedding dress for the rest of her life. She
> lives in a ruined mansion. Dickens describes her as looking like "the witch of the place"...
>
> Although she has often been portrayed in film versions as very elderly, Dickens's own notes indicate
> that she is only in her mid-thirties at the start of the novel. However, it is indicated in the novel that
> her long seclusion without sunlight has aged her. She is one of the most gothic characters in the
> work of Dickens...
>
> She inherited most of her father's fortune and fell in love with a man named Compeyson, who
> conspired to swindle her of her riches. Her cousin, Matthew Pocket, warned her
> to be careful, but she was too much in love to listen. On the wedding day, while she was dressing,
> Miss Havisham received a letter from Compeyson and realised he had defrauded her and she
> had been left at the altar...
>
> Humiliated and heartbroken, Miss Havisham suffered a mental breakdown and remained alone in
> her decaying mansion Satis House – never removing her wedding dress, wearing only one shoe,
> leaving the wedding breakfast and cake uneaten on the table, and allowing only a few people
> to see her. She also had the clocks in her mansion stopped at twenty minutes to nine: the
> exact time when she had received Compeyson's letter..."
>
"Never removing her wedding dress"???
Not even to bathe?
>
**********
Winter went to investigate while Ian started frying, and when she came back to the kitchen she said, "Mermaids, and she's got the pitcher on the coffee table. At this rate, she'll be on it herself, wearing the lampshade, before we even get to dinner, much less the movie."
"I really couldn't have mixed those drinks much lighter. There has to be some placebo
going on. You can go back in there with her while I finish up."
..
"With the mermaids? No thanks. I'd rather stay and finish the cooking."
..
"Cool," said Ian, taking her at her word. "Call us when it's ready."
..
To Ian, Ann didn't seem drunk. She wasn't slurring words or seeming
uncoordinated. She was just uninhibited and goofy happy. "Ian, the
best part is the opening credits." Ann replayed the opening, singing
along in a cute voice that made Ian want to hug her as he laughed, but
he restrained himself. When Winter yelled that the food was ready,
they turned off the TV and returned the disc to its home.
..
Winter had removed the pizza from the oven several minutes earlier,
and had left the most recently fried raviolis in the kitchen. She was
protecting the others from burning themselves. Her parents always
did that because Eric had little self-control when it came to pizza.
"So, Ian, it looks like you have a mermaid friend."
..
Ann asked Winter, "You remember that first day, when I thought my
feet would be stinky?"
..
"I remember."
..
"Well," now Ann *was* sounding tipsy, "it occurred to me that those
mermaids must have horribly stinky feet because every time they go
to wash them, they get tails instead, so they never actually get
washed feet."
..
"It's not just feet, Ann," said Winter. "They can't wash any lower body
parts. Another thing, when they turn into mermaids, where do their
clothes go? Then when they turn back, the clothes come back. That
part is really implausible. It ruins the show for me." Ian was trying to
laugh as soundlessly as possible so as not to drown out the wacky
banter. "You know, Ann, all this talk about unwashed female bodies
has probably got Ian all hot and bothered again."
..
Now Ian lost it, partly because he had been having thoughts along
those lines. "Stop, Winter. It hurts."
..
"Then go ahead and adjust it. We understand."
**********

--Bryan

On 2022-12-20 10:15 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/20/2022 9:54 AM, Gary wrote:
>
>>
>> It's mid 30's outside right now.
>> My windows have been open for 2+ hours this morning
>>   and my living room temp is 62.
>> I have new ocean air once again.
>>
>> Time to close the windows and turn the heat back on. Takes about 10
>> minutes to bring it back to normal temp.
>>
>
> 2 hours?  No way would I do it more than about 10 minutes.
>

I remember what it was like when I was staying at y friend's place in
Winnipeg when it was -40C/-40F same temp. I was sitting in the living
room at the front of the house and he would open up the door to let his
dog out. You could feel an immediate drop in the temperature inside.
His thermostat was set a little over 70F, so difference in temperature
between inside the house and outside was 110 degrees.

When my son went out to Saskatoon to visit his girlfriend and meet her
family I warned him about the cold. He called the first day and said it
wasn't as cold as I had told him it would be. He called the next day to
report that the temperature had plummeted. He had gone out to the
garage for a cigarette and when he had s swig of beer it froze in the neck.

On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 8:54:31 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
> > Gary brings up this airing out the house frequently. I'm all for airing
> > out the house on a nice mild day but I sure as heck wouldn't do it if it
> > was only 19 degrees outside.
> If you're all for airing out the house, Jill, why limit yourself to mild
> days? It's about the fresh air for a few minutes. Just dress for it.
>
> And don't complain that I trimmed the other quoted responses. I'm only
> responding to your baby princess comment.
>
> It's mid 30's outside right now.
> My windows have been open for 2+ hours this morning
> and my living room temp is 62.
> I have new ocean air once again.
>
> Time to close the windows and turn the heat back on. Takes about 10
> minutes to bring it back to normal temp.

All the comfort of San Francisco urban campers.

On 12/20/2022 10:15, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/20/2022 9:54 AM, Gary wrote:
>
>> It's mid 30's outside right now.
>> My windows have been open for 2+ hours this morning
>> and my living room temp is 62.
>> I have new ocean air once again.
>>
>> Time to close the windows and turn the heat back on. Takes about 10
>> minutes to bring it back to normal temp.
>
> 2 hours? No way would I do it more than about 10 minutes.

If I lived on the more mild beach climate, I'd be tempted to leave my
windows open for a bit. The humidity makes that mid-30's feel a bit
warmer than it is. Still, it wouldn't be anywhere near as long as 2
hours open. Here, below freezing is just bitter... door is open only as
long as absolutely necessary.

On 12/20/2022 5:59, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2022-12-20, Michael Trew<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
>> On 12/19/2022 20:40, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, I was aware it was 19F. In the middle of our winter that would be
>>> relatively warm. At 19 C we would definitely have the windows open.
>>
>> I suppose that you just get used to your climate, to some extent. I
>> would prefer Gary or Jill's climate. I'd rather die than live with the
>> temperatures that Graham deals with.
>
> Really? Die? But you have so much to live for.

Perhaps that was a bit of an exaggeration. Maybe I'd have some level of
tolerance for that temperature, if I didn't have to leave the house, and
my house wasn't drafty. I couldn't go far, anyway... I doubt that any
of my cars would start in that weather, either way.

On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 3:49:45 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> And I have not seen that bird in my house this AM!
>
> John Kuthe...

My wife said that the living room today was "freezing." It's probably around 73 degrees - not freezing but certainly brisk!
Yesterday, we were at the pier. I took a few pictures and a few minutes later, the rain and high winds came. It lasted for about 5 minutes. When it stopped, I thought it would be a good idea to get the hell out of Dodge. On the way back, there was a branch laying on the road. The guy in front of us got out and moved it. Thanks guy! There was also a couple of telephone poles that looked like they were about ready to fall over. How exciting is that?

https://photos.app.goo.gl/cWDNwXGUgH6oncMa7

On 12/20/2022 4:15 PM, Michael Trew wrote:

>
> Perhaps that was a bit of an exaggeration.  Maybe I'd have some level of
> tolerance for that temperature, if I didn't have to leave the house, and
> my house wasn't drafty.  I couldn't go far, anyway... I doubt that any
> of my cars would start in that weather, either way.

There are ways around that. Many years ago we had a colder than usual
week in Philadelphia. I took the battery into the house at night so the
car would start in the AM.