33 miliardy$$ na pomoc dla Ukrainy to juz nie przelewki.
To budzet wojenny USA. Oczywiscie ten szmal nie bedzie dla UkrAINy-
bo zydowscy oligarchowie wnet by go rozkradli. To szmal dla amerykanskiego przemyslu wojennego. Tak czy siak-owe 7 milionow $ lapowki wreczone synusiowi Joe Bidena w Ukrainie to byl doskonaly inwestycyjny wydatek.

On Friday, 29 April 2022 at 00:11:43 UTC+2, fatso wrote:
> 33 miliardy$$ na pomoc dla Ukrainy to juz nie przelewki.
> To budzet wojenny USA. Oczywiscie ten szmal nie bedzie dla UkrAINy-
> bo zydowscy oligarchowie wnet by go rozkradli. To szmal dla amerykanskiego przemyslu wojennego. Tak czy siak-owe 7 milionow $ lapowki wreczone synusiowi Joe Bidena w Ukrainie to byl doskonaly inwestycyjny wydatek.
a co to jest 33 mld hamerykanskie to jest 33 mln brókselskich
to jest kieszonkowe

tyle Zenki wydają na pizzę codziennie

Dziadek fatso probuje zaistniec - "patrzcie jaki ia ikonoklasta" - na smierci tysiecy cywilow na Ukraine, wlaczajac sie w Putinowski narratyw
ataku na poparcie Zachodu dla Ukrainy. Uzytecznych idiotow Rosji nie sieja:

- "owe 7 milionow $ lapowki wreczone synusiowi Joe Bidena w Ukrainie to byl doskonaly inwestycyjny wydatek."
fatso

- "moja sugestia ze wojska Rosji akceptuja wysokie straty wlasne bo chca redukowac ilosc zabitych cywilow "
Zwolan

- "No przecież w Abu Ghraib siły USA tylko jednego zabiły" ,"Biden jest w pełni gotowy walczyć z Rosjanami do ostatniego Ukraińca?"
A. Filip

- "Ukraińscy uchodźcy rzucali jedzeniem i odzieżą","Trwa UKRAINIZACJA Polski! To jest AMOK! My się temu sprzeciwiamy"
Zenon

- "wojnę w Ukrainie wywołali Amerykanie, a teraz chcą wszystko zwalić na Rosjan"
- "polskie kobiety powinny uważać na Ukrainki, które tu przyjechały, bo te zaraz zaczną uwodzić i odbijać im mężów"
ksiądz Jacek, benedyktyn z Tyńca, w czasie kazania

On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 17:41:47 -0700 (PDT), Piotr wrote:

> Dziadek fatso probuje zaistniec - "patrzcie jaki ia ikonoklasta" - na
> smierci tysiecy cywilow na Ukraine, wlaczajac sie w Putinowski narratyw
> ataku na poparcie Zachodu dla Ukrainy. Uzytecznych idiotow Rosji nie
> sieja:
>
> - "owe 7 milionow $ lapowki wreczone synusiowi Joe Bidena w Ukrainie to
> byl doskonaly inwestycyjny wydatek."
> fatso
>
> - "moja sugestia ze wojska Rosji akceptuja wysokie straty wlasne bo chca
> redukowac ilosc zabitych cywilow "
> Zwolan
>
> - "No przecież w Abu Ghraib siły USA tylko jednego zabiły" ,"Biden jest
> w pełni gotowy walczyć z Rosjanami do ostatniego Ukraińca?"
> A. Filip
>
> - "Ukraińscy uchodźcy rzucali jedzeniem i odzieżą","Trwa UKRAINIZACJA
> Polski! To jest AMOK! My się temu sprzeciwiamy"
> Zenon
>
> - "wojnę w Ukrainie wywołali Amerykanie, a teraz chcą wszystko zwalić na
> Rosjan"
> - "polskie kobiety powinny uważać na Ukrainki, które tu przyjechały, bo
> te zaraz zaczną uwodzić i odbijać im mężów"
> ksiądz Jacek, benedyktyn z Tyńca, w czasie kazania

widzisz Trela,gdziebys sie nie obrocil to kazdy rozumie ten geszeft

wiec mosku wyzej huja nie podskoczysz ukraincu-neostalinowcu

czwartek, 28 kwietnia 2022 o 18:11:43 UTC-4 fatso napisał(a):
Dumaju szto jemu i biez $$ uże PiSdziec:

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1519328170943655941/pu/vid/1280x720/an2fMbaXDUNIkjJC.mp4?tag=12

On Friday, 29 April 2022 at 05:22:00 UTC+1, narc...@gmail.com wrote:
> czwartek, 28 kwietnia 2022 o 18:11:43 UTC-4 fatso napisał(a):
> Dumaju szto jemu i biez $$ uże PiSdziec:
>
> https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1519328170943655941/pu/vid/1280x720/an2fMbaXDUNIkjJC.mp4?tag=12
Obiecanki-cacanki a glupiemu radosc. Czyli Putin chwalipieta co sie swoim chujem chwali a nic w gaciach nie ma.
Przypomne: Kaiser Wilhelm sto lat temu wojne swiatowa przegral nie dlatego, ze mu zabraklo miesa armatniego. Nie-tych roznych Mazurow, Wielkopolan i innych on mial pod dostatkiem. Jemu zabraklo po prostu Kapitalu. Pieniedzy.
Dlatego tez zwracam powyzej uwage Szan. Sciepowerstwa-owe 33 miliardy zielonych to nie w kij dmuchal. I Putin takiej forsy nie ma w banku. Bo idzie juz konfiskata pieniadza pelna para: 100 Miliardow kapitalow Banku Rosji zamrozone. Roman Abramowicz-Zyd Putina-stracil wlasnie >4 miliardy w banku na wyspie Jersey. I jak tu wojowac ze swiatem?

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 5:41:48 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:

> Uzytecznych idiotow Rosji nie sieja:
> - "moja sugestia ze wojska Rosji akceptuja wysokie straty wlasne bo chca redukowac ilosc zabitych cywilow "
> Zwolan
W poltora miesiaca wojny na Ukrainie od 24 lutego
do 6 kwietnia zginelo 1,611 cywilow, ...zas w Iraku
w pierwszym miesiacu wojny zginelo 3,977 cywilow
a w drugim miesiacu 3,438.

Iraq War 2003
Monthly civilian deaths:
March.... 3977
April....... 3438

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

Ukraine: civilian casualty update 7 April 2022
From 4 a.m. on 24 February 2022, when the Russian Federation’s armed attack against Ukraine started,
to 24:00 midnight on 6 April 2022 (local time), the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights
(OHCHR) recorded...1,611 killed... .

https://www.ohchr.org/en/news/2022/04/ukraine-civilian-casualty-update-7-april-2022

---------------

Wiec gdzie ten "uzyteczny idiota Rosji"
Zwolan, blednie sugerujacy ze Rosjanie
moga chciec redukowac ilosc zabitych
Ukraincow?

W fantazjujacej oszczerczej glowie Piotra Treli.

Basia (Ona/Jej)

On Friday, 29 April 2022 at 09:12:51 UTC+2, Basia wrote:
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 5:41:48 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
>
> > Uzytecznych idiotow Rosji nie sieja:
> > - "moja sugestia ze wojska Rosji akceptuja wysokie straty wlasne bo chca redukowac ilosc zabitych cywilow "
> > Zwolan
> W poltora miesiaca wojny na Ukrainie od 24 lutego
> do 6 kwietnia zginelo 1,611 cywilow, ...zas w Iraku
> w pierwszym miesiacu wojny zginelo 3,977 cywilow
> a w drugim miesiacu 3,438.
>
> Iraq War 2003
> Monthly civilian deaths:
> March.... 3977
> April....... 3438
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War
>
> Ukraine: civilian casualty update 7 April 2022
> From 4 a.m. on 24 February 2022, when the Russian Federation’s armed attack against Ukraine started,
> to 24:00 midnight on 6 April 2022 (local time), the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights
> (OHCHR) recorded...1,611 killed... .
>
> https://www.ohchr.org/en/news/2022/04/ukraine-civilian-casualty-update-7-april-2022
>
> ---------------
>
> Wiec gdzie ten "uzyteczny idiota Rosji"
> Zwolan, blednie sugerujacy ze Rosjanie
> moga chciec redukowac ilosc zabitych
> Ukraincow?
>
> W fantazjujacej oszczerczej glowie Piotra Treli.
>
> Basia (Ona/Jej)
Każdy wie, że ta kasa jest przeznaczona na zakup rooskiego gazu i ropy przez podstawione firmy trzecie
i gaz i ropa znów zdrożeją o 100%

On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 12:12:51 AM UTC-7, Basia wrote:
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 5:41:48 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
>
> > Uzytecznych idiotow Rosji nie sieja:
> > - "moja sugestia ze wojska Rosji akceptuja wysokie straty wlasne bo chca redukowac ilosc zabitych cywilow "
> > Zwolan
>
> W poltora miesiaca wojny na Ukrainie od 24 lutego
> do 6 kwietnia zginelo 1,611 cywilow, ...zas w Iraku
> w pierwszym miesiacu wojny zginelo 3,977 cywilow
> a w drugim miesiacu 3,438.
>
> Iraq War 2003
> Monthly civilian deaths:
> March.... 3977
> April....... 3438

W pierwsze poltora miesiaca wojny
w Iraku zabito okolo 5,700 cywilow.
3977+(3438/2)=5,696

Na Ukrainie 1611, czyli ponad 3 i pol raza mniej!!

5,696/1,611= 3.53

Nuuu, oszczerczy Trelo, jake sa szanse
ze to przypadek.
Trela:

> Uzytecznych idiotow Rosji nie sieja:
> "moja sugestia ze wojska Rosji akceptuja wysokie straty wlasne bo chca redukowac ilosc zabitych cywilow "
> Zwolan
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War
>
> Ukraine: civilian casualty update 7 April 2022
> From 4 a.m. on 24 February 2022, when the Russian Federation’s armed attack against Ukraine started,
> to 24:00 midnight on 6 April 2022 (local time), the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights
> (OHCHR) recorded...1,611 killed... .
>
> https://www.ohchr.org/en/news/2022/04/ukraine-civilian-casualty-update-7-april-2022
>
> ---------------
>
> Wiec gdzie ten "uzyteczny idiota Rosji"
> Zwolan, blednie sugerujacy ze Rosjanie
> moga chciec redukowac ilosc zabitych
> Ukraincow?
>
> W fantazjujacej oszczerczej glowie Piotra Treli.

Basia (Ona/Jej)

piątek, 29 kwietnia 2022 o 02:41:06 UTC-4 fatso napisał(a):
> On Friday, 29 April 2022 at 05:22:00 UTC+1, narc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > czwartek, 28 kwietnia 2022 o 18:11:43 UTC-4 fatso napisał(a):
> > Dumaju szto jemu i biez $$ uże PiSdziec:
> >
> > https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1519328170943655941/pu/vid/1280x720/an2fMbaXDUNIkjJC.mp4?tag=12
> Obiecanki-cacanki a glupiemu radosc. Czyli Putin chwalipieta co sie swoim chujem chwali a nic w gaciach nie ma.
> Przypomne: Kaiser Wilhelm sto lat temu wojne swiatowa przegral nie dlatego, ze mu zabraklo miesa armatniego. Nie-tych roznych Mazurow, Wielkopolan i innych on mial pod dostatkiem. Jemu zabraklo po prostu Kapitalu. Pieniedzy..
> Dlatego tez zwracam powyzej uwage Szan. Sciepowerstwa-owe 33 miliardy zielonych to nie w kij dmuchal. I Putin takiej forsy nie ma w banku. Bo idzie juz konfiskata pieniadza pelna para: 100 Miliardow kapitalow Banku Rosji zamrozone. Roman Abramowicz-Zyd Putina-stracil wlasnie >4 miliardy w banku na wyspie Jersey. I jak tu wojowac ze swiatem?
>
Wojna putyna jeszcze trochę potrwa dzięki takim chujom jak:
Uniper z Düsseldorfu, OMV z Wiednia i włoski koncern Eni, dystrybutorzy gazu na Niemcy, Austrię, Węgry, Włochy i na Słowację!
Te chuje planują otworzyć rachunki rublowe w Gazprombanku w Szwajcarii, aby spełnić żądanie Wovki co do płatności za gaz w rublach.
Nie wspomne o Kitaju...

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 3:11:43 PM UTC-7, fatso wrote:

> 33 miliardy$$ na pomoc dla Ukrainy to juz nie przelewki.

Propaganda od ponad dwu miesiecy
trabi o tym jak Ukraincy gromia Ruskich,
....a tu nagle taka siupryza potrzeba im
udzielic pomocy wojskowej w wysokosci
az 33 bilionow dolarow.

Basia (Ona/Jej)

piątek, 29 kwietnia 2022 o 02:41:06 UTC-4 fatso napisał(a):
> On Friday, 29 April 2022 at 05:22:00 UTC+1, narc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > czwartek, 28 kwietnia 2022 o 18:11:43 UTC-4 fatso napisał(a):
> > Dumaju szto jemu i biez $$ uże PiSdziec:
> >
> > https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1519328170943655941/pu/vid/1280x720/an2fMbaXDUNIkjJC.mp4?tag=12
> Obiecanki-cacanki a glupiemu radosc. Czyli Putin chwalipieta co sie swoim chujem chwali a nic w gaciach nie ma.
> Przypomne: Kaiser Wilhelm sto lat temu wojne swiatowa przegral nie dlatego, ze mu zabraklo miesa armatniego. Nie-tych roznych Mazurow, Wielkopolan i innych on mial pod dostatkiem. Jemu zabraklo po prostu Kapitalu. Pieniedzy..
> Dlatego tez zwracam powyzej uwage Szan. Sciepowerstwa-owe 33 miliardy zielonych to nie w kij dmuchal. I Putin takiej forsy nie ma w banku. Bo idzie juz konfiskata pieniadza pelna para: 100 Miliardow kapitalow Banku Rosji zamrozone. Roman Abramowicz-Zyd Putina-stracil wlasnie >4 miliardy w banku na wyspie Jersey. I jak tu wojowac ze swiatem?
>

Wovka zajebał się w kolano. Zamiast kwiatów, chleba i soli dostał od Ukraińców w ryj. Po tym co go spotkało i w obliczu kolejnych fiask obitej i skompromitowanej ruskiej armii, okradzionej przez oligarchów i swoich dowódców, już niewiele da się wycisnąć nawet największym zamordyzmem i poświęceniem kolejnych tysięcy żołnierzy Putyn nie osiągnie panowania nad Ukrainą, które obiecał Ruskim najeżdżając sąsiada.
Dziś, jutro i pojutrze dziadek Joe z Zachodem poświęcą ostatni nabój i dolara by KACAPIZM zlikwidować raz na zawsze!

Chwała Ukrainie!

https://ebd.cda.pl/620x395/103114551c?autostart=1

Ps. Ale, nie należy mówić hop, póki nie przeskoczysz.
Wovka - jeśli mu p. Parkinson pozwoli, może przypierdolić kilkoma Iskanderami z głowicami A w Warsiawkę, Berlin, Paryż i Londynek.
Szczur, zapędzony w zauek bez wyjścia, broni się.
O tym też trzeba pamiętać.

On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 4:42:51 AM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 5:41:48 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
>
> > Uzytecznych idiotow Rosji nie sieja:
> > - "moja sugestia ze wojska Rosji akceptuja wysokie straty wlasne bo chca redukowac ilosc zabitych cywilow "
> > Zwolan
> W poltora miesiaca wojny na Ukrainie od 24 lutego do 6 kwietnia zginelo 1,611 cywilow,

tych ktorych zachodni obserwatorzy mogli policzyc - czyli tam gdzie byli dopuszczeni. A wiec nie do masowych
grobow w Mariupolu i w reszcie ziem okupowanych przez Rosje, nie do tych pod gruzami blokow mieszkalnych,
nie tych spalanych w obwoznych krematoriach w Mariupolu, nie do tych grzebanych przez rodzine na skwerakch przydomowych i w ogrodkach przedszkoli, nie do tych "odfiltrowanych" w obozach selekcji i wywiezioych do
dalszej "przerobki" w Rosji.

Mordowanie cywilow w celu zalamania morale przeciwnika jest wrecz podstawowa metoda walki Rosji - stad 2 mln zamordowanych cywilow w Afganistanie, 250 tys. cywilow zamordowanych w Czeczenii, tysiace ? dziesiatki tysiecy? cywilow w bombardowanych przez Rosje miastach Syrii.

I tylko skonczony idiota kupilby kremlowski narratyw szlachetnej rosyjkiej armii, gotowej poswiecac swoich zolnierzy
aby tylko uchronic cywilow krajow, ktore Rosja napadla w celu obrony lub rozszerzania swoich geopolitycznych wplywow.

Ladies and Gentlemen - meet "the useful idiot of Putin:
" Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
Edward Zwolan

I guess that's why they painted on the rocket aimed at the Kramatorsk train station with 1000s of civilians trying to flee the war : "Za detey" - "For the Children". And why they tortured and executed civilians in Bucha, Irpien, "filtration camps" in Mariupol, and many other towns and villages of Ukraine they have INVADED
And that's why they killed a 26 year old woman, her mother and her 3 month old daughter, when her husband went to the market to buy Easter treats .....

Orwell is turning in his grave - the ministry of War calling itself the ministry of Peace, the invading army calling themselves peacemakers, killing women and children to ...save them ("For the Children:) , and inept army good
only in killing the civilians, claiming ... a noble sacrifice of its own soldiers just to save the civilians in the invaded country.

That the people WITHIN the Big Brother's country are brainwashed into believing that - is to be expected.
What is less obvious is, why would some OUTSIDE of this country paly along, those whom Lenin
called "useful idiots". There are two types there:

- ideological - those who are ideologically inclined to side with Russia - the right wing parties in Europe like National Front in France, AfD in Germany, Victor Orban in Hungary, Brexiters - as well as the extreme left who blames the West for everything (it is the West who forced Russia invade Ukraine).

- psychological cases - the conspiracy theorists those who need it to validate their ego - they like to think
of themselves as "fiercely independent minds": if everybody else got fooled by the Western propaganda
but not them, then they are smarter than everybody else and then perhaps ..... their lives are not as pathetic as they seem. Meet Eddie Zwolan, everyone.

==Piotr

Basia <abjjkst@sbcglobal.net> pisze:
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 5:41:48 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
>
>> Uzytecznych idiotow Rosji nie sieja:
>> - "moja sugestia ze wojska Rosji akceptuja wysokie straty wlasne bo chca redukowac ilosc zabitych cywilow "
>> Zwolan
>
> W poltora miesiaca wojny na Ukrainie od 24 lutego
> do 6 kwietnia zginelo 1,611 cywilow, ...zas w Iraku
> w pierwszym miesiacu wojny zginelo 3,977 cywilow
> a w drugim miesiacu 3,438.
>
> Iraq War 2003
> Monthly civilian deaths:
> March.... 3977
> April....... 3438
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War
>
> Ukraine: civilian casualty update 7 April 2022
> From 4 a.m. on 24 February 2022, when the Russian Federation’s armed attack against Ukraine started,
> to 24:00 midnight on 6 April 2022 (local time), the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights
> (OHCHR) recorded...1,611 killed... .
>
> https://www.ohchr.org/en/news/2022/04/ukraine-civilian-casualty-update-7-april-2022
>
> ---------------
>
> Wiec gdzie ten "uzyteczny idiota Rosji"
> Zwolan, blednie sugerujacy ze Rosjanie
> moga chciec redukowac ilosc zabitych
> Ukraincow?
>
> W fantazjujacej oszczerczej glowie Piotra Treli.
>
> Basia (Ona/Jej)

Irackich "zbrodni" republikanom _łatwo_ wybaczać nie będziemy? :-)
Bez takich "napomknień" za łatwo byłoby republikanom opierdalać
Bidena (D) za brak bezpośredniej militarnej reakcji.

IMHO/AFAIR USA *pokazowo spierdoliły* okupacje Iraku i zrobił się tam
dziki bliski wschód. Za śmierć sporej+ części tych cywili USA
odpowiadało *pośrednio*. Czasami odnosiłem wrażenie że to zrobienie tam
"krwawego burdelu w sosie własnym" było celem USA, celem pierwotnym albo
"zastępczym".

Gdyby USA miały armie z poboru to miałyby siły wystarczające na
*porządną* okupacje Iraku. Gdyby USA miały armie z poboru to raczej+ na
Irak by nie napadły za Busha-2.

--
A. Filip : Big (Tech) Brother is watching you.
| Strzeż się złej kobiety i nie ufaj dobrej.
| (Przysłowie hiszpańskie)

On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 06:27:16 -0700 (PDT), Piotr wrote:

>> W poltora miesiaca wojny na Ukrainie od 24 lutego do 6 kwietnia
>> zginelo 1,611 cywilow,
>
> tych ktorych zachodni obserwatorzy mogli policzyc - czyli tam gdzie
> byli dopuszczeni. A wiec nie do masowych grobow w Mariupolu i w reszcie
> ziem okupowanych przez Rosje, nie do tych pod gruzami blokow
> mieszkalnych, nie tych spalanych w obwoznych krematoriach w Mariupolu,
> nie do tych grzebanych przez rodzine na skwerakch przydomowych i w
> ogrodkach przedszkoli, nie do tych "odfiltrowanych" w obozach selekcji i
> wywiezioych do dalszej "przerobki" w Rosji.

trela przeprowadzil Oswiecim do Mariupola

On Friday, 29 April 2022 at 18:27:44 UTC+2, andal wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 06:27:16 -0700 (PDT), Piotr wrote:
>
> >> W poltora miesiaca wojny na Ukrainie od 24 lutego do 6 kwietnia
> >> zginelo 1,611 cywilow,
> >
> > tych ktorych zachodni obserwatorzy mogli policzyc - czyli tam gdzie
> > byli dopuszczeni. A wiec nie do masowych grobow w Mariupolu i w reszcie
> > ziem okupowanych przez Rosje, nie do tych pod gruzami blokow
> > mieszkalnych, nie tych spalanych w obwoznych krematoriach w Mariupolu,
> > nie do tych grzebanych przez rodzine na skwerakch przydomowych i w
> > ogrodkach przedszkoli, nie do tych "odfiltrowanych" w obozach selekcji i
> > wywiezioych do dalszej "przerobki" w Rosji.
> trela przeprowadzil Oswiecim do Mariupola
== spalanych w obwoznych krematoriach

P:rzecież ta obwoźna rura to jest komora do dezynfekcji ubrań, umundurowania, wynaleziona na czas zarazy w Hameryce, aby usuwac koronawirusy z odzieży.

Hamerykanie o tym pisali 2 lata temu.

Przeciez tam nie ma żadnego palnika, gazu, a na samochodzie nie wolno palic ognia., bo się cały samochód spali od ognia,
a w krematorium spalanie jednego trwa godzinę, a płomień jak w elektrowni
a potem jeszcze trzeba zmielic kości w mlynku , bo się nie spalają

On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 6:27:17 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 4:42:51 AM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 5:41:48 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> >
> > > Uzytecznych idiotow Rosji nie sieja:
> > > - "moja sugestia ze wojska Rosji akceptuja wysokie straty wlasne bo chca redukowac ilosc zabitych cywilow "
> > > Zwolan
>
> Ladies and Gentlemen - meet "the useful idiot of Putin:
> " Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> Edward Zwolan

In response to "Piotr Trela"s mischaracterizations
in both the Polish and English languages, I am
providing a link to a recent article that may be
of interest to his readers. The translation is
auto-generated.

https://www.wprost.pl/edukacja/10165250/nowe-przepisy-o-lustracji-na-uczelniach-moga-dotyczyc-nawet-kilku-tysiecy-osob.html

Science in Poland PAP

New regulations on lustration at universities. "They may concern even several thousand people"

The new regulations on lustration at universities may be felt by even several thousand people who cooperated with the security services during the Polish People's Republic - Deputy Minister of Science and Higher Education Piotr Müller said in an interview with PAP. In his opinion, universities need decommunization.

The Law on Higher Education and Science (Constitution for Science, Law 2.0), in force since October 1, 2018, provides for changes to the provisions on vetting at universities. Pursuant to the Act, a person who "did not work from July 22, 1944 to July 31, 1990, may become a member of the university council, a member of the university senate, a member of the Science Evaluation Committee, the Scientific Excellence Council, the Polish Accreditation Committee, or a titular professor" and did not serve in state security agencies (...) and did not cooperate with these authorities ”.

"Decommunization" at universities

Deputy Minister of Science and Higher Education Piotr Müller in an interview with PAP called these provisions "decommunizing". When asked whether decommunization is still needed at universities, he replied: "Without a doubt." He assessed that the introduction of new regulations "may be a stage of a delayed, but still settlement of, issues related to the functioning of the People's Republic of Poland".

When asked how many people the new regulations will make their academic career difficult, Piotr Müller commented: “We do not have such data, because we do not have a way to collect it. But I think it could even affect several thousand people in the country. " - The latest research by the Institute of National Remembrance shows that the environments at universities were very infiltrated and there were many people there who were secret collaborators - said the deputy minister.

The provisions related to vetting are to prevent the performance of important functions in higher education not only by lustration liars, but in general all persons who collaborated with the SB or were functionaries of these services. Persons applying for the positions listed in the Act will have to submit a lustration declaration. - If someone in such a statement writes that he was a secret SB officer, he will not be able to perform these important functions - said the deputy minister. And he added that if someone makes a false statement, they will be breaking the law.

He recalled that so far only a small group of people who applied for managerial positions were obliged to submit lustration declarations at universities. - There was not even awareness of the content of this lustration declaration - he assessed. According to him, the new regulations will result in the fact that people who cooperated with the SB will not want to perform managerial functions at all.

Not too late?

When asked if it made sense to introduce such legislation only now, he said yes. He calculated: - Suppose that in 1989 someone was 30 years old, had already made a career at the university and was an informer. Today, such a person is 59 years old. He still has many years of work at the university ahead of him. And people of that age often play a significant role in higher education, 'he said.

The deputy minister pointed out that the new lustration provisions did not apply to members of the Polish Academy of Sciences or management positions at the academy, because the Act does not cover the Polish Academy of Sciences. - Here, unfortunately, these new regulations do not apply. I say it with sadness - the interlocutor commented.

The provisions on the vetting of candidates for professors will enter into force on April 30, 2019. And the provisions on the vetting of candidates for managerial positions and newly elected members of university governing bodies have been in force since October this year.

Source: Science in Poland PAP

https://www.wprost.pl/edukacja/10165250/nowe-przepisy-o-lustracji-na-uczelniach-moga-dotyczyc-nawet-kilku-tysiecy-osob.html

A ja spedzilem wieczor przyjemnie ogladajac parade redaktorow u Lukaszki.
Tzn Parade Lgarzy. I stwierdzam ze owi zawodowi klamcy juz zauwazyli Lend-Lease Bidena.
Nazwali inwestycje USA w wolnosc slowem "kolosalna". Dalej nie komentuja ale to inteligentni ludzie. Zapewne juz masuja swe dupy lojem by tam pal latwiej wchodzil a co bystrzejsi pakuja walizki do Korei Grubego Kima.

On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:46:59 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 6:27:17 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 4:42:51 AM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 5:41:48 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > >
> > > > Uzytecznych idiotow Rosji nie sieja:
> > > > - "moja sugestia ze wojska Rosji akceptuja wysokie straty wlasne bo chca redukowac ilosc zabitych cywilow "
> > > > Zwolan
> >
> > Ladies and Gentlemen - meet "the useful idiot of Putin:
> > " Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> > Edward Zwolan
> In response to "Piotr Trela"s mischaracterizations in both the Polish and English languages

How exactly QUOTING somebody may be a "mischaracterization" of the AUTHOR of this QUOTE?
All anybody needs to know about Edward Zwolan are the ... Edward Zwolan's WORDS on the Putin's army
attitude toward the Ukrainian civilians:

" Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
Edward Zwolan

Everybody who watched the handiwork of that noble Russian Army in Bucha, Irpien , Kramatorsk, Mariupol -
now knows something about what kind of person Edward Zwolan is. You are what you write.

As for the reasons why he is what he is - I have offered my falsifiable argument. Mr Zwolan. just in case, deleted it .
But Zwolan cuts, I can paste back, so everybody could decide who if us too is right. In case of doubt -
use the Occams razor:

Edward Zwolan:
" Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"

me: " guess that's why they painted on the rocket aimed at the Kramatorsk train station with 1000s of civilians trying to flee the war : "Za detey" - "For the Children". And why they tortured and executed civilians in Bucha, Irpien, "filtration camps" in Mariupol, and many other towns and villages of Ukraine they have INVADED.

Orwell is turning in his grave - the ministry of War calling itself the ministry of Peace, the invading army, calling themselves peacemakers,
kills the very same women and children it came to ...save ("For the Children:) , and inept army good only in killing the civilians,
claiming ... a noble sacrifice of its own soldiers just to save the civilians in the invaded country.

That the people WITHIN the Big Brother's country are brainwashed into believing that - is to be expected. What is less obvious is: why would
some OUTSIDE of Russia play along, those whom Lenin called "useful idiots".. There are two types there:

- ideological - those who are ideologically inclined to side with Russia - the right wing parties in Europe like National Front in France,
AfD in Germany, Victor Orban in Hungary, Brexiters - as well as the extreme left who blames the West for everything (it is the West
who forced Russia invade Ukraine).

- psychological cases - the conspiracy theorists those who need it to validate their ego - they like to think
of themselves as "fiercely independent minds": if everybody else got fooled by the Western propaganda
but not them, then they are smarter than everybody else and then perhaps ..... their lives are not as pathetic as they seem.
Meet Eddie Zwolan, everyone."

Edward Zwolan: calls the above "mischaracterizations" and ... deletes without showing a single example of the said mischaracterizations.

And if somebody questioned whether this discussion alone is ENOUGH to argue that Mr Zwolan is here to validate his ego
('if everybody else got fooled by the Western propaganda but not him, he is smarter than everybody else and then perhaps .... his life are not as pathetic as it seems') this is far from the only case. Here is another example (from a rather long list):

Edward Zwolan speaking up on "1,200 women were reportedly sexually assaulted during the 2015–16 public New Year's Eve's celebrations in Germany, in most cases by men of non-European origin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany):
- The prevailing view: sexual assault of women by gangs of men - bad.
- Edward Zwolan's take:
a) calling the sexually assaulted women: "depraved German bitches", "whores", "German whores in search of colored penises" ,
"depraved German [women]",

b) admiring the presumed sizes of the molesters penises and portraying them as "victims of depraved German whores":
- "Virile randy Semites"
- "victims of the depraved German whores "
- "I am afraid that the Semites with long .... [ "colored phalluses" ] objectively are in the right!"
- "nothing but negativity toward these virile Semites, the public prejudiced against them. But Basia [Ed Zwolan's feminine
Internet handle] says: "Hola!""

Edward Zwolan, everybody.

I'll leave it to the reader to draw from these words their own "mischaracterizations" of Mr. Zwolan...
==Piotr

On Saturday, 30 April 2022 at 16:38:10 UTC+2, Piotr wrote:
> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:46:59 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 6:27:17 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 4:42:51 AM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 5:41:48 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Uzytecznych idiotow Rosji nie sieja:
> > > > > - "moja sugestia ze wojska Rosji akceptuja wysokie straty wlasne bo chca redukowac ilosc zabitych cywilow "
> > > > > Zwolan
> > >
> > > Ladies and Gentlemen - meet "the useful idiot of Putin:
> > > " Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> > > Edward Zwolan
> > In response to "Piotr Trela"s mischaracterizations in both the Polish and English languages
> How exactly QUOTING somebody may be a "mischaracterization" of the AUTHOR of this QUOTE?
> All anybody needs to know about Edward Zwolan are the ... Edward Zwolan's WORDS on the Putin's army
> attitude toward the Ukrainian civilians:
> " Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> Edward Zwolan
> Everybody who watched the handiwork of that noble Russian Army in Bucha, Irpien , Kramatorsk, Mariupol -
> now knows something about what kind of person Edward Zwolan is. You are what you write.
>
> As for the reasons why he is what he is - I have offered my falsifiable argument. Mr Zwolan. just in case, deleted it .
> But Zwolan cuts, I can paste back, so everybody could decide who if us too is right. In case of doubt -
> use the Occams razor:
>
> Edward Zwolan:
> " Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> me: " guess that's why they painted on the rocket aimed at the Kramatorsk train station with 1000s of civilians trying to flee the war : "Za detey" - "For the Children". And why they tortured and executed civilians in Bucha, Irpien, "filtration camps" in Mariupol, and many other towns and villages of Ukraine they have INVADED.
>
> Orwell is turning in his grave - the ministry of War calling itself the ministry of Peace, the invading army, calling themselves peacemakers,
> kills the very same women and children it came to ...save ("For the Children:) , and inept army good only in killing the civilians,
> claiming ... a noble sacrifice of its own soldiers just to save the civilians in the invaded country.
> That the people WITHIN the Big Brother's country are brainwashed into believing that - is to be expected. What is less obvious is: why would
> some OUTSIDE of Russia play along, those whom Lenin called "useful idiots". There are two types there:
> - ideological - those who are ideologically inclined to side with Russia - the right wing parties in Europe like National Front in France,
> AfD in Germany, Victor Orban in Hungary, Brexiters - as well as the extreme left who blames the West for everything (it is the West
> who forced Russia invade Ukraine).
>
> - psychological cases - the conspiracy theorists those who need it to validate their ego - they like to think
> of themselves as "fiercely independent minds": if everybody else got fooled by the Western propaganda
> but not them, then they are smarter than everybody else and then perhaps ..... their lives are not as pathetic as they seem.
> Meet Eddie Zwolan, everyone."
> Edward Zwolan: calls the above "mischaracterizations" and ... deletes without showing a single example of the said mischaracterizations.
>
> And if somebody questioned whether this discussion alone is ENOUGH to argue that Mr Zwolan is here to validate his ego
> ('if everybody else got fooled by the Western propaganda but not him, he is smarter than everybody else and then perhaps .... his life are not as pathetic as it seems') this is far from the only case. Here is another example (from a rather long list):
>
> Edward Zwolan speaking up on "1,200 women were reportedly sexually assaulted during the 2015–16 public New Year's Eve's celebrations in Germany, in most cases by men of non-European origin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany):
>
> - The prevailing view: sexual assault of women by gangs of men - bad.
> - Edward Zwolan's take:
> a) calling the sexually assaulted women: "depraved German bitches", "whores", "German whores in search of colored penises" ,
> "depraved German [women]",
>
> b) admiring the presumed sizes of the molesters penises and portraying them as "victims of depraved German whores":
> - "Virile randy Semites"
> - "victims of the depraved German whores "
> - "I am afraid that the Semites with long .... [ "colored phalluses" ] objectively are in the right!"
> - "nothing but negativity toward these virile Semites, the public prejudiced against them. But Basia [Ed Zwolan's feminine
> Internet handle] says: "Hola!""
>
> Edward Zwolan, everybody.
>
> I'll leave it to the reader to draw from these words their own "mischaracterizations" of Mr. Zwolan...
> ===
> Piotr
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On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 7:38:10 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:46:59 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
>
> Edward Zwolan, everybody.
>
> I'll leave it to the reader to draw from these words their own "mischaracterizations" of Mr. Zwolan...
> ===
> Piotr

Please do, here is official data:

Iraq War 2003
Monthly civilian deaths:
March.... 3977
April....... 3438

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

Ukraine: civilian casualty update 7 April 2022
From 4 a.m. on 24 February 2022, when the Russian Federation’s armed attack against Ukraine started,
to 24:00 midnight on 6 April 2022 (local time), the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights
(OHCHR) recorded...1,611 killed... .

https://www.ohchr.org/en/news/2022/04/ukraine-civilian-casualty-update-7-april-2022

In the first month and a half civilian deaths
in Ukraine are 3.5 times lower than in Iraq.

Iraq, first 1.5 months: 3977+(3438/2)=5,696
Ukraine, first 1.5 months: 1,611

5,696/1,611= 3.53

3.53 lower death ratio in Ukraine given official
statistics.

Please provide credible data to argue this number
and stop mischaracterizing people who rely
on official data and sources UN High Commissioner
for Human Rights.

"In response to "Piotr Trela"s mischaracterizations
in both the Polish and English languages, I am
providing a link to a recent article that may be
of interest to his readers. The translation is
auto-generated."

https://www.wprost.pl/edukacja/10165250/nowe-przepisy-o-lustracji-na-uczelniach-moga-dotyczyc-nawet-kilku-tysiecy-osob.html

Science in Poland PAP

New regulations on lustration at universities. "They may concern even several thousand people"

The new regulations on lustration at universities may be felt by even several thousand people who cooperated with the security services during the Polish People's Republic - Deputy Minister of Science and Higher Education Piotr Müller said in an interview with PAP. In his opinion, universities need decommunization.

The Law on Higher Education and Science (Constitution for Science, Law 2.0), in force since October 1, 2018, provides for changes to the provisions on vetting at universities. Pursuant to the Act, a person who "did not work from July 22, 1944 to July 31, 1990, may become a member of the university council, a member of the university senate, a member of the Science Evaluation Committee, the Scientific Excellence Council, the Polish Accreditation Committee, or a titular professor" and did not serve in state security agencies (...) and did not cooperate with these authorities ”.

"Decommunization" at universities

Deputy Minister of Science and Higher Education Piotr Müller in an interview with PAP called these provisions "decommunizing". When asked whether decommunization is still needed at universities, he replied: "Without a doubt." He assessed that the introduction of new regulations "may be a stage of a delayed, but still settlement of, issues related to the functioning of the People's Republic of Poland".

When asked how many people the new regulations will make their academic career difficult, Piotr Müller commented: “We do not have such data, because we do not have a way to collect it. But I think it could even affect several thousand people in the country. " - The latest research by the Institute of National Remembrance shows that the environments at universities were very infiltrated and there were many people there who were secret collaborators - said the deputy minister.

The provisions related to vetting are to prevent the performance of important functions in higher education not only by lustration liars, but in general all persons who collaborated with the SB or were functionaries of these services. Persons applying for the positions listed in the Act will have to submit a lustration declaration. - If someone in such a statement writes that he was a secret SB officer, he will not be able to perform these important functions - said the deputy minister. And he added that if someone makes a false statement, they will be breaking the law.

He recalled that so far only a small group of people who applied for managerial positions were obliged to submit lustration declarations at universities. - There was not even awareness of the content of this lustration declaration - he assessed. According to him, the new regulations will result in the fact that people who cooperated with the SB will not want to perform managerial functions at all.

Not too late?

When asked if it made sense to introduce such legislation only now, he said yes. He calculated: - Suppose that in 1989 someone was 30 years old, had already made a career at the university and was an informer. Today, such a person is 59 years old. He still has many years of work at the university ahead of him. And people of that age often play a significant role in higher education, 'he said.

The deputy minister pointed out that the new lustration provisions did not apply to members of the Polish Academy of Sciences or management positions at the academy, because the Act does not cover the Polish Academy of Sciences. - Here, unfortunately, these new regulations do not apply. I say it with sadness - the interlocutor commented.

The provisions on the vetting of candidates for professors will enter into force on April 30, 2019. And the provisions on the vetting of candidates for managerial positions and newly elected members of university governing bodies have been in force since October this year.

Source: Science in Poland PAP

https://www.wprost.pl/edukacja/10165250/nowe-przepisy-o-lustracji-na-uczelniach-moga-dotyczyc-nawet-kilku-tysiecy-osob.html

On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 8:04:35 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 7:38:10 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:46:59 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> >
> > Edward Zwolan, everybody.
> >
> > I'll leave it to the reader to draw from these words their own "mischaracterizations" of Mr. Zwolan...
> > ===
> > Piotr
> Please do, here is official data:
> Iraq War 2003
> Monthly civilian deaths:
> March.... 3977
> April....... 3438

and this is supposed to prove ... that I "misrepresentated" your views by ... quoting your words, namely:
"Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
Edward Zwolan

My falsfiable argument on what your own words say about you - the same as before the deletion by you:
Piotr's profile photo
Piotr
12:08 PM (8 hours ago)
to
On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:46:59 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 6:27:17 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 4:42:51 AM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 5:41:48 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > >
> > > > Uzytecznych idiotow Rosji nie sieja:
> > > > - "moja sugestia ze wojska Rosji akceptuja wysokie straty wlasne bo chca redukowac ilosc zabitych cywilow "
> > > > Zwolan
> >
> > Ladies and Gentlemen - meet "the useful idiot of Putin:
> > " Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"

Edward Zwolan
"In response to "Piotr Trela"s mischaracterizations in both the Polish and English languages {he wrote about ...something else] "

me: How exactly QUOTING somebody may be a "mischaracterization" of the AUTHOR of this QUOTE?
All anybody needs to know about Edward Zwolan are the ... Edward Zwolan's WORDS on the Putin's army attitude toward the Ukrainian civilians:
" Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
Edward Zwolan

Everybody who watched the handiwork of that noble Russian Army in Bucha, Irpien , Kramatorsk, Mariupol - now knows something about what kind of person Edward Zwolan is. You are what you write.

As for the reasons why he is what he is - I have offered my falsifiable argument. Mr Zwolan. just in case, deleted it . But what Zwolan cut out, I can paste back, so everybody could decide who if us too is right. In case of doubt - use the Occams razor:

Edward Zwolan:
" Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"

me: " guess that's why they painted on the rocket aimed at the Kramatorsk train station with 1000s of civilians trying to flee the war : "Za detey" - "For the Children". And why they tortured and executed civilians in Bucha, Irpien, "filtration camps" in Mariupol, and many other towns and villages of Ukraine they have INVADED.

Orwell is turning in his grave - the ministry of War calling itself the ministry of Peace, the invading army, calling themselves peacemakers,
kills the very same women and children it came to ...save ("For the Children:) , and inept army good only in killing the civilians,
claiming ... a noble sacrifice of its own soldiers just to save the civilians in the invaded country.

That the people WITHIN the Big Brother's country are brainwashed into believing that - is to be expected. What is less obvious is: why would
some OUTSIDE of Russia play along, those whom Lenin called "useful idiots". There are two types there:

- ideological - those who are ideologically inclined to side with Russia - the right wing parties in Europe like National Front in France,
AfD in Germany, Victor Orban in Hungary, Brexiters - as well as the extreme left who blames the West for everything (it is the West
who forced Russia invade Ukraine).

- psychological cases - the conspiracy theorists those who need it to validate their ego - they like to think
of themselves as "fiercely independent minds": if everybody else got fooled by the Western propaganda
but not them, then they are smarter than everybody else and then perhaps ..... their lives are not as pathetic as they seem.
Meet Eddie Zwolan, everyone."

Edward Zwolan: calls the above "mischaracterizations" and ... deletes without showing a single example of the said mischaracterizations.

And if somebody questioned whether this discussion alone is ENOUGH to argue that Mr Zwolan is here to validate his ego
('if everybody else got fooled by the Western propaganda but not him, he is smarter than everybody else and then perhaps .... his life are not as pathetic as it seems') this is far from the only case. Here is another example (from a rather long list):

Edward Zwolan speaking up on "1,200 women were reportedly sexually assaulted during the 2015–16 public New Year's Eve's celebrations in Germany, in most cases by men of non-European origin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany):

- The prevailing view: sexual assault of women by gangs of men - bad.
- Edward Zwolan's take:
a) calling the sexually assaulted women: "depraved German bitches", "whores", "German whores in search of colored penises" ,
"depraved German [women]",

b) admiring the presumed sizes of the molesters penises and portraying them as "victims of depraved German whores":
- "Virile randy Semites"
- "victims of the depraved German whores "
- "I am afraid that the Semites with long .... [ "colored phalluses" ] objectively are in the right!"
- "nothing but negativity toward these virile Semites, the public prejudiced against them. But Basia [Ed Zwolan's feminine
Internet handle] says: "Hola!""

Edward Zwolan, everybody.

On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 6:21:57 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 8:04:35 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 7:38:10 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:46:59 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > >
> > > Edward Zwolan, everybody.
> > >
> > > I'll leave it to the reader to draw from these words their own "mischaracterizations" of Mr. Zwolan...
> > > ===
> > > Piotr
> > Please do, here is official data:
> > Iraq War 2003
> > Monthly civilian deaths:
> > March.... 3977
> > April....... 3438
> and this is supposed to prove ... that I "misrepresentated" your views by ... quoting your words, namely:
> "Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> Edward Zwolan
> My falsfiable argument on what your own words say about you - the same as before the deletion by you:
> Piotr's profile photo
> Piotr
> 12:08 PM (8 hours ago)
> to
> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:46:59 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 6:27:17 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 4:42:51 AM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 5:41:48 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Uzytecznych idiotow Rosji nie sieja:
> > > > > - "moja sugestia ze wojska Rosji akceptuja wysokie straty wlasne bo chca redukowac ilosc zabitych cywilow "
> > > > > Zwolan
> > >
> > > Ladies and Gentlemen - meet "the useful idiot of Putin:
> > > " Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
>
>
> Edward Zwolan
> "In response to "Piotr Trela"s mischaracterizations in both the Polish and English languages {he wrote about ...something else] "
>
> me: How exactly QUOTING somebody may be a "mischaracterization" of the AUTHOR of this QUOTE?
> All anybody needs to know about Edward Zwolan are the ... Edward Zwolan's WORDS on the Putin's army attitude toward the Ukrainian civilians:
> " Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> Edward Zwolan
>
> Everybody who watched the handiwork of that noble Russian Army in Bucha, Irpien , Kramatorsk, Mariupol - now knows something about what kind of person Edward Zwolan is. You are what you write.
> As for the reasons why he is what he is - I have offered my falsifiable argument. Mr Zwolan. just in case, deleted it . But what Zwolan cut out, I can paste back, so everybody could decide who if us too is right. In case of doubt - use the Occams razor:
> Edward Zwolan:
> " Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
>
> me: " guess that's why they painted on the rocket aimed at the Kramatorsk train station with 1000s of civilians trying to flee the war : "Za detey" - "For the Children". And why they tortured and executed civilians in Bucha, Irpien, "filtration camps" in Mariupol, and many other towns and villages of Ukraine they have INVADED.
>
> Orwell is turning in his grave - the ministry of War calling itself the ministry of Peace, the invading army, calling themselves peacemakers,
> kills the very same women and children it came to ...save ("For the Children:) , and inept army good only in killing the civilians,
> claiming ... a noble sacrifice of its own soldiers just to save the civilians in the invaded country.
>
> That the people WITHIN the Big Brother's country are brainwashed into believing that - is to be expected. What is less obvious is: why would
> some OUTSIDE of Russia play along, those whom Lenin called "useful idiots". There are two types there:
>
> - ideological - those who are ideologically inclined to side with Russia - the right wing parties in Europe like National Front in France,
> AfD in Germany, Victor Orban in Hungary, Brexiters - as well as the extreme left who blames the West for everything (it is the West
> who forced Russia invade Ukraine).
>
> - psychological cases - the conspiracy theorists those who need it to validate their ego - they like to think
> of themselves as "fiercely independent minds": if everybody else got fooled by the Western propaganda
> but not them, then they are smarter than everybody else and then perhaps ..... their lives are not as pathetic as they seem.
> Meet Eddie Zwolan, everyone."
>
> Edward Zwolan: calls the above "mischaracterizations" and ... deletes without showing a single example of the said mischaracterizations.
>
> And if somebody questioned whether this discussion alone is ENOUGH to argue that Mr Zwolan is here to validate his ego
> ('if everybody else got fooled by the Western propaganda but not him, he is smarter than everybody else and then perhaps .... his life are not as pathetic as it seems') this is far from the only case. Here is another example (from a rather long list):
>
> Edward Zwolan speaking up on "1,200 women were reportedly sexually assaulted during the 2015–16 public New Year's Eve's celebrations in Germany, in most cases by men of non-European origin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany):
>
> - The prevailing view: sexual assault of women by gangs of men - bad.
> - Edward Zwolan's take:
> a) calling the sexually assaulted women: "depraved German bitches", "whores", "German whores in search of colored penises" ,
> "depraved German [women]",
>
> b) admiring the presumed sizes of the molesters penises and portraying them as "victims of depraved German whores":
> - "Virile randy Semites"
> - "victims of the depraved German whores "
> - "I am afraid that the Semites with long .... [ "colored phalluses" ] objectively are in the right!"
> - "nothing but negativity toward these virile Semites, the public prejudiced against them. But Basia [Ed Zwolan's feminine
> Internet handle] says: "Hola!""
>
> Edward Zwolan, everybody.

In response to "Piotr Trela"s continued
mischaracterizations and insults, in both
the Polish and English languages, I am
providing some background information
about this individual (a future translated
version is upcoming), and a link to a recent
Polish article that may be of interest to his
readers.

1. Piotr od malego dziecka byl wychowankiem
ideologicznych komunistow Jaskotow.

2. Kazimierz Jaskot byl rektorem Czerwonego
uniwersytetu kompletnie spenetrowanego przez
SB'ecje gdzie donosicielstwo i szykany SB'eckie
oraz wyrzucanie ze studiow byly codziennoscia.

3. Piotr byl prosperujacym pracownikiem tego
wlasnie SB'eckiego Uniwersytetu i znajdowal
zatrudnienie w Zakladzie Teledetekcji specjalizujacym
sie w przeroznych formach elektronicznego nasluchu.

4. Gdy Piotr byl jeszcze studentem w Gdansku
jego wspol lokatorzy w akademickim pokoju
wpadali denuncjowani w rece SB'ecji, pozniej
skazywani byli na wieloletnie wyroki wiezienia.

5. Piotr bral udzial w licznych protestach
i zadymach przeciwko komunie, min. w Gdansku,
ale w obliczu milicyjnych lapanek nie uciekal!
Gdzie inni ryzykowali zdrowiem a nawet zyciem
by nie zostac pojmanym przez ZOMO, Piotr
pozostawal w miejscu.

6. Piotr klamie twierdzac ze nie widzial na
oczy Jaskota, Rektora uniwersytetu na ktorym
byl pracownikiem naukowym (Uniwersytet Szczecinski
liczyl wtedy niewiele ponad 50 osob lokalnego
grona pedagogicznego).

7. Piotr Trela nawet dzisiaj grozi swoim oponentom
donosicielstwem (patrz cytat grozba donosu
oraz pobicia, "skucia mordy," w wypadku powrotu
do Polski!)

8. Piotr nie chce udzielic odpowiedzi na proste
pytania z ktorymi nikt na emigranckiej grupie
spolecznosciowej nie ma najmniejszego problemu
- przywoluje prawo przestepcow do nie-samo-inkryminacji.

9. Piotr w pierwszym swoim tekscie opublikowanym na
Zachodzie zawarl donos. Poinformowal kanadyjska
publike ze Komunisci w Polsce nie sa prawdziwymi
Marksistami-Leninistami.

10. Piotr w przeciagu 27 lat dzialalnosci na grupie
dyskusyjnej soc.culture.polish napisal tysiace
reply'ow ale samemu nie otworzyl wiecej nizeli
kilkudziesieciu wlasnych watkow. Wiekszosc
dopiero wtedy gdy zostalo to zauwazone w
2016 roku, i zostala mu zwrocona uwaga.
Donosiciel, jego przelozeni, nie sa zainteresowani
przekazywaniem wlasnych opinii a gromadzeniem
cudzych.

11. Piotr od lat ulatwia prace donosicielom
ograniczajac swobode wypowiedzi w internecie;
pietnujac anonimowosc oraz domagajac sie by
wszyscy Internauci podpisywali sie swoimi
prawdziwymi imionami i nazwiskami.

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 1:27:54 AM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 6:21:57 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 8:04:35 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 7:38:10 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:46:59 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Edward Zwolan, everybody.
> > > >
> > > > I'll leave it to the reader to draw from these words their own "mischaracterizations" of Mr. Zwolan...
> > > > ===
> > > > Piotr
> > > Please do, here is official data:
> > > Iraq War 2003
> > > Monthly civilian deaths:
> > > March.... 3977
> > > April....... 3438
> > and this is supposed to prove ... that I "misrepresentated" your views by ... quoting your words, namely:
> > "Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> > Edward Zwolan
> > My falsfiable argument on what your own words say about you - the same as before the deletion by you:
> > Piotr's profile photo
> > Piotr
> > 12:08 PM (8 hours ago)
> > to
> > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:46:59 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 6:27:17 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 4:42:51 AM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 5:41:48 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Uzytecznych idiotow Rosji nie sieja:
> > > > > > - "moja sugestia ze wojska Rosji akceptuja wysokie straty wlasne bo chca redukowac ilosc zabitych cywilow "
> > > > > > Zwolan
> > > >
> > > > Ladies and Gentlemen - meet "the useful idiot of Putin:
> > > > " Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> >
> >
> > Edward Zwolan
> > "In response to "Piotr Trela"s mischaracterizations in both the Polish and English languages {he wrote about ...something else] "
> >
> > me: How exactly QUOTING somebody may be a "mischaracterization" of the AUTHOR of this QUOTE?
> > All anybody needs to know about Edward Zwolan are the ... Edward Zwolan's WORDS on the Putin's army attitude toward the Ukrainian civilians:
> > " Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> > Edward Zwolan
> >
> > Everybody who watched the handiwork of that noble Russian Army in Bucha, Irpien , Kramatorsk, Mariupol - now knows something about what kind of person Edward Zwolan is. You are what you write.
> > As for the reasons why he is what he is - I have offered my falsifiable argument. Mr Zwolan. just in case, deleted it . But what Zwolan cut out, I can paste back, so everybody could decide who if us too is right. In case of doubt - use the Occams razor:
> > Edward Zwolan:
> > " Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> >
> > me: " guess that's why they painted on the rocket aimed at the Kramatorsk train station with 1000s of civilians trying to flee the war : "Za detey" - "For the Children". And why they tortured and executed civilians in Bucha, Irpien, "filtration camps" in Mariupol, and many other towns and villages of Ukraine they have INVADED.
> >
> > Orwell is turning in his grave - the ministry of War calling itself the ministry of Peace, the invading army, calling themselves peacemakers,
> > kills the very same women and children it came to ...save ("For the Children:) , and inept army good only in killing the civilians,
> > claiming ... a noble sacrifice of its own soldiers just to save the civilians in the invaded country.
> >
> > That the people WITHIN the Big Brother's country are brainwashed into believing that - is to be expected. What is less obvious is: why would
> > some OUTSIDE of Russia play along, those whom Lenin called "useful idiots". There are two types there:
> >
> > - ideological - those who are ideologically inclined to side with Russia - the right wing parties in Europe like National Front in France,
> > AfD in Germany, Victor Orban in Hungary, Brexiters - as well as the extreme left who blames the West for everything (it is the West
> > who forced Russia invade Ukraine).
> >
> > - psychological cases - the conspiracy theorists those who need it to validate their ego - they like to think
> > of themselves as "fiercely independent minds": if everybody else got fooled by the Western propaganda
> > but not them, then they are smarter than everybody else and then perhaps .... their lives are not as pathetic as they seem.
> > Meet Eddie Zwolan, everyone."
> >
> > Edward Zwolan: calls the above "mischaracterizations" and ... deletes without showing a single example of the said mischaracterizations.
> >
> > And if somebody questioned whether this discussion alone is ENOUGH to argue that Mr Zwolan is here to validate his ego
> > ('if everybody else got fooled by the Western propaganda but not him, he is smarter than everybody else and then perhaps .... his life are not as pathetic as it seems') this is far from the only case. Here is another example (from a rather long list):
> >
> > Edward Zwolan speaking up on "1,200 women were reportedly sexually assaulted during the 2015–16 public New Year's Eve's celebrations in Germany, in most cases by men of non-European origin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany):
> >
> > - The prevailing view: sexual assault of women by gangs of men - bad.
> > - Edward Zwolan's take:
> > a) calling the sexually assaulted women: "depraved German bitches", "whores", "German whores in search of colored penises" ,
> > "depraved German [women]",
> >
> > b) admiring the presumed sizes of the molesters penises and portraying them as "victims of depraved German whores":
> > - "Virile randy Semites"
> > - "victims of the depraved German whores "
> > - "I am afraid that the Semites with long .... [ "colored phalluses" ] objectively are in the right!"
> > - "nothing but negativity toward these virile Semites, the public prejudiced against them. But Basia [Ed Zwolan's feminine
> > Internet handle] says: "Hola!""
> >
> > Edward Zwolan, everybody.
> In response to "Piotr Trela"s continued
> mischaracterizations and insults, in both
> the Polish and English languages, I am
> providing some background information
> about this individual (a future translated
> version is upcoming), and a link to a recent
> Polish article that may be of interest to his
> readers.

If QUOTING Edward Zwolan amounts to "mischaracterizations and insults"
what does it say about the author of the quoted words?

> 1. Piotr od malego dziecka byl wychowankiem
> ideologicznych komunistow Jaskotow.

By their own words you shall know them, not by the delusionary claims iof their opponents
- for delusions: see for instance Edward Zwolan accusing me of working for the scerte police
by using the (not-installed yet) antenna for satellite SST (Sea Surface Temperature) data
to ... listen up on the .... stationary telephone calls by the Polish anti-Communist opposition.

And this is Edward Zwolan IN HIS OWN words:

- Edward Zwolan, after Bucha, Irpien, Kramators and Mariupol:
"Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"

- Edward Zwolan on "1,200 women reportedly sexually assaulted during the 2015–16 public New Year's Eve's celebrations in Germany, in most cases by men of non-European origin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany):migrant men

- "depraved German bitches",
- "whores",
- "German whores in search of colored penises" ,
- "depraved German [women]",
Edward Zwolan

and admiring the presumed sizes of the molesters penises, and portraying the molesters
as "victims of depraved German whores":
- "Virile randy Semites"
- "victims of the depraved German whores "
- "I am afraid that the Semites with long .... [ "colored phalluses" ] objectively are in the right!"
- "nothing but negativity toward these virile Semites, the public prejudiced against them. But Basia [Ed Zwolan's feminine
Internet handle] says: "Hola!""
Edward Zwolan

On Sunday, 1 May 2022 at 17:07:15 UTC+2, Piotr wrote:
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 1:27:54 AM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 6:21:57 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 8:04:35 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 7:38:10 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:46:59 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Edward Zwolan, everybody.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll leave it to the reader to draw from these words their own "mischaracterizations" of Mr. Zwolan...
> > > > > ===
> > > > > Piotr
> > > > Please do, here is official data:
> > > > Iraq War 2003
> > > > Monthly civilian deaths:
> > > > March.... 3977
> > > > April....... 3438
> > > and this is supposed to prove ... that I "misrepresentated" your views by ... quoting your words, namely:
> > > "Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> > > Edward Zwolan
> > > My falsfiable argument on what your own words say about you - the same as before the deletion by you:
> > > Piotr's profile photo
> > > Piotr
> > > 12:08 PM (8 hours ago)
> > > to
> > > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:46:59 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 6:27:17 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 4:42:51 AM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 5:41:48 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Uzytecznych idiotow Rosji nie sieja:
> > > > > > > - "moja sugestia ze wojska Rosji akceptuja wysokie straty wlasne bo chca redukowac ilosc zabitych cywilow "
> > > > > > > Zwolan
> > > > >
> > > > > Ladies and Gentlemen - meet "the useful idiot of Putin:
> > > > > " Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> > >
> > >
> > > Edward Zwolan
> > > "In response to "Piotr Trela"s mischaracterizations in both the Polish and English languages {he wrote about ...something else] "
> > >
> > > me: How exactly QUOTING somebody may be a "mischaracterization" of the AUTHOR of this QUOTE?
> > > All anybody needs to know about Edward Zwolan are the ... Edward Zwolan's WORDS on the Putin's army attitude toward the Ukrainian civilians:
> > > " Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> > > Edward Zwolan
> > >
> > > Everybody who watched the handiwork of that noble Russian Army in Bucha, Irpien , Kramatorsk, Mariupol - now knows something about what kind of person Edward Zwolan is. You are what you write.
> > > As for the reasons why he is what he is - I have offered my falsifiable argument. Mr Zwolan. just in case, deleted it . But what Zwolan cut out, I can paste back, so everybody could decide who if us too is right. In case of doubt - use the Occams razor:
> > > Edward Zwolan:
> > > " Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> > >
> > > me: " guess that's why they painted on the rocket aimed at the Kramatorsk train station with 1000s of civilians trying to flee the war : "Za detey" - "For the Children". And why they tortured and executed civilians in Bucha, Irpien, "filtration camps" in Mariupol, and many other towns and villages of Ukraine they have INVADED.
> > >
> > > Orwell is turning in his grave - the ministry of War calling itself the ministry of Peace, the invading army, calling themselves peacemakers,
> > > kills the very same women and children it came to ...save ("For the Children:) , and inept army good only in killing the civilians,
> > > claiming ... a noble sacrifice of its own soldiers just to save the civilians in the invaded country.
> > >
> > > That the people WITHIN the Big Brother's country are brainwashed into believing that - is to be expected. What is less obvious is: why would
> > > some OUTSIDE of Russia play along, those whom Lenin called "useful idiots". There are two types there:
> > >
> > > - ideological - those who are ideologically inclined to side with Russia - the right wing parties in Europe like National Front in France,
> > > AfD in Germany, Victor Orban in Hungary, Brexiters - as well as the extreme left who blames the West for everything (it is the West
> > > who forced Russia invade Ukraine).
> > >
> > > - psychological cases - the conspiracy theorists those who need it to validate their ego - they like to think
> > > of themselves as "fiercely independent minds": if everybody else got fooled by the Western propaganda
> > > but not them, then they are smarter than everybody else and then perhaps .... their lives are not as pathetic as they seem.
> > > Meet Eddie Zwolan, everyone."
> > >
> > > Edward Zwolan: calls the above "mischaracterizations" and ... deletes without showing a single example of the said mischaracterizations.
> > >
> > > And if somebody questioned whether this discussion alone is ENOUGH to argue that Mr Zwolan is here to validate his ego
> > > ('if everybody else got fooled by the Western propaganda but not him, he is smarter than everybody else and then perhaps .... his life are not as pathetic as it seems') this is far from the only case. Here is another example (from a rather long list):
> > >
> > > Edward Zwolan speaking up on "1,200 women were reportedly sexually assaulted during the 2015–16 public New Year's Eve's celebrations in Germany, in most cases by men of non-European origin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany):
> > >
> > > - The prevailing view: sexual assault of women by gangs of men - bad.
> > > - Edward Zwolan's take:
> > > a) calling the sexually assaulted women: "depraved German bitches", "whores", "German whores in search of colored penises" ,
> > > "depraved German [women]",
> > >
> > > b) admiring the presumed sizes of the molesters penises and portraying them as "victims of depraved German whores":
> > > - "Virile randy Semites"
> > > - "victims of the depraved German whores "
> > > - "I am afraid that the Semites with long .... [ "colored phalluses" ] objectively are in the right!"
> > > - "nothing but negativity toward these virile Semites, the public prejudiced against them. But Basia [Ed Zwolan's feminine
> > > Internet handle] says: "Hola!""
> > >
> > > Edward Zwolan, everybody.
> > In response to "Piotr Trela"s continued
> > mischaracterizations and insults, in both
> > the Polish and English languages, I am
> > providing some background information
> > about this individual (a future translated
> > version is upcoming), and a link to a recent
> > Polish article that may be of interest to his
> > readers.
> If QUOTING Edward Zwolan amounts to "mischaracterizations and insults"
> what does it say about the author of the quoted words?
> > 1. Piotr od malego dziecka byl wychowankiem
> > ideologicznych komunistow Jaskotow.
> By their own words you shall know them, not by the delusionary claims iof their opponents
> - for delusions: see for instance Edward Zwolan accusing me of working for the scerte police
> by using the (not-installed yet) antenna for satellite SST (Sea Surface Temperature) data
> to ... listen up on the .... stationary telephone calls by the Polish anti-Communist opposition.
>
> And this is Edward Zwolan IN HIS OWN words:
>
> - Edward Zwolan, after Bucha, Irpien, Kramators and Mariupol:
> "Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> - Edward Zwolan on "1,200 women reportedly sexually assaulted during the 2015–16 public New Year's Eve's celebrations in Germany, in most cases by men of non-European origin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany):migrant men
>
> - "depraved German bitches",
> - "whores",
> - "German whores in search of colored penises" ,
> - "depraved German [women]",
> Edward Zwolan
>
> and admiring the presumed sizes of the molesters penises, and portraying the molesters
> as "victims of depraved German whores":
> - "Virile randy Semites"
> - "victims of the depraved German whores "
> - "I am afraid that the Semites with long .... [ "colored phalluses" ] objectively are in the right!"
> - "nothing but negativity toward these virile Semites, the public prejudiced against them. But Basia [Ed Zwolan's feminine
> Internet handle] says: "Hola!""
> Edward Zwolan
> Edward Zwolan - every one.
>
> ===
> Piotr
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