On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 1:17:37 PM UTC-2:30, mant...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, 1 May 2022 at 17:07:15 UTC+2, Piotr wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 1:27:54 AM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:

> > > In response to "Piotr Trela"s continued
> > > mischaracterizations and insults, in both
> > > the Polish and English languages, I am
> > > providing some background information
> > > about this individual (a future translated
> > > version is upcoming), and a link to a recent
> > > Polish article that may be of interest to his
> > > readers.
> > If QUOTING Edward Zwolan amounts to "mischaracterizations and insults"
> > what does it say about the author of the quoted words?
> > > 1. Piotr od malego dziecka byl wychowankiem
> > > ideologicznych komunistow Jaskotow.
> > By their own words you shall know them, not by the delusionary claims iof their opponents
> > - for delusions: see for instance Edward Zwolan accusing me of working for the scerte police
> > by using the (not-installed yet) antenna for satellite SST (Sea Surface Temperature) data
> > to ... listen up on the .... stationary telephone calls by the Polish anti-Communist opposition.
> >
> > And this is Edward Zwolan IN HIS OWN words:
> >
> > - Edward Zwolan, after Bucha, Irpien, Kramators and Mariupol:
> > "Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> > - Edward Zwolan on "1,200 women reportedly sexually assaulted during the 2015–16 public New Year's Eve's celebrations in Germany, in most cases by men of non-European origin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany):migrant men
> >
> > - "depraved German bitches",
> > - "whores",
> > - "German whores in search of colored penises" ,
> > - "depraved German [women]",
> > Edward Zwolan
> >
> > and admiring the presumed sizes of the molesters penises, and portraying the molesters
> > as "victims of depraved German whores":
> > - "Virile randy Semites"
> > - "victims of the depraved German whores "
> > - "I am afraid that the Semites with long .... [ "colored phalluses" ] objectively are in the right!"
> > - "nothing but negativity toward these virile Semites, the public prejudiced against them. But Basia [Ed Zwolan's feminine
> > Internet handle] says: "Hola!""
> > Edward Zwolan
> > Edward Zwolan - every one.
> >
> Skarżypyta

Nie sadze aby to oddawalo prawdziwa nature Panskiego kolegi, ktory na zacytowanie jego WLASNYCH SLOW:
" wojska Rosji akceptuja wysokie straty wlasne bo chca redukowac ilosc zabitych cywilow "

odpowiada .... stekiem KILKUNASTU (ponumerowanych) oskarzen oponenta ..... o ubeckosc i donosicielstwo:
https://groups.google.com/g/soc.culture.polish/c/VteO11Y6PSo/m/adueCdhBAwAJ
wymieniajac wielokrotnie moje prawdziwe imie i nazwisko, twierdzac ze jest to " background information about this individual" i podajac link do zdjecia wyszukanego na web site .... mojego obecnego miejsca pracy.

w tej sytuacji - "Skarżypyta" .... nie jest chyba w pelni adekwatnym opisem Panskiego kolegi.

===Piotr

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 8:07:15 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 1:27:54 AM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 6:21:57 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 8:04:35 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 7:38:10 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:46:59 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Edward Zwolan, everybody.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll leave it to the reader to draw from these words their own "mischaracterizations" of Mr. Zwolan...
> > > > > ===
> > > > > Piotr
> > > > Please do, here is official data:
> > > > Iraq War 2003
> > > > Monthly civilian deaths:
> > > > March.... 3977
> > > > April....... 3438
> > > and this is supposed to prove ... that I "misrepresentated" your views by ... quoting your words, namely:
> > > "Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> > > Edward Zwolan
> > > My falsfiable argument on what your own words say about you - the same as before the deletion by you:
> > > Piotr's profile photo
> > > Piotr
> > > 12:08 PM (8 hours ago)
> > > to
> > > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:46:59 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 6:27:17 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 4:42:51 AM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 5:41:48 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Uzytecznych idiotow Rosji nie sieja:
> > > > > > > - "moja sugestia ze wojska Rosji akceptuja wysokie straty wlasne bo chca redukowac ilosc zabitych cywilow "
> > > > > > > Zwolan
> > > > >
> > > > > Ladies and Gentlemen - meet "the useful idiot of Putin:
> > > > > " Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> > >
> > >
> > > Edward Zwolan
> > > "In response to "Piotr Trela"s mischaracterizations in both the Polish and English languages {he wrote about ...something else] "
> > >
> > > me: How exactly QUOTING somebody may be a "mischaracterization" of the AUTHOR of this QUOTE?
> > > All anybody needs to know about Edward Zwolan are the ... Edward Zwolan's WORDS on the Putin's army attitude toward the Ukrainian civilians:
> > > " Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> > > Edward Zwolan
> > >
> > > Everybody who watched the handiwork of that noble Russian Army in Bucha, Irpien , Kramatorsk, Mariupol - now knows something about what kind of person Edward Zwolan is. You are what you write.
> > > As for the reasons why he is what he is - I have offered my falsifiable argument. Mr Zwolan. just in case, deleted it . But what Zwolan cut out, I can paste back, so everybody could decide who if us too is right. In case of doubt - use the Occams razor:
> > > Edward Zwolan:
> > > " Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> > >
> > > me: " guess that's why they painted on the rocket aimed at the Kramatorsk train station with 1000s of civilians trying to flee the war : "Za detey" - "For the Children". And why they tortured and executed civilians in Bucha, Irpien, "filtration camps" in Mariupol, and many other towns and villages of Ukraine they have INVADED.
> > >
> > > Orwell is turning in his grave - the ministry of War calling itself the ministry of Peace, the invading army, calling themselves peacemakers,
> > > kills the very same women and children it came to ...save ("For the Children:) , and inept army good only in killing the civilians,
> > > claiming ... a noble sacrifice of its own soldiers just to save the civilians in the invaded country.
> > >
> > > That the people WITHIN the Big Brother's country are brainwashed into believing that - is to be expected. What is less obvious is: why would
> > > some OUTSIDE of Russia play along, those whom Lenin called "useful idiots". There are two types there:
> > >
> > > - ideological - those who are ideologically inclined to side with Russia - the right wing parties in Europe like National Front in France,
> > > AfD in Germany, Victor Orban in Hungary, Brexiters - as well as the extreme left who blames the West for everything (it is the West
> > > who forced Russia invade Ukraine).
> > >
> > > - psychological cases - the conspiracy theorists those who need it to validate their ego - they like to think
> > > of themselves as "fiercely independent minds": if everybody else got fooled by the Western propaganda
> > > but not them, then they are smarter than everybody else and then perhaps .... their lives are not as pathetic as they seem.
> > > Meet Eddie Zwolan, everyone."
> > >
> > > Edward Zwolan: calls the above "mischaracterizations" and ... deletes without showing a single example of the said mischaracterizations.
> > >
> > > And if somebody questioned whether this discussion alone is ENOUGH to argue that Mr Zwolan is here to validate his ego
> > > ('if everybody else got fooled by the Western propaganda but not him, he is smarter than everybody else and then perhaps .... his life are not as pathetic as it seems') this is far from the only case. Here is another example (from a rather long list):
> > >
> > > Edward Zwolan speaking up on "1,200 women were reportedly sexually assaulted during the 2015–16 public New Year's Eve's celebrations in Germany, in most cases by men of non-European origin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany):
> > >
> > > - The prevailing view: sexual assault of women by gangs of men - bad.
> > > - Edward Zwolan's take:
> > > a) calling the sexually assaulted women: "depraved German bitches", "whores", "German whores in search of colored penises" ,
> > > "depraved German [women]",
> > >
> > > b) admiring the presumed sizes of the molesters penises and portraying them as "victims of depraved German whores":
> > > - "Virile randy Semites"
> > > - "victims of the depraved German whores "
> > > - "I am afraid that the Semites with long .... [ "colored phalluses" ] objectively are in the right!"
> > > - "nothing but negativity toward these virile Semites, the public prejudiced against them. But Basia [Ed Zwolan's feminine
> > > Internet handle] says: "Hola!""
> > >
> > > Edward Zwolan, everybody.
> > In response to "Piotr Trela"s continued
> > mischaracterizations and insults, in both
> > the Polish and English languages, I am
> > providing some background information
> > about this individual (a future translated
> > version is upcoming), and a link to a recent
> > Polish article that may be of interest to his
> > readers.
> If QUOTING Edward Zwolan amounts to "mischaracterizations and insults"
> what does it say about the author of the quoted words?
> > 1. Piotr od malego dziecka byl wychowankiem
> > ideologicznych komunistow Jaskotow.
> By their own words you shall know them, not by the delusionary claims iof their opponents
> - for delusions: see for instance Edward Zwolan accusing me of working for the scerte police
> by using the (not-installed yet) antenna for satellite SST (Sea Surface Temperature) data
> to ... listen up on the .... stationary telephone calls by the Polish anti-Communist opposition.
>
> And this is Edward Zwolan IN HIS OWN words:
>
> - Edward Zwolan, after Bucha, Irpien, Kramators and Mariupol:
> "Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> - Edward Zwolan on "1,200 women reportedly sexually assaulted during the 2015–16 public New Year's Eve's celebrations in Germany, in most cases by men of non-European origin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany):migrant men
>
> - "depraved German bitches",
> - "whores",
> - "German whores in search of colored penises" ,
> - "depraved German [women]",
> Edward Zwolan
>
> and admiring the presumed sizes of the molesters penises, and portraying the molesters
> as "victims of depraved German whores":
> - "Virile randy Semites"
> - "victims of the depraved German whores "
> - "I am afraid that the Semites with long .... [ "colored phalluses" ] objectively are in the right!"
> - "nothing but negativity toward these virile Semites, the public prejudiced against them. But Basia [Ed Zwolan's feminine
> Internet handle] says: "Hola!""
> Edward Zwolan
> Edward Zwolan - every one.
>
> ===
> Piotr

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 8:18:26 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 8:07:15 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 1:27:54 AM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 6:21:57 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 8:04:35 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 7:38:10 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:46:59 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Edward Zwolan, everybody.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'll leave it to the reader to draw from these words their own "mischaracterizations" of Mr. Zwolan...
> > > > > > ===
> > > > > > Piotr
> > > > > Please do, here is official data:
> > > > > Iraq War 2003
> > > > > Monthly civilian deaths:
> > > > > March.... 3977
> > > > > April....... 3438
> > > > and this is supposed to prove ... that I "misrepresentated" your views by ... quoting your words, namely:
> > > > "Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> > > > Edward Zwolan
> > > > My falsfiable argument on what your own words say about you - the same as before the deletion by you:
> > > > Piotr's profile photo
> > > > Piotr
> > > > 12:08 PM (8 hours ago)
> > > > to
> > > > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:46:59 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 6:27:17 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 4:42:51 AM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 5:41:48 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Uzytecznych idiotow Rosji nie sieja:
> > > > > > > > - "moja sugestia ze wojska Rosji akceptuja wysokie straty wlasne bo chca redukowac ilosc zabitych cywilow "
> > > > > > > > Zwolan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ladies and Gentlemen - meet "the useful idiot of Putin:
> > > > > > " Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Edward Zwolan
> > > > "In response to "Piotr Trela"s mischaracterizations in both the Polish and English languages {he wrote about ...something else] "
> > > >
> > > > me: How exactly QUOTING somebody may be a "mischaracterization" of the AUTHOR of this QUOTE?
> > > > All anybody needs to know about Edward Zwolan are the ... Edward Zwolan's WORDS on the Putin's army attitude toward the Ukrainian civilians:
> > > > " Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> > > > Edward Zwolan
> > > >
> > > > Everybody who watched the handiwork of that noble Russian Army in Bucha, Irpien , Kramatorsk, Mariupol - now knows something about what kind of person Edward Zwolan is. You are what you write.
> > > > As for the reasons why he is what he is - I have offered my falsifiable argument. Mr Zwolan. just in case, deleted it . But what Zwolan cut out, I can paste back, so everybody could decide who if us too is right. In case of doubt - use the Occams razor:
> > > > Edward Zwolan:
> > > > " Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> > > >
> > > > me: " guess that's why they painted on the rocket aimed at the Kramatorsk train station with 1000s of civilians trying to flee the war : "Za detey" - "For the Children". And why they tortured and executed civilians in Bucha, Irpien, "filtration camps" in Mariupol, and many other towns and villages of Ukraine they have INVADED.
> > > >
> > > > Orwell is turning in his grave - the ministry of War calling itself the ministry of Peace, the invading army, calling themselves peacemakers,
> > > > kills the very same women and children it came to ...save ("For the Children:) , and inept army good only in killing the civilians,
> > > > claiming ... a noble sacrifice of its own soldiers just to save the civilians in the invaded country.
> > > >
> > > > That the people WITHIN the Big Brother's country are brainwashed into believing that - is to be expected. What is less obvious is: why would
> > > > some OUTSIDE of Russia play along, those whom Lenin called "useful idiots". There are two types there:
> > > >
> > > > - ideological - those who are ideologically inclined to side with Russia - the right wing parties in Europe like National Front in France,
> > > > AfD in Germany, Victor Orban in Hungary, Brexiters - as well as the extreme left who blames the West for everything (it is the West
> > > > who forced Russia invade Ukraine).
> > > >
> > > > - psychological cases - the conspiracy theorists those who need it to validate their ego - they like to think
> > > > of themselves as "fiercely independent minds": if everybody else got fooled by the Western propaganda
> > > > but not them, then they are smarter than everybody else and then perhaps .... their lives are not as pathetic as they seem.
> > > > Meet Eddie Zwolan, everyone."
> > > >
> > > > Edward Zwolan: calls the above "mischaracterizations" and ... deletes without showing a single example of the said mischaracterizations.
> > > >
> > > > And if somebody questioned whether this discussion alone is ENOUGH to argue that Mr Zwolan is here to validate his ego
> > > > ('if everybody else got fooled by the Western propaganda but not him, he is smarter than everybody else and then perhaps .... his life are not as pathetic as it seems') this is far from the only case. Here is another example (from a rather long list):
> > > >
> > > > Edward Zwolan speaking up on "1,200 women were reportedly sexually assaulted during the 2015–16 public New Year's Eve's celebrations in Germany, in most cases by men of non-European origin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany):
> > > >
> > > > - The prevailing view: sexual assault of women by gangs of men - bad.
> > > > - Edward Zwolan's take:
> > > > a) calling the sexually assaulted women: "depraved German bitches", "whores", "German whores in search of colored penises" ,
> > > > "depraved German [women]",
> > > >
> > > > b) admiring the presumed sizes of the molesters penises and portraying them as "victims of depraved German whores":
> > > > - "Virile randy Semites"
> > > > - "victims of the depraved German whores "
> > > > - "I am afraid that the Semites with long .... [ "colored phalluses" ] objectively are in the right!"
> > > > - "nothing but negativity toward these virile Semites, the public prejudiced against them. But Basia [Ed Zwolan's feminine
> > > > Internet handle] says: "Hola!""
> > > >
> > > > Edward Zwolan, everybody.
> > > In response to "Piotr Trela"s continued
> > > mischaracterizations and insults, in both
> > > the Polish and English languages, I am
> > > providing some background information
> > > about this individual (a future translated
> > > version is upcoming), and a link to a recent
> > > Polish article that may be of interest to his
> > > readers.
> > If QUOTING Edward Zwolan amounts to "mischaracterizations and insults"
> > what does it say about the author of the quoted words?
> > > 1. Piotr od malego dziecka byl wychowankiem
> > > ideologicznych komunistow Jaskotow.
> > By their own words you shall know them, not by the delusionary claims iof their opponents
> > - for delusions: see for instance Edward Zwolan accusing me of working for the scerte police
> > by using the (not-installed yet) antenna for satellite SST (Sea Surface Temperature) data
> > to ... listen up on the .... stationary telephone calls by the Polish anti-Communist opposition.
> >
> > And this is Edward Zwolan IN HIS OWN words:
> >
> > - Edward Zwolan, after Bucha, Irpien, Kramators and Mariupol:
> > "Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> > - Edward Zwolan on "1,200 women reportedly sexually assaulted during the 2015–16 public New Year's Eve's celebrations in Germany, in most cases by men of non-European origin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany):migrant men
> >
> > - "depraved German bitches",
> > - "whores",
> > - "German whores in search of colored penises" ,
> > - "depraved German [women]",
> > Edward Zwolan
> >
> > and admiring the presumed sizes of the molesters penises, and portraying the molesters
> > as "victims of depraved German whores":
> > - "Virile randy Semites"
> > - "victims of the depraved German whores "
> > - "I am afraid that the Semites with long .... [ "colored phalluses" ] objectively are in the right!"
> > - "nothing but negativity toward these virile Semites, the public prejudiced against them. But Basia [Ed Zwolan's feminine
> > Internet handle] says: "Hola!""
> > Edward Zwolan
> > Edward Zwolan - every one.
> >
> > ===
> > Piotr
> To my knowledge, none of the suspects
> of said 'sexual assaults' were charged
> or convicted of any crimes by any German
> courts (!)

On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 01:34:22 UTC+2, Piotr wrote:
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 8:18:26 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 8:07:15 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 1:27:54 AM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 6:21:57 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 8:04:35 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 7:38:10 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:46:59 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Edward Zwolan, everybody.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'll leave it to the reader to draw from these words their own "mischaracterizations" of Mr. Zwolan...
> > > > > > > ===
> > > > > > > Piotr
> > > > > > Please do, here is official data:
> > > > > > Iraq War 2003
> > > > > > Monthly civilian deaths:
> > > > > > March.... 3977
> > > > > > April....... 3438
> > > > > and this is supposed to prove ... that I "misrepresentated" your views by ... quoting your words, namely:
> > > > > "Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> > > > > Edward Zwolan
> > > > > My falsfiable argument on what your own words say about you - the same as before the deletion by you:
> > > > > Piotr's profile photo
> > > > > Piotr
> > > > > 12:08 PM (8 hours ago)
> > > > > to
> > > > > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:46:59 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 6:27:17 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 4:42:51 AM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 5:41:48 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Uzytecznych idiotow Rosji nie sieja:
> > > > > > > > > - "moja sugestia ze wojska Rosji akceptuja wysokie straty wlasne bo chca redukowac ilosc zabitych cywilow "
> > > > > > > > > Zwolan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ladies and Gentlemen - meet "the useful idiot of Putin:
> > > > > > > " Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Edward Zwolan
> > > > > "In response to "Piotr Trela"s mischaracterizations in both the Polish and English languages {he wrote about ...something else] "
> > > > >
> > > > > me: How exactly QUOTING somebody may be a "mischaracterization" of the AUTHOR of this QUOTE?
> > > > > All anybody needs to know about Edward Zwolan are the ... Edward Zwolan's WORDS on the Putin's army attitude toward the Ukrainian civilians:
> > > > > " Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> > > > > Edward Zwolan
> > > > >
> > > > > Everybody who watched the handiwork of that noble Russian Army in Bucha, Irpien , Kramatorsk, Mariupol - now knows something about what kind of person Edward Zwolan is. You are what you write.
> > > > > As for the reasons why he is what he is - I have offered my falsifiable argument. Mr Zwolan. just in case, deleted it . But what Zwolan cut out, I can paste back, so everybody could decide who if us too is right. In case of doubt - use the Occams razor:
> > > > > Edward Zwolan:
> > > > > " Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> > > > >
> > > > > me: " guess that's why they painted on the rocket aimed at the Kramatorsk train station with 1000s of civilians trying to flee the war : "Za detey" - "For the Children". And why they tortured and executed civilians in Bucha, Irpien, "filtration camps" in Mariupol, and many other towns and villages of Ukraine they have INVADED.
> > > > >
> > > > > Orwell is turning in his grave - the ministry of War calling itself the ministry of Peace, the invading army, calling themselves peacemakers,
> > > > > kills the very same women and children it came to ...save ("For the Children:) , and inept army good only in killing the civilians,
> > > > > claiming ... a noble sacrifice of its own soldiers just to save the civilians in the invaded country.
> > > > >
> > > > > That the people WITHIN the Big Brother's country are brainwashed into believing that - is to be expected. What is less obvious is: why would
> > > > > some OUTSIDE of Russia play along, those whom Lenin called "useful idiots". There are two types there:
> > > > >
> > > > > - ideological - those who are ideologically inclined to side with Russia - the right wing parties in Europe like National Front in France,
> > > > > AfD in Germany, Victor Orban in Hungary, Brexiters - as well as the extreme left who blames the West for everything (it is the West
> > > > > who forced Russia invade Ukraine).
> > > > >
> > > > > - psychological cases - the conspiracy theorists those who need it to validate their ego - they like to think
> > > > > of themselves as "fiercely independent minds": if everybody else got fooled by the Western propaganda
> > > > > but not them, then they are smarter than everybody else and then perhaps .... their lives are not as pathetic as they seem.
> > > > > Meet Eddie Zwolan, everyone."
> > > > >
> > > > > Edward Zwolan: calls the above "mischaracterizations" and ... deletes without showing a single example of the said mischaracterizations.
> > > > >
> > > > > And if somebody questioned whether this discussion alone is ENOUGH to argue that Mr Zwolan is here to validate his ego
> > > > > ('if everybody else got fooled by the Western propaganda but not him, he is smarter than everybody else and then perhaps .... his life are not as pathetic as it seems') this is far from the only case. Here is another example (from a rather long list):
> > > > >
> > > > > Edward Zwolan speaking up on "1,200 women were reportedly sexually assaulted during the 2015–16 public New Year's Eve's celebrations in Germany, in most cases by men of non-European origin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany):
> > > > >
> > > > > - The prevailing view: sexual assault of women by gangs of men - bad.
> > > > > - Edward Zwolan's take:
> > > > > a) calling the sexually assaulted women: "depraved German bitches", "whores", "German whores in search of colored penises" ,
> > > > > "depraved German [women]",
> > > > >
> > > > > b) admiring the presumed sizes of the molesters penises and portraying them as "victims of depraved German whores":
> > > > > - "Virile randy Semites"
> > > > > - "victims of the depraved German whores "
> > > > > - "I am afraid that the Semites with long .... [ "colored phalluses" ] objectively are in the right!"
> > > > > - "nothing but negativity toward these virile Semites, the public prejudiced against them. But Basia [Ed Zwolan's feminine
> > > > > Internet handle] says: "Hola!""
> > > > >
> > > > > Edward Zwolan, everybody.
> > > > In response to "Piotr Trela"s continued
> > > > mischaracterizations and insults, in both
> > > > the Polish and English languages, I am
> > > > providing some background information
> > > > about this individual (a future translated
> > > > version is upcoming), and a link to a recent
> > > > Polish article that may be of interest to his
> > > > readers.
> > > If QUOTING Edward Zwolan amounts to "mischaracterizations and insults"
> > > what does it say about the author of the quoted words?
> > > > 1. Piotr od malego dziecka byl wychowankiem
> > > > ideologicznych komunistow Jaskotow.
> > > By their own words you shall know them, not by the delusionary claims iof their opponents
> > > - for delusions: see for instance Edward Zwolan accusing me of working for the scerte police
> > > by using the (not-installed yet) antenna for satellite SST (Sea Surface Temperature) data
> > > to ... listen up on the .... stationary telephone calls by the Polish anti-Communist opposition.
> > >
> > > And this is Edward Zwolan IN HIS OWN words:
> > >
> > > - Edward Zwolan, after Bucha, Irpien, Kramators and Mariupol:
> > > "Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> > > - Edward Zwolan on "1,200 women reportedly sexually assaulted during the 2015–16 public New Year's Eve's celebrations in Germany, in most cases by men of non-European origin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany):migrant men
> > >
> > > - "depraved German bitches",
> > > - "whores",
> > > - "German whores in search of colored penises" ,
> > > - "depraved German [women]",
> > > Edward Zwolan
> > >
> > > and admiring the presumed sizes of the molesters penises, and portraying the molesters
> > > as "victims of depraved German whores":
> > > - "Virile randy Semites"
> > > - "victims of the depraved German whores "
> > > - "I am afraid that the Semites with long .... [ "colored phalluses" ] objectively are in the right!"
> > > - "nothing but negativity toward these virile Semites, the public prejudiced against them. But Basia [Ed Zwolan's feminine
> > > Internet handle] says: "Hola!""
> > > Edward Zwolan
> > > Edward Zwolan - every one.
> > >
> > > ===
> > > Piotr
> > To my knowledge, none of the suspects
> > of said 'sexual assaults' were charged
> > or convicted of any crimes by any German
> > courts (!)
> From the link in the post YOUR ARE COMMENTING
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany):
>
> " By April 2016, statistics recorded by authorities indicated that out of the identified 153 suspects in Cologne who were convicted of sexual offenses and other crimes during New Year's Eve 2015–16"
> And that's from ONLY one city (Cologne).
>
> Edward Zwolan: "to my knowledge, none of the suspects of said 'sexual assaults' were charged or convicted of any crimes by any German courts (!)"
>
> And based on WHAT SOURCES have you, Mr. Zwolan, established that the ("1,200 women reportedly sexually assaulted during the 2015–16 public New Year's Eve's celebrations in Germany") were:
> - "depraved German bitches",
> - "whores",
> - "German whores in search of colored penises" ,
> - "depraved German [women]",
> Edward Zwolan
> On WHAT SOURCES have you based your above claims, Mr. Zwolan ?
>
> And HOW HAVE YOU KNOWN that those accused of sexually assaulting them, were, to QUOTE your own words:
> "virile randy Semites" and "victims of depraved German whores " ?
>
> And on WHAT SOURCES have you established their ... virilty and the length of their penises????
> You know:
> - "virile randy Semites"
> Edward Zwolan
>
> - " the Semites with long .... [ "colored phalluses" ] objectively are in the right!"
> Edward Zwolan
> - "nothing but negativity toward these virile Semites, the public prejudiced against them.
> But Basia [Ed Zwolan's feminine Internet handle] says: "Hola!""
> Edward Zwolan. scp.
>
> By their own words you shall know them. Edward Zwolan - everybody.
> ===
> Piotr
@Pacanów stosuje od 100 lat agendę Debaty Oxfordzkiej na usenecie
poniżając sztukę retoryki
gdyż udoskonalił debatę oxfordzką o 2 elementy:

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 4:34:22 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 8:18:26 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 8:07:15 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 1:27:54 AM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 6:21:57 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 8:04:35 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 7:38:10 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:46:59 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Edward Zwolan, everybody.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'll leave it to the reader to draw from these words their own "mischaracterizations" of Mr. Zwolan...
> > > > > > > ===
> > > > > > > Piotr
> > > > > > Please do, here is official data:
> > > > > > Iraq War 2003
> > > > > > Monthly civilian deaths:
> > > > > > March.... 3977
> > > > > > April....... 3438
> > > > > and this is supposed to prove ... that I "misrepresentated" your views by ... quoting your words, namely:
> > > > > "Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> > > > > Edward Zwolan
> > > > > My falsfiable argument on what your own words say about you - the same as before the deletion by you:
> > > > > Piotr's profile photo
> > > > > Piotr
> > > > > 12:08 PM (8 hours ago)
> > > > > to
> > > > > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:46:59 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 6:27:17 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 4:42:51 AM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 5:41:48 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Uzytecznych idiotow Rosji nie sieja:
> > > > > > > > > - "moja sugestia ze wojska Rosji akceptuja wysokie straty wlasne bo chca redukowac ilosc zabitych cywilow "
> > > > > > > > > Zwolan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ladies and Gentlemen - meet "the useful idiot of Putin:
> > > > > > > " Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Edward Zwolan
> > > > > "In response to "Piotr Trela"s mischaracterizations in both the Polish and English languages {he wrote about ...something else] "
> > > > >
> > > > > me: How exactly QUOTING somebody may be a "mischaracterization" of the AUTHOR of this QUOTE?
> > > > > All anybody needs to know about Edward Zwolan are the ... Edward Zwolan's WORDS on the Putin's army attitude toward the Ukrainian civilians:
> > > > > " Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> > > > > Edward Zwolan
> > > > >
> > > > > Everybody who watched the handiwork of that noble Russian Army in Bucha, Irpien , Kramatorsk, Mariupol - now knows something about what kind of person Edward Zwolan is. You are what you write.
> > > > > As for the reasons why he is what he is - I have offered my falsifiable argument. Mr Zwolan. just in case, deleted it . But what Zwolan cut out, I can paste back, so everybody could decide who if us too is right. In case of doubt - use the Occams razor:
> > > > > Edward Zwolan:
> > > > > " Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> > > > >
> > > > > me: " guess that's why they painted on the rocket aimed at the Kramatorsk train station with 1000s of civilians trying to flee the war : "Za detey" - "For the Children". And why they tortured and executed civilians in Bucha, Irpien, "filtration camps" in Mariupol, and many other towns and villages of Ukraine they have INVADED.
> > > > >
> > > > > Orwell is turning in his grave - the ministry of War calling itself the ministry of Peace, the invading army, calling themselves peacemakers,
> > > > > kills the very same women and children it came to ...save ("For the Children:) , and inept army good only in killing the civilians,
> > > > > claiming ... a noble sacrifice of its own soldiers just to save the civilians in the invaded country.
> > > > >
> > > > > That the people WITHIN the Big Brother's country are brainwashed into believing that - is to be expected. What is less obvious is: why would
> > > > > some OUTSIDE of Russia play along, those whom Lenin called "useful idiots". There are two types there:
> > > > >
> > > > > - ideological - those who are ideologically inclined to side with Russia - the right wing parties in Europe like National Front in France,
> > > > > AfD in Germany, Victor Orban in Hungary, Brexiters - as well as the extreme left who blames the West for everything (it is the West
> > > > > who forced Russia invade Ukraine).
> > > > >
> > > > > - psychological cases - the conspiracy theorists those who need it to validate their ego - they like to think
> > > > > of themselves as "fiercely independent minds": if everybody else got fooled by the Western propaganda
> > > > > but not them, then they are smarter than everybody else and then perhaps .... their lives are not as pathetic as they seem.
> > > > > Meet Eddie Zwolan, everyone."
> > > > >
> > > > > Edward Zwolan: calls the above "mischaracterizations" and ... deletes without showing a single example of the said mischaracterizations.
> > > > >
> > > > > And if somebody questioned whether this discussion alone is ENOUGH to argue that Mr Zwolan is here to validate his ego
> > > > > ('if everybody else got fooled by the Western propaganda but not him, he is smarter than everybody else and then perhaps .... his life are not as pathetic as it seems') this is far from the only case. Here is another example (from a rather long list):
> > > > >
> > > > > Edward Zwolan speaking up on "1,200 women were reportedly sexually assaulted during the 2015–16 public New Year's Eve's celebrations in Germany, in most cases by men of non-European origin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany):
> > > > >
> > > > > - The prevailing view: sexual assault of women by gangs of men - bad.
> > > > > - Edward Zwolan's take:
> > > > > a) calling the sexually assaulted women: "depraved German bitches", "whores", "German whores in search of colored penises" ,
> > > > > "depraved German [women]",
> > > > >
> > > > > b) admiring the presumed sizes of the molesters penises and portraying them as "victims of depraved German whores":
> > > > > - "Virile randy Semites"
> > > > > - "victims of the depraved German whores "
> > > > > - "I am afraid that the Semites with long .... [ "colored phalluses" ] objectively are in the right!"
> > > > > - "nothing but negativity toward these virile Semites, the public prejudiced against them. But Basia [Ed Zwolan's feminine
> > > > > Internet handle] says: "Hola!""
> > > > >
> > > > > Edward Zwolan, everybody.
> > > > In response to "Piotr Trela"s continued
> > > > mischaracterizations and insults, in both
> > > > the Polish and English languages, I am
> > > > providing some background information
> > > > about this individual (a future translated
> > > > version is upcoming), and a link to a recent
> > > > Polish article that may be of interest to his
> > > > readers.
> > > If QUOTING Edward Zwolan amounts to "mischaracterizations and insults"
> > > what does it say about the author of the quoted words?
> > > > 1. Piotr od malego dziecka byl wychowankiem
> > > > ideologicznych komunistow Jaskotow.
> > > By their own words you shall know them, not by the delusionary claims iof their opponents
> > > - for delusions: see for instance Edward Zwolan accusing me of working for the scerte police
> > > by using the (not-installed yet) antenna for satellite SST (Sea Surface Temperature) data
> > > to ... listen up on the .... stationary telephone calls by the Polish anti-Communist opposition.
> > >
> > > And this is Edward Zwolan IN HIS OWN words:
> > >
> > > - Edward Zwolan, after Bucha, Irpien, Kramators and Mariupol:
> > > "Russian Army is willing to accept very high own loses just to spare the lives of [Ukrainian] civilians"
> > > - Edward Zwolan on "1,200 women reportedly sexually assaulted during the 2015–16 public New Year's Eve's celebrations in Germany, in most cases by men of non-European origin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany):migrant men
> > >
> > > - "depraved German bitches",
> > > - "whores",
> > > - "German whores in search of colored penises" ,
> > > - "depraved German [women]",
> > > Edward Zwolan
> > >
> > > and admiring the presumed sizes of the molesters penises, and portraying the molesters
> > > as "victims of depraved German whores":
> > > - "Virile randy Semites"
> > > - "victims of the depraved German whores "
> > > - "I am afraid that the Semites with long .... [ "colored phalluses" ] objectively are in the right!"
> > > - "nothing but negativity toward these virile Semites, the public prejudiced against them. But Basia [Ed Zwolan's feminine
> > > Internet handle] says: "Hola!""
> > > Edward Zwolan
> > > Edward Zwolan - every one.
> > >
> > > ===
> > > Piotr
> > To my knowledge, none of the suspects
> > of said 'sexual assaults' were charged
> > or convicted of any crimes by any German
> > courts (!)
> From the link in the post YOUR ARE COMMENTING
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany):
>
> " By April 2016, statistics recorded by authorities indicated that out of the identified 153 suspects in Cologne who were convicted of sexual offenses and other crimes during New Year's Eve 2015–16"
> And that's from ONLY one city (Cologne).
>
> Edward Zwolan: "to my knowledge, none of the suspects of said 'sexual assaults' were charged or convicted of any crimes by any German courts (!)"
>
> And based on WHAT SOURCES have you, Mr. Zwolan, established that the ("1,200 women reportedly sexually assaulted during the 2015–16 public New Year's Eve's celebrations in Germany") were:
> - "depraved German bitches",
> - "whores",
> - "German whores in search of colored penises" ,
> - "depraved German [women]",
> Edward Zwolan
> On WHAT SOURCES have you based your above claims, Mr. Zwolan ?
>
> And HOW HAVE YOU KNOWN that those accused of sexually assaulting them, were, to QUOTE your own words:
> "virile randy Semites" and "victims of depraved German whores " ?
>
> And on WHAT SOURCES have you established their ... virilty and the length of their penises????
> You know:
> - "virile randy Semites"
> Edward Zwolan
>
> - " the Semites with long .... [ "colored phalluses" ] objectively are in the right!"
> Edward Zwolan
> - "nothing but negativity toward these virile Semites, the public prejudiced against them.
> But Basia [Ed Zwolan's feminine Internet handle] says: "Hola!""
> Edward Zwolan. scp.
>
> By their own words you shall know them. Edward Zwolan - everybody.
> ===
> Piotr

On Sun, 1 May 2022 16:34:21 -0700 (PDT), Piotr wrote:

> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 8:18:26 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:

wklejam wszysko co nozyce piotrowe wyciely:

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To my knowledge, none of the suspects of said 'sexual assaults' were
charged or convicted of any crimes by any German courts (!), except for a
few pick-pocketers for petit thefts.

Why?

Because these actions were deemed to be a result of at least partial
contributory provocative action by the women themselves,
if not completely staged and publicized by the German anti-immigrant
far-Right.

Mr. Piotr Trela, who is likely a former member of the Polish Communist
Secutrity forces, SB (Sluzba Bezpieczenstwa),
possibly an active member of other such agency, has been for years
involved in intensive 'oversight' of the Polish newsgroup
soc.culture.polish.

He has routinely engaged in various textual manipulations and
misquotations.
Citing words of various group members completely out of their proper
context and propagating them in an effort to of smear, discredit, and
defame.

In response to "Piotr Trela"s continued mischaracterizations and insults,
in both the Polish and English languages, I am providing some background
information about this individual (a future translated version is
upcoming), and a link to a recent Polish article that may be of interest
to his readers.

1. Piotr od malego dziecka byl wychowankiem ideologicznych komunistow
Jaskotow.

Piotr Trela:
“Pania Jaskot znalem jako 7-latek”

2. Kazimierz Jaskot, czlonek KC PZPR byl rektorem Czerwonego Uniwersytetu
kompletnie spenetrowanego przez SB'ecje gdzie donosicielstwo i szykany
oraz wyrzucanie ze studiow byly codziennoscia.

Koniec Szkoly Serwilizmu str.5
http://ksi.home.pl/archiwaprzelomu/obrazy/AP-24-1-3-1_46.pdf

Czasy Mocno Polityczne
https://historiaus.usz.edu.pl/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/
ks-28-30.01.2011-2.jpg

3. Piotr byl prosperujacym pracownikiem tego wlasnie SB'eckiego
Uniwersytetu i znajdowal zatrudnienie w Zakladzie Teledetekcji
specjalizujacym sie w przeroznych formach elektronicznego nasluchu.

Piotr Trela: Szczecin University, Zaklad Teledetekcji
http://www.ices.dk/sites/pub/Publication%20Reports/
Marine%20Science%20Symposia/Phase%202/Rapport%20et%20Proces-
Verbaux%20des%20Reunions%20-%20Volume%20188%20-%201989%20-
%20Partie%2040%20de%2071.pdf

4. Gdy Piotr byl jeszcze studentem w Gdansku jego wspol-lokatorzy w
akademickim pokoju wpadali w rece SB'ecji, pozniej skazywani byli na
wieloletnie wyroki wiezienia.

Piotr Trela:
“…mojego kolegi z ktorym mieszkalem w jednym pokoju w akademiku i ktory
dostal 3 lata za przewozenie paru ulotek (i odsiedzial z tego 2 lata).

5. Piotr bral udzial w licznych protestach i zadymach przeciwko komunie,
min. w Gdansku,
ale w obliczu milicyjnych lapanek nie uciekal!
Gdzie inni ryzykowali zdrowiem a nawet zyciem by nie zostac pojmanym przez
ZOMO, Piotr pozostawal w miejscu.

Piotr Trela:

“…mielismy nadzieje, ze ZOMO nie zatrzyma pociagu by nas wygarnac...pociag
zatrzymal sie po ujechaniu 50 metrow. ZOMO wbieglo na peron i czekalo.
Zrobilo sie nieprzyjemnie.
Niektorzy z nas zawierzyli swoim nogom - otwierali awaryjne drzwi z
drugiej strony i pryskali na tory …postanowilem zostac w pociagu,”

6. Piotr klamie twierdzac ze nie widzial na oczy Jaskota, Rektora
uniwersytetu na ktorym byl pracownikiem naukowym (Uniwersytet Szczecinski
liczyl wtedy niewiele ponad 50 osob lokalnego grona pedagogicznego,
wiekszosc wykladowcow byla wowczas wizytujaca aby).

https://historiaus.usz.edu.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/PTDC0003.jpg

7. Piotr Trela nawet dzisiaj grozi swoim oponentom donosicielstwem (patrz
cytat grozba donosu oraz pobicia, "skucia mordy," w wypadku powrotu do
Polski!)

Piotr Trela:
“I jesli...przyjada kiedys do Polski to niech uwazaja - …ten ze
zdjecia…dowie sie co o nim wypisujecie, to wam morde skuje.”

8. Piotr nie chce udzielic odpowiedzi na proste pytania z ktorymi nikt na
emigranckiej grupie spolecznosciowej nie ma najmniejszego problemu,
w tym kto rekomendowal Go na studia zagraniczne,
- przywoluje prawo przestepcow do nie-samo-inkryminacji.

9. Piotr w pierwszym swoim tekscie opublikowanym na Zachodzie zawarl
donos. Poinformowal kanadyjska publike ze Komunisci w Polsce nie sa
prawdziwymi Marksistami-Leninistami.

Piotr Trela:
"I wanted to see a believing Marxist-Lenninist with my own eyes. Spending
29 years in a Marxist Lenninist country I hadn't met any... . I was
anxious to see my first live Marxist-Leninist.

Strona nr. 7
http://dalspace.library.dal.ca/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10222/52077/
dalhousiegazette_volume122_issue4_september_28_1989.pdf?
sequence=1&isAllowed=y

10. Piotr w przeciagu 27 lat dzialalnosci na grupie dyskusyjnej
soc.culture.polish napisal tysiace reply'ow ale samemu nie otworzyl wiecej
nizeli kilkudziesieciu wlasnych watkow. Wiekszosc dopiero wtedy gdy
zostalo to zauwazone w 2016 roku, i zostala mu zwrocona uwaga.
Donosiciel, jego przelozeni, nie sa zainteresowani przekazywaniem wlasnych
opinii a gromadzeniem cudzych.

11. Piotr od lat ulatwia prace donosicielom ograniczajac swobode
wypowiedzi w internecie;
pietnujac anonimowosc oraz domagajac sie by wszyscy Internauci podpisywali
sie swoimi prawdziwymi imionami i nazwiskami.

12. Gdy Trybunał Praw Człowieka w Strasburgu orzekł że Grzegorz Braun mial
prawo nazwac profesora Miodka SB'ekiem, Piotr Trela usilowal ograniczyc
swobode wypowiedzi Brauna argumentujac ze uczciwy system to taki w ktorym
"lepiej by winny uszedl karze niz zeby niewinnego skrzywdzic."

Piotr zaczal bronic systemu prawnego ktory nie wymierzyl sprawiedliwosci
ani jednemu z SB’eckich oprawcow zapominajac ze Braun nie domagal sie kary
dla SB'eka tylko swobody wypowiedzi dla siebie.

13. Piotr w swoim nowym miejscu zamieszkania szybko dal sie poznac jako
proponent internetowej cenzury, nazywajac idiotami Nowofundlandczykow
uskarzajacych sie na cenzure w netcie.

14. Piotr zapytany na soc.culture.polish o dokladna date swojego wyjazdu z
PRL’u do Kanada- w okresie rzadow Rakowieckiego i Kiszczaka czy tez
pozniej gdy uzyskanie paszportu nie bylo powiazane z probami werbunku do
wspolpracy ze Sluzba Bezpieczenstwa,
odpowiada milczeniem oraz natychmiastowym i bezpowrotnym zerwaniem
wieloletniego kolezenstwa z pytajacym go p. Andrzejem Strakiem.

Czy Piotr byl SB'eckim donosicielem tego niewiem,
wiem tylko ze na Jaskotowym Uniwersytecie,
i nie tylko, byli tacy! Gdy zas komuna padala w 1989r istniala czy tez
mogla byc postrzegana grozba ze donosiciele moga zostac zdemaskowani i
ukarani.

Z pewnoscia wladze uniwerku (SB'ecja, kapitan Cholewa, pro-rektor Homa,
Rektor Jaskot) czynili kroki by zapewnic donosicielom nalezyte
bezpieczenstwo, odwrot, alibi, czy ewakuacje.

Piotr wlasnie w tym okresie czasu i jako pracownik uniwerstytetu (!) z
wiza studencka w PRL'owskim paszporcie wyjezdza na szkolenia doktoranckie
do Kanada. Dzisiaj panikuje pytany o szczegoly swojego wyjazdu.

Ubecka metodyka dyskusji Piotra do wgladu w archiwach Google'a. Kazdy moze
sobie wyrobic opinie z kim/czym ma do czynienia."

A tutaj fotka:

https://i0.wp.com/gazette.mun.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/biology.jpg
From left are project team members Drs. "Piotr Trela", "Sally Goddard",
"Margaret Caldwell" and "Jane Costello". (Absent: Dr. "Anna Rissanen")

Science in Poland PAP

https://www.wprost.pl/edukacja/10165250/nowe-przepisy-o-lustracji-na-
uczelniach-moga-dotyczyc-nawet-kilku-tysiecy-osob.html

New regulations on lustration at universities. "They may concern even
several thousand people"

The new regulations on lustration at universities may be felt by even
several thousand people who cooperated with the security services during
the Polish People's Republic - Deputy Minister of Science and Higher
Education Piotr Müller said in an interview with PAP. In his opinion,
universities need decommunization.

The Law on Higher Education and Science (Constitution for Science, Law
2.0), in force since October 1, 2018, provides for changes to the
provisions on vetting at universities. Pursuant to the Act, a person who
"did not work from July 22, 1944 to July 31, 1990, may become a member of
the university council, a member of the university senate, a member of the
Science Evaluation Committee, the Scientific Excellence Council, the
Polish Accreditation Committee, or a titular professor" and did not serve
in state security agencies (...) and did not cooperate with these
authorities ”.

"Decommunization" at universities

Deputy Minister of Science and Higher Education Piotr Müller in an
interview with PAP called these provisions "decommunizing". When asked
whether decommunization is still needed at universities, he replied:
"Without a doubt." He assessed that the introduction of new regulations
"may be a stage of a delayed, but still settlement of, issues related to
the functioning of the People's Republic of Poland".

When asked how many people the new regulations will make their academic
career difficult, Piotr Müller commented: “We do not have such data,
because we do not have a way to collect it. But I think it could even
affect several thousand people in the country. " - The latest research by
the Institute of National Remembrance shows that the environments at
universities were very infiltrated and there were many people there who
were secret collaborators - said the deputy minister.

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 12:52:29 PM UTC-2:30, andal wrote:
> On Sun, 1 May 2022 16:34:21 -0700 (PDT), Piotr wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 8:18:26 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> wklejam wszysko co nozyce piotrowe wyciely:

Aaa, inspiracja "typowa metoda" pana Straka. Tylko ze jesli da Lancia nie zauwazyl - oskrazanie o
cenzure - musi byc UDOWODNIONE podaniem jak wyciety tekst odnosil sie DO TEMATU dyskusji -
tutaj: Zwolanowe wyzwiska ofiar "sexual assaults" - od "kurew" i "wyuzdanych suk niemieckich"
i jego zachwytow domniemana dlugoscia penisow molestatorow:

Edward Zwolan: "to my knowledge, none of the suspects of said 'sexual assaults' were charged or convicted of any crimes by any German courts (!)"

me: And based on WHAT SOURCES have you, Mr. Zwolan, established that the ("1,200 women reportedly sexually assaulted during the 2015–16 public New Year's Eve's celebrations in Germany") were:
- "depraved German bitches",
- "whores",
- "German whores in search of colored penises" ,
- "depraved German [women]",
Edward Zwolan

And HOW HAVE YOU KNOWN that those accused of sexually assaulting them, were, to QUOTE your own words:
"virile randy Semites" and "victims of depraved German whores " ?

Gdybym wycial odpowiedzi pana Edka na TE pytania - to moglby Pana krzyczec o Strakowych "nozycach". \
Natomaist wyciecie wielostronnicowego BELKOTU na ... zupelnie inny temat, i to belkotu ktorego ich autor
nie potrafil udowodnic w dziesiatkach? setkach? poprzednich watkow w ktorym belkotal to samo -
NIE JEST, panie da Lancia, cenzura.

Still, let me congratulate you, Mr. Zwolan, your new "knight in shining armour", Mr. Andrew da Lancia.
Frankly, with his hatred toward the Jews (the guy posted several pages of neo-Nazi jokes about
murdering Jews in Auschwitz and DEDICATED them to his ...Jewish opponents ) ... I didn't peg him
for a defender of a guy who raves about the .... virility and length of penises of ... Semites:
- "virile randy Semites"
- " the Semites with long .... [ "colored phalluses" ] objectively are in the right!"
- "nothing but negativity toward these virile Semites, the public prejudiced against them.
But Basia [Ed Zwolan's feminine Internet handle] says: "Hola!""
Edward Zwolan

Talk about strange bedfellows. But I guess, love conquers it all ?
==Piotr

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:18:16 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> Mr. Piotr Trela, who is likely a former member
> of the Polish Communist Secutrity forces,
> SB (Sluzba Bezpieczenstwa), possibly an
> active member of other such agency

Would you mind signing your allegations with your true name, Mr. ... "Basia" ?

Piotr Trela

On Mon, 2 May 2022 10:40:26 -0700 (PDT), Piotr wrote:

> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:18:16 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
>
>> Mr. Piotr Trela, who is likely a former member of the Polish Communist
>> Secutrity forces,
>> SB (Sluzba Bezpieczenstwa), possibly an active member of other such
>> agency
>
> Would you mind signing your allegations with your true name, Mr. ...
> "Basia" ?
>
> Piotr Trela

poszukaj tepy doopku w swojej kartotece

On Mon, 2 May 2022 10:19:06 -0700 (PDT), Piotr wrote:

> Gdybym wycial odpowiedzi pana

trela, nozyce ci sie stepily, za czesto ich uzywasz albo za rzadko
ostrzysz, sa juz takie tepe jak ty

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 10:40:27 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:18:16 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
>
> > Mr. Piotr Trela, who is likely a former member
> > of the Polish Communist Secutrity forces,
> > SB (Sluzba Bezpieczenstwa), possibly an
> > active member of other such agency
>
> Would you mind signing your allegations with your true name, Mr. ... "Basia" ?

Please ask here: e-mail: dr.ciesielczyk@gmail.com.

Basia (Ona/Jej)

> Piotr Trela

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 7:54:21 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 10:40:27 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:18:16 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> >
> > > Mr. Piotr Trela, who is likely a former member
> > > of the Polish Communist Secutrity forces,
> > > SB (Sluzba Bezpieczenstwa), possibly an
> > > active member of other such agency
> >
> > Would you mind signing your allegations with your true name, Mr. ... "Basia" ?
> Please ask here: e-mail: dr.cies...@gmail.com.
> Basia (Ona/Jej)

Since in your public insinuations you use my full name, your refusal to sign your allegation with your true name, and hiding instead behind a fake persona, tells all about you and about the value
of your accusations.

But your safety in anonymity maybe illusory - if somebody considered it worthy - it would be very easy for any defamation lawyer to find the owner of the "Basia" account.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/edward-zwolan-b5698b8/ ?

==
Piotr Trela

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 8:03:37 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 7:54:21 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 10:40:27 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:18:16 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mr. Piotr Trela, who is likely a former member
> > > > of the Polish Communist Secutrity forces,
> > > > SB (Sluzba Bezpieczenstwa), possibly an
> > > > active member of other such agency
> > >
> > > Would you mind signing your allegations with your true name, Mr. ... "Basia" ?
> > Please ask here: e-mail: dr.cies...@gmail.com.
> > Basia (Ona/Jej)
>
> Since in your public insinuations you use my full name, your refusal to sign your allegation with your true name, and hiding instead behind a fake persona, tells all about you and about the value
> of your accusations.
>
> But your safety in anonymity maybe illusory - if somebody considered it worthy - it would be very easy for any defamation lawyer to find the owner of the "Basia" account.
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/edward-zwolan-b5698b8/ ?
>
> ==
> Piotr Trela

Threats of lawsuits? You are kidding me,
right Mr.Trela.

Honestly, I have no clue whether you have
ever been an informant, a member of the
SB or any similar organization, or whether
you have co-operated with such or not.

However, your personal history and professional
presence in heavily SB penetrated environments
suggests a possibility.

A very well established pattern of distortive,
highly manipulative and at times extremely
evasive discourse (example: inability to recall
date of arrival in Canada) adds to the perceived
likelihood.

Polish authorities suggest the existence
of several thousand former SB informants
in today’s academic circles in Poland,
where Piotr Trela during the period
of communist Martial Law, or shortly
thereafter, has started his professional
career.

A compilation of publicly accessible
information about Piotr has been made
available to readers of soc.culture.polish
to help form a personal opinion about
him. A translation is up-coming as Piotr
has decided, during armed conflict with
Russia and for unknown reasons, to
converse also in the English language.

Mr. Piotr Trela, has been for years
involved in intensive 'oversight' of
the Polish newsgroup soc.culture.polish.
He has routinely engaged in various
textual manipulations and misquotations.
citing words of various group members
completely out of their proper context
and propagating them in an effort to
smear, discredit and defame.

In response to Piotr Trela’s continued
mischaracterizations and insults, in both
Polish and recently English languages,
I am providing some background information
about this individual:

1. Piotr od malego dziecka byl wychowankiem
ideologicznych komunistow Jaskotow.

Piotr Trela:
“Pania Jaskot znalem jako 7-latek”

2. Kazimierz Jaskot, czlonek KC PZPR
byl rektorem Czerwonego Uniwersytetu
kompletnie spenetrowanego przez SB'ecje
gdzie donosicielstwo i szykany oraz
wyrzucanie ze studiow byly codziennoscia.

Koniec Szkoly Serwilizmu str.5
http://ksi.home.pl/archiwaprzelomu/obrazy/AP-24-1-3-1_46.pdf

Czasy Mocno Polityczne
https://historiaus.usz.edu.pl/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/ks-28-30.01.2011-2..jpg

3. Piotr byl prosperujacym pracownikiem tego
wlasnie SB'eckiego Uniwersytetu i znajdowal
zatrudnienie w Zakladzie Teledetekcji specjalizujacym
sie w przeroznych formach elektronicznego nasluchu.

Piotr Trela: Szczecin University, Zaklad Teledetekcji
http://www.ices.dk/sites/pub/Publication%20Reports/Marine%20Science%20Symposia/Phase%202/Rapport%20et%20Proces-Verbaux%20des%20Reunions%20-%20Volume%20188%20-%201989%20-%20Partie%2040%20de%2071.pdf

4. Gdy Piotr byl jeszcze studentem w Gdansku
jego wspol-lokatorzy w akademickim pokoju
wpadali w rece SB'ecji, pozniej skazywani byli
na wieloletnie wyroki wiezienia.

Piotr Trela:
“…mojego kolegi z ktorym mieszkalem w jednym pokoju w
akademiku i ktory dostal 3 lata za przewozenie paru ulotek (i odsiedzial z
tego 2 lata).

5. Piotr bral udzial w licznych protestach
i zadymach przeciwko komunie, min. w Gdansku,
ale w obliczu milicyjnych lapanek nie uciekal.
Gdzie inni ryzykowali zdrowiem a nawet zyciem
by nie zostac pojmanym przez ZOMO, Piotr
pozostawal w miejscu.

Piotr Trela:
“…mielismy nadzieje, ze ZOMO nie zatrzyma
pociagu by nas wygarnac...pociag zatrzymal sie po ujechaniu
50 metrow. ZOMO wbieglo na peron i czekalo. Zrobilo sie nieprzyjemnie.
Niektorzy z nas zawierzyli swoim nogom - otwierali awaryjne drzwi z
drugiej strony i pryskali na tory …postanowilem zostac w pociagu,”

6. Piotr klamie twierdzac ze nie widzial na
oczy Jaskota, Rektora uniwersytetu na ktorym
byl pracownikiem naukowym (Uniwersytet Szczecinski
liczyl wtedy niewiele ponad 50 osob lokalnego grona
pedagogicznego, wiekszosc wykladowcow byla
wowczas wizytujaca).

https://historiaus.usz.edu.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/PTDC0003.jpg

7. Piotr Trela nawet dzisiaj grozi swoim oponentom
donosicielstwem (patrz cytat grozba donosu
oraz pobicia, "skucia mordy," w wypadku powrotu
do Polski!)

Piotr Trela:
“I jesli...przyjada kiedys do Polski to niech uwazaja - …ten ze zdjecia…dowie sie co o nim wypisujecie, to wam morde skuje.”

8. Piotr nie chce udzielic odpowiedzi na proste
pytania z ktorymi nikt na emigranckiej grupie
spolecznosciowej nie ma najmniejszego problemu,
np. kto w PRL rekomendowal na zagraniczne
studia doktoranckie do Kanady – Piotr przywoluje
prawo przestepcow do nie-samo-inkryminacji.

9. Piotr w pierwszym swoim tekscie opublikowanym
na Zachodzie zawarl donos. Poinformowal kanadyjska
publike ze Komunisci w Polsce nie sa prawdziwymi
Marksistami-Leninistami.

Piotr Trela:
"I wanted to see a believing Marxist-Lenninist with
my own eyes. Spending 29 years in a Marxist Lenninist
country I hadn't met any... . I was anxious to see my
first live Marxist-Leninist.

Strona nr. 7
http://dalspace.library.dal.ca/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10222/52077/dalhousiegazette_volume122_issue4_september_28_1989.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

10. Piotr w przeciagu 27 lat dzialalnosci na grupie
dyskusyjnej soc.culture.polish napisal tysiace
reply'ow ale samemu nie otworzyl wiecej nizeli
kilkudziesieciu wlasnych watkow. Wiekszosc
dopiero wtedy gdy zostalo to zauwazone w
2016 roku, i zostala mu zwrocona uwaga.
Donosiciel, jego przelozeni, nie sa zainteresowani
przekazywaniem wlasnych opinii a gromadzeniem
cudzych.

11. Piotr od lat ulatwia prace donosicielom
ograniczajac swobode wypowiedzi w internecie;
pietnujac anonimowosc oraz domagajac sie by
wszyscy Internauci podpisywali sie swoimi
prawdziwymi imionami i nazwiskami.

12. Gdy Trybunał Praw Człowieka w Strasburgu
orzekł że Grzegorz Braun mial prawo nazwac
profesora Miodka SB'ekiem, Piotr Trela usilowal
ograniczyc swobode wypowiedzi Brauna
Argumentujac ze uczciwy system to taki w
ktorym "lepiej by winny uszedl karze niz zeby
niewinnego skrzywdzic."

Piotr zaczal bronic systemu prawnego
ktory nie wymierzyl sprawiedliwosci ani
jednemu z SB’eckich oprawcow zapominajac
ze Braun nie domagal sie kary dla SB'eka
tylko swobody wypowiedzi dla siebie.

13. Piotr w swoim nowym miejscu
zamieszkania szybko dal sie poznac
jako proponent internetowej cenzury,
nazywajac idiotami Nowofundlandczykow
uskarzajacych sie na cenzure w netcie.

14. Piotr zapytany na soc.culture.polish o
dokladna date swojego wyjazdu z PRL’u do
Kanada- w okresie rzadow Rakowieckiego
i Kiszczaka czy tez pozniej, gdy uzyskanie
paszportu nie bylo powiazane z probami
werbunku do wspolpracy ze Sluzba Bezpieczenstwa,
odpowiada milczeniem oraz natychmiastowym
i bezpowrotnym zerwaniem wieloletniego
kolezenstwa z pytajacym go p. Andrzejem Strakiem.

Czy Piotr byl SB'eckim donosicielem tego
niewiem, wiem tylko ze na Jaskotowym Uniwersytecie,
i nie tylko, byli tacy! Gdy zas komuna padala
w 1989r istniala czy tez mogla byc postrzegana
grozba ze donosiciele moga zostac zdemaskowani
i ukarani.

Z pewnoscia wladze Uniwerystetu Szczecinskiego
(SB'ecja, kapitan Cholewa, pro-rektor Homa,
Rektor Jaskot) czynili kroki by zapewnic
donosicielom nalezyte bezpieczenstwo, odwrot,
alibi, czy ewakuacje. Piotr wlasnie w tym okresie
czasu i jako pracownik uniwerstytetu (!) z wiza
studencka w PRL'owskim paszporcie wyjezdza
na szkolenia doktoranckie do Kanada. Dzisiaj
panikuje pytany o szczegoly swojego wyjazdu.

Ubecka metodyka dyskusji Piotra do wgladu
w archiwach Google'a. Kazdy moze sobie wyrobic
opinie z kim/czym ma do czynienia."

A tutaj fotka:

https://i0.wp.com/gazette.mun.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/biology.jpg
From left are project team members Drs. "Piotr Trela", "Sally Goddard", "Margaret Caldwell" and "Jane Costello". (Absent: Dr. "Anna Rissanen")

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 8:03:37 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 7:54:21 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 10:40:27 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:18:16 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mr. Piotr Trela, who is likely a former member
> > > > of the Polish Communist Secutrity forces,
> > > > SB (Sluzba Bezpieczenstwa), possibly an
> > > > active member of other such agency
> > >
> > > Would you mind signing your allegations with your true name, Mr. ... "Basia" ?
> > Please ask here: e-mail: dr.cies...@gmail.com.
> > Basia (Ona/Jej)
> Since in your public insinuations you use my full name, your refusal to sign your allegation with your true name, and hiding instead behind a fake persona, tells all about you and about the value
> of your accusations.
>
> But your safety in anonymity maybe illusory - if somebody considered it worthy - it would be very easy for any defamation lawyer to find the owner of the "Basia" account.
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/edward-zwolan-b5698b8/ ?
>
> ==
> Piotr Trela

Threats of lawsuits? You are kidding me,
right, Mr.Trela?

Honestly, I have no clue whether you have
ever been an informant, a member of the
SB or any similar organization, or whether
you have co-operated with such or not.

However, your personal history and professional
presence in heavily SB penetrated environments
suggests a possibility.

A very well established pattern of distortive,
highly manipulative and at times extremely
evasive discourse (example: inability to recall
date of arrival in Canada) adds to the perceived
likelihood.

Polish authorities suggest the existence
of several thousand former SB informants
in today’s academic circles in Poland,
where Piotr Trela during the period
of communist Martial Law, or shortly
thereafter, has started his professional
career.

A compilation of publicly accessible
information about Piotr has been made
available to readers of soc.culture.polish
to help form a personal opinion about
him. A translation is up-coming as Piotr
has decided, during armed conflict with
Russia and for unknown reasons, to
converse also in the English language.

Mr. Piotr Trela, has been for years
involved in intensive 'oversight' of
the Polish newsgroup soc.culture.polish.
He has routinely engaged in various
textual manipulations and misquotations.
citing words of various group members
completely out of their proper context
and propagating them in an effort to
smear, discredit and defame.

In response to Piotr Trela’s continued
mischaracterizations and insults, in both
Polish and recently English languages,
I am providing some background information
about this individual:

https://ca.linkedin.com/in/piotr-trela-81906b41

1. Piotr od malego dziecka byl wychowankiem
ideologicznych komunistow Jaskotow.

Piotr Trela:
“Pania Jaskot znalem jako 7-latek”

2. Kazimierz Jaskot, czlonek KC PZPR
byl rektorem Czerwonego Uniwersytetu
kompletnie spenetrowanego przez SB'ecje
gdzie donosicielstwo i szykany oraz
wyrzucanie ze studiow byly codziennoscia.

Koniec Szkoly Serwilizmu str.5
http://ksi.home.pl/archiwaprzelomu/obrazy/AP-24-1-3-1_46.pdf

Czasy Mocno Polityczne
https://historiaus.usz.edu.pl/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/ks-28-30.01.2011-2..jpg

3. Piotr byl prosperujacym pracownikiem tego
wlasnie SB'eckiego Uniwersytetu i znajdowal
zatrudnienie w Zakladzie Teledetekcji specjalizujacym
sie w przeroznych formach elektronicznego nasluchu.

Piotr Trela: Szczecin University, Zaklad Teledetekcji
http://www.ices.dk/sites/pub/Publication%20Reports/Marine%20Science%20Symposia/Phase%202/Rapport%20et%20Proces-Verbaux%20des%20Reunions%20-%20Volume%20188%20-%201989%20-%20Partie%2040%20de%2071.pdf

4. Gdy Piotr byl jeszcze studentem w Gdansku
jego wspol-lokatorzy w akademickim pokoju
wpadali w rece SB'ecji, pozniej skazywani byli
na wieloletnie wyroki wiezienia.

Piotr Trela:
“…mojego kolegi z ktorym mieszkalem w jednym pokoju w
akademiku i ktory dostal 3 lata za przewozenie paru ulotek (i odsiedzial z
tego 2 lata).

5. Piotr bral udzial w licznych protestach
i zadymach przeciwko komunie, min. w Gdansku,
ale w obliczu milicyjnych lapanek nie uciekal.
Gdzie inni ryzykowali zdrowiem a nawet zyciem
by nie zostac pojmanym przez ZOMO, Piotr
pozostawal w miejscu.

Piotr Trela:
“…mielismy nadzieje, ze ZOMO nie zatrzyma
pociagu by nas wygarnac...pociag zatrzymal sie po ujechaniu
50 metrow. ZOMO wbieglo na peron i czekalo. Zrobilo sie nieprzyjemnie.
Niektorzy z nas zawierzyli swoim nogom - otwierali awaryjne drzwi z
drugiej strony i pryskali na tory …postanowilem zostac w pociagu,”

6. Piotr klamie twierdzac ze nie widzial na
oczy Jaskota, Rektora uniwersytetu na ktorym
byl pracownikiem naukowym (Uniwersytet Szczecinski
liczyl wtedy niewiele ponad 50 osob lokalnego grona
pedagogicznego, wiekszosc wykladowcow byla
wowczas wizytujaca).

https://historiaus.usz.edu.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/PTDC0003.jpg

7. Piotr Trela nawet dzisiaj grozi swoim oponentom
donosicielstwem (patrz cytat grozba donosu
oraz pobicia, "skucia mordy," w wypadku powrotu
do Polski!)

Piotr Trela:
“I jesli...przyjada kiedys do Polski to niech uwazaja - …ten ze zdjecia…dowie sie co o nim wypisujecie, to wam morde skuje.”

8. Piotr nie chce udzielic odpowiedzi na proste
pytania z ktorymi nikt na emigranckiej grupie
spolecznosciowej nie ma najmniejszego problemu,
np. kto w PRL rekomendowal na zagraniczne
studia doktoranckie do Kanady – Piotr przywoluje
prawo przestepcow do nie-samo-inkryminacji.

9. Piotr w pierwszym swoim tekscie opublikowanym
na Zachodzie zawarl donos. Poinformowal kanadyjska
publike ze Komunisci w Polsce nie sa prawdziwymi
Marksistami-Leninistami.

Piotr Trela:
"I wanted to see a believing Marxist-Lenninist with
my own eyes. Spending 29 years in a Marxist Lenninist
country I hadn't met any... . I was anxious to see my
first live Marxist-Leninist.

Strona nr. 7
http://dalspace.library.dal.ca/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10222/52077/dalhousiegazette_volume122_issue4_september_28_1989.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

10. Piotr w przeciagu 27 lat dzialalnosci na grupie
dyskusyjnej soc.culture.polish napisal tysiace
reply'ow ale samemu nie otworzyl wiecej nizeli
kilkudziesieciu wlasnych watkow. Wiekszosc
dopiero wtedy gdy zostalo to zauwazone w
2016 roku, i zostala mu zwrocona uwaga.
Donosiciel, jego przelozeni, nie sa zainteresowani
przekazywaniem wlasnych opinii a gromadzeniem
cudzych.

11. Piotr od lat ulatwia prace donosicielom
ograniczajac swobode wypowiedzi w internecie;
pietnujac anonimowosc oraz domagajac sie by
wszyscy Internauci podpisywali sie swoimi
prawdziwymi imionami i nazwiskami.

12. Gdy Trybunał Praw Człowieka w Strasburgu
orzekł że Grzegorz Braun mial prawo nazwac
profesora Miodka SB'ekiem, Piotr Trela usilowal
ograniczyc swobode wypowiedzi Brauna
Argumentujac ze uczciwy system to taki w
ktorym "lepiej by winny uszedl karze niz zeby
niewinnego skrzywdzic."

Piotr zaczal bronic systemu prawnego
ktory nie wymierzyl sprawiedliwosci ani
jednemu z SB’eckich oprawcow zapominajac
ze Braun nie domagal sie kary dla SB'eka
tylko swobody wypowiedzi dla siebie.

13. Piotr w swoim nowym miejscu
zamieszkania szybko dal sie poznac
jako proponent internetowej cenzury,
nazywajac idiotami Nowofundlandczykow
uskarzajacych sie na cenzure w netcie.

14. Piotr zapytany na soc.culture.polish o
dokladna date swojego wyjazdu z PRL’u do
Kanada- w okresie rzadow Rakowieckiego
i Kiszczaka czy tez pozniej, gdy uzyskanie
paszportu nie bylo powiazane z probami
werbunku do wspolpracy ze Sluzba Bezpieczenstwa,
odpowiada milczeniem oraz natychmiastowym
i bezpowrotnym zerwaniem wieloletniego
kolezenstwa z pytajacym go p. Andrzejem Strakiem.

Czy Piotr byl SB'eckim donosicielem tego
niewiem, wiem tylko ze na Jaskotowym Uniwersytecie,
i nie tylko, byli tacy! Gdy zas komuna padala
w 1989r istniala czy tez mogla byc postrzegana
grozba ze donosiciele moga zostac zdemaskowani
i ukarani.

Z pewnoscia wladze Uniwerystetu Szczecinskiego
(SB'ecja, kapitan Cholewa, pro-rektor Homa,
Rektor Jaskot) czynili kroki by zapewnic
donosicielom nalezyte bezpieczenstwo, odwrot,
alibi, czy ewakuacje. Piotr wlasnie w tym okresie
czasu i jako pracownik uniwerstytetu (!) z wiza
studencka w PRL'owskim paszporcie wyjezdza
na szkolenia doktoranckie do Kanada. Dzisiaj
panikuje pytany o szczegoly swojego wyjazdu.

Ubecka metodyka dyskusji Piotra do wgladu
w archiwach Google'a. Kazdy moze sobie wyrobic
opinie z kim/czym ma do czynienia."

A tutaj fotka:

https://i0.wp.com/gazette.mun.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/biology.jpg
From left are project team members Drs. "Piotr Trela", "Sally Goddard", "Margaret Caldwell" and "Jane Costello". (Absent: Dr. "Anna Rissanen")

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 1:05:09 AM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 8:03:37 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 7:54:21 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 10:40:27 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:18:16 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:

> > Since in your public insinuations you use my full name, your refusal to sign your allegation with your true name, and hiding instead behind a fake persona, tells all about you and about the value of your accusations.
> >
> > But your safety in anonymity maybe illusory - if somebody considered it worthy - it would be very easy for any defamation lawyer to find the owner of the "Basia" account.
> > https://www.linkedin.com/in/edward-zwolan-b5698b8/ ?
> > ==
> > Piotr Trela

> Threats of lawsuits? You are kidding me, right, Mr.Trela?

Why? Because faceless cowards should have the right to publicly defame, identified by
their true names, opponents? I can think of a few charities that could make a good
use of your money. Perhaps somebody helping victims of sexual assaults, some of
whom you Mr Zwolan, are _on record_, calling:
- "depraved German bitches",
- "whores",
- "German whores in search of colored penises" ,
- "depraved German [women]",

That's Edward Zwolan, on the 1,200 women who reported being sexually assaulted during the 2015–16 public New Year's Eve's celebrations in Germany.

> Honestly, I have no clue whether you have ever been an informant, a member of the
> SB or any similar organization, or whether you have co-operated with such or not.

And having "NO CLUE" - you still write:
"is LIKELY a former member of the Polish Communist Secutrity forces,
SB (Sluzba Bezpieczenstwa), possibly an active member of other such agency "

So you are saying that even if I had NO CLUE whether your are a child molester or not,
I could still write on public forum that:
"[your true name here] is LIKELY a child molester"?

> However, your personal history and professional presence in heavily SB penetrated
> environments suggests a possibility.

So is everybody who lived in Communist Poland (aka. "heavily SB penetrated environment")
including YOU and your family, who somehow managed to get passports to travel to the
West, at the time when the borders were closed, and the SB supervisors at the passport
offices were using issuing the passports to "blackmail and to pressure" some of the applicants.

You have ZERO proofs for your insinuations - your list of "proofs" comes from the head of the same Edward Zwolan:

- who has deduced that I have used the (uninstalled at th time) antenna for the Sea Surface Temperature satellite data to ...listen on the stationary telephone calls of the Solidarity opposition members.

- who, relying on his ... "feminine eye", has claimed that some ... random 1st grader from a 50-year old photograph was .... a future Communist apparatchik - BASED SOLELY on the fact that he ...smiled to the camera when the teacher take a picture of her class!

Mr. Zwolan also diagnosed the children who didn't smile as ...having been molested, while the kid who smiled - either smiled because being a future Communist he was exempted from being molested, or, alternatively, he smiled because he ...liked to be molested.
And this is the level of insight on which Mr. Zwolan bases his claims that his opponent is:
"likely a former member of the Polish Communist Secutrity forces,
SB (Sluzba Bezpieczenstwa), possibly an active member of other such agency"

And all these - because he can't stand being confronted with his ... OWN WORDS::

Edward Zwolan, on the "1,200 women reportedly sexually assaulted during the 2015–16 public New Year's Eve's celebrations in Germany":
- "depraved German bitches",
- "whores",
- "German whores in search of colored penises" ,
- "depraved German [women]",

Compare with the same Edward Zwolan on the accused perpetrators:
- "virile randy Semites"
- " the Semites with long .... [ "colored phalluses" ] objectively are in the right!"
- "nothing but negativity toward these virile Semites, the public prejudiced against them.
But Basia [Ed Zwolan's feminine Internet handle] says: "Hola!""

By their own words you shall know them.
Not by the delusions of others about them. Even if these delusions are numbered to appear
more credible.
=Piotr

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 10:22:57 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:

> And this is the level of insight on which Mr. Zwolan bases his claims that his opponent is:
> "likely a former member of the Polish Communist Secutrity forces,
> SB (Sluzba Bezpieczenstwa), possibly an active member of other such agency"
>
> And all these - because he can't stand being confronted with his ... OWN WORDS::

Piotr Trela's personal history and professional
presence in heavily SB penetrated environments
suggests a possibility.

A very well established pattern of distortive,
highly manipulative and at times extremely
evasive discourse (example: inability to recall
date of arrival in Canada) adds to the perceived
likelihood.

Polish authorities suggest the existence
of several thousand former SB informants
in today’s academic circles in Poland,
where Piotr Trela during the period
of communist Martial Law, or shortly
thereafter, has started his professional
career.

A compilation of publicly accessible
information about Piotr has been made
available to readers of soc.culture.polish
to help form a personal opinion about
him. A translation is up-coming as Piotr
has decided, during armed conflict with
Russia and for unknown reasons, to
converse also in the English language.

https://ca.linkedin.com/in/piotr-trela-81906b41

1. Piotr od malego dziecka byl wychowankiem
ideologicznych komunistow Jaskotow.

Piotr Trela:
“Pania Jaskot znalem jako 7-latek”

2. Kazimierz Jaskot, czlonek KC PZPR
byl rektorem Czerwonego Uniwersytetu
kompletnie spenetrowanego przez SB'ecje
gdzie donosicielstwo i szykany oraz
wyrzucanie ze studiow byly codziennoscia.

Koniec Szkoly Serwilizmu str.5
http://ksi.home.pl/archiwaprzelomu/obrazy/AP-24-1-3-1_46.pdf

Czasy Mocno Polityczne
https://historiaus.usz.edu.pl/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/ks-28-30.01.2011-2..jpg

3. Piotr byl prosperujacym pracownikiem tego
wlasnie SB'eckiego Uniwersytetu i znajdowal
zatrudnienie w Zakladzie Teledetekcji specjalizujacym
sie w przeroznych formach elektronicznego nasluchu.

Piotr Trela: Szczecin University, Zaklad Teledetekcji
http://www.ices.dk/sites/pub/Publication%20Reports/Marine%20Science%20Symposia/Phase%202/Rapport%20et%20Proces-Verbaux%20des%20Reunions%20-%20Volume%20188%20-%201989%20-%20Partie%2040%20de%2071.pdf

4. Gdy Piotr byl jeszcze studentem w Gdansku
jego wspol-lokatorzy w akademickim pokoju
wpadali w rece SB'ecji, pozniej skazywani byli
na wieloletnie wyroki wiezienia.

Piotr Trela:
“…mojego kolegi z ktorym mieszkalem w jednym pokoju w
akademiku i ktory dostal 3 lata za przewozenie paru ulotek (i odsiedzial z
tego 2 lata).

5. Piotr bral udzial w licznych protestach
i zadymach przeciwko komunie, min. w Gdansku,
ale w obliczu milicyjnych lapanek nie uciekal.
Gdzie inni ryzykowali zdrowiem a nawet zyciem
by nie zostac pojmanym przez ZOMO, Piotr
pozostawal w miejscu.

Piotr Trela:
“…mielismy nadzieje, ze ZOMO nie zatrzyma
pociagu by nas wygarnac...pociag zatrzymal sie po ujechaniu
50 metrow. ZOMO wbieglo na peron i czekalo. Zrobilo sie nieprzyjemnie.
Niektorzy z nas zawierzyli swoim nogom - otwierali awaryjne drzwi z
drugiej strony i pryskali na tory …postanowilem zostac w pociagu,”

6. Piotr klamie twierdzac ze nie widzial na
oczy Jaskota, Rektora uniwersytetu na ktorym
byl pracownikiem naukowym (Uniwersytet Szczecinski
liczyl wtedy niewiele ponad 50 osob lokalnego grona
pedagogicznego, wiekszosc wykladowcow byla
wowczas wizytujaca).

https://historiaus.usz.edu.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/PTDC0003.jpg

7. Piotr Trela nawet dzisiaj grozi swoim oponentom
donosicielstwem (patrz cytat grozba donosu
oraz pobicia, "skucia mordy," w wypadku powrotu
do Polski!)

Piotr Trela:
“I jesli...przyjada kiedys do Polski to niech uwazaja - …ten ze zdjecia…dowie sie co o nim wypisujecie, to wam morde skuje.”

8. Piotr nie chce udzielic odpowiedzi na proste
pytania z ktorymi nikt na emigranckiej grupie
spolecznosciowej nie ma najmniejszego problemu,
np. kto w PRL rekomendowal na zagraniczne
studia doktoranckie do Kanady – Piotr przywoluje
Argumentujac ze uczciwy system to taki w
ktorym "lepiej by winny uszedl karze niz zeby
niewinnego skrzywdzic."

Piotr zaczal bronic systemu prawnego
ktory nie wymierzyl sprawiedliwosci ani
jednemu z SB’eckich oprawcow zapominajac
ze Braun nie domagal sie kary dla SB'eka
tylko swobody wypowiedzi dla siebie.

13. Piotr w swoim nowym miejscu
zamieszkania szybko dal sie poznac
jako proponent internetowej cenzury,
nazywajac idiotami Nowofundlandczykow
uskarzajacych sie na cenzure w netcie.

14. Piotr zapytany na soc.culture.polish o
dokladna date swojego wyjazdu z PRL’u do
Kanada- w okresie rzadow Rakowieckiego
i Kiszczaka czy tez pozniej, gdy uzyskanie
paszportu nie bylo powiazane z probami
werbunku do wspolpracy ze Sluzba Bezpieczenstwa,
odpowiada milczeniem oraz natychmiastowym
i bezpowrotnym zerwaniem wieloletniego
kolezenstwa z pytajacym go p. Andrzejem Strakiem.

Czy Piotr byl SB'eckim donosicielem tego
niewiem, wiem tylko ze na Jaskotowym Uniwersytecie,
i nie tylko, byli tacy! Gdy zas komuna padala
w 1989r istniala czy tez mogla byc postrzegana
grozba ze donosiciele moga zostac zdemaskowani
i ukarani.

Z pewnoscia wladze Uniwerystetu Szczecinskiego
(SB'ecja, kapitan Cholewa, pro-rektor Homa,
Rektor Jaskot) czynili kroki by zapewnic
donosicielom nalezyte bezpieczenstwo, odwrot,
alibi, czy ewakuacje. Piotr wlasnie w tym okresie
czasu i jako pracownik uniwerstytetu (!) z wiza
studencka w PRL'owskim paszporcie wyjezdza
na szkolenia doktoranckie do Kanada. Dzisiaj
panikuje pytany o szczegoly swojego wyjazdu.

Ubecka metodyka dyskusji Piotra do wgladu
w archiwach Google'a. Kazdy moze sobie wyrobic
opinie z kim/czym ma do czynienia."

A tutaj fotka:

https://i0.wp.com/gazette.mun.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/biology.jpg
From left are project team members Drs. "Piotr Trela", "Sally Goddard", "Margaret Caldwell" and "Jane Costello". (Absent: Dr. "Anna Rissanen")

Science in Poland PAP (auto-generated translation below)
https://www.wprost.pl/edukacja/10165250/nowe-przepisy-o-lustracji-na-uczelniach-moga-dotyczyc-nawet-kilku-tysiecy-osob.html

New regulations on lustration at universities. "They may concern even several thousand people"

The new regulations on lustration at universities may be felt by even several thousand people who cooperated with the security services during the Polish People's Republic - Deputy Minister of Science and Higher Education Piotr Müller said in an interview with PAP. In his opinion, universities need decommunization.

The Law on Higher Education and Science (Constitution for Science, Law 2.0), in force since October 1, 2018, provides for changes to the provisions on vetting at universities. Pursuant to the Act, a person who "did not work from July 22, 1944 to July 31, 1990, may become a member of the university council, a member of the university senate, a member of the Science Evaluation Committee, the Scientific Excellence Council, the Polish Accreditation Committee, or a titular professor" and did not serve in state security agencies (...) and did not cooperate with these authorities ”.

"Decommunization" at universities

Deputy Minister of Science and Higher Education Piotr Müller in an interview with PAP called these provisions "decommunizing". When asked whether decommunization is still needed at universities, he replied: "Without a doubt." He assessed that the introduction of new regulations "may be a stage of a delayed, but still settlement of, issues related to the functioning of the People's Republic of Poland".

When asked how many people the new regulations will make their academic career difficult, Piotr Müller commented: “We do not have such data, because we do not have a way to collect it. But I think it could even affect several thousand people in the country. " - The latest research by the Institute of National Remembrance shows that the environments at universities were very infiltrated and there were many people there who were secret collaborators - said the deputy minister.

The provisions related to vetting are to prevent the performance of important functions in higher education not only by lustration liars, but in general all persons who collaborated with the SB or were functionaries of these services. Persons applying for the positions listed in the Act will have to submit a lustration declaration. - If someone in such a statement writes that he was a secret SB officer, he will not be able to perform these important functions - said the deputy minister. And he added that if someone makes a false statement, they will be breaking the law.

He recalled that so far only a small group of people who applied for managerial positions were obliged to submit lustration declarations at universities. - There was not even awareness of the content of this lustration declaration - he assessed. According to him, the new regulations will result in the fact that people who cooperated with the SB will not want to perform managerial functions at all.

Not too late?

When asked if it made sense to introduce such legislation only now, he said yes. He calculated: - Suppose that in 1989 someone was 30 years old, had already made a career at the university and was an informer. Today, such a person is 59 years old. He still has many years of work at the university ahead of him. And people of that age often play a significant role in higher education, 'he said.

On Tuesday, 3 May 2022 at 07:32:18 UTC+2, Basia wrote:
> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 10:22:57 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
>
> > And this is the level of insight on which Mr. Zwolan bases his claims that his opponent is:
> > "likely a former member of the Polish Communist Secutrity forces,
> > SB (Sluzba Bezpieczenstwa), possibly an active member of other such agency"
> >
> > And all these - because he can't stand being confronted with his ... OWN WORDS::
> Piotr Trela's personal history and professional
> presence in heavily SB penetrated environments
> suggests a possibility.
> A very well established pattern of distortive,
> highly manipulative and at times extremely
> evasive discourse (example: inability to recall
> date of arrival in Canada) adds to the perceived
> likelihood.
>
> Polish authorities suggest the existence
> of several thousand former SB informants
> in today’s academic circles in Poland,
> where Piotr Trela during the period
> of communist Martial Law, or shortly
> thereafter, has started his professional
> career.
>
> A compilation of publicly accessible
> information about Piotr has been made
> available to readers of soc.culture.polish
> to help form a personal opinion about
> him. A translation is up-coming as Piotr
> has decided, during armed conflict with
> Russia and for unknown reasons, to
> converse also in the English language.
> https://ca.linkedin.com/in/piotr-trela-81906b41
>
> 1. Piotr od malego dziecka byl wychowankiem
> ideologicznych komunistow Jaskotow.
>
> Piotr Trela:
> “Pania Jaskot znalem jako 7-latek”
>
> 2. Kazimierz Jaskot, czlonek KC PZPR
> byl rektorem Czerwonego Uniwersytetu
> kompletnie spenetrowanego przez SB'ecje
> gdzie donosicielstwo i szykany oraz
> wyrzucanie ze studiow byly codziennoscia.
>
> Koniec Szkoly Serwilizmu str.5
> http://ksi.home.pl/archiwaprzelomu/obrazy/AP-24-1-3-1_46.pdf
>
> Czasy Mocno Polityczne
> https://historiaus.usz.edu.pl/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/ks-28-30.01.2011-2.jpg
>
> 3. Piotr byl prosperujacym pracownikiem tego
> wlasnie SB'eckiego Uniwersytetu i znajdowal
> zatrudnienie w Zakladzie Teledetekcji specjalizujacym
> sie w przeroznych formach elektronicznego nasluchu.
>
> Piotr Trela: Szczecin University, Zaklad Teledetekcji
> http://www.ices.dk/sites/pub/Publication%20Reports/Marine%20Science%20Symposia/Phase%202/Rapport%20et%20Proces-Verbaux%20des%20Reunions%20-%20Volume%20188%20-%201989%20-%20Partie%2040%20de%2071.pdf
>
> 4. Gdy Piotr byl jeszcze studentem w Gdansku
> jego wspol-lokatorzy w akademickim pokoju
> wpadali w rece SB'ecji, pozniej skazywani byli
> na wieloletnie wyroki wiezienia.
>
> Piotr Trela:
> “…mojego kolegi z ktorym mieszkalem w jednym pokoju w
> akademiku i ktory dostal 3 lata za przewozenie paru ulotek (i odsiedzial z
> tego 2 lata).
>
> 5. Piotr bral udzial w licznych protestach
> i zadymach przeciwko komunie, min. w Gdansku,
> ale w obliczu milicyjnych lapanek nie uciekal.
> Gdzie inni ryzykowali zdrowiem a nawet zyciem
> by nie zostac pojmanym przez ZOMO, Piotr
> pozostawal w miejscu.
>
> Piotr Trela:
> “…mielismy nadzieje, ze ZOMO nie zatrzyma
> pociagu by nas wygarnac...pociag zatrzymal sie po ujechaniu
> 50 metrow. ZOMO wbieglo na peron i czekalo. Zrobilo sie nieprzyjemnie.
> Niektorzy z nas zawierzyli swoim nogom - otwierali awaryjne drzwi z
> drugiej strony i pryskali na tory …postanowilem zostac w pociagu,”
>
> 6. Piotr klamie twierdzac ze nie widzial na
> oczy Jaskota, Rektora uniwersytetu na ktorym
> byl pracownikiem naukowym (Uniwersytet Szczecinski
> liczyl wtedy niewiele ponad 50 osob lokalnego grona
> pedagogicznego, wiekszosc wykladowcow byla
> wowczas wizytujaca).
>
> https://historiaus.usz.edu.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/PTDC0003.jpg
>
> 7. Piotr Trela nawet dzisiaj grozi swoim oponentom
> donosicielstwem (patrz cytat grozba donosu
> oraz pobicia, "skucia mordy," w wypadku powrotu
> do Polski!)
>
> Piotr Trela:
> “I jesli...przyjada kiedys do Polski to niech uwazaja - …ten ze zdjecia…dowie sie co o nim wypisujecie, to wam morde skuje.”
>
> 8. Piotr nie chce udzielic odpowiedzi na proste
> pytania z ktorymi nikt na emigranckiej grupie
> spolecznosciowej nie ma najmniejszego problemu,
> np. kto w PRL rekomendowal na zagraniczne
> studia doktoranckie do Kanady – Piotr przywoluje
> Argumentujac ze uczciwy system to taki w
> ktorym "lepiej by winny uszedl karze niz zeby
> niewinnego skrzywdzic."
>
> Piotr zaczal bronic systemu prawnego
> ktory nie wymierzyl sprawiedliwosci ani
> jednemu z SB’eckich oprawcow zapominajac
> ze Braun nie domagal sie kary dla SB'eka
> tylko swobody wypowiedzi dla siebie.
>
> 13. Piotr w swoim nowym miejscu
> zamieszkania szybko dal sie poznac
> jako proponent internetowej cenzury,
> nazywajac idiotami Nowofundlandczykow
> uskarzajacych sie na cenzure w netcie.
>
> 14. Piotr zapytany na soc.culture.polish o
> dokladna date swojego wyjazdu z PRL’u do
> Kanada- w okresie rzadow Rakowieckiego
> i Kiszczaka czy tez pozniej, gdy uzyskanie
> paszportu nie bylo powiazane z probami
> werbunku do wspolpracy ze Sluzba Bezpieczenstwa,
> odpowiada milczeniem oraz natychmiastowym
> i bezpowrotnym zerwaniem wieloletniego
> kolezenstwa z pytajacym go p. Andrzejem Strakiem.
>
> Czy Piotr byl SB'eckim donosicielem tego
> niewiem, wiem tylko ze na Jaskotowym Uniwersytecie,
> i nie tylko, byli tacy! Gdy zas komuna padala
> w 1989r istniala czy tez mogla byc postrzegana
> grozba ze donosiciele moga zostac zdemaskowani
> i ukarani.
>
> Z pewnoscia wladze Uniwerystetu Szczecinskiego
> (SB'ecja, kapitan Cholewa, pro-rektor Homa,
> Rektor Jaskot) czynili kroki by zapewnic
> donosicielom nalezyte bezpieczenstwo, odwrot,
> alibi, czy ewakuacje. Piotr wlasnie w tym okresie
> czasu i jako pracownik uniwerstytetu (!) z wiza
> studencka w PRL'owskim paszporcie wyjezdza
> na szkolenia doktoranckie do Kanada. Dzisiaj
> panikuje pytany o szczegoly swojego wyjazdu.
>
> Ubecka metodyka dyskusji Piotra do wgladu
> w archiwach Google'a. Kazdy moze sobie wyrobic
> opinie z kim/czym ma do czynienia."
>
> A tutaj fotka:
>
> https://i0.wp.com/gazette.mun.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/biology.jpg
> From left are project team members Drs. "Piotr Trela", "Sally Goddard", "Margaret Caldwell" and "Jane Costello". (Absent: Dr. "Anna Rissanen")
>
> Science in Poland PAP (auto-generated translation below)
> https://www.wprost.pl/edukacja/10165250/nowe-przepisy-o-lustracji-na-uczelniach-moga-dotyczyc-nawet-kilku-tysiecy-osob.html
>
> New regulations on lustration at universities. "They may concern even several thousand people"
>
> The new regulations on lustration at universities may be felt by even several thousand people who cooperated with the security services during the Polish People's Republic - Deputy Minister of Science and Higher Education Piotr Müller said in an interview with PAP. In his opinion, universities need decommunization.
>
> The Law on Higher Education and Science (Constitution for Science, Law 2.0), in force since October 1, 2018, provides for changes to the provisions on vetting at universities. Pursuant to the Act, a person who "did not work from July 22, 1944 to July 31, 1990, may become a member of the university council, a member of the university senate, a member of the Science Evaluation Committee, the Scientific Excellence Council, the Polish Accreditation Committee, or a titular professor" and did not serve in state security agencies (...) and did not cooperate with these authorities ”.
>
> "Decommunization" at universities
>
> Deputy Minister of Science and Higher Education Piotr Müller in an interview with PAP called these provisions "decommunizing". When asked whether decommunization is still needed at universities, he replied: "Without a doubt." He assessed that the introduction of new regulations "may be a stage of a delayed, but still settlement of, issues related to the functioning of the People's Republic of Poland".
>
> When asked how many people the new regulations will make their academic career difficult, Piotr Müller commented: “We do not have such data, because we do not have a way to collect it. But I think it could even affect several thousand people in the country. " - The latest research by the Institute of National Remembrance shows that the environments at universities were very infiltrated and there were many people there who were secret collaborators - said the deputy minister.
>
> The provisions related to vetting are to prevent the performance of important functions in higher education not only by lustration liars, but in general all persons who collaborated with the SB or were functionaries of these services. Persons applying for the positions listed in the Act will have to submit a lustration declaration. - If someone in such a statement writes that he was a secret SB officer, he will not be able to perform these important functions - said the deputy minister. And he added that if someone makes a false statement, they will be breaking the law.
>
> He recalled that so far only a small group of people who applied for managerial positions were obliged to submit lustration declarations at universities. - There was not even awareness of the content of this lustration declaration - he assessed. According to him, the new regulations will result in the fact that people who cooperated with the SB will not want to perform managerial functions at all.
>
> Not too late?
>
> When asked if it made sense to introduce such legislation only now, he said yes. He calculated: - Suppose that in 1989 someone was 30 years old, had already made a career at the university and was an informer. Today, such a person is 59 years old. He still has many years of work at the university ahead of him. And people of that age often play a significant role in higher education, 'he said.
>
> The deputy minister pointed out that the new lustration provisions did not apply to members of the Polish Academy of Sciences or management positions at the academy, because the Act does not cover the Polish Academy of Sciences. - Here, unfortunately, these new regulations do not apply. I say it with sadness - the interlocutor commented.
>
> The provisions on the vetting of candidates for professors will enter into force on April 30, 2019. And the provisions on the vetting of candidates for managerial positions and newly elected members of university governing bodies have been in force since October this year.
>
> Source: Science in Poland PAP
>
> https://www.wprost.pl/edukacja/10165250/nowe-przepisy-o-lustracji-na-uczelniach-moga-dotyczyc-nawet-kilku-tysiecy-osob.html
Ta lustracja nie będzie obejmowała akademików na emigracji
ale przecież jest IPN i łatwo sprawdzić, czy ktoś ma kartotekę czy jej nie ma.

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 10:32:18 PM UTC-7, Basia wrote:
> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 10:22:57 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
>
> > And this is the level of insight on which Mr. Zwolan bases his claims that his opponent is:
> > "likely a former member of the Polish Communist Secutrity forces,
> > SB (Sluzba Bezpieczenstwa), possibly an active member of other such agency"
> >
> > And all these - because he can't stand being confronted with his ... OWN WORDS::
>
> Piotr Trela's personal history and professional
> presence in heavily SB penetrated environments
> suggests a possibility.
> A very well established pattern of distortive,
> highly manipulative and at times extremely
> evasive discourse (example: inability to recall
> date of arrival in Canada) adds to the perceived
> likelihood.
>
> Polish authorities suggest the existence
> of several thousand former SB informants
> in today’s academic circles in Poland,
> where Piotr Trela during the period
> of communist Martial Law, or shortly
> thereafter, has started his professional
> career.
>
> A compilation of publicly accessible
> information about Piotr has been made
> available to readers of soc.culture.polish
> to help form a personal opinion about
> him. A translation is up-coming as Piotr
> has decided, during armed conflict with
> Russia and for unknown reasons, to
> converse also in the English language.
> https://ca.linkedin.com/in/piotr-trela-81906b41
>
> 1. Piotr od malego dziecka byl wychowankiem
> ideologicznych komunistow Jaskotow.
>
> Piotr Trela:
> “Pania Jaskot znalem jako 7-latek”
>
> 2. Kazimierz Jaskot, czlonek KC PZPR
> byl rektorem Czerwonego Uniwersytetu
> kompletnie spenetrowanego przez SB'ecje
> gdzie donosicielstwo i szykany oraz
> wyrzucanie ze studiow byly codziennoscia.
>
> Koniec Szkoly Serwilizmu str.5
> http://ksi.home.pl/archiwaprzelomu/obrazy/AP-24-1-3-1_46.pdf
>
> Czasy Mocno Polityczne
> https://historiaus.usz.edu.pl/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/ks-28-30.01.2011-2.jpg
>
> 3. Piotr byl prosperujacym pracownikiem tego
> wlasnie SB'eckiego Uniwersytetu i znajdowal
> zatrudnienie w Zakladzie Teledetekcji specjalizujacym
> sie w przeroznych formach elektronicznego nasluchu.
>
> Piotr Trela: Szczecin University, Zaklad Teledetekcji
> http://www.ices.dk/sites/pub/Publication%20Reports/Marine%20Science%20Symposia/Phase%202/Rapport%20et%20Proces-Verbaux%20des%20Reunions%20-%20Volume%20188%20-%201989%20-%20Partie%2040%20de%2071.pdf
>
> 4. Gdy Piotr byl jeszcze studentem w Gdansku
> jego wspol-lokatorzy w akademickim pokoju
> wpadali w rece SB'ecji, pozniej skazywani byli
> na wieloletnie wyroki wiezienia.
>
> Piotr Trela:
> “…mojego kolegi z ktorym mieszkalem w jednym pokoju w
> akademiku i ktory dostal 3 lata za przewozenie paru ulotek (i odsiedzial z
> tego 2 lata).
>
> 5. Piotr bral udzial w licznych protestach
> i zadymach przeciwko komunie, min. w Gdansku,
> ale w obliczu milicyjnych lapanek nie uciekal.
> Gdzie inni ryzykowali zdrowiem a nawet zyciem
> by nie zostac pojmanym przez ZOMO, Piotr
> pozostawal w miejscu.
>
> Piotr Trela:
> “…mielismy nadzieje, ze ZOMO nie zatrzyma
> pociagu by nas wygarnac...pociag zatrzymal sie po ujechaniu
> 50 metrow. ZOMO wbieglo na peron i czekalo. Zrobilo sie nieprzyjemnie.
> Niektorzy z nas zawierzyli swoim nogom - otwierali awaryjne drzwi z
> drugiej strony i pryskali na tory …postanowilem zostac w pociagu,”
>
> 6. Piotr klamie twierdzac ze nie widzial na
> oczy Jaskota, Rektora uniwersytetu na ktorym
> byl pracownikiem naukowym (Uniwersytet Szczecinski
> liczyl wtedy niewiele ponad 50 osob lokalnego grona
> pedagogicznego, wiekszosc wykladowcow byla
> wowczas wizytujaca).
>
> https://historiaus.usz.edu.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/PTDC0003.jpg
>
> 7. Piotr Trela nawet dzisiaj grozi swoim oponentom
> donosicielstwem (patrz cytat grozba donosu
> oraz pobicia, "skucia mordy," w wypadku powrotu
> do Polski!)
>
> Piotr Trela:
> “I jesli...przyjada kiedys do Polski to niech uwazaja - …ten ze zdjecia…dowie sie co o nim wypisujecie, to wam morde skuje.”
>
> 8. Piotr nie chce udzielic odpowiedzi na proste
> pytania z ktorymi nikt na emigranckiej grupie
> spolecznosciowej nie ma najmniejszego problemu,
> np. kto w PRL rekomendowal na zagraniczne
> studia doktoranckie do Kanady – Piotr przywoluje

Somehow points 8 to 12 got clipped from the
original posting. Here is the missing part.

.....Piotr przywoluje prawo przestepcow do nie-samo-inkryminacji.

9. Piotr w pierwszym swoim tekscie opublikowanym
na Zachodzie zawarl donos. Poinformowal kanadyjska
publike ze Komunisci w Polsce nie sa prawdziwymi
Marksistami-Leninistami.

Piotr Trela:
"I wanted to see a believing Marxist-Lenninist with
my own eyes. Spending 29 years in a Marxist Lenninist
country I hadn't met any... . I was anxious to see my
first live Marxist-Leninist.

Strona nr. 7
http://dalspace.library.dal.ca/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10222/52077/dalhousiegazette_volume122_issue4_september_28_1989.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

10. Piotr w przeciagu 27 lat dzialalnosci na grupie
dyskusyjnej soc.culture.polish napisal tysiace
reply'ow ale samemu nie otworzyl wiecej nizeli
kilkudziesieciu wlasnych watkow. Wiekszosc
dopiero wtedy gdy zostalo to zauwazone w
2016 roku, i zostala mu zwrocona uwaga.
Donosiciel, jego przelozeni, nie sa zainteresowani
przekazywaniem wlasnych opinii a gromadzeniem
cudzych.

11. Piotr od lat ulatwia prace donosicielom
ograniczajac swobode wypowiedzi w internecie;
pietnujac anonimowosc oraz domagajac sie by
wszyscy Internauci podpisywali sie swoimi
prawdziwymi imionami i nazwiskami.

12. Gdy Trybunał Praw Człowieka w Strasburgu
orzekł że Grzegorz Braun mial prawo nazwac
profesora Miodka SB'ekiem, Piotr Trela usilowal
ograniczyc swobode wypowiedzi Brauna
Argumentujac ze uczciwy system to taki w
ktorym "lepiej by winny uszedl karze niz zeby
niewinnego skrzywdzic."
> Piotr zaczal bronic systemu prawnego
> ktory nie wymierzyl sprawiedliwosci ani
> jednemu z SB’eckich oprawcow zapominajac
> ze Braun nie domagal sie kary dla SB'eka
> tylko swobody wypowiedzi dla siebie.
>
> 13. Piotr w swoim nowym miejscu
> zamieszkania szybko dal sie poznac
> jako proponent internetowej cenzury,
> nazywajac idiotami Nowofundlandczykow
> uskarzajacych sie na cenzure w netcie.
>
> 14. Piotr zapytany na soc.culture.polish o
> dokladna date swojego wyjazdu z PRL’u do
> Kanada- w okresie rzadow Rakowieckiego
> i Kiszczaka czy tez pozniej, gdy uzyskanie
> paszportu nie bylo powiazane z probami
> werbunku do wspolpracy ze Sluzba Bezpieczenstwa,
> odpowiada milczeniem oraz natychmiastowym
> i bezpowrotnym zerwaniem wieloletniego
> kolezenstwa z pytajacym go p. Andrzejem Strakiem.
>
> Czy Piotr byl SB'eckim donosicielem tego
> niewiem, wiem tylko ze na Jaskotowym Uniwersytecie,
> i nie tylko, byli tacy! Gdy zas komuna padala
> w 1989r istniala czy tez mogla byc postrzegana
> grozba ze donosiciele moga zostac zdemaskowani
> i ukarani.
>
> Z pewnoscia wladze Uniwerystetu Szczecinskiego
> (SB'ecja, kapitan Cholewa, pro-rektor Homa,
> Rektor Jaskot) czynili kroki by zapewnic
> donosicielom nalezyte bezpieczenstwo, odwrot,
> alibi, czy ewakuacje. Piotr wlasnie w tym okresie
> czasu i jako pracownik uniwerstytetu (!) z wiza
> studencka w PRL'owskim paszporcie wyjezdza
> na szkolenia doktoranckie do Kanada. Dzisiaj
> panikuje pytany o szczegoly swojego wyjazdu.
>
> Ubecka metodyka dyskusji Piotra do wgladu
> w archiwach Google'a. Kazdy moze sobie wyrobic
> opinie z kim/czym ma do czynienia."
>
> A tutaj fotka:
>
> https://i0.wp.com/gazette.mun.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/biology.jpg
> From left are project team members Drs. "Piotr Trela", "Sally Goddard", "Margaret Caldwell" and "Jane Costello". (Absent: Dr. "Anna Rissanen")
>
> Science in Poland PAP (auto-generated translation below)
> https://www.wprost.pl/edukacja/10165250/nowe-przepisy-o-lustracji-na-uczelniach-moga-dotyczyc-nawet-kilku-tysiecy-osob.html
>
> New regulations on lustration at universities. "They may concern even several thousand people"
>
> The new regulations on lustration at universities may be felt by even several thousand people who cooperated with the security services during the Polish People's Republic - Deputy Minister of Science and Higher Education Piotr Müller said in an interview with PAP. In his opinion, universities need decommunization.
>
> The Law on Higher Education and Science (Constitution for Science, Law 2.0), in force since October 1, 2018, provides for changes to the provisions on vetting at universities. Pursuant to the Act, a person who "did not work from July 22, 1944 to July 31, 1990, may become a member of the university council, a member of the university senate, a member of the Science Evaluation Committee, the Scientific Excellence Council, the Polish Accreditation Committee, or a titular professor" and did not serve in state security agencies (...) and did not cooperate with these authorities ”.
>
> "Decommunization" at universities
>
> Deputy Minister of Science and Higher Education Piotr Müller in an interview with PAP called these provisions "decommunizing". When asked whether decommunization is still needed at universities, he replied: "Without a doubt." He assessed that the introduction of new regulations "may be a stage of a delayed, but still settlement of, issues related to the functioning of the People's Republic of Poland".
>
> When asked how many people the new regulations will make their academic career difficult, Piotr Müller commented: “We do not have such data, because we do not have a way to collect it. But I think it could even affect several thousand people in the country. " - The latest research by the Institute of National Remembrance shows that the environments at universities were very infiltrated and there were many people there who were secret collaborators - said the deputy minister.
>
> The provisions related to vetting are to prevent the performance of important functions in higher education not only by lustration liars, but in general all persons who collaborated with the SB or were functionaries of these services. Persons applying for the positions listed in the Act will have to submit a lustration declaration. - If someone in such a statement writes that he was a secret SB officer, he will not be able to perform these important functions - said the deputy minister. And he added that if someone makes a false statement, they will be breaking the law.
>
> He recalled that so far only a small group of people who applied for managerial positions were obliged to submit lustration declarations at universities. - There was not even awareness of the content of this lustration declaration - he assessed. According to him, the new regulations will result in the fact that people who cooperated with the SB will not want to perform managerial functions at all.
>
> Not too late?
>
> When asked if it made sense to introduce such legislation only now, he said yes. He calculated: - Suppose that in 1989 someone was 30 years old, had already made a career at the university and was an informer. Today, such a person is 59 years old. He still has many years of work at the university ahead of him. And people of that age often play a significant role in higher education, 'he said.
>
> The deputy minister pointed out that the new lustration provisions did not apply to members of the Polish Academy of Sciences or management positions at the academy, because the Act does not cover the Polish Academy of Sciences. - Here, unfortunately, these new regulations do not apply. I say it with sadness - the interlocutor commented.
>
> The provisions on the vetting of candidates for professors will enter into force on April 30, 2019. And the provisions on the vetting of candidates for managerial positions and newly elected members of university governing bodies have been in force since October this year.
>
> Source: Science in Poland PAP
>
> https://www.wprost.pl/edukacja/10165250/nowe-przepisy-o-lustracji-na-uczelniach-moga-dotyczyc-nawet-kilku-tysiecy-osob.html

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 12:53:24 AM UTC-7, mant...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ta lustracja nie będzie obejmowała akademików na emigracji
> ale przecież jest IPN i łatwo sprawdzić, czy ktoś ma kartotekę czy jej nie ma.
>
> Jest procedura autolustracji
> i procedura lustracji dziennikarskiej
>
> Skoro zadziałała w przypadku @Bolka to zadziała w przypadku @Pacanowa
> i zostanie oczyszczony z usenetowych defamacji, do końca świata..

Gwoli scislosci Pacana nikt nie defamowal
bo istnieje prawdopodobienstwo ze byl
albo informantem albo samemu SB'ekiem:

"...likely a former member of the Polish
Communist Secutrity forces, SB (Sluzba Bezpieczenstwa),
possibly an active member of other such agency"

....tylko Pacan defamowal piszac:

Piotr Trela:
"Zwolan jest putinowska dziwka, bo taki jego charakter"

https://groups.google.com/g/soc.culture.polish/c/fylOqKUIs20/m/mqbfs9PNAgAJ
> Ale wtedy o czym się będą toczyły spory ?

Jak to o co...o dobre imie, dopuki istnieja
oszczercy jak Piotr Trela.

Basia (Ona/Jej)

> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 12:53:24 AM UTC-7, mant...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Ta lustracja nie będzie obejmowała akademików na emigracji
> > ale przecież jest IPN i łatwo sprawdzić, czy ktoś ma kartotekę czy jej nie ma.

Niekoniecznie, istnieja zbiory zastrrzezone,
tajne klauzule, wiele teczek lezy pochowanych
w szafach, wiele zostalo zniszczonych.

Osilkom ktorym organizowano ewakuacje za
granice teczek nie posprzatano?

Materiały należące do zbioru zastrzeżonego IPN w większości będą jawne.
Spotkanie było poświęcone kryteriom nadawania klauzul tajności w ramach przeglądu dokumentów z wyodrębnionego, tajnego zbioru z archiwum IPN.

https://www.tvp.info/27000540/ipn-odtajni-tzw-zbior-zastrzezony

Basia

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 5:34:12 AM UTC-7, Basia wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 12:53:24 AM UTC-7, mant...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Ta lustracja nie będzie obejmowała akademików na emigracji
> > ale przecież jest IPN i łatwo sprawdzić, czy ktoś ma kartotekę czy jej nie ma.
> >
> > Jest procedura autolustracji
> > i procedura lustracji dziennikarskiej
> >
> > Skoro zadziałała w przypadku @Bolka to zadziała w przypadku @Pacanowa
> > i zostanie oczyszczony z usenetowych defamacji, do końca świata.
> Gwoli scislosci Pacana nikt nie defamowal
> bo istnieje prawdopodobienstwo ze byl
> albo informantem albo samemu SB'ekiem:
>
> "...likely a former member of the Polish
> Communist Secutrity forces, SB (Sluzba Bezpieczenstwa),
> possibly an active member of other such agency"
> ...tylko Pacan defamowal piszac:
>
> Piotr Trela:
> "Zwolan jest putinowska dziwka, bo taki jego charakter"
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/soc.culture.polish/c/fylOqKUIs20/m/mqbfs9PNAgAJ
>
> > Ale wtedy o czym się będą toczyły spory ?
>
> Jak to o co...o dobre imie, dopuki istnieja
> oszczercy jak Piotr Trela.

Przypuszczam ze Piotr Trela w inwazji
Putynia na Ukraine dopatrzyl sie okazji
do samowybielenia, ...poprzez
demonstracyjne oczernianie innych.

To najpodlejszy z mozliwych typow,
wszystkiego najgorszego mozna sie
po nim spodziewac.

Basia (Ona/Jej)

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 5:23:24 AM UTC-2:30, mant...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, 3 May 2022 at 07:32:18 UTC+2, Basia wrote:

> > https://www.wprost.pl/edukacja/10165250/nowe-przepisy-o-lustracji-na-uczelniach-moga-dotyczyc-nawet-kilku-tysiecy-osob.html
> Ta lustracja nie będzie obejmowała akademików na emigracji
> ale przecież jest IPN i łatwo sprawdzić, czy ktoś ma kartotekę czy jej nie ma.

Ladnie tak Panie Mant zadawac cios w plecy swojego kolegi i usuwac jego "plausible
deniability" ? ;-)

Czy NAPRAWDE mysli Pan, ze czlowiek, ktora ryl w poszukiwaniu hakow na mnie NAWET
stronie naszej klasy z mojej podstawowki i ktory "rozpoznawal, powolujac sie na
swoje slynne "kobiece oko" ... agenta ubecji ze zdjecia ... pierwszoklasistow na wycieczce sprzed 50 lat .... NIE RYL wczesniej w "latwo sprawdzalnych" listach IPN?

Czy naprawde sadzi Pan, ze gdyby ten Zwolan, i jego druzyna (Strak, da Lancia, wieloksywkowe anonimy) - mieli _jakikolwiek_ DOWOD mojej wspolpracy z SB -
to MUSIELIBY by obrzucac gownm jakies Bogu ducha winne 7-letniego dziecka w nadziei ze co z tego smrodu przykleil sie ...do mie:

- "komunistyczny wypierdek", ktory "moze lubi byc molestowany" (c) Edward Zwolan,
- konfidentem SB: "Spoldzielnia Ucho?" (c) Andrzej Strak
- "genetycznie predestynowany na szpiega" (c) Andrzej da Lancia

Patrz klasyka scp:

====1. Edward Zwolan (ps. "Basia") :"To horrendalne zdjecie znowu!"
[ zapominajac ze to ...on wyryl to zdjecie w naszej klasie i to on promowal je na scp ...]
"Dzieci wygladaja najwyrazniej na molestowane. Jedno, trans-dzender wygladajce wydaje sie w jakis sposob wyrazac opozycje wobec tego co sie tam dzieje, inne jako jedyne sie usmiecha. Moze nie jest molestowane, moze lubi byc molestowane."

O tym ostatnim dziecku:
"Pan spojrzy na to zdjecie raz jeszcze panie Karts. Wiem ze trudno bedzie panu zrobic to kobiecym okiem ale prosze sprobowac, moze dac zonie, corce, do obejrzenia i spytac co sadzi. [...] wypierdek komunistyczny sie usmiecha- wychowywany pewnie w przeswiadczeniu o swojej pre-destynacji do rzadzenia w Polsce."

2. p. Andrzej Strak o Basiowym "wypierdku komunistycznym" - ze to ubecki konfident:
- "Spoldzielnia Ucho?"

3. p. Andrzej da Lancia przylacza sie do p. Straka: "genetycznie predestynowany na szpiega"

4. Last, but not least:" John Smith" (later: "Defalut Identity")

a) mysli ze skompromituje pierwszoklasiste jako geja, tym ze stoi obok ... damskiej torebki, ktora nauczycielka postawila na ziemi aby zrobic zdjecie:

John Smith: "Ale, to nie byle jaka torba...! Teletubisie takie nosza: https://garcon-magazine.com/wp content/uploads/2017/12/tinky-winky.jpg a szczegolnie, jeden..."

b) postawienie przez nauczycielki jej torebki na ziemi na czas zrobienia zdjecia nasz przenikliwy John Smith zdemaskowal jako:

i) "socjotechniczny eksperyment"
ii) w celu "indoktrynowania biednych polskich dzieci genderyzmem"
iii) "aby "zaburzyc osobowosc, w zakresie pelnienia rol spolecznych, w wieku dojrzalym"
iv) i dzieki temu "bezpiecznie kontrolować swoich obywateli bez potrzeby armii czy policji"
==
Wielkie umysly mysla podobnie. I "dowodza" swoich oskarzen o bycie "agentem SB" podobnie...
==Piotr

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 10:31:01 AM UTC-3, Piotr wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 5:23:24 AM UTC-2:30, mant...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 3 May 2022 at 07:32:18 UTC+2, Basia wrote:
>
> > > https://www.wprost.pl/edukacja/10165250/nowe-przepisy-o-lustracji-na-uczelniach-moga-dotyczyc-nawet-kilku-tysiecy-osob.html
> > Ta lustracja nie będzie obejmowała akademików na emigracji
> > ale przecież jest IPN i łatwo sprawdzić, czy ktoś ma kartotekę czy jej nie ma.
> Ladnie tak Panie Mant zadawac cios w plecy swojego kolegi i usuwac jego "plausible
> deniability" ? ;-)
>
> Czy NAPRAWDE mysli Pan, ze czlowiek, ktora ryl w poszukiwaniu hakow na mnie NAWET
> stronie naszej klasy z mojej podstawowki i ktory "rozpoznawal, powolujac sie na
> swoje slynne "kobiece oko" ... agenta ubecji ze zdjecia ... pierwszoklasistow na wycieczce sprzed 50 lat .... NIE RYL wczesniej w "latwo sprawdzalnych" listach IPN?
>
> Czy naprawde sadzi Pan, ze gdyby ten Zwolan, i jego druzyna (Strak, da Lancia, wieloksywkowe anonimy) - mieli _jakikolwiek_ DOWOD mojej wspolpracy z SB -
> to MUSIELIBY by obrzucac gownm jakies Bogu ducha winne 7-letniego dziecka w nadziei ze co z tego smrodu przykleil sie ...do mie:
>
> - "komunistyczny wypierdek", ktory "moze lubi byc molestowany" (c) Edward Zwolan,
> - konfidentem SB: "Spoldzielnia Ucho?" (c) Andrzej Strak
> - "genetycznie predestynowany na szpiega" (c) Andrzej da Lancia
>
> Patrz klasyka scp:
>
> =====
> 1. Edward Zwolan (ps. "Basia") :"To horrendalne zdjecie znowu!"
> [ zapominajac ze to ...on wyryl to zdjecie w naszej klasie i to on promowal je na scp ...]
> "Dzieci wygladaja najwyrazniej na molestowane. Jedno, trans-dzender wygladajce wydaje sie w jakis sposob wyrazac opozycje wobec tego co sie tam dzieje, inne jako jedyne sie usmiecha. Moze nie jest molestowane, moze lubi byc molestowane."
>
> O tym ostatnim dziecku:
> "Pan spojrzy na to zdjecie raz jeszcze panie Karts. Wiem ze trudno bedzie panu zrobic to kobiecym okiem ale prosze sprobowac, moze dac zonie, corce, do obejrzenia i spytac co sadzi. [...] wypierdek komunistyczny sie usmiecha- wychowywany pewnie w przeswiadczeniu o swojej pre-destynacji do rzadzenia w Polsce."
>
> 2. p. Andrzej Strak o Basiowym "wypierdku komunistycznym" - ze to ubecki konfident:
> - "Spoldzielnia Ucho?"
>
> 3. p. Andrzej da Lancia przylacza sie do p. Straka: "genetycznie predestynowany na szpiega"
>
> 4. Last, but not least:" John Smith" (later: "Defalut Identity")
>
> a) mysli ze skompromituje pierwszoklasiste jako geja, tym ze stoi obok .... damskiej torebki, ktora nauczycielka postawila na ziemi aby zrobic zdjecie:
>
> John Smith: "Ale, to nie byle jaka torba...! Teletubisie takie nosza: https://garcon-magazine.com/wp content/uploads/2017/12/tinky-winky.jpg a szczegolnie, jeden..."
>
> b) postawienie przez nauczycielki jej torebki na ziemi na czas zrobienia zdjecia nasz przenikliwy John Smith zdemaskowal jako:
>
> i) "socjotechniczny eksperyment"
> ii) w celu "indoktrynowania biednych polskich dzieci genderyzmem"
> iii) "aby "zaburzyc osobowosc, w zakresie pelnienia rol spolecznych, w wieku dojrzalym"
> iv) i dzieki temu "bezpiecznie kontrolować swoich obywateli bez potrzeby armii czy policji"
> ===
>
> Wielkie umysly mysla podobnie. I "dowodza" swoich oskarzen o bycie "agentem SB" podobnie...
> ===
> Piotr

Jakim znow tam 'go...nem', panie Piotrze. Mial dziaciak dobrze rozwiniety aparat sluchowy. A przeciez nie Afrykanin, wiec nie do chlodzenia, wachlowania sie w upale lub odganiania owadow. A wiec do sluchania. Logiczne chyba? A dzieci sa szczere z natury i co uslysza, to powtarzaja zazwyczaj. Tylko pan chyba taki cale zycie skryty zapewne od dziecinstwa. A wiec nikle prawdopodobienstwo, ze jest to pan. I po co dramatyzowac, jak Basia jakas?

On Tue, 3 May 2022 06:30:55 -0700 (PDT), Piotr wrote:

> 3. p. Andrzej da Lancia przylacza sie do p. Straka: "genetycznie
> predestynowany na szpiega"

Trela, rozwiej wszelkie watpliwosci i pokaz paszport prlowski

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 6:31:01 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> Czy NAPRAWDE mysli Pan, ze czlowiek, ktora ryl w poszukiwaniu hakow na mnie NAWET
> stronie naszej klasy z mojej podstawowki i ktory "rozpoznawal, powolujac sie na
> swoje slynne "kobiece oko" ... agenta ubecji ze zdjecia ... pierwszoklasistow na wycieczce sprzed 50 lat .... NIE RYL wczesniej w "latwo sprawdzalnych" listach IPN?
>
> Czy naprawde sadzi Pan, ze gdyby ten Zwolan, i jego druzyna (Strak, da Lancia, wieloksywkowe anonimy) - mieli _jakikolwiek_ DOWOD mojej wspolpracy z SB -
>
> to MUSIELIBY by obrzucac gownm jakies Bogu ducha winne 7-letniego dziecka w nadziei ze co z tego smrodu przykleil sie ...do mie:

Piotr Trela ma slaba pamiec, nie pamieta
kto wystawial mu w PRL'u rekomendacje
do programu doktoranckiego, nie pamieta
tez daty swojego przyjazdu do Kanady,
nie dziwne ze nie moze sobie przypomniec
kontekstu w jakim zostalo opublikowane
7-letniego wowczas Piotra Treli zdjecie.

Przypomne ze mialo to miejsce w bezposrednim
kontekscie Piotrowej znajomosci Jaskotow, w
pobocznym watku na temat podrozy Basi wraz
z matka do Polski na zasadzie rodzinnej i jako
dziecka, ...pozniej wyjazd z Polski po maturze.

On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 9:12:08 PM UTC-3:30, Basia wrote:
> >On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-8, Piotr wrote:
> > >On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 6:28:06 PM UTC-3:30, Basia wrote:
> > > >On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 12:40:12 PM UTC-8, Piotr wrote:
> > >>
> > > >> NRD-owska dobranocka o piaskowym dziadku byly nadawana nie z NRD, lecz z Warszawy. O czym Zwolan powinien pamietac, bo mieszkal w PRL-u i dostal od sbecji zgode na wyjazd na Zachod w polowie lat 1980-tych, a wiec wtedy gdy granice byly, jak to ujal jego kolega Bulba, "zamkniete".
> > >>
> > > >Wjechalam do Polski i wyjechalam na amerykanskim
> > >> paszporcie, wiec? Jako urodzona w USA Polka mialam
> > >> i mam prawo do Polski.
> >>
> >> tak jak SBcja miala prawo do decydowania czy ta Polka z penisem dostanie zgode na wyjazd z Polski czy nie, tak jak wczesniej miala prawo czy zezwoli matce Zwolana wyjechac na Zachod czy nie.
>>
> >Prawo moze i mieli, chociaz te sprawy sa
> >przez kraje obustronnie regulowane miedzynarodowymi
> >umowami i zobowiazaniami dotyczacymi np. zwiazkow
>> malzenskich laczenia rodzin, itp.
>
>bo komunisci znani byli z przestrzegania tych praw zwlaszcza do ludzi ktorzy nie zrzekli sie obywatelstwa komunistycznego kraju. A wiec Basia i >jego matka wg nomenklatury Basia, musieli byc "pupilkami Kiszczaka". I niech teraz dowodzi ze nie.

https://groups.google.com/g/soc.culture.polish/c/6MseEAMZtTA/m/6eGLta6NBQAJ

I dalej moment w ktorym Basia zapodala
link do zdjecia z Nasza Klasa, znowu powolujac
sie na szerszy kontekst.
https://groups.google.com/g/soc.culture.polish/c/6MseEAMZtTA/m/LteH6PyqBQAJ

On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 12:40:12 PM UTC-8, Piotr wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 4:02:53 PM UTC-3:30, Basia wrote:
>
> > Antoniny Jaskot widze ze Trela rowniez nie moze juz sobie przypomniec pomimo ze ona zna Piotra doskonale.
>
> Trudno nie pamietac nauczycielki z 1 klasy szkoly podstawowej - tyle ze nie bede przykladal reki do nurzania jej w Zwolanowym gnoju, gdy patetyczny cross-dresser who doesn't have anything to show from his life probuje podbudowac swoje upokorzone na scp ego opluwajac innych.

Zaraz, zaraz, panie Trela w jakim "Zwolanowym gnoju" ??

Przypomnialam panu Jego wychowaczynie pania Antonine
Jaskot, zone Kazimierza Jaskota bodajze, w specyficznym
do tego watku kontekscie. Byl pan pupilkiem Jaskotow
od malego dziecka i za to przypomnienie dostalam w
rewanzu "patetycznego cross-dressera."

Dlaczego?

Ano dlatego ze gdy ponosza Piotra Trele nerwy to wtedy
logike szybko diabli biora i przechodzi do najordynarniejszego
zwyzywania od gnojkow- juz dal mi raz na sciepie swojego
chamstwa przyklad.

Naleza sie Basi przeprosiny. Dwukrotne!

Btw, od 50 prawie lat nic sie pan, panie Trela
chyba nie zmienil- ten sam smirk na twarzy, ta
sama arogancka postura- reka w kieszeni, ogolny
wizerunek i postawa przypominajaca mlodocianego
oszusta. Mowia ze autystyczni od poczatku do
konca swoich dni pozostaja w esencji swojej
socjo-patologii niezmienni. Jestem sklonna wierzyc.

http://nk.pl/szkola/55419/klasa/12/galeria/9

https://www.mun.ca/biology/images/content/Piotr_Trela.JPG

Basia