On Thu, 08 Jul 2021 18:21:06 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>So if you felt I called you a troll, I apologize.

Admission accepted.

On Fri, 09 Jul 2021 16:30:19 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Jul 2021 18:21:06 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>So if you felt I called you a troll, I apologize.
>
>Admission accepted.

Your reward

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvFuUaCe8eY

On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 10:48:38 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 09 Jul 2021 16:30:19 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 08 Jul 2021 18:21:06 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>So if you felt I called you a troll, I apologize.
>>
>>Admission accepted.
>
>Your reward

My reward is your admission of willful ignorance.

On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 12:41:17 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 10:48:38 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 09 Jul 2021 16:30:19 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 08 Jul 2021 18:21:06 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>So if you felt I called you a troll, I apologize.
>>>
>>>Admission accepted.
>>
>>Your reward
>
>My reward is your admission of willful ignorance.

Bye Bye

On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 11:47:11 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 12:41:17 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 10:48:38 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 09 Jul 2021 16:30:19 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 08 Jul 2021 18:21:06 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>So if you felt I called you a troll, I apologize.
>>>>
>>>>Admission accepted.
>>>
>>>Your reward
>>
>>My reward is your admission of willful ignorance.
>
>Bye Bye

Have a good day. Try to learn something.

On 7/10/2021 7:28 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 11:47:11 -0500, Markem618<markrm618@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 12:41:17 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 10:48:38 -0500, Markem618<markrm618@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 09 Jul 2021 16:30:19 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 08 Jul 2021 18:21:06 -0500, Markem618<markrm618@hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So if you felt I called you a troll, I apologize.
>>>>>
>>>>> Admission accepted.
>>>>
>>>> Your reward
>>>
>>> My reward is your admission of willful ignorance.
>>
>> Bye Bye
>
> Have a good day. Try to learn something.

Y'all are insanely immature... I don't understand why either of you care.

On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 23:34:17 -0400, Michael Trew <mt999999@ymail.com>
wrote:

>On 7/10/2021 7:28 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 11:47:11 -0500, Markem618<markrm618@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 12:41:17 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 10:48:38 -0500, Markem618<markrm618@hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 09 Jul 2021 16:30:19 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Jul 2021 18:21:06 -0500, Markem618<markrm618@hotmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So if you felt I called you a troll, I apologize.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Admission accepted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your reward
>>>>
>>>> My reward is your admission of willful ignorance.
>>>
>>> Bye Bye
>>
>> Have a good day. Try to learn something.
>
>Y'all are insanely immature... I don't understand why either of you care.

Again, we come back to your incredible lack of self-awareness. ...and
your lying, for that matter. More evidence of your leftism.

On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 23:34:17 -0400, Michael Trew <mt999999@ymail.com>
wrote:

>On 7/10/2021 7:28 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 11:47:11 -0500, Markem618<markrm618@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 12:41:17 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 10:48:38 -0500, Markem618<markrm618@hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 09 Jul 2021 16:30:19 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Jul 2021 18:21:06 -0500, Markem618<markrm618@hotmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So if you felt I called you a troll, I apologize.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Admission accepted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your reward
>>>>
>>>> My reward is your admission of willful ignorance.
>>>
>>> Bye Bye
>>
>> Have a good day. Try to learn something.
>
>Y'all are insanely immature... I don't understand why either of you care.

:: usenet nod ::

On 7/11/2021 4:22 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
> Again, we come back to your incredible lack of self-awareness. ...and
> your lying, for that matter. More evidence of your leftism.

Did you mean to reply to me? I don't advertise a political lean, but if
I did, it would NOT be left..

On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 02:02:47 -0400, Michael Trew <mt999999@ymail.com>
wrote:

>On 7/11/2021 4:22 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>> Again, we come back to your incredible lack of self-awareness. ...and
>> your lying, for that matter. More evidence of your leftism.
>
>
>Did you mean to reply to me? I don't advertise a political lean, but if
>I did, it would NOT be left..

Well, no, I thought I was replying to Markey. Sorry!

Sometimes threading doesn't (reaches a limit). Again, sorry.

On 7/13/2021 1:02 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 7/11/2021 4:22 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>> Again, we come back to your incredible lack of self-awareness.  ...and
>> your lying, for that matter.  More evidence of your leftism.
>
>
> Did you mean to reply to me?  I don't advertise a political lean, but if
> I did, it would NOT be left..

LOL, Best to lean right vs. WRONG.

On 7/13/2021 6:19 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 7/13/2021 1:02 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 7/11/2021 4:22 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>> Again, we come back to your incredible lack of self-awareness.  ...and
>>> your lying, for that matter.  More evidence of your leftism.
>>
>>
>> Did you mean to reply to me?  I don't advertise a political lean, but
>> if I did, it would NOT be left..
>
>
> LOL, Best to lean right vs. WRONG.

Maybe so, but I'll admit neither side is made up of "saints"...
Put nationalized healthcare on the right (i.e. create a national
healthcare system) and a I'll be a stronger advocate for the right.

On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 18:42:31 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

>On 7/13/2021 6:19 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 7/13/2021 1:02 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>> On 7/11/2021 4:22 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>> Again, we come back to your incredible lack of self-awareness.  ...and
>>>> your lying, for that matter.  More evidence of your leftism.
>>>
>>>
>>> Did you mean to reply to me?  I don't advertise a political lean, but
>>> if I did, it would NOT be left..
>>
>>
>> LOL, Best to lean right vs. WRONG.
>
>Maybe so, but I'll admit neither side is made up of "saints"...
>Put nationalized healthcare on the right (i.e. create a national
>healthcare system) and a I'll be a stronger advocate for the right.

Go over to the Washington Post site and read the comments on articles
related to smoking, COVID, and other such topics and you'll see why
there is opposition to government-provided medicine. Numerous people
are calling for denial of medical treatment to people with COVID who
can't prove that they always wore a mask in public, or to smokers, or
to the obese, or to any other group that doesn't adhere to their
personal view of morality. Essentially they want to use the medical
system to impose Puritanism.

Now, I know you're going to say "it can't ever happen"--I wouldn't
have expected transgender rights or gay marriage to ever get the
traction they are getting, so I don't buy the notion that "it can't
happen".

On 7/13/2021 9:39 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 18:42:31 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>
>> On 7/13/2021 6:19 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 7/13/2021 1:02 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>> On 7/11/2021 4:22 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>> Again, we come back to your incredible lack of self-awareness.  ...and
>>>>> your lying, for that matter.  More evidence of your leftism.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did you mean to reply to me?  I don't advertise a political lean, but
>>>> if I did, it would NOT be left..
>>>
>>>
>>> LOL, Best to lean right vs. WRONG.
>>
>> Maybe so, but I'll admit neither side is made up of "saints"...
>> Put nationalized healthcare on the right (i.e. create a national
>> healthcare system) and a I'll be a stronger advocate for the right.
>
> Go over to the Washington Post site and read the comments on articles
> related to smoking, COVID, and other such topics and you'll see why
> there is opposition to government-provided medicine. Numerous people
> are calling for denial of medical treatment to people with COVID who
> can't prove that they always wore a mask in public, or to smokers, or
> to the obese, or to any other group that doesn't adhere to their
> personal view of morality. Essentially they want to use the medical
> system to impose Puritanism.

To my mind, a "national healthcare system" would try to eliminate
"discrimination". I think of it as a form of insurance so that we don't
have people with prescriptions they can't afford. For instance, this
week I heard about a new chemo-drug that costs $56,000/yr. I understand
that "opposition" you described, but I think expect that the overall
benefits outweigh the overall costs. It is clear that "successfully
defining morality" is a losing game, or at least one that would only
come at the cost of freedom (such as is engaged in by a few communist
countries that I can think of).

>
> Now, I know you're going to say "it can't ever happen"--I wouldn't
> have expected transgender rights or gay marriage to ever get the
> traction they are getting, so I don't buy the notion that "it can't
> happen".
>
>
>
>

On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 22:37:15 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

>On 7/13/2021 9:39 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 18:42:31 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/13/2021 6:19 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 7/13/2021 1:02 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>> On 7/11/2021 4:22 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>>> Again, we come back to your incredible lack of self-awareness.  ...and
>>>>>> your lying, for that matter.  More evidence of your leftism.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you mean to reply to me?  I don't advertise a political lean, but
>>>>> if I did, it would NOT be left..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> LOL, Best to lean right vs. WRONG.
>>>
>>> Maybe so, but I'll admit neither side is made up of "saints"...
>>> Put nationalized healthcare on the right (i.e. create a national
>>> healthcare system) and a I'll be a stronger advocate for the right.
>>
>> Go over to the Washington Post site and read the comments on articles
>> related to smoking, COVID, and other such topics and you'll see why
>> there is opposition to government-provided medicine. Numerous people
>> are calling for denial of medical treatment to people with COVID who
>> can't prove that they always wore a mask in public, or to smokers, or
>> to the obese, or to any other group that doesn't adhere to their
>> personal view of morality. Essentially they want to use the medical
>> system to impose Puritanism.
>
>To my mind, a "national healthcare system" would try to eliminate
>"discrimination".

Well that's another issue. Why would it try to do that? Because the
people who are pressing for it now are terminally woke? What leads
you to believe that they will stay in charge?

>I think of it as a form of insurance so that we don't
>have people with prescriptions they can't afford. For instance, this
>week I heard about a new chemo-drug that costs $56,000/yr.

What leads you to believe that that will be covered? Medicare doesn't
cover prescription meds--you have to buy your own policy for that
coverage. And don't say "Part D" until you have investigated it--you
have to pay a monthly premium for that service.

>I understand
>that "opposition" you described, but I think expect that the overall
>benefits outweigh the overall costs.

There are those who would say the same about literacy tests for
voting, to take one example. I do not favor giving the government
more tools of oppression. We already live in enough of a police
state.

>It is clear that "successfully
>defining morality" is a losing game, or at least one that would only
>come at the cost of freedom (such as is engaged in by a few communist
>countries that I can think of).

You mean at the cost of "freedumb"? That's what a lot of them are
calling it these days you know.

>> Now, I know you're going to say "it can't ever happen"--I wouldn't
>> have expected transgender rights or gay marriage to ever get the
>> traction they are getting, so I don't buy the notion that "it can't
>> happen".

J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 18:42:31 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

>>Maybe so, but I'll admit neither side is made up of "saints"...
>>Put nationalized healthcare on the right (i.e. create a national
>>healthcare system) and a I'll be a stronger advocate for the right.
>
>Go over to the Washington Post site and read the comments on articles

Why should I care about comments from idiots posting comments on
the articles?

On 7/13/2021 6:01 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
> Well, no, I thought I was replying to Markey. Sorry!

That's what I figured, I got a chuckle. All is well.

On 7/13/2021 6:19 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 7/13/2021 1:02 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 7/11/2021 4:22 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>> Again, we come back to your incredible lack of self-awareness. ...and
>>> your lying, for that matter. More evidence of your leftism.
>>
>>
>> Did you mean to reply to me? I don't advertise a political lean, but
>> if I did, it would NOT be left..
>
>
> LOL, Best to lean right vs. WRONG.

In the post-trump era, after the capitol insanity, I'd say I'm pretty
well firmly in the center. Both sides are nothing but greed -- it's all
about money and power. I have no political loyalty -- either party is
just moving further and further extreme. No one is for the people.

On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 17:19:08 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 7/13/2021 1:02 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 7/11/2021 4:22 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>> Again, we come back to your incredible lack of self-awareness.  ...and
>>> your lying, for that matter.  More evidence of your leftism.
>>
>>
>> Did you mean to reply to me?  I don't advertise a political lean, but if
>> I did, it would NOT be left..
>
>
>LOL, Best to lean right vs. WRONG.

In this case, three lefts do *not* make a right. They make a "mostly
peaceful riot".

On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 18:42:31 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

>On 7/13/2021 6:19 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 7/13/2021 1:02 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>> On 7/11/2021 4:22 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>> Again, we come back to your incredible lack of self-awareness.  ...and
>>>> your lying, for that matter.  More evidence of your leftism.
>>>
>>>
>>> Did you mean to reply to me?  I don't advertise a political lean, but
>>> if I did, it would NOT be left..
>>
>>
>> LOL, Best to lean right vs. WRONG.
>
>Maybe so, but I'll admit neither side is made up of "saints"...

People aren't saints, no matter what the lefts thinks _they_ are.
That's the premise of the right. A person can be completely wrong but
as a whole they'll do the right thing (it's called "freedom" for you
lefties).

>Put nationalized healthcare on the right (i.e. create a national
>healthcare system) and a I'll be a stronger advocate for the right.

Nonsense. If you note what a fuckup the government's made of every
other part of our lives, we don't need any more of their help with
healthcare. After all, they've done such a good job with the VA.

No thanks!

On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 22:37:15 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

>On 7/13/2021 9:39 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 18:42:31 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/13/2021 6:19 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 7/13/2021 1:02 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>> On 7/11/2021 4:22 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>>> Again, we come back to your incredible lack of self-awareness.  ...and
>>>>>> your lying, for that matter.  More evidence of your leftism.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you mean to reply to me?  I don't advertise a political lean, but
>>>>> if I did, it would NOT be left..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> LOL, Best to lean right vs. WRONG.
>>>
>>> Maybe so, but I'll admit neither side is made up of "saints"...
>>> Put nationalized healthcare on the right (i.e. create a national
>>> healthcare system) and a I'll be a stronger advocate for the right.
>>
>> Go over to the Washington Post site and read the comments on articles
>> related to smoking, COVID, and other such topics and you'll see why
>> there is opposition to government-provided medicine. Numerous people
>> are calling for denial of medical treatment to people with COVID who
>> can't prove that they always wore a mask in public, or to smokers, or
>> to the obese, or to any other group that doesn't adhere to their
>> personal view of morality. Essentially they want to use the medical
>> system to impose Puritanism.
>
>To my mind, a "national healthcare system" would try to eliminate
>"discrimination".

Socialism always eliminates "discrimination". The politburo members
all have their dachas with beach frontage on the Black Sea.

If you think Congress is going to get the same care as you, you're not
only blind but stupid.

>I think of it as a form of insurance so that we don't
>have people with prescriptions they can't afford. For instance, this
>week I heard about a new chemo-drug that costs $56,000/yr. I understand
>that "opposition" you described, but I think expect that the overall
>benefits outweigh the overall costs. It is clear that "successfully
>defining morality" is a losing game, or at least one that would only
>come at the cost of freedom (such as is engaged in by a few communist
>countries that I can think of).
>
>
>
>>
>> Now, I know you're going to say "it can't ever happen"--I wouldn't
>> have expected transgender rights or gay marriage to ever get the
>> traction they are getting, so I don't buy the notion that "it can't
>> happen".
>>
>>
>>
>>

On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 05:44:53 -0400, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 22:37:15 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>
>>On 7/13/2021 9:39 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 18:42:31 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/13/2021 6:19 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>>> On 7/13/2021 1:02 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/11/2021 4:22 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Again, we come back to your incredible lack of self-awareness.  ...and
>>>>>>> your lying, for that matter.  More evidence of your leftism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you mean to reply to me?  I don't advertise a political lean, but
>>>>>> if I did, it would NOT be left..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL, Best to lean right vs. WRONG.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe so, but I'll admit neither side is made up of "saints"...
>>>> Put nationalized healthcare on the right (i.e. create a national
>>>> healthcare system) and a I'll be a stronger advocate for the right.
>>>
>>> Go over to the Washington Post site and read the comments on articles
>>> related to smoking, COVID, and other such topics and you'll see why
>>> there is opposition to government-provided medicine. Numerous people
>>> are calling for denial of medical treatment to people with COVID who
>>> can't prove that they always wore a mask in public, or to smokers, or
>>> to the obese, or to any other group that doesn't adhere to their
>>> personal view of morality. Essentially they want to use the medical
>>> system to impose Puritanism.
>>
>>To my mind, a "national healthcare system" would try to eliminate
>>"discrimination".
>
>Well that's another issue. Why would it try to do that? Because the
>people who are pressing for it now are terminally woke? What leads
>you to believe that they will stay in charge?
>
>>I think of it as a form of insurance so that we don't
>>have people with prescriptions they can't afford. For instance, this
>>week I heard about a new chemo-drug that costs $56,000/yr.
>
>What leads you to believe that that will be covered? Medicare doesn't
>cover prescription meds--you have to buy your own policy for that
>coverage. And don't say "Part D" until you have investigated it--you
>have to pay a monthly premium for that service.

I keep hearing about "Medicare for All" as a lefty rallying point.
After investigating Medicare (going on it a couple of months), all I
can say is that they couldn't afford it any more than they want to
work hard enough to get a job that has health insurance.
>
>>I understand
>>that "opposition" you described, but I think expect that the overall
>>benefits outweigh the overall costs.
>
>There are those who would say the same about literacy tests for
>voting, to take one example. I do not favor giving the government
>more tools of oppression. We already live in enough of a police
>state.

And gaining more every day - the Capitol Police (not subject _any_
civilian overview) having a presence around the country - or the
spying, without court order, on US citizens inside the US.

>>It is clear that "successfully
>>defining morality" is a losing game, or at least one that would only
>>come at the cost of freedom (such as is engaged in by a few communist
>>countries that I can think of).

Utter nonsense. Each one of us does it every day. Without a common
"morality" we have nothing. Thou shalt not murder IS morality. From
there right down to the covid lockdowns, down to cigarettes. All
morality plays.

>You mean at the cost of "freedumb"? That's what a lot of them are
>calling it these days you know.
>
>>> Now, I know you're going to say "it can't ever happen"--I wouldn't
>>> have expected transgender rights or gay marriage to ever get the
>>> traction they are getting, so I don't buy the notion that "it can't
>>> happen".

That's precisely the point. Venezuela "can't happen here". "Real
communism/socialism has never been tried." Famous last words.

On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 15:08:25 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 18:42:31 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>
>>>Maybe so, but I'll admit neither side is made up of "saints"...
>>>Put nationalized healthcare on the right (i.e. create a national
>>>healthcare system) and a I'll be a stronger advocate for the right.
>>
>>Go over to the Washington Post site and read the comments on articles
>
>Why should I care about comments from idiots posting comments on
>the articles?
>
True. You're here.

On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 11:32:28 -0400, Michael Trew <mt999999@ymail.com>
wrote:

>On 7/13/2021 6:19 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 7/13/2021 1:02 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>> On 7/11/2021 4:22 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>> Again, we come back to your incredible lack of self-awareness. ...and
>>>> your lying, for that matter. More evidence of your leftism.
>>>
>>>
>>> Did you mean to reply to me? I don't advertise a political lean, but
>>> if I did, it would NOT be left..
>>
>>
>> LOL, Best to lean right vs. WRONG.
>
>In the post-trump era, after the capitol insanity, I'd say I'm pretty
>well firmly in the center. Both sides are nothing but greed -- it's all
>about money and power. I have no political loyalty -- either party is
>just moving further and further extreme. No one is for the people.

By stating the above, you're CLEARLY not in the center. The Capitol
insanity was a minor blip compared to what happened the whole year,
all over the country, in the "mostly peaceful demonstrations".
Billions of dollars in damage and thousands (mostly minority)
businesses were burned to the ground and many killed. In the capitol
riot, only one was killed, one of the "rioters", shot in the back.

On 7/13/2021 5:42 PM, Bill wrote:
> On 7/13/2021 6:19 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 7/13/2021 1:02 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>> On 7/11/2021 4:22 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>> Again, we come back to your incredible lack of self-awareness.  ...and
>>>> your lying, for that matter.  More evidence of your leftism.
>>>
>>>
>>> Did you mean to reply to me?  I don't advertise a political lean, but
>>> if I did, it would NOT be left..
>>
>>
>> LOL, Best to lean right vs. WRONG.
>
> Maybe so, but I'll admit neither side is made up of "saints"...
> Put nationalized healthcare on the right (i.e. create a national
> healthcare system) and a I'll be a stronger advocate for the right.

We need people that understand how to handle money rather than give it away.

FWIW the more you have the government do for you the more dependent you
will become on the government. That is the Democrat leadership plan.

That and give every one the right to vote, citizens and non citizens.