On 2024-03-08 6:36 a.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 13:28:22 +0000, gregorymorrow@msn.com (GM) wrote:
>
>> Graham wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-03-07 9:30 p.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
>>>> Graham wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I made a batch of lemon and lavender marmalade today, following
>>>>> a recipe to the letter. It specified 50grams of lavender flowers
>>>>> but that was waaaaay too much. Between 5 and 10 would have been
>>>>> sufficient. The flavour is OK, if a bit strong from the lavender
>>>>> but the main problem is all the lavender buds than one constantly
>>>>> bites on.
>>>>> So it looks like I'll have to discard all 3.75 litres and start again.
>>>>
>>>> Well, that's a shame and that's a LOT of marmalade to go into the trash.
>>
>>> I'll eat some of it but I have friends who raved about some I made
>>> 2 years ago and several jars were intended for them but this batch is
>>> certainly not gift-worthy.
>>> "Oh, well" as Ned Kelly said as he was about to be hanged:-(
>>
>>
>> God spoiled your marmalade because you are a filthy blasphemous atheist, Graham...
>>
>> O:-)
>
> Congratulations Graham! You displeased their imaginary figure head :)

What did you expect from Greg who thinks the sun shines out of Trump's arse.

On 2024-03-10 5:41 p.m., Graham wrote:
> On 2024-03-08 10:13 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
.. He ministered to the guy and
>> helped him find Jesus and salvation. Then he explained how he had come
>> to understand why God had put him through that ordeal. God had been
>> instrumental in getting Jimmy into the depths of that prison to find
>> this guy and help him find Jesus.  I almost puked at that.
>>
> One look at the heavily painted Tammy Faye was enough to make anyone puke.

I recently watched The Eyes of Tammy Faye. It's worth watching.

On 2024-03-10, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
> On 2024-03-08 2:28 p.m., Janet wrote:
>> In article <S4LGN.407639$Ama9.154393@fx12.iad>,
>
>>
>> When I was in primary school, the inside back cover of
>> every excercise book was printed with the imperial
>> measures, like this
>>
>> https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/299982025154725677/
>>
>> we learned the ones for weight, length, area by heart and
>> could chant them by rote, just like multiplication tables.
>> Mental arithmetic featured questions like
>>
>> "Bob walked five furlongs to town, how many yards did he
>> travel?His speed was 3 miles per hour, how long did it
>> take? At the shop he bought six ounces of sugar. Sugar
>> costs 1s/10d per pound, how much change did he get from
>> half a crown."
>>
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
> And we were still taught words like "byre".

I've never had a use for "byre".

--
Cindy Hamilton

On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 15:41:44 -0600, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

>On 2024-03-08 10:13 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2024-03-08 11:30 a.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>>> On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 14:38:16 +0000, gregorymorrow@msn.com (GM) wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>> Remember - here in the States even our currency is emblazoned with
>>>> "In God We Trust"...!!!
>>>>
>>>> ;-D
>>>
>>> No, when I hear the so-called saintly sorts a la Jimmy Bakker, I know
>>> if there really is anything after death, I would hate to join them. Be
>>> far more fun in hell.
>>
>>
>> One day I was channel surfing and stopped at a religious program when I
>> spotted that slimey creep. He had recently been released from jail and
>> he introduced some young black guy he met in the bowels of the prison.
>> The guy had had a troubled life and had endured privation as a child and
>> ended up in a life of crime. He ministered to the guy and helped him
>> find Jesus and salvation. Then he explained how he had come to
>> understand why God had put him through that ordeal. God had been
>> instrumental in getting Jimmy into the depths of that prison to find
>> this guy and help him find Jesus.  I almost puked at that.
>>
>One look at the heavily painted Tammy Faye was enough to make anyone puke.

A circus clown:
<https://www.historyhit.com/app/uploads/2023/01/Tammy-Faye-Bakker-Cover-Image.jpg>

On 10/03/2024 21:15, Graham wrote:
> On 2024-03-08 2:28 p.m., Janet wrote:
>> In article <S4LGN.407639$Ama9.154393@fx12.iad>,
>
>>
>>     When I was in primary school, the inside back cover of
>> every  excercise book was printed with the imperial
>> measures, like this
>>
>>    https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/299982025154725677/
>>
>> we learned the ones for weight, length, area by heart  and
>> could chant them by rote, just like multiplication tables.
>> Mental arithmetic featured questions like
>>
>> "Bob walked five furlongs to  town, how many yards did he
>> travel?His speed was 3 miles per hour, how long did it
>> take? At the shop he bought six ounces of sugar. Sugar
>> costs 1s/10d per pound, how much change did he get from
>> half a crown."
>>
>>
>>    Janet UK
> And we were still taught words like "byre".
>
I would expect so!
That word is still in common use.

On 10/03/2024 21:59, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2024-03-10, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

>> And we were still taught words like "byre".
>
> I've never had a use for "byre".
>
Ye dinnae bide on a fairm.
The byre is whaur the kine bide.

On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 23:05:00 +0000, S Viemeister
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

>On 10/03/2024 21:59, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2024-03-10, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>> And we were still taught words like "byre".
>>
>> I've never had a use for "byre".
>>
>Ye dinnae bide on a fairm.
>The byre is whaur the kine bide.

Maybe someone can go and try this on a Texan cattle farmer.

On 2024-03-10 7:05 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
> On 10/03/2024 21:59, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2024-03-10, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>> And we were still taught words like "byre".
>>
>> I've never had a use for "byre".
>>
> Ye dinnae bide on a fairm.
> The byre is whaur the kine bide.
>

Maybe it is because I had to study Chaucer or some sort of innate
understanding of Gaelic from my distant Scottish ancestry, but I was
actually able to translate that into something I understood.

On 10/03/2024 23:34, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2024-03-10 7:05 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 10/03/2024 21:59, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-10, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>> And we were still taught words like "byre".
>>>
>>> I've never had a use for "byre".
>>>
>> Ye dinnae bide on a fairm.
>> The byre is whaur the kine bide.
>>
>
>
> Maybe it is because I had to study Chaucer or some sort of innate
> understanding of Gaelic from my distant Scottish ancestry, but I was
> actually able to translate that into something I understood.

Yon wisnae Gaelic. It's Scots.

On 2024-03-10 7:39 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
> On 10/03/2024 23:34, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2024-03-10 7:05 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>>> On 10/03/2024 21:59, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-10, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> And we were still taught words like "byre".
>>>>
>>>> I've never had a use for "byre".
>>>>
>>> Ye dinnae bide on a fairm.
>>> The byre is whaur the kine bide.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe it is because I had to study Chaucer or some sort of innate
>> understanding of Gaelic from my distant Scottish ancestry, but I was
>> actually able to translate that into something I understood.
>
> Yon wisnae Gaelic. It's Scots.

Okay.... basically gibberish either way.

On 10/03/2024 23:47, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2024-03-10 7:39 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 10/03/2024 23:34, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-10 7:05 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>>>> On 10/03/2024 21:59, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-03-10, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> And we were still taught words like "byre".
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never had a use for "byre".
>>>>>
>>>> Ye dinnae bide on a fairm.
>>>> The byre is whaur the kine bide.
>>>>
>>> Maybe it is because I had to study Chaucer or some sort of innate
>>> understanding of Gaelic from my distant Scottish ancestry, but I was
>>> actually able to translate that into something I understood.
>>
>> Yon wisnae Gaelic. It's Scots.
>
> Okay.... basically gibberish either way.
>
Only to monoglots.

This is what that Scot's sentence would be in Gaelic -

'S e am bàthach far a bheil a' chrodh a' fuireach.

On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 19:47:04 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2024-03-10 7:39 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 10/03/2024 23:34, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-10 7:05 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>>>> On 10/03/2024 21:59, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-03-10, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> And we were still taught words like "byre".
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never had a use for "byre".
>>>>>
>>>> Ye dinnae bide on a fairm.
>>>> The byre is whaur the kine bide.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe it is because I had to study Chaucer or some sort of innate
>>> understanding of Gaelic from my distant Scottish ancestry, but I was
>>> actually able to translate that into something I understood.
>>
>> Yon wisnae Gaelic. It's Scots.
>
>Okay.... basically gibberish either way.

Dave suddenly went downhill fast.

On 2024-03-10 7:56 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
> On 10/03/2024 23:47, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2024-03-10 7:39 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>>> On 10/03/2024 23:34, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-10 7:05 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>> On 10/03/2024 21:59, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-03-10, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> And we were still taught words like "byre".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've never had a use for "byre".
>>>>>>
>>>>> Ye dinnae bide on a fairm.
>>>>> The byre is whaur the kine bide.
>>>>>
>>>> Maybe it is because I had to study Chaucer or some sort of innate
>>>> understanding of Gaelic from my distant Scottish ancestry, but I was
>>>> actually able to translate that into something I understood.
>>>
>>> Yon wisnae Gaelic. It's Scots.
>>
>> Okay.... basically gibberish either way.
>>
> Only to monoglots.
>
> This is what that Scot's sentence would be in Gaelic -
>
> 'S e am bàthach far a bheil a' chrodh a' fuireach.
>

There are hundreds if languages in the world and billions of people who
are bilingual or multilingual. Not speaking one of those many languages
does not make one a monoglot. While my language skills are diminished
from lack of use I used to be able to communicate enough to have simple
conversations in French and German.
>

On 2024-03-10 7:56 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
> On 10/03/2024 23:47, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2024-03-10 7:39 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>>> On 10/03/2024 23:34, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-10 7:05 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>> On 10/03/2024 21:59, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-03-10, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> And we were still taught words like "byre".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've never had a use for "byre".
>>>>>>
>>>>> Ye dinnae bide on a fairm.
>>>>> The byre is whaur the kine bide.
>>>>>
>>>> Maybe it is because I had to study Chaucer or some sort of innate
>>>> understanding of Gaelic from my distant Scottish ancestry, but I was
>>>> actually able to translate that into something I understood.
>>>
>>> Yon wisnae Gaelic. It's Scots.
>>
>> Okay.... basically gibberish either way.
>>
> Only to monoglots.
>
> This is what that Scot's sentence would be in Gaelic -
>
> 'S e am bàthach far a bheil a' chrodh a' fuireach.
>
>

and .... FWIW there are a number of countries in Europe where you can
get by in English because so many of the locals speak it. They know that
it is a big world and that English is an international language. They
know that few people are going to invest the time and energy into
learning their language because so few people speak it. The Dutch,
Danes, Swedes, Norwegians, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians all buy
into that. They like to have their native language, but they all learn
the more commonly used modern languages.

Graham wrote:

> On 2024-03-08 6:36 a.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>> On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 13:28:22 +0000, gregorymorrow@msn.com (GM) wrote:
>>
>>> Graham wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-03-07 9:30 p.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
>>>>> Graham wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I made a batch of lemon and lavender marmalade today, following
>>>>>> a recipe to the letter. It specified 50grams of lavender flowers
>>>>>> but that was waaaaay too much. Between 5 and 10 would have been
>>>>>> sufficient. The flavour is OK, if a bit strong from the lavender
>>>>>> but the main problem is all the lavender buds than one constantly
>>>>>> bites on.
>>>>>> So it looks like I'll have to discard all 3.75 litres and start again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, that's a shame and that's a LOT of marmalade to go into the trash.
>>>
>>>> I'll eat some of it but I have friends who raved about some I made
>>>> 2 years ago and several jars were intended for them but this batch is
>>>> certainly not gift-worthy.
>>>> "Oh, well" as Ned Kelly said as he was about to be hanged:-(
>>>
>>>
>>> God spoiled your marmalade because you are a filthy blasphemous atheist, Graham...
>>>
>>> O:-)
>>
>> Congratulations Graham! You displeased their imaginary figure head :)

> What did you expect from Greg who thinks the sun shines out of Trump's arse.

:-P

--
GM

On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 20:18:18 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2024-03-10 7:56 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 10/03/2024 23:47, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-10 7:39 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>>>> On 10/03/2024 23:34, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>>>> Maybe it is because I had to study Chaucer or some sort of innate
>>>>> understanding of Gaelic from my distant Scottish ancestry, but I was
>>>>> actually able to translate that into something I understood.
>>>>
>>>> Yon wisnae Gaelic. It's Scots.
>>>
>>> Okay.... basically gibberish either way.
>>>
>> Only to monoglots.
>>
>> This is what that Scot's sentence would be in Gaelic -
>>
>> 'S e am bàthach far a bheil a' chrodh a' fuireach.
>
>There are hundreds if languages in the world and billions of people who
>are bilingual or multilingual. Not speaking one of those many languages
>does not make one a monoglot. While my language skills are diminished
>from lack of use I used to be able to communicate enough to have simple
>conversations in French and German.

That's not being bilingual or multilingual. Besides, "simple
conversations" should probably be replaced with "a few words".

On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 20:22:18 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2024-03-10 7:56 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 10/03/2024 23:47, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-10 7:39 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yon wisnae Gaelic. It's Scots.
>>>
>>> Okay.... basically gibberish either way.
>>>
>> Only to monoglots.
>>
>> This is what that Scot's sentence would be in Gaelic -
>>
>> 'S e am bàthach far a bheil a' chrodh a' fuireach.
>>
>and .... FWIW there are a number of countries in Europe where you can
>get by in English because so many of the locals speak it. They know that
>it is a big world and that English is an international language. They
>know that few people are going to invest the time and energy into
>learning their language because so few people speak it. The Dutch,
>Danes, Swedes, Norwegians, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians all buy
>into that. They like to have their native language, but they all learn
>the more commonly used modern languages.

I don't know much about the Baltic states, but Dutch, Danish, Swedish
and Norwegian are modern languages.

On 3/10/2024 8:22 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>
>
> and .... FWIW there are a number of countries in Europe where you can
> get by in English because so many of the locals speak it. They know that
> it is a big world and that English is an international language. They
> know that few people are going to invest the time and energy into
> learning their language because so few people speak it. The Dutch,
> Danes, Swedes, Norwegians, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians all buy
> into that. They like to have their native language, but they all learn
> the more commonly used modern languages.
>
>
Times have changed. When my grandfather was in Poland, he spoke six
languages and it was fairly common since the countries were close and
some similarity of language. In the US, not so much.

In high school,my grades were good so I had Latin. I wanted to take
Spanish but that was the lower classes, notch below French. I've yet
met anyone speaking Latin,but often could use French.

I've made a few trips to Italy and know a few words, but my wife grew up
with it in her house. Even so, English is spoken in the more touristy
areas.

On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 21:19:07 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 3/10/2024 8:22 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> and .... FWIW there are a number of countries in Europe where you can
>> get by in English because so many of the locals speak it. They know that
>> it is a big world and that English is an international language. They
>> know that few people are going to invest the time and energy into
>> learning their language because so few people speak it. The Dutch,
>> Danes, Swedes, Norwegians, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians all buy
>> into that. They like to have their native language, but they all learn
>> the more commonly used modern languages.
>>
>>
>Times have changed. When my grandfather was in Poland, he spoke six
>languages and it was fairly common since the countries were close and
>some similarity of language. In the US, not so much.
>
>In high school,my grades were good so I had Latin. I wanted to take
>Spanish but that was the lower classes, notch below French. I've yet
>met anyone speaking Latin,but often could use French.
>
>I've made a few trips to Italy and know a few words, but my wife grew up
>with it in her house. Even so, English is spoken in the more touristy
>areas.

Let's enjoy it. If we live long enough, we'll all have to learn
Mandarin.

On 11/03/2024 01:45, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 21:19:07 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

>> Times have changed. When my grandfather was in Poland, he spoke six
>> languages and it was fairly common since the countries were close and
>> some similarity of language. In the US, not so much.
>>
>> In high school,my grades were good so I had Latin. I wanted to take
>> Spanish but that was the lower classes, notch below French. I've yet
>> met anyone speaking Latin,but often could use French.
>>
>> I've made a few trips to Italy and know a few words, but my wife grew up
>> with it in her house. Even so, English is spoken in the more touristy
>> areas.
>
> Let's enjoy it. If we live long enough, we'll all have to learn
> Mandarin.
>
One of my nieces lived in China for a few years, teaching English and
learning Mandarin. I'll ask her to translate for me.

On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 01:54:04 +0000, S Viemeister
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

>On 11/03/2024 01:45, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 21:19:07 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
>
>>> Times have changed. When my grandfather was in Poland, he spoke six
>>> languages and it was fairly common since the countries were close and
>>> some similarity of language. In the US, not so much.
>>>
>>> In high school,my grades were good so I had Latin. I wanted to take
>>> Spanish but that was the lower classes, notch below French. I've yet
>>> met anyone speaking Latin,but often could use French.
>>>
>>> I've made a few trips to Italy and know a few words, but my wife grew up
>>> with it in her house. Even so, English is spoken in the more touristy
>>> areas.
>>
>> Let's enjoy it. If we live long enough, we'll all have to learn
>> Mandarin.
>>
>One of my nieces lived in China for a few years, teaching English and
>learning Mandarin. I'll ask her to translate for me.

Yes, she'll be a busy woman.

On 2024-03-10 4:49 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
> On 10/03/2024 21:15, Graham wrote:
>> On 2024-03-08 2:28 p.m., Janet wrote:
>>> In article <S4LGN.407639$Ama9.154393@fx12.iad>,
>>
>>>
>>>     When I was in primary school, the inside back cover of
>>> every  excercise book was printed with the imperial
>>> measures, like this
>>>
>>>    https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/299982025154725677/
>>>
>>> we learned the ones for weight, length, area by heart  and
>>> could chant them by rote, just like multiplication tables.
>>> Mental arithmetic featured questions like
>>>
>>> "Bob walked five furlongs to  town, how many yards did he
>>> travel?His speed was 3 miles per hour, how long did it
>>> take? At the shop he bought six ounces of sugar. Sugar
>>> costs 1s/10d per pound, how much change did he get from
>>> half a crown."
>>>
>>>
>>>    Janet UK
>> And we were still taught words like "byre".
>>
> I would expect so!
> That word is still in common use.
Where?
Not in the farming community I come from.

On 2024-03-10, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On 2024-03-10 7:05 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 10/03/2024 21:59, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-10, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>> And we were still taught words like "byre".
>>>
>>> I've never had a use for "byre".
>>>
>> Ye dinnae bide on a fairm.
>> The byre is whaur the kine bide.
>>
>
>
> Maybe it is because I had to study Chaucer or some sort of innate
> understanding of Gaelic from my distant Scottish ancestry, but I was
> actually able to translate that into something I understood.

I didn't have any trouble with it, either. I suspect it's because
I'll read almost anything, and remember much of what I read.

Or it could be the folk music.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 2024-03-11, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
> On 3/10/2024 8:22 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> and .... FWIW there are a number of countries in Europe where you can
>> get by in English because so many of the locals speak it. They know that
>> it is a big world and that English is an international language. They
>> know that few people are going to invest the time and energy into
>> learning their language because so few people speak it. The Dutch,
>> Danes, Swedes, Norwegians, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians all buy
>> into that. They like to have their native language, but they all learn
>> the more commonly used modern languages.
>>
>>
> Times have changed. When my grandfather was in Poland, he spoke six
> languages and it was fairly common since the countries were close and
> some similarity of language. In the US, not so much.

What's that quote from The Dirty Dozen? "My old man came from Silesia.
He didn't speak German, he didn't dig coal. If he didn't dig coal, he
didn't eat."

> In high school,my grades were good so I had Latin. I wanted to take
> Spanish but that was the lower classes, notch below French. I've yet
> met anyone speaking Latin,but often could use French.

I studied German in high school. I wish I'd taken Spanish.

Since I went to public school, there was no academic requirement to
take any language. But it was mostly the college-bound who bothered
to take it; hence, filtering on grades was kind of baked in.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 11/03/2024 04:02, Graham wrote:
> On 2024-03-10 4:49 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 10/03/2024 21:15, Graham wrote:
   Janet UK
>>> And we were still taught words like "byre".
>>>
>> I would expect so!
>> That word is still in common use.
> Where?
> Not in the farming community I come from.

In Scotland.