I make blueberry pancakes every couple of weeks. Next time, I want
these blueberries. Should be more enjoyable.

https://imgur.com/gallery/RPgsa17

On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 21:30:42 -0500
Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

> I make blueberry pancakes every couple of weeks. Next time, I want
> these blueberries. Should be more enjoyable.
>
> https://imgur.com/gallery/RPgsa17

A cheap trick at $1.25...ah deflation...

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On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 8:30:48 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:
> I make blueberry pancakes every couple of weeks. Next time, I want
> these blueberries. Should be more enjoyable.
>
> https://imgur.com/gallery/RPgsa17
>
Blueberry prices are up and going higher.
https://east-fruit.com/en/news/blueberry-collapse-in-peru-analyzing-market-impact-and-consequences/

--Bryan

On 2023-11-14, Bryan Simmons wrote:

> Blueberry prices are up and going higher.

Sadly true. I've really pretty much stoped
buying blueberries for about a year.

When kids, we would crawl around in the
wild blueberries browsing like animals
when the bunches were fist-sized.

(Admittedly kid-sized fists, but still.)

On 11/14/2023 9:57 AM, Mike Duffy wrote:
> On 2023-11-14, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>
>> Blueberry prices are up and going higher.
>
> Sadly true. I've really pretty much stoped
> buying blueberries for about a year.
>
> When kids, we would crawl around in the
> wild blueberries browsing like animals
> when the bunches were fist-sized.
>
> (Admittedly kid-sized fists, but still.)
>
>

But were they Orgasmic like the one at Walmart?

Last June when visiting my friends in NJ we went to Hammonton, the self
proclaimed blueberry capitol of the world. Nifty blueberry drinks at a
distillery there.

At home, I bought some berries and the sticker said they were from NJ.
Next batch I bought was from MI. Last batch about a week ago was from
Peru. Never thought of Peru as a supplier.

On 2023-11-14 8:44 a.m., Ed P wrote:
> On 11/14/2023 9:57 AM, Mike Duffy wrote:
>> On 2023-11-14, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>>
>>> Blueberry prices are up and going higher.
>>
>> Sadly true. I've really pretty much stoped
>> buying blueberries for about a year.
>>
>> When kids, we would crawl around in the
>> wild blueberries browsing like animals
>> when the bunches were fist-sized.
>>
>> (Admittedly kid-sized fists, but still.)
>>
>>
>
> But were they Orgasmic like the one at Walmart?
>
> Last June when visiting my friends in NJ we went to Hammonton, the self
> proclaimed blueberry capitol of the world.  Nifty blueberry drinks at a
> distillery there.
>
> At home, I bought some berries and the sticker said they were from NJ.
> Next batch I bought was from MI.  Last batch about a week ago was from
> Peru.  Never thought of Peru as a supplier.

Where did you think they came from in the middle of winter?

In July, I buy and freeze about 35lbs of BC blueberries. I have a
handful on my breakfast cereal every morning.

On 11/14/2023 10:50 AM, Graham wrote:
> On 2023-11-14 8:44 a.m., Ed P wrote:
>> On 11/14/2023 9:57 AM, Mike Duffy wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-14, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>>>
>>>> Blueberry prices are up and going higher.
>>>
>>> Sadly true. I've really pretty much stoped
>>> buying blueberries for about a year.
>>>
>>> When kids, we would crawl around in the
>>> wild blueberries browsing like animals
>>> when the bunches were fist-sized.
>>>
>>> (Admittedly kid-sized fists, but still.)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> But were they Orgasmic like the one at Walmart?
>>
>> Last June when visiting my friends in NJ we went to Hammonton, the
>> self proclaimed blueberry capitol of the world.  Nifty blueberry
>> drinks at a distillery there.
>>
>> At home, I bought some berries and the sticker said they were from NJ.
>> Next batch I bought was from MI.  Last batch about a week ago was from
>> Peru.  Never thought of Peru as a supplier.
>
> Where did you think they came from in the middle of winter?
>
> In July, I buy and freeze about 35lbs of BC blueberries. I have a
> handful on my breakfast cereal every morning.

Not winter yet. Lots of produce in winter comes from southern states,
Mexico, etc.

On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 9:54:12 AM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:
> On 11/14/2023 10:50 AM, Graham wrote:
> > On 2023-11-14 8:44 a.m., Ed P wrote:
> >> On 11/14/2023 9:57 AM, Mike Duffy wrote:
> >>> On 2023-11-14, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Blueberry prices are up and going higher.
> >>>
> >>> Sadly true. I've really pretty much stoped
> >>> buying blueberries for about a year.
> >>>
> >>> When kids, we would crawl around in the
> >>> wild blueberries browsing like animals
> >>> when the bunches were fist-sized.
> >>>
> >>> (Admittedly kid-sized fists, but still.)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> But were they Orgasmic like the one at Walmart?
> >>
> >> Last June when visiting my friends in NJ we went to Hammonton, the
> >> self proclaimed blueberry capitol of the world. Nifty blueberry
> >> drinks at a distillery there.
> >>
> >> At home, I bought some berries and the sticker said they were from NJ.
> >> Next batch I bought was from MI. Last batch about a week ago was from
> >> Peru. Never thought of Peru as a supplier.
> >
> > Where did you think they came from in the middle of winter?
> >
> > In July, I buy and freeze about 35lbs of BC blueberries. I have a
> > handful on my breakfast cereal every morning.
> Not winter yet. Lots of produce in winter comes from southern states,
> Mexico, etc.

In the middle of winter I see Canadian - grown tomatoes, cukes, greenhouse - grown; Canada has a vigorous greenhouse produce industry...

www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2016/06/16/473526920/how-canada-became-a-greenhouse-superpower

"How Canada Became A Greenhouse Superpower

Our cold-weather neighbor sends us more tomatoes, peppers and cucumbers than we send the other way. Despite all the vegetable fields of California and Florida...

I drove across the Ambassador Bridge from Detroit into Canada and headed southeast toward the city of Leamington...

It was a chilly, slate-gray day in spring. But within an hour I started seeing the vegetable fields. They were indoors. Plants were flourishing inside vast see-through structures made of glass or plastic. Some of the greenhouses covered 50 acres; that's an area bigger than 30 football fields...

This is the main reason why Canada sends us so many tomatoes. It's the biggest concentration of greenhouses in North America...

"The Leamington area probably has about 1,500 acres of greenhouse production," says Paul Mastronardi, CEO of Mastronardi Produce Sunset Grown, a big vegetable grower here..."

--
GM

On 2023-11-14 9:57 a.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
> On 2023-11-14, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>
>> Blueberry prices are up and going higher.
>
> Sadly true. I've really pretty much stoped
> buying blueberries for about a year.
>
> When kids, we would crawl around in the
> wild blueberries browsing like animals
> when the bunches were fist-sized.
>
> (Admittedly kid-sized fists, but still.)

Wild blueberries always were pricey. The farmed variety are a heck of a
lot cheaper, and definitely cheaper than raspberries around here. My
wife loves wold blue berries, even the frozen Canadian wild ones and has
some almost every day but she won't eat the farmed berries. They
reinforce my theory about berries each having s certain amount of
taste, so the small ones are full of flavour, but the large ones have
the same total amount of flavour spread throughout the larger fruit so
they taste bland in comparison.

On 2023-11-14 8:54 a.m., Ed P wrote:
> On 11/14/2023 10:50 AM, Graham wrote:
>> On 2023-11-14 8:44 a.m., Ed P wrote:
>>> On 11/14/2023 9:57 AM, Mike Duffy wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-14, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Blueberry prices are up and going higher.
>>>>
>>>> Sadly true. I've really pretty much stoped
>>>> buying blueberries for about a year.
>>>>
>>>> When kids, we would crawl around in the
>>>> wild blueberries browsing like animals
>>>> when the bunches were fist-sized.
>>>>
>>>> (Admittedly kid-sized fists, but still.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> But were they Orgasmic like the one at Walmart?
>>>
>>> Last June when visiting my friends in NJ we went to Hammonton, the
>>> self proclaimed blueberry capitol of the world.  Nifty blueberry
>>> drinks at a distillery there.
>>>
>>> At home, I bought some berries and the sticker said they were from
>>> NJ. Next batch I bought was from MI.  Last batch about a week ago was
>>> from Peru.  Never thought of Peru as a supplier.
>>
>> Where did you think they came from in the middle of winter?
>>
>> In July, I buy and freeze about 35lbs of BC blueberries. I have a
>> handful on my breakfast cereal every morning.
>
> Not winter yet.
Really? I wonder what the snow on my lawn signifies:-)

On 2023-11-14 9:57 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2023-11-14 9:57 a.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
>> On 2023-11-14, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>>
>>> Blueberry prices are up and going higher.
>>
>> Sadly true. I've really pretty much stoped
>> buying blueberries for about a year.
>>
>> When kids, we would crawl around in the
>> wild blueberries browsing like animals
>> when the bunches were fist-sized.
>>
>> (Admittedly kid-sized fists, but still.)
>
> Wild blueberries always were pricey. The farmed variety are a heck of a
> lot cheaper, and definitely cheaper than raspberries around here. My
> wife loves wold blue berries, even the frozen Canadian wild ones and has
> some almost every day but she won't eat the farmed berries.  They
> reinforce my theory about berries  each having s certain amount of
> taste, so the small ones are full of flavour, but the large ones have
> the same total amount of flavour spread throughout the larger fruit so
> they taste bland in comparison.
>
The same could be said of strawberries.

On 11/14/2023 1:14 PM, Graham wrote:
> On 2023-11-14 8:54 a.m., Ed P wrote:
>> On 11/14/2023 10:50 AM, Graham wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-14 8:44 a.m., Ed P wrote:
>>>> On 11/14/2023 9:57 AM, Mike Duffy wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-11-14, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Blueberry prices are up and going higher.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sadly true. I've really pretty much stoped
>>>>> buying blueberries for about a year.
>>>>>
>>>>> When kids, we would crawl around in the
>>>>> wild blueberries browsing like animals
>>>>> when the bunches were fist-sized.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Admittedly kid-sized fists, but still.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But were they Orgasmic like the one at Walmart?
>>>>
>>>> Last June when visiting my friends in NJ we went to Hammonton, the
>>>> self proclaimed blueberry capitol of the world.  Nifty blueberry
>>>> drinks at a distillery there.
>>>>
>>>> At home, I bought some berries and the sticker said they were from
>>>> NJ. Next batch I bought was from MI.  Last batch about a week ago
>>>> was from Peru.  Never thought of Peru as a supplier.
>>>
>>> Where did you think they came from in the middle of winter?
>>>
>>> In July, I buy and freeze about 35lbs of BC blueberries. I have a
>>> handful on my breakfast cereal every morning.
>>
>> Not winter yet.
> Really? I wonder what the snow on my lawn signifies:-)

Cold weather. Not winter.

On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 11:14:51 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

>On 2023-11-14 8:54 a.m., Ed P wrote:
>> On 11/14/2023 10:50 AM, Graham wrote:
>>>
>>> Where did you think they came from in the middle of winter?
>>>
>>> In July, I buy and freeze about 35lbs of BC blueberries. I have a
>>> handful on my breakfast cereal every morning.
>>
>> Not winter yet.
>Really? I wonder what the snow on my lawn signifies:-)

That you're in Canada.

On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 11:15:50 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

>On 2023-11-14 9:57 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2023-11-14 9:57 a.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-14, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>>>
>>>> Blueberry prices are up and going higher.
>>>
>>> Sadly true. I've really pretty much stoped
>>> buying blueberries for about a year.
>>>
>>> When kids, we would crawl around in the
>>> wild blueberries browsing like animals
>>> when the bunches were fist-sized.
>>>
>>> (Admittedly kid-sized fists, but still.)
>>
>> Wild blueberries always were pricey. The farmed variety are a heck of a
>> lot cheaper, and definitely cheaper than raspberries around here. My
>> wife loves wold blue berries, even the frozen Canadian wild ones and has
>> some almost every day but she won't eat the farmed berries.  They
>> reinforce my theory about berries  each having s certain amount of
>> taste, so the small ones are full of flavour, but the large ones have
>> the same total amount of flavour spread throughout the larger fruit so
>> they taste bland in comparison.
>>
>The same could be said of strawberries.

Ah, the little pesticide bombs.

On 2023-11-14 1:15 p.m., Graham wrote:
> On 2023-11-14 9:57 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2023-11-14 9:57 a.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-14, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>>>
>>>> Blueberry prices are up and going higher.
>>>
>>> Sadly true. I've really pretty much stoped
>>> buying blueberries for about a year.
>>>
>>> When kids, we would crawl around in the
>>> wild blueberries browsing like animals
>>> when the bunches were fist-sized.
>>>
>>> (Admittedly kid-sized fists, but still.)
>>
>> Wild blueberries always were pricey. The farmed variety are a heck of
>> a lot cheaper, and definitely cheaper than raspberries around here. My
>> wife loves wold blue berries, even the frozen Canadian wild ones and
>> has some almost every day but she won't eat the farmed berries.  They
>> reinforce my theory about berries  each having s certain amount of
>> taste, so the small ones are full of flavour, but the large ones have
>> the same total amount of flavour spread throughout the larger fruit so
>> they taste bland in comparison.
>>
> The same could be said of strawberries.
>

Strawberries, raspberries, cherries, peaches, apricots....

On 2023-11-14 1:25 p.m., Ed P wrote:
> On 11/14/2023 1:14 PM, Graham wrote:

>>>> In July, I buy and freeze about 35lbs of BC blueberries. I have a
>>>> handful on my breakfast cereal every morning.
>>>
>>> Not winter yet.
>> Really? I wonder what the snow on my lawn signifies:-)
>
>
> Cold weather.  Not winter.

Unless it is a freak weather pattern cold and snow is winter. I passed
through Graham's area a few years ago when flying to the east coast and
back. It was a cool November Day when I left Hamilton but after less
than an hour on the plane everything below was snow covered. It had
been in Edmonton and it was below freezing outside. On the way back we
stopped in Calgary, which is a couple hundred miles south of Edmonton,
and it was just as cold and snowy there. Victoria had fall weather and
when I got back to Hamilton it was fall, but Edmonton and Calgary were
definitely winter.

On a related note, back in the mid 70s I went out to Winnipeg to look
for work. I got off the plane on Dec.6, which is still officially fall,
but it was -40. F or C, it is the same.

On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 08:22:08 -0800 (PST)
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> Canada has a vigorous greenhouse produce industry...

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On 2023-11-14, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On 2023-11-14 1:25 p.m., Ed P wrote:
>> On 11/14/2023 1:14 PM, Graham wrote:
>
>>>>> In July, I buy and freeze about 35lbs of BC blueberries. I have a
>>>>> handful on my breakfast cereal every morning.
>>>>
>>>> Not winter yet.
>>> Really? I wonder what the snow on my lawn signifies:-)
>>
>>
>> Cold weather.  Not winter.
>
>
> Unless it is a freak weather pattern cold and snow is winter.

Meterological winter in the Northern Hemisphere starts December 1.
Before then, it's just autumn.

Back before climate change, we were pretty much guaranteed several
inches of snow on the ground by U.S. Thanksgiving. This year, I don't
think I'll be able to use God's Own Refrigerator to chill the
turkey carcass after the meal.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 2023-11-14 4:53 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2023-11-14, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>>> Cold weather.  Not winter.
>>
>>
>> Unless it is a freak weather pattern cold and snow is winter.
>
> Meterological winter in the Northern Hemisphere starts December 1.
> Before then, it's just autumn.
>
> Back before climate change, we were pretty much guaranteed several
> inches of snow on the ground by U.S. Thanksgiving. This year, I don't
> think I'll be able to use God's Own Refrigerator to chill the
> turkey carcass after the meal.
>

When was before climate change? The glaciers from the last ice age ended
right about where my house is. It has been warming and the ice cap has
been moving back for about 15,000 years. Some places have had higher
temperatures. I haven't really noticed that here. Last winter may not
have been quite as cold as previous winters but it certainly was a long
one. About 8 years ago my friend and I went for a ride around the
Niagara Peninsula on Dec. 4 and a month and a half later we rode about
30 miles to Niagara on the Lake for lunch. Last year we put out bikes
away mid October.

On 2023-11-14, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On 2023-11-14 4:53 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2023-11-14, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>>> Cold weather.  Not winter.
>>>
>>>
>>> Unless it is a freak weather pattern cold and snow is winter.
>>
>> Meterological winter in the Northern Hemisphere starts December 1.
>> Before then, it's just autumn.
>>
>> Back before climate change, we were pretty much guaranteed several
>> inches of snow on the ground by U.S. Thanksgiving. This year, I don't
>> think I'll be able to use God's Own Refrigerator to chill the
>> turkey carcass after the meal.
>>
>
> When was before climate change? The glaciers from the last ice age ended
> right about where my house is. It has been warming and the ice cap has
> been moving back for about 15,000 years.

When I was a kid. I'm older than you think.

--
Cindy Hamilton

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2023-11-14 1:25 p.m., Ed P wrote:
> > On 11/14/2023 1:14 PM, Graham wrote:
>
> > > > > In July, I buy and freeze about 35lbs of BC blueberries. I
> > > > > have a handful on my breakfast cereal every morning.
> > > >
> > > > Not winter yet.
> > > Really? I wonder what the snow on my lawn signifies:-)
> >
> >
> > Cold weather.  Not winter.
>
>
> Unless it is a freak weather pattern cold and snow is winter. I
> passed through Graham's area a few years ago when flying to the east
> coast and back. It was a cool November Day when I left Hamilton but
> after less than an hour on the plane everything below was snow
> covered. It had been in Edmonton and it was below freezing outside.
> On the way back we stopped in Calgary, which is a couple hundred
> miles south of Edmonton, and it was just as cold and snowy there.
> Victoria had fall weather and when I got back to Hamilton it was
> fall, but Edmonton and Calgary were definitely winter.
>
> On a related note, back in the mid 70s I went out to Winnipeg to look
> for work. I got off the plane on Dec.6, which is still officially
> fall, but it was -40. F or C, it is the same.

I suspect others are just referencing offical date which is 1Dec.
Reality is People look at as when snow starts and pretty much stays
around. You effectively have longer winters than I do.

For me, 1DEC may 'technically' be winter but effectively ours usually
'feels like winter' from the last week of Dec to mid-March. It we get
any snow at all, it's likely in Jan/Feb.

On 2023-11-14 6:07 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:

>> On a related note, back in the mid 70s I went out to Winnipeg to look
>> for work. I got off the plane on Dec.6, which is still officially
>> fall, but it was -40. F or C, it is the same.
>
> I suspect others are just referencing offical date which is 1Dec.
> Reality is People look at as when snow starts and pretty much stays
> around. You effectively have longer winters than I do.

Tell me about it. I am one of the few Canadians who had not been south
for a winter vacation until just a few years ago. When we left here it
was below freezing. It was below freezing across PA and snowing in West
Virginia. By the time we stopped in Wytheville PA is was time to ditch
the winter coats.
>
> For me, 1DEC may 'technically' be winter but effectively ours usually
> 'feels like winter' from the last week of Dec to mid-March. It we get
> any snow at all, it's likely in Jan/Feb.

Your winter may be like out late fall. It can get pretty raw. Never the
less, we hope for a white Christmas because there is no guarantee.
January and February tend to be cold and miserable and we can get snow
into April.

On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 21:53:50 GMT
Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

> Back before climate change, we were pretty much guaranteed several
> inches of snow on the ground by U.S. Thanksgiving.

When was this time before the climate was in change?

Were you with God at the time?

On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 23:02:01 GMT
Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

> On 2023-11-14, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > On 2023-11-14 4:53 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> On 2023-11-14, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >
> >>>> Cold weather.  Not winter.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Unless it is a freak weather pattern cold and snow is winter.
> >>
> >> Meterological winter in the Northern Hemisphere starts December 1.
> >> Before then, it's just autumn.
> >>
> >> Back before climate change, we were pretty much guaranteed several
> >> inches of snow on the ground by U.S. Thanksgiving. This year, I don't
> >> think I'll be able to use God's Own Refrigerator to chill the
> >> turkey carcass after the meal.
> >>
> >
> > When was before climate change? The glaciers from the last ice age ended
> > right about where my house is. It has been warming and the ice cap has
> > been moving back for about 15,000 years.
>
> When I was a kid. I'm older than you think.
>
> --
> Cindy Hamilton

Was that aeons of kid ago?

On 11/14/2023 6:02 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2023-11-14, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> On 2023-11-14 4:53 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-14, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Cold weather.  Not winter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Unless it is a freak weather pattern cold and snow is winter.
>>>
>>> Meterological winter in the Northern Hemisphere starts December 1.
>>> Before then, it's just autumn.
>>>
>>> Back before climate change, we were pretty much guaranteed several
>>> inches of snow on the ground by U.S. Thanksgiving. This year, I don't
>>> think I'll be able to use God's Own Refrigerator to chill the
>>> turkey carcass after the meal.
>>>
>>
>> When was before climate change? The glaciers from the last ice age ended
>> right about where my house is. It has been warming and the ice cap has
>> been moving back for about 15,000 years.
>
> When I was a kid. I'm older than you think.
>

It snowed someplace today so there is no global warming. Many people
reject what science has shown over the last 100 years and effects of
burning millions of tons of fossil fuel every year.

Right now, there are also 19 active volcanoes around the wrold, much
more than normal.