On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 2:37:50 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 09:17:06 -0700 (PDT), "waynebatr...@hotmail.com"
> <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 7:41:06 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
> >> On 10/5/2021 6:57 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> > On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 5:09:18 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
> >> >> On 10/5/2021 1:29 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> >>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 5:24:39 PM UTC-4, justan wrote:
> >> >>>> gfre...@aol.com Wrote in message:r
> >> >>>>> On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 16:51:57 -0000 (UTC), Bill<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:>waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 8:38:21 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:>>> On 10/3/2021 6:24 PM, John wrote: >>>> Don't know if the attribution is true, but the quote hits the nail on the head: >>>> >>>> Extraordinarily accurate analysis from a foreign country. God help the USA . >>>> Some people have the vocabulary to sum up things in a way that you can quickly >>>> understand them. This quote came from the Czech Republic . Someone over there >>>> has it figured out. It was translated into English from an article in a Prague >>>> newspaper. >>>> >>>> "The danger to America is not Joe Biden, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a >>>> man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the >>>> follies of a Biden presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and >>>> good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to
> >have such a man for their >>>> president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Biden, who >>>> is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should >>>> not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. >>>> The Republic can survive a Biden, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less >>>> likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their >>>> president." >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Freedom Isn't Free! >>>> >>> Spot on. Unfortunately, I don't see much hope until the progressive >>> left wins, gets what they want, another generation or two passes by >>> and *then* people will wake up and realize what they lost. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> https://www.avg.com>> >> ===>> >> Biden would not be president if the Republican party had run a decent,>> middle-of-the-road, candidate. I doubt they can win another election if>> the Trump worship continues.>>
> >>>BS! The Democrats had a captive press for 4 years, putting down everything>Trump did. In 75 years, I think Trump will be recognized as one of the>better Presidents. Personality wise, he is an Ahole. But as POTUS, he did>well. Told Europeans to pay their own way, got us out of a extended Middle>East debacle. Pointed out China is not our friend. So, other than his>Tweets, what did he really do wrong as President? He addressed>immigration, unfortunately without any Congress cooperation, that was dead.Come on.. that's not even close to reality.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Really?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ===
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> So, other than his>Tweets, what did he really do wrong as President?
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> So I guess trying to mount an insurrection and overthrow our constitutional government is OK with you? Really?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> There are plenty of other things but that is far and away the worst. He was justifiably impeached for it, but his lap dog supporters wouldn't pull the trigger out of fear for Trump's wrath among the true believers.
> >> >>>
> >> >> I have a little trouble buying into the second impeachment that happened
> >> >> only 7 days after the alleged insurrection. There's still an
> >> >> investigation going on to determine what part, if any, Trump had a hand
> >> >> in this.
> >> >>
> >> >> Wayne, if you are convinced Trump tried to mount an insurrection and of
> >> >> trying to overthrow our government without benefit of all the facts,
> >> >> then you are as biased against Trump as Mrs.E. is *for* him. :-)
> >> >
> >> > ===
> >> >
> >> > I don't claim to have all the facts; it's doubtful that anyone does. Probably the most damning bit of evidence is the well documented transcript of his conversation with the Georgia Secretary of State, Brad Raffensperger. Trump repeatedly implores Raffensperger to find electoral errors or "find more votes," even after being repeatedly told that there were no errors. There can be no doubt that Trump is asking for something contrary to established procedure and law. There is a great deal of informed speculation that laws were broken, and that criminal charges may be brought.
> >> >
> >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Raffensperger_phone_call#January_2_taped_conversation_with_Raffensperger
> >> >
> >> It's a long stretch from trying to get Raffensperger to look into the
> >> election results and to "look" for more votes and inciting a riot to
> >> overthrow the government.
> >
> >===
> >
> >Agreed, but those are just specific and well documented examples of a carefully orchestrated strategy. The overall intent is quite clear.
> Spreading the bullshit again, Wayne? Go back and answer some of the pertinent
> questlions in this thread that you conveniently overlooked. Reminds me of
> someone else.
> --
>
> Freedom Isn't Free!

==
What part of what I said is bullshit, or are you referring to Trump's bullshit about how the election was stolen from him? Eleven months after the election he is still spouting that crap to his true believers despite all the evidence to the contrary.

On 10/11/2021 3:01 PM, waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 2:37:50 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 09:17:06 -0700 (PDT), "waynebatr...@hotmail.com"
>> <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 7:41:06 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>> On 10/5/2021 6:57 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 5:09:18 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/5/2021 1:29 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 5:24:39 PM UTC-4, justan wrote:
>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com Wrote in message:r
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 16:51:57 -0000 (UTC), Bill<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:>waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 8:38:21 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:>>> On 10/3/2021 6:24 PM, John wrote: >>>> Don't know if the attribution is true, but the quote hits the nail on the head: >>>> >>>> Extraordinarily accurate analysis from a foreign country. God help the USA . >>>> Some people have the vocabulary to sum up things in a way that you can quickly >>>> understand them. This quote came from the Czech Republic . Someone over there >>>> has it figured out. It was translated into English from an article in a Prague >>>> newspaper. >>>> >>>> "The danger to America is not Joe Biden, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a >>>> man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the >>>> follies of a Biden presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and >>>> good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to
>>> have such a man for their >>>> president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Biden, who >>>> is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should >>>> not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. >>>> The Republic can survive a Biden, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less >>>> likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their >>>> president." >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Freedom Isn't Free! >>>> >>> Spot on. Unfortunately, I don't see much hope until the progressive >>> left wins, gets what they want, another generation or two passes by >>> and *then* people will wake up and realize what they lost. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> https://www.avg.com>> >> ===>> >> Biden would not be president if the Republican party had run a decent,>> middle-of-the-road, candidate. I doubt they can win another election if>> the Trump worship continues.>>
>>>>> BS! The Democrats had a captive press for 4 years, putting down everything>Trump did. In 75 years, I think Trump will be recognized as one of the>better Presidents. Personality wise, he is an Ahole. But as POTUS, he did>well. Told Europeans to pay their own way, got us out of a extended Middle>East debacle. Pointed out China is not our friend. So, other than his>Tweets, what did he really do wrong as President? He addressed>immigration, unfortunately without any Congress cooperation, that was dead.Come on.. that's not even close to reality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, other than his>Tweets, what did he really do wrong as President?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I guess trying to mount an insurrection and overthrow our constitutional government is OK with you? Really?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are plenty of other things but that is far and away the worst. He was justifiably impeached for it, but his lap dog supporters wouldn't pull the trigger out of fear for Trump's wrath among the true believers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a little trouble buying into the second impeachment that happened
>>>>>> only 7 days after the alleged insurrection. There's still an
>>>>>> investigation going on to determine what part, if any, Trump had a hand
>>>>>> in this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wayne, if you are convinced Trump tried to mount an insurrection and of
>>>>>> trying to overthrow our government without benefit of all the facts,
>>>>>> then you are as biased against Trump as Mrs.E. is *for* him. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> ===
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't claim to have all the facts; it's doubtful that anyone does. Probably the most damning bit of evidence is the well documented transcript of his conversation with the Georgia Secretary of State, Brad Raffensperger. Trump repeatedly implores Raffensperger to find electoral errors or "find more votes," even after being repeatedly told that there were no errors. There can be no doubt that Trump is asking for something contrary to established procedure and law. There is a great deal of informed speculation that laws were broken, and that criminal charges may be brought.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Raffensperger_phone_call#January_2_taped_conversation_with_Raffensperger
>>>>>
>>>> It's a long stretch from trying to get Raffensperger to look into the
>>>> election results and to "look" for more votes and inciting a riot to
>>>> overthrow the government.
>>>
>>> ===
>>>
>>> Agreed, but those are just specific and well documented examples of a carefully orchestrated strategy. The overall intent is quite clear.
>> Spreading the bullshit again, Wayne? Go back and answer some of the pertinent
>> questlions in this thread that you conveniently overlooked. Reminds me of
>> someone else.
>> --
>>
>> Freedom Isn't Free!
>
> ===
>
> What part of what I said is bullshit, or are you referring to Trump's bullshit about how the election was stolen from him? Eleven months after the election he is still spouting that crap to his true believers despite all the evidence to the contrary.
>
Maybe Hillary has some ideas on the subject.

On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 06:58:14 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
wrote:

>On 10/11/2021 3:01 PM, waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 2:37:50 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:
>>> On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 09:17:06 -0700 (PDT), "waynebatr...@hotmail.com"
>>> <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 7:41:06 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>> On 10/5/2021 6:57 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 5:09:18 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/5/2021 1:29 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 5:24:39 PM UTC-4, justan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com Wrote in message:r
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 16:51:57 -0000 (UTC), Bill<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:>waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 8:38:21 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:>>> On 10/3/2021 6:24 PM, John wrote: >>>> Don't know if the attribution is true, but the quote hits the nail on the head: >>>> >>>> Extraordinarily accurate analysis from a foreign country. God help the USA . >>>> Some people have the vocabulary to sum up things in a way that you can quickly >>>> understand them. This quote came from the Czech Republic . Someone over there >>>> has it figured out. It was translated into English from an article in a Prague >>>> newspaper. >>>> >>>> "The danger to America is not Joe Biden, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a >>>> man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the >>>> follies of a Biden presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and >>>> good judgment to a depraved electorate willing
to
>>>> have such a man for their >>>> president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Biden, who >>>> is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should >>>> not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. >>>> The Republic can survive a Biden, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less >>>> likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their >>>> president." >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Freedom Isn't Free! >>>> >>> Spot on. Unfortunately, I don't see much hope until the progressive >>> left wins, gets what they want, another generation or two passes by >>> and *then* people will wake up and realize what they lost. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> https://www.avg.com>> >> ===>> >> Biden would not be president if the Republican party had run a decent,>> middle-of-the-road, candidate. I doubt they can win another election if>> the Trump worship continues.>>
>>>>>> BS! The Democrats had a captive press for 4 years, putting down everything>Trump did. In 75 years, I think Trump will be recognized as one of the>better Presidents. Personality wise, he is an Ahole. But as POTUS, he did>well. Told Europeans to pay their own way, got us out of a extended Middle>East debacle. Pointed out China is not our friend. So, other than his>Tweets, what did he really do wrong as President? He addressed>immigration, unfortunately without any Congress cooperation, that was dead.Come on.. that's not even close to reality.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, other than his>Tweets, what did he really do wrong as President?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So I guess trying to mount an insurrection and overthrow our constitutional government is OK with you? Really?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are plenty of other things but that is far and away the worst. He was justifiably impeached for it, but his lap dog supporters wouldn't pull the trigger out of fear for Trump's wrath among the true believers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a little trouble buying into the second impeachment that happened
>>>>>>> only 7 days after the alleged insurrection. There's still an
>>>>>>> investigation going on to determine what part, if any, Trump had a hand
>>>>>>> in this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wayne, if you are convinced Trump tried to mount an insurrection and of
>>>>>>> trying to overthrow our government without benefit of all the facts,
>>>>>>> then you are as biased against Trump as Mrs.E. is *for* him. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't claim to have all the facts; it's doubtful that anyone does. Probably the most damning bit of evidence is the well documented transcript of his conversation with the Georgia Secretary of State, Brad Raffensperger. Trump repeatedly implores Raffensperger to find electoral errors or "find more votes," even after being repeatedly told that there were no errors. There can be no doubt that Trump is asking for something contrary to established procedure and law. There is a great deal of informed speculation that laws were broken, and that criminal charges may be brought.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Raffensperger_phone_call#January_2_taped_conversation_with_Raffensperger
>>>>>>
>>>>> It's a long stretch from trying to get Raffensperger to look into the
>>>>> election results and to "look" for more votes and inciting a riot to
>>>>> overthrow the government.
>>>>
>>>> ===
>>>>
>>>> Agreed, but those are just specific and well documented examples of a carefully orchestrated strategy. The overall intent is quite clear.
>>> Spreading the bullshit again, Wayne? Go back and answer some of the pertinent
>>> questlions in this thread that you conveniently overlooked. Reminds me of
>>> someone else.
>>> --
>>>
>>> Freedom Isn't Free!
>>
>> ===
>>
>
>> What part of what I said is bullshit, or are you referring to Trump's bullshit about how the election was stolen from him? Eleven months after the election he is still spouting that crap to his true believers despite all the evidence to the contrary.
>>
>
>Maybe Hillary has some ideas on the subject.

There are still some democrats who think Gore won