Bruce wrote:
....
> Maybe he has forgiving pipes.

also know what i'm doing. it's never been an issue,
but also it isn't something i commonly have to do as
we don't frequently cook like that.

songbird

On Saturday, December 23, 2023 at 3:08:26 PM UTC-10, songbird wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 23, 2023 at 7:43:37 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2023-12-23 10:08 a.m., songbird wrote:
> >> > Bruce wrote:
> >> >> On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 19:52:07 -0500, songbird <song...@anthive.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> S Viemeister wrote:
> >> >>> ...
> >> >>>> We only put out a quarter pound at a time.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> that would last two days or less for us.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Mom likes a lot of butter on things that i
> >> >>> won't but she also makes up for it in volume.
> >> >>
> >> >> She's a big woman?
> >> >
> >> > shorter than me, slightly rounder in places.
> >> > not Big Niece category by far.
> >> >
> >> My wife eats a lot of butter and she has trim, healthy figure. She loves
> >> fat. She also eats a lot of fruit and vegetables. She will put a lot of
> >> butter on vegetables, fry eggs in gobs of butter and the odd time she
> >> has some sort of carbs she will put a lot of butter on it. She thinks
> >> the problem with butter on breads is mostly in the breads.
> >
> > In other words, it's not the fat, it's the carbs. I'm inclined to agree with that. It is the carbs that raise blood glucose levels - even more than sugar.
> if you don't know the actual science you can believe
> all sorts of things.
>
> what is currently known is that you can store some amount
> of sugar in your liver and muscles and the rest of your body
> but if you have too much sugar in your body it will get turned
> into fat.
>
> if you eat more protien than you need that too can also be
> turned into sugar and thus also to fat if you eat too much.
>
> the key is complex carbs and moderation, plus regular
> exercise.
>
>
> songbird

Well, you got your science and theories and then you have practical experience. Practical experience is more useful.

On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 19:26:00 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>...
>> Maybe he has forgiving pipes.
>
> also know what i'm doing. it's never been an issue,
>but also it isn't something i commonly have to do as
>we don't frequently cook like that.

You've triggered the Mother Superiors in the women of RFC. It will
probably soon calm down again.

On 2023-12-23, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
> Janet wrote:
> ...
>> He's fussing about the danger of windfall fruit; but his
>> own kitchen hygeine standard poses far more of a risk to
>> his mother.
>
> Mom is more of a risk to herself. i am the one
> who would not have cross-contaminated the butter
> to begin with. she's also the one who would eat
> the butter mold and all, the same for bread or
> cheese with mold on it. i'm the one who doesn't
> like that sort of thing.

I hear you. My mother leaves a jar of jam out on the
counter. When I saw mold and asked her abuot it, she
just shrugged. I tossed it anyhow.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 2023-12-23, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>> On 12/23/2023 10:13 AM, songbird wrote:
>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On 2023-12-23, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
>>>>> S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> We only put out a quarter pound at a time.
>>>>>
>>>>> that would last two days or less for us.
>>>>
>>>> Then put butter out every two days or less. It's not as if it takes
>>>> hours to get out a stick of butter and slap it in a butter dish.
>>>
>>> we don't normally have quarter pound sticks. those are
>>> a waste of time.
>>>
>> Wow. You're starting to sound like a former poster. No suggestion is a
>> good one.
>>
>> Why would quarter pound sticks be a waste of time? Keep three of them
>> in the fridge and one on the counter in the butter dish. Beats the hell
>> out of having moldy butter or running butter under hot water (how the
>> heck does that work?!) to get mold off it. It doesn't take that long
>> for a stick of butter to come up to room temperature and be soft.
>>
>> If you actually use as much butter as I read elsewhere in this thread
>> I'm not sure why mold is an issue in the first place. Unless the
>> temperature in your house is overly warm. Or the plastic butter
>> container (is it a tub?) has not been washed, as others mentioned.
>
> we buy butter 4lbs at a time. it is rare for us to
> have less than 8-10lbs in the fridge. Mom bakes a lot
> it gets used. have you ever baked several hundred
> cookies a day and tried to unwrap all those 1/4lb
> sticks?

What does she do with all those cookies? I've been wondering
for a while. ISTR you said once, but the ol' memory isn't what
it used to be.

--
Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2023-12-23, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 12/23/2023 10:13 AM, songbird wrote:
>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-12-23, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
>>>>>> S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> We only put out a quarter pound at a time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> that would last two days or less for us.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then put butter out every two days or less. It's not as if it takes
>>>>> hours to get out a stick of butter and slap it in a butter dish.
>>>>
>>>> we don't normally have quarter pound sticks. those are
>>>> a waste of time.
>>>>
>>> Wow. You're starting to sound like a former poster. No suggestion is a
>>> good one.
>>>
>>> Why would quarter pound sticks be a waste of time? Keep three of them
>>> in the fridge and one on the counter in the butter dish. Beats the hell
>>> out of having moldy butter or running butter under hot water (how the
>>> heck does that work?!) to get mold off it. It doesn't take that long
>>> for a stick of butter to come up to room temperature and be soft.
>>>
>>> If you actually use as much butter as I read elsewhere in this thread
>>> I'm not sure why mold is an issue in the first place. Unless the
>>> temperature in your house is overly warm. Or the plastic butter
>>> container (is it a tub?) has not been washed, as others mentioned.
>>
>> we buy butter 4lbs at a time. it is rare for us to
>> have less than 8-10lbs in the fridge. Mom bakes a lot
>> it gets used. have you ever baked several hundred
>> cookies a day and tried to unwrap all those 1/4lb
>> sticks?
>
> What does she do with all those cookies? I've been wondering
> for a while. ISTR you said once, but the ol' memory isn't what
> it used to be.

she gives them to family and friends, we usually have
some in the freezer, but it isn't just cookies that she
makes as she also does single layer cakes, pies, muffins,
bars, breads, trail mixes, and then once in a while she
also makes other food for some people, soups, baked
beans, lasagna, salads and pasta salads or whatever else
she can come up with.

last spring she said she was going to cut down on the
cooking for other people and perhaps she's backed off
about 1/4 from what she was doing before, but what she
ended up doing was just switching to other friends and
doing more for them.

the past month it seems like she's been going non-stop
and we mailed out some packages full of goodies to
people. this is in spite of her getting banged up by
accident at the grocery store so she likely has bruised
ribs that are taking time to heal up. no, she will not
go to the docs or the chiropractor to get checked. so
that means i've been doing almost all the lifting and
heavy work for a while but she still did go the the
store shopping one time and was lifting bags of flour
and sugar but that was probably not the best thing for
her to do but to tell her otherwise is pointless as she
won't usually listen. very stubborn.

it also meant i was doing all the gardening and yard
work so it's been a lot busier for me trying to get all
the gardens ready for winter. the rains were spacing
out at just the wrong intervals for quite some time so
i was having to wait for the clay to dry out enough i
could get gardens put up - i'd get one or two done or
started and then have to wait again and then when it
got closer to freezing up i was out there in the clay
and spending more time scraping mud off my garden shoes
or the shovels and rakes and stuff than actually
accomplishing anything but i did manage to get all but
two small projects done the past few weeks. not that i
mind, my body enjoys it and does much better when i get
regular heavy exercise - moving a few yards of heavy
clay around is a good definition of that... :)

songbird

On 2023-12-24 5:29 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2023-12-23, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:

>> Mom is more of a risk to herself. i am the one
>> who would not have cross-contaminated the butter
>> to begin with. she's also the one who would eat
>> the butter mold and all, the same for bread or
>> cheese with mold on it. i'm the one who doesn't
>> like that sort of thing.
>
> I hear you. My mother leaves a jar of jam out on the
> counter. When I saw mold and asked her abuot it, she
> just shrugged. I tossed it anyhow.
>

You could have just removed the mold and the jam on the surface near it
and the jam would be fine. My mother made a lot of jam and occasionally
there would be a little mold on the top. It was not big deal.

On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 5:02:10 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2023-12-24 5:29 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On 2023-12-23, songbird <song...@anthive.com> wrote:
>
> >> Mom is more of a risk to herself. i am the one
> >> who would not have cross-contaminated the butter
> >> to begin with. she's also the one who would eat
> >> the butter mold and all, the same for bread or
> >> cheese with mold on it. i'm the one who doesn't
> >> like that sort of thing.
> >
> > I hear you. My mother leaves a jar of jam out on the
> > counter. When I saw mold and asked her abuot it, she
> > just shrugged. I tossed it anyhow.
> >
> You could have just removed the mold and the jam on the surface near it
> and the jam would be fine. My mother made a lot of jam and occasionally
> there would be a little mold on the top. It was not big deal.

Mold was pretty normal back in the days before refrigeration. Scraping off the mold and eating the food was also normal. What was abnormal was throwing food away. Well, that's my guess, I wasn't around before refrigeration.

On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 08:50:26 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 5:02:10 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2023-12-24 5:29 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > On 2023-12-23, songbird <song...@anthive.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> Mom is more of a risk to herself. i am the one
>> >> who would not have cross-contaminated the butter
>> >> to begin with. she's also the one who would eat
>> >> the butter mold and all, the same for bread or
>> >> cheese with mold on it. i'm the one who doesn't
>> >> like that sort of thing.
>> >
>> > I hear you. My mother leaves a jar of jam out on the
>> > counter. When I saw mold and asked her abuot it, she
>> > just shrugged. I tossed it anyhow.
>> >
>> You could have just removed the mold and the jam on the surface near it
>> and the jam would be fine. My mother made a lot of jam and occasionally
>> there would be a little mold on the top. It was not big deal.
>
>Mold was pretty normal back in the days before refrigeration. Scraping off the mold and eating the food was also normal. What was abnormal was throwing food away. Well, that's my guess, I wasn't around before refrigeration.

That was then. Why would you bother with moldy jam or butter in 2023?

On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 7:02:15 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 08:50:26 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 5:02:10 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2023-12-24 5:29 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> > On 2023-12-23, songbird <song...@anthive.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Mom is more of a risk to herself. i am the one
> >> >> who would not have cross-contaminated the butter
> >> >> to begin with. she's also the one who would eat
> >> >> the butter mold and all, the same for bread or
> >> >> cheese with mold on it. i'm the one who doesn't
> >> >> like that sort of thing.
> >> >
> >> > I hear you. My mother leaves a jar of jam out on the
> >> > counter. When I saw mold and asked her abuot it, she
> >> > just shrugged. I tossed it anyhow.
> >> >
> >> You could have just removed the mold and the jam on the surface near it
> >> and the jam would be fine. My mother made a lot of jam and occasionally
> >> there would be a little mold on the top. It was not big deal.
> >
> >Mold was pretty normal back in the days before refrigeration. Scraping off the mold and eating the food was also normal. What was abnormal was throwing food away. Well, that's my guess, I wasn't around before refrigeration..
> That was then. Why would you bother with moldy jam or butter in 2023?

I don't have any problems with mold. It's 2023 - I won't let a little mold stop me. I'll dig it out and go back to eating. It's an old-school attitude..

On 2023-12-24, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On 2023-12-24 5:29 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2023-12-23, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
>
>>> Mom is more of a risk to herself. i am the one
>>> who would not have cross-contaminated the butter
>>> to begin with. she's also the one who would eat
>>> the butter mold and all, the same for bread or
>>> cheese with mold on it. i'm the one who doesn't
>>> like that sort of thing.
>>
>> I hear you. My mother leaves a jar of jam out on the
>> counter. When I saw mold and asked her abuot it, she
>> just shrugged. I tossed it anyhow.
>>
>
> You could have just removed the mold and the jam on the surface near it
> and the jam would be fine. My mother made a lot of jam and occasionally
> there would be a little mold on the top. It was not big deal.

The quart jar was nearly empty.

You know the mold you can see is only a small part of what's there,
don't you?

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 2023-12-24, dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
> On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 7:02:15 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 08:50:26 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 5:02:10 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >> On 2023-12-24 5:29 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >> > On 2023-12-23, songbird <song...@anthive.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> Mom is more of a risk to herself. i am the one
>> >> >> who would not have cross-contaminated the butter
>> >> >> to begin with. she's also the one who would eat
>> >> >> the butter mold and all, the same for bread or
>> >> >> cheese with mold on it. i'm the one who doesn't
>> >> >> like that sort of thing.
>> >> >
>> >> > I hear you. My mother leaves a jar of jam out on the
>> >> > counter. When I saw mold and asked her abuot it, she
>> >> > just shrugged. I tossed it anyhow.
>> >> >
>> >> You could have just removed the mold and the jam on the surface near it
>> >> and the jam would be fine. My mother made a lot of jam and occasionally
>> >> there would be a little mold on the top. It was not big deal.
>> >
>> >Mold was pretty normal back in the days before refrigeration. Scraping off the mold and eating the food was also normal. What was abnormal was throwing food away. Well, that's my guess, I wasn't around before refrigeration.
>> That was then. Why would you bother with moldy jam or butter in 2023?
>
> I don't have any problems with mold. It's 2023 - I won't let a little mold stop me. I'll dig it out and go back to eating. It's an old-school attitude.

It's 2023 - I would prefer to store my food in such a way that mold does
not form.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 8:03:32 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2023-12-24, dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 7:02:15 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 08:50:26 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> >> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 5:02:10 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> >> On 2023-12-24 5:29 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >> > On 2023-12-23, songbird <song...@anthive.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >> Mom is more of a risk to herself. i am the one
> >> >> >> who would not have cross-contaminated the butter
> >> >> >> to begin with. she's also the one who would eat
> >> >> >> the butter mold and all, the same for bread or
> >> >> >> cheese with mold on it. i'm the one who doesn't
> >> >> >> like that sort of thing.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I hear you. My mother leaves a jar of jam out on the
> >> >> > counter. When I saw mold and asked her abuot it, she
> >> >> > just shrugged. I tossed it anyhow.
> >> >> >
> >> >> You could have just removed the mold and the jam on the surface near it
> >> >> and the jam would be fine. My mother made a lot of jam and occasionally
> >> >> there would be a little mold on the top. It was not big deal.
> >> >
> >> >Mold was pretty normal back in the days before refrigeration. Scraping off the mold and eating the food was also normal. What was abnormal was throwing food away. Well, that's my guess, I wasn't around before refrigeration.
> >> That was then. Why would you bother with moldy jam or butter in 2023?
> >
> > I don't have any problems with mold. It's 2023 - I won't let a little mold stop me. I'll dig it out and go back to eating. It's an old-school attitude.
> It's 2023 - I would prefer to store my food in such a way that mold does
> not form.
>
> --
> Cindy Hamilton

So do I but it don't matter what one prefers. I keep some things in the refrigerator for years. Parks Kim Chee Sauce tends to get moldy. You can't do nothing about that.

https://www.leilanisattic.com/cdn/shop/products/hosoda-food-parks-kimchee-sauce-8oz-14622076207153_635x1276.jpg

dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 5:02:10 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2023-12-24 5:29 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On 2023-12-23, songbird <song...@anthive.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Mom is more of a risk to herself. i am the one
>>>> who would not have cross-contaminated the butter
>>>> to begin with. she's also the one who would eat
>>>> the butter mold and all, the same for bread or
>>>> cheese with mold on it. i'm the one who doesn't
>>>> like that sort of thing.
>>>
>>> I hear you. My mother leaves a jar of jam out on the
>>> counter. When I saw mold and asked her abuot it, she
>>> just shrugged. I tossed it anyhow.
>>>
>> You could have just removed the mold and the jam on the surface near it
>> and the jam would be fine. My mother made a lot of jam and occasionally
>> there would be a little mold on the top. It was not big deal.
>
> Mold was pretty normal back in the days before refrigeration. Scraping off the mold and eating the food was also normal. What was abnormal was throwing food away. Well, that's my guess, I wasn't around before refrigeration.
>

Will there be mold in da future, Uncle?

On 2023-12-24 11:50 a.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 5:02:10 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> You could have just removed the mold and the jam on the surface
>> near it and the jam would be fine. My mother made a lot of jam and
>> occasionally there would be a little mold on the top. It was not
>> big deal.
>
> Mold was pretty normal back in the days before refrigeration.
> Scraping off the mold and eating the food was also normal. What was
> abnormal was throwing food away. Well, that's my guess, I wasn't
> around before refrigeration.

We had refrigeration when this happened. Like most other houses at the
time, we had a cold cellar where my mother kept her canned fruits and
vegetables. She used to reuse jars from other fruit and vegetable
products. She would sterilize them, fill them with fresh hot jams and
then seal the tops with melted paraffin. After a year or two there might
be a little contamination and some mold would appear. Scrape off the
tops layer and it was good to go.

On 2023-12-24 1:02 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2023-12-24, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>> You could have just removed the mold and the jam on the surface near it
>> and the jam would be fine. My mother made a lot of jam and occasionally
>> there would be a little mold on the top. It was not big deal.
>
> The quart jar was nearly empty.
>
> You know the mold you can see is only a small part of what's there,
> don't you?
>

The food safety experts don't recommend it but it was SOP in the 50s.I
don't know of any illnesses we ever caught that we traced back to it.

On 2023-12-24, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On 2023-12-24 1:02 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2023-12-24, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>> You could have just removed the mold and the jam on the surface near it
>>> and the jam would be fine. My mother made a lot of jam and occasionally
>>> there would be a little mold on the top. It was not big deal.
>>
>> The quart jar was nearly empty.
>>
>> You know the mold you can see is only a small part of what's there,
>> don't you?
>>
>
> The food safety experts don't recommend it but it was SOP in the 50s.I
> don't know of any illnesses we ever caught that we traced back to it.

The plural of anecdote is not data.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 2023-12-24, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On 2023-12-24 11:50 a.m., dsi1 wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 5:02:10 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> You could have just removed the mold and the jam on the surface
>>> near it and the jam would be fine. My mother made a lot of jam and
>>> occasionally there would be a little mold on the top. It was not
>>> big deal.
>>
>> Mold was pretty normal back in the days before refrigeration.
>> Scraping off the mold and eating the food was also normal. What was
>> abnormal was throwing food away. Well, that's my guess, I wasn't
>> around before refrigeration.
>
> We had refrigeration when this happened. Like most other houses at the
> time, we had a cold cellar where my mother kept her canned fruits and
> vegetables. She used to reuse jars from other fruit and vegetable
> products. She would sterilize them, fill them with fresh hot jams and
> then seal the tops with melted paraffin. After a year or two there might
> be a little contamination and some mold would appear. Scrape off the
> tops layer and it was good to go.

Which is why paraffin is no longer recommended.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 18:03:25 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

>On 2023-12-24, dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 7:02:15 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 08:50:26 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>>> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Mold was pretty normal back in the days before refrigeration. Scraping off the mold and eating the food was also normal. What was abnormal was throwing food away. Well, that's my guess, I wasn't around before refrigeration.
>>> That was then. Why would you bother with moldy jam or butter in 2023?
>>
>> I don't have any problems with mold. It's 2023 - I won't let a little mold stop me. I'll dig it out and go back to eating. It's an old-school attitude.
>
>It's 2023 - I would prefer to store my food in such a way that mold does
>not form.

Yes, and the once a year that it still happens, say on a tomato, I
throw it out.

On 12/23/2023 6:56 PM, songbird wrote:
> Janet wrote:
> ...
>> He's fussing about the danger of windfall fruit; but his
>> own kitchen hygeine standard poses far more of a risk to
>> his mother.
>
> Mom is more of a risk to herself. i am the one
> who would not have cross-contaminated the butter
> to begin with. she's also the one who would eat
> the butter mold and all, the same for bread or
> cheese with mold on it. i'm the one who doesn't
> like that sort of thing.
>
>
> songbird

Have you ever had a conversation with her about things like this?
Unless she's suffering from dementia (or is just plain stubborn) it
might benefit you to talk with her.

Jill

On 12/24/2023 5:29 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2023-12-23, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
>> Janet wrote:
>> ...
>>> He's fussing about the danger of windfall fruit; but his
>>> own kitchen hygeine standard poses far more of a risk to
>>> his mother.
>>
>> Mom is more of a risk to herself. i am the one
>> who would not have cross-contaminated the butter
>> to begin with. she's also the one who would eat
>> the butter mold and all, the same for bread or
>> cheese with mold on it. i'm the one who doesn't
>> like that sort of thing.
>
> I hear you. My mother leaves a jar of jam out on the
> counter. When I saw mold and asked her abuot it, she
> just shrugged. I tossed it anyhow.
>
My mother used to do that, too, but not to the point of it getting
moldy. I pointed out it says right on the label "refrigerate after
opening". After that she stored it properly.

Jill

On 12/23/2023 4:15 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article <40b210db-450d-4991-9474-
> deab06f9246dn@googlegroups.com>, bruce1.9bowser@gmail.com
> says...
>>
>
>> As for germs, what ever you use around the house to keep bedbugs away is usually enough to keep other germs at bay though, right?
>
>
> Sounds like you're the kind of ignoramus who believes
> Ivermectin prevents covid.
>
> Bedbugs are insects, not germs.
>
> Janet UK

It's just another nonsensical reply from bowser.

Jill

On 2023-12-24 2:20 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2023-12-24, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> On 2023-12-24 1:02 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On 2023-12-24, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>> You could have just removed the mold and the jam on the surface near it
>>>> and the jam would be fine. My mother made a lot of jam and occasionally
>>>> there would be a little mold on the top. It was not big deal.
>>>
>>> The quart jar was nearly empty.
>>>
>>> You know the mold you can see is only a small part of what's there,
>>> don't you?
>>>
>>
>> The food safety experts don't recommend it but it was SOP in the 50s.I
>> don't know of any illnesses we ever caught that we traced back to it.
>
> The plural of anecdote is not data.
>

I guess the data that is needed is the number of people who got sick
form it. That data seems to be missing.

jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/23/2023 6:56 PM, songbird wrote:
>> Janet wrote:
>> ...
>>> He's fussing about the danger of windfall fruit; but his
>>> own kitchen hygeine standard poses far more of a risk to
>>> his mother.
>>
>>    Mom is more of a risk to herself.  i am the one
>> who would not have cross-contaminated the butter
>> to begin with.  she's also the one who would eat
>> the butter mold and all, the same for bread or
>> cheese with mold on it.  i'm the one who doesn't
>> like that sort of thing.
>>
>>
>>    songbird
>
>
> Have you ever had a conversation with her about things like
> this? Unless she's suffering from dementia (or is just plain
> stubborn) it might benefit you to talk with her.
>
> Jill

Your highness, with all due respect for your majesty, his
mother may have told him to fuck off and leave her alone.

You must remember that she's probably not of high birth, such
as yourself. Just a commoner most likely.

On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 11:49:18 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2023-12-24 2:20 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On 2023-12-24, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >> On 2023-12-24 1:02 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>> On 2023-12-24, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> You could have just removed the mold and the jam on the surface near it
> >>>> and the jam would be fine. My mother made a lot of jam and occasionally
> >>>> there would be a little mold on the top. It was not big deal.
> >>>
> >>> The quart jar was nearly empty.
> >>>
> >>> You know the mold you can see is only a small part of what's there,
> >>> don't you?
> >>>
> >>
> >> The food safety experts don't recommend it but it was SOP in the 50s.I
> >> don't know of any illnesses we ever caught that we traced back to it.
> >
> > The plural of anecdote is not data.
> >
>
> I guess the data that is needed is the number of people who got sick
> form it. That data seems to be missing.

Most Americans refrigerate ketchup, soy sauce, fish sauce, oyster sauce, et al. My guess is that most Asians in Asia don't refrigerate these things. A lot of Americans don't feel the need to wash rice before cooking. Most Asians feel obligated to wash their rice. It's simply a difference in cultures..