On 2023-11-14 7:30 p.m., Ed P wrote:
> On 11/14/2023 6:02 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2023-11-14, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-14 4:53 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-14, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Cold weather.  Not winter.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless it is a freak weather pattern cold and snow is winter.
>>>>
>>>> Meterological winter in the Northern Hemisphere starts December 1.
>>>> Before then, it's just autumn.
>>>>
>>>> Back before climate change, we were pretty much guaranteed several
>>>> inches of snow on the ground by U.S. Thanksgiving.  This year, I don't
>>>> think I'll be able to use God's Own Refrigerator to chill the
>>>> turkey carcass after the meal.
>>>>
>>>
>>> When was before climate change? The glaciers from the last ice age ended
>>> right about where my house is. It has been warming and the ice cap has
>>> been moving back for about 15,000 years.
>>
>> When I was a kid.  I'm older than you think.
>>
>
> It snowed someplace today so there is no global warming.  Many people
> reject what science has shown over the last 100 years and effects of
> burning millions of tons of fossil fuel every year.

I never denied climate change. I simply pointed out that at the end of
the last ice age the glaciers where in my back yard and have been
receding every since and that our local weather has not demonstrated a
constant change one way or another.

>
> Right now, there are also 19 active volcanoes around the wrold, much
> more than normal.

It's scary for the people in Iceland these days. My son and DiL picked a
good time to visit. DiL presented a paper at a conference and my son
went along for the ride. Her air fare, hotel and meals were covered. He
only had to pay for his airfare and meals. They got back last Wednesday.
Now there is a volcano threatening to blow at any minute and it's only
about 20 miles from the Reykjavik airport.

On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 19:47:21 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2023-11-14 7:30 p.m., Ed P wrote:
>> On 11/14/2023 6:02 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>> When I was a kid.  I'm older than you think.
>>
>> It snowed someplace today so there is no global warming.  Many people
>> reject what science has shown over the last 100 years and effects of
>> burning millions of tons of fossil fuel every year.
>
>
>I never denied climate change. I simply pointed out that at the end of
>the last ice age the glaciers where in my back yard

Yes Dave, even prehistoric glaciers are about you.

On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 19:30:49 -0500
Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

> On 11/14/2023 6:02 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On 2023-11-14, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >> On 2023-11-14 4:53 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>> On 2023-11-14, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>> Cold weather.  Not winter.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Unless it is a freak weather pattern cold and snow is winter.
> >>>
> >>> Meterological winter in the Northern Hemisphere starts December 1.
> >>> Before then, it's just autumn.
> >>>
> >>> Back before climate change, we were pretty much guaranteed several
> >>> inches of snow on the ground by U.S. Thanksgiving. This year, I don't
> >>> think I'll be able to use God's Own Refrigerator to chill the
> >>> turkey carcass after the meal.
> >>>
> >>
> >> When was before climate change? The glaciers from the last ice age ended
> >> right about where my house is. It has been warming and the ice cap has
> >> been moving back for about 15,000 years.
> >
> > When I was a kid. I'm older than you think.
> >
>
> It snowed someplace today so there is no global warming. Many people
> reject what science has shown over the last 100 years and effects of
> burning millions of tons of fossil fuel every year.

Nature does that all the time, it's called volcanism!

And forest fires and swamp gas, etc..

And yes...as ever...CO2 remains but 3% of our atmospheric gas euation.

Please tell us you don't believe 3% drives the other 97% - please!

> Right now, there are also 19 active volcanoes around the wrold, much
> more than normal.

Correlated causally directly to solar flares and the peak of our sunspot cycle in 2025 duh.

On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 19:47:21 -0500
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> On 2023-11-14 7:30 p.m., Ed P wrote:
> > On 11/14/2023 6:02 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> On 2023-11-14, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >>> On 2023-11-14 4:53 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>>> On 2023-11-14, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>> Cold weather.  Not winter.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Unless it is a freak weather pattern cold and snow is winter.
> >>>>
> >>>> Meterological winter in the Northern Hemisphere starts December 1.
> >>>> Before then, it's just autumn.
> >>>>
> >>>> Back before climate change, we were pretty much guaranteed several
> >>>> inches of snow on the ground by U.S. Thanksgiving.  This year, I don't
> >>>> think I'll be able to use God's Own Refrigerator to chill the
> >>>> turkey carcass after the meal.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> When was before climate change? The glaciers from the last ice age ended
> >>> right about where my house is. It has been warming and the ice cap has
> >>> been moving back for about 15,000 years.
> >>
> >> When I was a kid.  I'm older than you think.
> >>
> >
> > It snowed someplace today so there is no global warming.  Many people
> > reject what science has shown over the last 100 years and effects of
> > burning millions of tons of fossil fuel every year.
>
>
> I never denied climate change. I simply pointed out that at the end of
> the last ice age the glaciers where in my back yard and have been
> receding every since and that our local weather has not demonstrated a
> constant change one way or another.

I think you may like being on the equator after the rapildy approaching pole shift and attendant crustal displacement...

Read some Plato and Solon.

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On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 12:15:56 +1100
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 19:47:21 -0500, Dave Smith
> <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >On 2023-11-14 7:30 p.m., Ed P wrote:
> >> On 11/14/2023 6:02 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>>
> >>> When I was a kid.  I'm older than you think.
> >>
> >> It snowed someplace today so there is no global warming.  Many people
> >> reject what science has shown over the last 100 years and effects of
> >> burning millions of tons of fossil fuel every year.
> >
> >
> >I never denied climate change. I simply pointed out that at the end of
> >the last ice age the glaciers where in my back yard
>
> Yes Dave, even prehistoric glaciers are about you.

You feel he was alive back then, or you just don't care for him noting the historical extent of the Laurentian ice sheet?

Wanna know what happens to Asatrailer after the pole shift?

Lol.

Ever heard of Iluka?

On 2023-11-14 5:30 p.m., Ed P wrote:

>
> Right now, there are also 19 active volcanoes around the wrold, much
> more than normal.

That's nothing to do with climate - changing or not! And that number is
not particularly high either.

On 2023-11-14 4:07 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> On 2023-11-14 1:25 p.m., Ed P wrote:
>>> On 11/14/2023 1:14 PM, Graham wrote:
>>
>>>>>> In July, I buy and freeze about 35lbs of BC blueberries. I
>>>>>> have a handful on my breakfast cereal every morning.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not winter yet.
>>>> Really? I wonder what the snow on my lawn signifies:-)
>>>
>>>
>>> Cold weather.  Not winter.
>>
>>
>> Unless it is a freak weather pattern cold and snow is winter. I
>> passed through Graham's area a few years ago when flying to the east
>> coast and back. It was a cool November Day when I left Hamilton but
>> after less than an hour on the plane everything below was snow
>> covered. It had been in Edmonton and it was below freezing outside.
>> On the way back we stopped in Calgary, which is a couple hundred
>> miles south of Edmonton, and it was just as cold and snowy there.
>> Victoria had fall weather and when I got back to Hamilton it was
>> fall, but Edmonton and Calgary were definitely winter.
>>
>> On a related note, back in the mid 70s I went out to Winnipeg to look
>> for work. I got off the plane on Dec.6, which is still officially
>> fall, but it was -40. F or C, it is the same.
>
> I suspect others are just referencing offical date which is 1Dec.
Another official date is the 1st of November and the traditional
official date is the 22nd of December.
Take your pick!

On 2023-11-15, deltahorse wrote:

> Wanna know what happens to Asatrailer after the pole shift?

The next magnetic pole shift, or the next polar axis shift?

Don't tell me you're 'old school' on that as well.

On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 18:40:13 -0700
Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

> On 2023-11-14 5:30 p.m., Ed P wrote:
>
> >
> > Right now, there are also 19 active volcanoes around the wrold, much
> > more than normal.
>
> That's nothing to do with climate - changing or not! And that number is
> not particularly high either.
>
The number is historically not high, true, it does however have some impact on climate.

Look up the climatic aftermath of Krakatoa (East of Java).

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On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 01:43:57 GMT
Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:

> On 2023-11-15, deltahorse wrote:
>
> > Wanna know what happens to Asatrailer after the pole shift?
>
> The next magnetic pole shift, or the next polar axis shift?

A fair rejoinder, given the 3K - 6K - 12K soalr cycle, it will be BOTH!
> Don't tell me you're 'old school' on that as well.

We're on the apex of the 12K cycle, that's a full on flip, enjoy being dropped over to what used to be S. America's realm soon.

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Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2023-11-14 6:07 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> > Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > > On a related note, back in the mid 70s I went out to Winnipeg to
> > > look for work. I got off the plane on Dec.6, which is still
> > > officially fall, but it was -40. F or C, it is the same.
> >
> > I suspect others are just referencing offical date which is 1Dec.
> > Reality is People look at as when snow starts and pretty much stays
> > around. You effectively have longer winters than I do.
>
> Tell me about it. I am one of the few Canadians who had not been
> south for a winter vacation until just a few years ago. When we left
> here it was below freezing. It was below freezing across PA and
> snowing in West Virginia. By the time we stopped in Wytheville PA is
> was time to ditch the winter coats.
> >
> > For me, 1DEC may 'technically' be winter but effectively ours
> > usually 'feels like winter' from the last week of Dec to mid-March.
> > It we get any snow at all, it's likely in Jan/Feb.
>
> Your winter may be like out late fall. It can get pretty raw. Never
> the less, we hope for a white Christmas because there is no
> guarantee. January and February tend to be cold and miserable and we
> can get snow into April.

Minor coorection, Wytheville is in Virginia, tucked just above North
Carolina in the far western part of the state. It's almost even with
Virginia Beach along the eastern coast. My Mom settled there until she
passed away at almost 89.

What had you decide on Wytheville?

Graham wrote:

> On 2023-11-14 4:07 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> > Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > > On 2023-11-14 1:25 p.m., Ed P wrote:
> > > > On 11/14/2023 1:14 PM, Graham wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > In July, I buy and freeze about 35lbs of BC blueberries. I
> > > > > > > have a handful on my breakfast cereal every morning.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Not winter yet.
> > > > > Really? I wonder what the snow on my lawn signifies:-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cold weather.  Not winter.
> > >
> > >
> > > Unless it is a freak weather pattern cold and snow is winter. I
> > > passed through Graham's area a few years ago when flying to the
> > > east coast and back. It was a cool November Day when I left
> > > Hamilton but after less than an hour on the plane everything
> > > below was snow covered. It had been in Edmonton and it was below
> > > freezing outside. On the way back we stopped in Calgary, which
> > > is a couple hundred miles south of Edmonton, and it was just as
> > > cold and snowy there. Victoria had fall weather and when I got
> > > back to Hamilton it was fall, but Edmonton and Calgary were
> > > definitely winter.
> > >
> > > On a related note, back in the mid 70s I went out to Winnipeg to
> > > look for work. I got off the plane on Dec.6, which is still
> > > officially fall, but it was -40. F or C, it is the same.
> >
> > I suspect others are just referencing offical date which is 1Dec.
> Another official date is the 1st of November and the traditional
> official date is the 22nd of December. Take your pick!

Humm, google and bing say 1Dec.

On 2023-11-15 3:52 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:

>> Your winter may be like out late fall. It can get pretty raw. Never
>> the less, we hope for a white Christmas because there is no
>> guarantee. January and February tend to be cold and miserable and we
>> can get snow into April.
>
> Minor coorection, Wytheville is in Virginia, tucked just above North
> Carolina in the far western part of the state. It's almost even with
> Virginia Beach along the eastern coast. My Mom settled there until she
> passed away at almost 89.
>
> What had you decide on Wytheville?

A group of about 20 of us were headed to Tybee Island for a winter
kayaking vacation. One of the women in the group planned it and made the
arrangements. It was a little better than half way to Tybee Island. She
found a place next to the highway with lots of vacancies and a pretty
good rate. If I were headed down that way I would do it again because
it worked out well for us.

On 11/15/2023 4:46 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2023-11-15 3:52 p.m., cshenk wrote:
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> Your winter may be like out late fall. It can get pretty raw. Never
>>> the less, we hope for a white Christmas because there is no
>>> guarantee. January and February tend to be cold and miserable and we
>>> can get snow into April.
>>
>> Minor coorection, Wytheville is in Virginia, tucked just above North
>> Carolina in the far western part of the state.  It's almost even with
>> Virginia Beach along the eastern coast.  My Mom settled there until she
>> passed away at almost 89.
>>
>> What had you decide on Wytheville?
>
>
> A group of about 20 of us were headed to Tybee Island for a winter
> kayaking vacation. One of the women in the group planned it and made the
> arrangements. It was a little  better than half way to Tybee Island. She
> found a place next to the highway with lots of vacancies and a pretty
> good rate.  If I were headed down that way I would do it again because
> it worked out well for us.
>

I remember you posting about that kayaking trip. One of the women was
vegan and difficult to please when it came to cooking/dining when you
were all at Tybee. This area did have a brief sort of icy thing that
occurred before you got there but it was over with quickly.

Jill

On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 18:40:52 -0500
jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:

> One of the women was
> vegan and difficult to please when it came to cooking/dining when you
> were all at Tybee.

Must not have had:

https://youtu.be/MDHQM1oPaGQ

There's enough fat groups represented in that pie to keep any peckish frozen tundra snowbird comfy, eh?

On 2023-11-15 6:40 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 11/15/2023 4:46 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2023-11-15 3:52 p.m., cshenk wrote:
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>> Your winter may be like out late fall. It can get pretty raw. Never
>>>> the less, we hope for a white Christmas because there is no
>>>> guarantee. January and February tend to be cold and miserable and we
>>>> can get snow into April.
>>>
>>> Minor coorection, Wytheville is in Virginia, tucked just above North
>>> Carolina in the far western part of the state.  It's almost even with
>>> Virginia Beach along the eastern coast.  My Mom settled there until she
>>> passed away at almost 89.
>>>
>>> What had you decide on Wytheville?
>>
>>
>> A group of about 20 of us were headed to Tybee Island for a winter
>> kayaking vacation. One of the women in the group planned it and made
>> the arrangements. It was a little  better than half way to Tybee
>> Island. She found a place next to the highway with lots of vacancies
>> and a pretty good rate.  If I were headed down that way I would do it
>> again because it worked out well for us.
>>
>
> I remember you posting about that kayaking trip.  One of the women was
> vegan and difficult to please when it came to cooking/dining when you
> were all at Tybee.

I am not sure if she was the one to please of the group of women who
expected the other 2 dozen of us to accommodate her. The vegan is a very
nice woman and she does does the vegan thing for herself. I found the
easiest way around it was to decide on a place my wife and I were going
and telling people they were free to come with us.

This area did have a brief sort of icy thing that
> occurred before you got there but it was over with quickly.

Yes indeed. There had been an abnormal cold snap. I left snow and ice
and it was like late spring in southern VA and then like summer in
Tybee.... our summer not your sauna like heat and humidity.

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2023-11-15 3:52 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> > Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > > Your winter may be like out late fall. It can get pretty raw.
> > > Never the less, we hope for a white Christmas because there is no
> > > guarantee. January and February tend to be cold and miserable and
> > > we can get snow into April.
> >
> > Minor coorection, Wytheville is in Virginia, tucked just above North
> > Carolina in the far western part of the state. It's almost even
> > with Virginia Beach along the eastern coast. My Mom settled there
> > until she passed away at almost 89.
> >
> > What had you decide on Wytheville?
>
>
> A group of about 20 of us were headed to Tybee Island for a winter
> kayaking vacation. One of the women in the group planned it and made
> the arrangements. It was a little better than half way to Tybee
> Island. She found a place next to the highway with lots of vacancies
> and a pretty good rate. If I were headed down that way I would do it
> again because it worked out well for us.

Ah, I didn't tie in the 2 trips.