On 9/20/2021 6:35 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 5:44:24 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
>> On 9/20/2021 2:05 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 9:32:20 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 9/19/2021 11:02 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 10:13:39 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/18/2021 10:02 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 10:14:59 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/17/2021 6:00 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 1:50:39 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Since I am not painting, staining, or applying a finishing for any part
>>>>>>>>>> of this job, the job should be fun.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> True!!!!!! I like the mechanical constructing part. Not the finishing part.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Finishing does not bother me so much except for the time it adds to
>>>>>>>> complete a project. I almost always prefinish inside edges and closed
>>>>>>>> in panels prior to glue up. 3 coats of a gel varnish. Then after the
>>>>>>>> glue up 3 coats after sanding. That can easily add 2~8 days to the
>>>>>>>> process depending on the humidity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And gel varnishes do not build quickly so they are thin. Not for
>>>>>>>> children's furniture.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because this finish basically helps to prevent discoloration of the wood
>>>>>>>> and that is about it I am considering switching to Rubio Monocoat
>>>>>>>> finish. It too is a thin finish but it is 1 coat, fast dry, and applied
>>>>>>>> with either a white Scotch Brite pad or poured on a tiny bit at a time
>>>>>>>> and spread with a card scraper.
>>>>>>>> Comes in about 40~50 shades including pure/natural. And it is pricey.
>>>>>>>> But when time is money I think it is a wash.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apparently a scratch is easily repaired, sand, and reapply 1 coat. No
>>>>>>>> lap marks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But who will repair the scratch 3 years after delivery? Are you the service
>>>>>>> department also or will you hand the customer whatever finish is left over,
>>>>>>> assuming there is some?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Good question. But ask your self this question, with "ANY" other
>>>>>> finish, who will repair the scratch 3 years after delivery?
>>>>>
>>>>> Depends on the terms of the warranty/protection plan. At this very
>>>>> moment I am looking at a brochure for the Platinum Protection Plan
>>>>> offered by the Raymour & Flanigan furniture chain. That's their 5
>>>>> year protection plan.
>>>>>
>>>>> The column for Wood and Other Hard Surface Furniture has a checkbox
>>>>> next to "Gouges or chips that penetrate the finish exposing the substrate."
>>>>> That box is checked.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The customer can buy $10 sample bottles of the product and do the repair
>>>>>> himself. With most any other finish that repair will be much more
>>>>>> detailed, even with shellac.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, what I am hearing is that you aren't offering a 5 year Platinum
>>>>> Protection Plan. ;-)
>>>> No, I do not. And FWIW I have bought my last furniture warranty
>>>> protection plan. I have been stung for the last time.
>>>>
>>>> So our plan covered just about everything. Pets knawing on the wooden
>>>> parts. And doing their thing on the leather, #1 and #2. I can throw up
>>>> on the leather. Stab a hole in the leather.
>>>>
>>>> We later found out the hard way that sweat is not covered.
>>>
>>> You should have rented a cat to pee on your sweat stains before
>>> you put in the claim.
>>>
>> So I called for warranty coverage and answered 20 questions. What would
>> you say caused the surface to discolor. Me, I don't know, maybe sweat.
>> Is that what you want us to put down as the cause? Sure, its a bodily
>> fluid, I don't really care what caused it.
>> Is that your final answer? Yes,
>>
>> Pause, we are sorry but sweat is not covered.
>>
>> I bought the furniture at a prominent store in Houston and the brand was
>> Flexsteel. Not Cheap.
>>
>> I read the manager the riot act and he took care of the problem.
>
> I'm in the middle of similar issue right now, although mine is related to
> an issue with the condition of my *not cheap* sectional upon arrival.
> The one I waited 2 months to have delivered. (It's Covid, you know)

We waited 4 months and it was about 8 years ago.

>
> 2 piece sectional, therefore 8 wooden legs. 5 of the 8 legs looked like
> this at delivery:
>
> https://i.imgur.com/UYYen3R.jpg
>
> https://i.imgur.com/QDKQLHi.jpg
>
> The repair guys shows up and based on the single picture that the delivery
> guy uploaded, the repair guy thought I had one minor scratch and thought
> he could take it out to the truck and throw some stain on it. "That ain't
> happening, I want all new legs."
>
> It's now 8 weeks later. They apparently lost the order for my legs and don't
> expect to see the second order for *at least* 6 more weeks. I told the rep
> that I could make a set of legs in one afternoon and be done with this fiasco.
>
> "I'm sorry sir. We're sending you a $250 gift card for your trouble."
>
> Great. Thanks. I probably can't even get a lamp at that store for $250.
>

On 9/20/2021 7:22 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Sep 2021 16:46:06 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 9/20/2021 2:08 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 9:39:33 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 9/19/2021 11:13 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 10:05:52 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/18/2021 2:03 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 12:31:02 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 09:23:03 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/17/2021 9:28 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 16:00:30 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>>>>>>>>>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 1:50:39 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Since I am not painting, staining, or applying a finishing for any part
>>>>>>>>>>>> of this job, the job should be fun.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> True!!!!!! I like the mechanical constructing part. Not the finishing part.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts? Where do you find MDO?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I get it in Houston at either Clark's Hardwood Lumber or Hardwood
>>>>>>>>> Products. At the moment Hardwood Products is out of stock and has no
>>>>>>>>> idea when that will change. I suspect it may be available form any of
>>>>>>>>> the local materials suppliers for the trades. A local lumber yard may
>>>>>>>>> have it. The big box store "might" be able to order it for you.
>>>>>>>> The BORG doesn't even recognize its existence and blue knows that it
>>>>>>>> exists but will never stock it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lowes carries 1/2 MDO. At least 50 sheets available locally.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I bought some a few weeks ago. I really only needed sanded ply but
>>>>>>> the nice flat and slightly thicker MDO was a few bucks *cheaper* per
>>>>>>> sheet than the ugly twisted sanded ply.
>>>>>> AND the surface likes any kind of paint. Some wood veneer plywoods tend
>>>>>> to de laminate with some water based finishes. And that is the primary
>>>>>> reason that I use MDO over wood veneer if I am going to paint.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's good to know. I used 3/4 Poplar veneered plywood for my last big
>>>>> project. It took the Benjamin Moore Advance primer and paint really well.
>>>>> I like that paint a lot, especially since I seriously hate to paint. It lays down
>>>>> nice and smooth.
>>>>>
>>>>> The ultra smooth surface of the MDO isn't a problem? What kind of primer &
>>>>> paint do you use?
>>>> No Primer. So far I have painted all of my MDO pieces with General
>>>> Finishes Milk Paint. The recently finished Murphy bed was painted with
>>>> a Basil green milk paint.
>>>>
>>> Don't tell my wife. My next project is a bookcase for her.
>>>
>>> While I may consider milk paint, I hate green. ;-)
>>
>> But does she like green? My wife pocked the color. Don't second guess
>> colors that your wife picks out. ;~)
>
> I once had that plan, until it didn't work. She picked the paint for
> our family room. She was out of the house paint day. I opened the
> can and thought ("Pepto Bismol"). Well... She didn't much like it
> either.
>
>> The milk paints come in a load of "country colors".
>
> Not my favorites. Not enough saturation for my taste.
>

Define Saturation. General Finishes milk paints are heavy bodied and
quite opaque. One coat is almost enough over most any color.

On Tue, 21 Sep 2021 08:17:46 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 9/20/2021 7:22 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Sep 2021 16:46:06 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/20/2021 2:08 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 9:39:33 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
>>>>> On 9/19/2021 11:13 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 10:05:52 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/18/2021 2:03 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 12:31:02 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 09:23:03 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/17/2021 9:28 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 16:00:30 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>>>>>>>>>>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 1:50:39 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since I am not painting, staining, or applying a finishing for any part
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of this job, the job should be fun.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> True!!!!!! I like the mechanical constructing part. Not the finishing part.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts? Where do you find MDO?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I get it in Houston at either Clark's Hardwood Lumber or Hardwood
>>>>>>>>>> Products. At the moment Hardwood Products is out of stock and has no
>>>>>>>>>> idea when that will change. I suspect it may be available form any of
>>>>>>>>>> the local materials suppliers for the trades. A local lumber yard may
>>>>>>>>>> have it. The big box store "might" be able to order it for you.
>>>>>>>>> The BORG doesn't even recognize its existence and blue knows that it
>>>>>>>>> exists but will never stock it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lowes carries 1/2 MDO. At least 50 sheets available locally.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I bought some a few weeks ago. I really only needed sanded ply but
>>>>>>>> the nice flat and slightly thicker MDO was a few bucks *cheaper* per
>>>>>>>> sheet than the ugly twisted sanded ply.
>>>>>>> AND the surface likes any kind of paint. Some wood veneer plywoods tend
>>>>>>> to de laminate with some water based finishes. And that is the primary
>>>>>>> reason that I use MDO over wood veneer if I am going to paint.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's good to know. I used 3/4 Poplar veneered plywood for my last big
>>>>>> project. It took the Benjamin Moore Advance primer and paint really well.
>>>>>> I like that paint a lot, especially since I seriously hate to paint. It lays down
>>>>>> nice and smooth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The ultra smooth surface of the MDO isn't a problem? What kind of primer &
>>>>>> paint do you use?
>>>>> No Primer. So far I have painted all of my MDO pieces with General
>>>>> Finishes Milk Paint. The recently finished Murphy bed was painted with
>>>>> a Basil green milk paint.
>>>>>
>>>> Don't tell my wife. My next project is a bookcase for her.
>>>>
>>>> While I may consider milk paint, I hate green. ;-)
>>>
>>> But does she like green? My wife pocked the color. Don't second guess
>>> colors that your wife picks out. ;~)
>>
>> I once had that plan, until it didn't work. She picked the paint for
>> our family room. She was out of the house paint day. I opened the
>> can and thought ("Pepto Bismol"). Well... She didn't much like it
>> either.
>>
>>> The milk paints come in a load of "country colors".
>>
>> Not my favorites. Not enough saturation for my taste.
>>
>
>
>Define Saturation. General Finishes milk paints are heavy bodied and
>quite opaque. One coat is almost enough over most any color.

Color intensity. The 'S' in the HSV visual system. Milk paint colors
are more washed out than I prefer. Intense red is the best paint for
cherry. ;-)