SECOND AMENDMENT
LA man who defended home from armed intruders faces uphill battle to get
gun permit back
California law enforcement agencies have broad discretion to revoke
gun-carry licenses
By Michael Lee Fox News
Published November 24, 2023 4:00am EST

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would-be intruders
A Los Angeles homeowner was ambushed by two armed suspects who were
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(Credit: Vince Ricci)

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A Los Angeles homeowner who had his concealed carry weapon (CCW) license
revoked after using a gun to fend off armed attackers at his home may
have little recourse to get his permit back.

"In their terms and conditions agreement, LASD (Los Angeles County
Sheriff's Department) grants itself virtually limitless and unchecked
discretion to revoke a constitutional right over just about anything at
any time," Amy Swearer, a senior legal fellow at the Heritage
Foundation, told Fox News Digital.

At issue is the case of L.A. resident and married father of one Vince
Ricci, who earlier this month was forced into a gunfight when two armed
men jumped the fence of his gated community and attempted to force their
way into his front door. Ricci – concerned for the safety of his wife,
5-month-old daughter and the family’s nanny – fought back, first with a
hot cup of tea he was holding in his hand when the attack began, then by
pulling out his gun and getting into a firefight with the intruders in
his driveway.

Surveillance footage captured the dramatic scene unfolding, showing the
intruders retreating from Ricci's gunfire, with one hopping back over
the fence and another running around a car in the driveway.

ARMED HOMEOWNER WHO DEFENDED FAMILY IN DRIVEWAY SHOOT-OUT SAYS HE'S BEEN
STRIPPED OF GUN PERMIT

Vince Ricci in Yankees cap holding gun
Vince Ricci at the shooting range, pointing a handgun. (NRA )

But Ricci told Fox News Digital last week that the response to the
harrowing incident has been for authorities to target him, calling him
to inform him that his concealed carry license had been "revoked" as a
result of him "yelling" at Los Angeles police officers while they
attempted to investigate the incident three days later.

"After successfully defending my home and my family and my 5-month-old
child, California has now decided to suspend my Second Amendment
[rights]," Ricci said in an NRA video that was shared with Fox News Digital.

Reached for comment by Fox News Digital, an LASD spokesperson said the
agency recognizes the ordeal was "extremely traumatic and startling for
the Ricci family" and that they hoped "the individuals responsible for
this crime are arrested and held accountable."

The LASD added that the "Department of Justice (DOJ) establishes
guidelines for CCW permits and the Sheriff’s Department must follow the
DOJ parameters in accordance with the law" when it came to revoking the
homeowner's permit, adding that it can be "immediately reinstated as
long as the permit holder has also followed all required CCW policies."

Vince Ricci with wife, left, and child
Vince Ricci with his family outside their home. (NRA )

ARMED HOMEOWNER WHO DEFENDED HOME IN SHOOT-OUT UNLOADS ON LIBERAL
POLITICIANS: 'NOT GONNA CARE'

"The DOJ has been notified and there are avenues for Mr. Ricci to
re-apply for his permit. We have been in contact with the Ricci family
and have been providing information to them about CCW protocols and
guidelines in an effort to ensure their Second Amendment rights are
protected," the spokesperson said. "The Sheriff's Department respects
the rights of individuals to exercise their Second Amendment rights and
continually processes over thousands of CCW permit applications and
renewals every year. The Sheriff’s Department CCW Unit works diligently
to track, process, and manage individuals who possess or seek CCW
permits in Los Angeles County."

LA homeowner opening fire on suspect
L.A. homeowner fires his weapon at two suspects shooting at him on his
property. (LAPD)

But Swearer argued it is "completely unclear" what DOJ guidelines LASD
could be referring to, questioning whether the department "would have
any role in the decision to revoke Ricci’s permit."

"The only specific policies that LASD mentions in passing are regarding
‘proper notifications’ and the ‘use of [a] properly documented weapon,'"
Swearer said. "But, to my knowledge, the only place where such policies
are found with respect to the automatic revocation of a CCW license
isn’t in DOJ guidelines or state law, but in the additional ‘terms and
conditions’ agreement that LASD requires all CCW applicants to sign. Not
only are these terms and conditions not required by the California DOJ
or by state law, but LASD is one of only a few jurisdictions that impose
them."

Nevertheless, Swearer noted that California law enforcement agencies are
responsible for issuing concealed carry permits and that they have
"broad discretion over most aspects of issuing or revoking those licenses."

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Given California's strict gun laws and the discretion given to the
state's law enforcement agencies, Swearer questioned what recourse the
homeowner has to regain his Second Amendment rights.

"They’ve revoked his license because they want to and because they can.
I don’t think this is an overly cynical view of how LASD, specifically,
and California lawmakers, generally, approaches the right to keep and
bear arms," she said.

LA shooting
A suspect first approaches an L.A. homeowner while pointing a firearm.
(LAPD)

While denying licenses has become harder for authorities to justify in
light of recent Supreme Court rulings, Swearer argued that California
still has the ability to restrict its citizens' ability to carry firearms.

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"There’s no reason to pretend that Bruen dramatically altered this
general anti-Second Amendment mindset," Swearer said of the 2022 Supreme
Court decision in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Inc. v.
Bruen. "They’ve just had to get more creative with how they get in the
way now. They can’t restrict public carry nearly as much on the front
end, so they seem bent on doing everything in their power to suspend and
revoke licenses at will on the back end."

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UltraMagaPatriot942
8 hours ago
Don't worry those same police are looking for the 2 perps that never
applied for a CCW and if caught will probably be released on no cash
bail and no gun charges brought against them. The perps are a protected
class exempt from laws.

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The_Chronicles_of_Corn_Pop_by_Robert_L._Peters
8 hours ago
We’ve been armed since the beginning. We’ve had repeating arms since
the 1860s. We’ve had semiautomatics since the 1890s. What has truly
changed? Leftists wanted, promoted, advocated for, voted for, and got
the sick, twisted, amoral society we have today.

With the Executive Branch and the ...

See more

4 replies
Leek455892
8 hours ago

Let this serve as notice! If the government ever takes all our guns,
you’ll never get them

Back!

15 replies

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pocketmouse889
6 hours ago

The 14th Amendment prevents states from infringing on "the privileges or
immunities of citizens of the United States" without due process of law.

Taking his permit would seem to be in violation of the constitutional
rights we hold.

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horusthe1
4 hours ago

The permit itself is a violation, homie.

1 reply
carmenghia
4 hours ago

the problem is where do you find an attorney who can go up against the
socialist government we have now?

Reply

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rogertheindependent
9 hours ago

The best way to prevent these constitutional violations issued by
left-wing government officials is to amend the legal process such that
the government officials have to pay the individuals a significant
financial settlement when its ruled that they violated the persons 2nd
amendment rights.

trkyhntr
8 hours ago

---from their personal funds, please. Not from tax money.

don’thave
7 hours ago

a person has the right to sue if any constitutional right was violated.
Cops should have to have their own malpractice insurance though

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steve977
8 hours ago

Challenge the law. Courts have made it clear that there cannot be
conditions put on our rights.

On 24 Nov 2023, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> posted some
news:Az68N.19507$Ck2e.18545@fx37.iad:

> SECOND AMENDMENT
> LA man who defended home from armed intruders faces uphill battle to
> get gun permit back
> California law enforcement agencies have broad discretion to revoke
> gun-carry licenses
> By Michael Lee Fox News
> Published November 24, 2023 4:00am EST
>
> Los Angeles homeowner gets into frightening front door shootout with
> would-be intruders
> A Los Angeles homeowner was ambushed by two armed suspects who were
> allegedly trying to break into his home, the man told Fox News
> Digital. (Credit: Vince Ricci)
>
> Read this article for free!
> Plus get unlimited access to thousands of articles, videos and more
> with your free account!
> Enter your email
> By entering your email, you are agreeing to Fox News Terms of Service
> and Privacy Policy, which includes our Notice of Financial Incentive.
> To access the content, check your email and follow the instructions
> provided.
>
> A Los Angeles homeowner who had his concealed carry weapon (CCW)
> license revoked after using a gun to fend off armed attackers at his
> home may have little recourse to get his permit back.
>
> "In their terms and conditions agreement, LASD (Los Angeles County
> Sheriff's Department) grants itself virtually limitless and unchecked
> discretion to revoke a constitutional right over just about anything
> at any time," Amy Swearer, a senior legal fellow at the Heritage
> Foundation, told Fox News Digital.
>
> At issue is the case of L.A. resident and married father of one Vince
> Ricci, who earlier this month was forced into a gunfight when two
> armed men jumped the fence of his gated community and attempted to
> force their way into his front door. Ricci – concerned for the
> safety of his wife, 5-month-old daughter and the family’s nanny –
> fought back, first with a hot cup of tea he was holding in his hand
> when the attack began, then by pulling out his gun and getting into a
> firefight with the intruders in his driveway.
>
> Surveillance footage captured the dramatic scene unfolding, showing
> the intruders retreating from Ricci's gunfire, with one hopping back
> over the fence and another running around a car in the driveway.
>
> ARMED HOMEOWNER WHO DEFENDED FAMILY IN DRIVEWAY SHOOT-OUT SAYS HE'S
> BEEN STRIPPED OF GUN PERMIT
>
> Vince Ricci in Yankees cap holding gun
> Vince Ricci at the shooting range, pointing a handgun. (NRA )
>
> But Ricci told Fox News Digital last week that the response to the
> harrowing incident has been for authorities to target him, calling him
> to inform him that his concealed carry license had been "revoked" as a
> result of him "yelling" at Los Angeles police officers while they
> attempted to investigate the incident three days later.
>
> "After successfully defending my home and my family and my 5-month-old
> child, California has now decided to suspend my Second Amendment
> [rights]," Ricci said in an NRA video that was shared with Fox News
> Digital.
>
> Reached for comment by Fox News Digital, an LASD spokesperson said the
> agency recognizes the ordeal was "extremely traumatic and startling
> for the Ricci family" and that they hoped "the individuals responsible
> for this crime are arrested and held accountable."
>
> The LASD added that the "Department of Justice (DOJ) establishes
> guidelines for CCW permits and the Sheriff’s Department must follow
> the DOJ parameters in accordance with the law" when it came to
> revoking the homeowner's permit, adding that it can be "immediately
> reinstated as long as the permit holder has also followed all required
> CCW policies."
>
> Vince Ricci with wife, left, and child
> Vince Ricci with his family outside their home. (NRA )
>
> ARMED HOMEOWNER WHO DEFENDED HOME IN SHOOT-OUT UNLOADS ON LIBERAL
> POLITICIANS: 'NOT GONNA CARE'
>
> "The DOJ has been notified and there are avenues for Mr. Ricci to
> re-apply for his permit. We have been in contact with the Ricci family
> and have been providing information to them about CCW protocols and
> guidelines in an effort to ensure their Second Amendment rights are
> protected," the spokesperson said. "The Sheriff's Department respects
> the rights of individuals to exercise their Second Amendment rights
> and continually processes over thousands of CCW permit applications
> and renewals every year. The Sheriff’s Department CCW Unit works
> diligently to track, process, and manage individuals who possess or
> seek CCW permits in Los Angeles County."
>
> LA homeowner opening fire on suspect
> L.A. homeowner fires his weapon at two suspects shooting at him on his
> property. (LAPD)
>
> But Swearer argued it is "completely unclear" what DOJ guidelines LASD
> could be referring to, questioning whether the department "would have
> any role in the decision to revoke Ricci’s permit."
>
> "The only specific policies that LASD mentions in passing are
> regarding ‘proper notifications’ and the ‘use of [a] properly
> documented weapon,'" Swearer said. "But, to my knowledge, the only
> place where such policies are found with respect to the automatic
> revocation of a CCW license isn’t in DOJ guidelines or state law,
> but in the additional ‘terms and conditions’ agreement that LASD
> requires all CCW applicants to sign. Not only are these terms and
> conditions not required by the California DOJ or by state law, but
> LASD is one of only a few jurisdictions that impose them."
>
> Nevertheless, Swearer noted that California law enforcement agencies
> are responsible for issuing concealed carry permits and that they have
> "broad discretion over most aspects of issuing or revoking those
> licenses."
>
> CLICK HERE FOR MORE US NEWS
>
> Given California's strict gun laws and the discretion given to the
> state's law enforcement agencies, Swearer questioned what recourse the
> homeowner has to regain his Second Amendment rights.
>
> "They’ve revoked his license because they want to and because they
> can. I don’t think this is an overly cynical view of how LASD,
> specifically, and California lawmakers, generally, approaches the
> right to keep and bear arms," she said.
>
> LA shooting
> A suspect first approaches an L.A. homeowner while pointing a firearm.
> (LAPD)
>
> While denying licenses has become harder for authorities to justify in
> light of recent Supreme Court rulings, Swearer argued that California
> still has the ability to restrict its citizens' ability to carry
> firearms.
>
> CLICK HERE TO GET THE FOX NEWS APP
>
> "There’s no reason to pretend that Bruen dramatically altered this
> general anti-Second Amendment mindset," Swearer said of the 2022
> Supreme Court decision in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association
> Inc. v. Bruen. "They’ve just had to get more creative with how they
> get in the way now. They can’t restrict public carry nearly as much
> on the front end, so they seem bent on doing everything in their power
> to suspend and revoke licenses at will on the back end."
>
>
> Conversation1.3K Comments
> 416 Viewing
> Discussions are moderated. For more details, click here.
> View 1 new comment
> Sort by
>
> Best
> UltraMagaPatriot942
> 8 hours ago
> Don't worry those same police are looking for the 2 perps that never
> applied for a CCW and if caught will probably be released on no cash
> bail and no gun charges brought against them. The perps are a
> protected class exempt from laws.
>
>
> Share
> The_Chronicles_of_Corn_Pop_by_Robert_L._Peters
> 8 hours ago
> We’ve been armed since the beginning. We’ve had repeating arms
> since the 1860s. We’ve had semiautomatics since the 1890s. What
> has truly changed? Leftists wanted, promoted, advocated for, voted
> for, and got the sick, twisted, amoral society we have today.
>
> With the Executive Branch and the ...
>
> See more
>
>
>
> 4 replies
> Leek455892
> 8 hours ago
>
> Let this serve as notice! If the government ever takes all our guns,
> you’ll never get them
>
> Back!
>
>
> 15 replies
>
> Show 15 more replies
> pocketmouse889
> 6 hours ago
>
> The 14th Amendment prevents states from infringing on "the privileges
> or immunities of citizens of the United States" without due process of
> law.
>
> Taking his permit would seem to be in violation of the constitutional
> rights we hold.
>
>
> Share
> horusthe1
> 4 hours ago
>
> The permit itself is a violation, homie.
>
>
> 1 reply
> carmenghia
> 4 hours ago
>
> the problem is where do you find an attorney who can go up against the
> socialist government we have now?
>
>
> Reply
>
> 7
> Show 3 more replies
> rogertheindependent
> 9 hours ago
>
> The best way to prevent these constitutional violations issued by
> left-wing government officials is to amend the legal process such that
> the government officials have to pay the individuals a significant
> financial settlement when its ruled that they violated the persons 2nd
> amendment rights.
>
>
> trkyhntr
> 8 hours ago
>
> ---from their personal funds, please. Not from tax money.
>
>
> don’thave
> 7 hours ago
>
> a person has the right to sue if any constitutional right was
> violated. Cops should have to have their own malpractice insurance
> though
>
>
>
>
> Show 6 more replies
> steve977
> 8 hours ago
>
> Challenge the law. Courts have made it clear that there cannot be
> conditions put on our rights.
>
>
> Reply
>
> 51
>
>
> Share

On 2023-11-24, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
>SECOND AMENDMENT
>LA man who defended home from armed intruders faces uphill battle to get
>gun permit back
>California law enforcement agencies have broad discretion to revoke
>gun-carry licenses
>By Michael Lee Fox News
>Published November 24, 2023 4:00am EST

Stop posting garbage for cRaZy right wing forums.