On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:30:56 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 10:14:19 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 3:12:34 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 20:58:41 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
> >> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 7:19:19 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 16:19:20 -0800 (PST), Sonny <cedar...@aol.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 11:59:40 AM UTC-6, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> So recently, I have been looking at a Bora Centipede. It receives mostly 4-5 star reviews, along with a smattering of de-riguere 1 star "this is junk" reviews.
> >> >> >> Does anyone here have experience or opinions to share?
> >> >> >> Bob
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I bought the 4X8 Centipede about 4-5 yrs ago, when Centipede Tool had it. Affinity Tool Works acquired it and rebranded it Bora PortaMate.
> >> >> >It was touted as working well on uneven surfaces. That's probably accurate on an uneven job site, similarly as using saw horses on an uneven job site. Even if a leg was lower or higher than others, that leg would contribute to the stability of the whole since the leg would be "anchored".
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Initially I used my centipede, topped with 1/2" padded ply, mostly as an upholstery work table. When Mom became needy and it was my turn to go over and stay with her, I established a satellite upholstery shop in her 2 car garage. There were times when I worked out on the lawn, which was pretty much level. I never had any issues with wobbling of the table on a slight uneven surface.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >There were times when I didn't unfold it completely, hence it was taller than when fully opened. I'd use a half sheet of ply on top. Though partially opened/extended, I needed a work space a little higher than normal for a short time.... and though partially opened is not secure for its touted 4500 lbs weight bearing, the open position was sufficient for my smaller projects or tasks at hand. It was plenty secure for this much lesser weight.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >As to cutting sheet goods, I've never used it for that, however one could easily cut any sheet, any direction as long as you made adjustments to prevent cutting the supports, pads, etc. There is plenty of space between supports for a blade to run well past any of them.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >It's a heck of a lot easier to toss it in the garage (out of the rain) for a quick job, than hauling in saw horses for table top support. I don't do lots of carpentry work/jobs, so my experience with it is probably much less than what a dedicated carpenter or similar would do.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Today's C costs $200. I paid $100 for mine. Today's accessories (designs) are a little different, but same function. My accessories are in a plastic shopping bag hanging on the shop wall... don't need the carrying bag anymore. I gave my bag to my nephew for carrying some of his 30" surveying work tools and/or accessories. I sewed a several velcro strips/straps inside for better securing the tools.... worked out great for him and I was glad to surrender the bag.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >My only complaint about the Centipede today is... I'm getting too old for lifting heavy stuff. Though it's only ..... I don't know, guessing..... about 25 lbs, I don't like lifting "heavy" awkward stuff anymore. Many things in my shop, these days, have been relabeled as heavy and awkward, that use to not be.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Sonny
> >> >> Plywood weighs a lot more than 25lbs and is about as awkward as it
> >> >> gets. You plywood on your Centipede, right?
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm starting to worry that I won't be able to carry full sheets
> >> >> anymore. My arm/hand may never fully recover. I can handle it around
> >> >> the shop but unloading sheets off my truck may be a real problem.
> >> >
> >> >I bought a rockler Material Mate cart to serve the purpose of moving heavy sheet goods. It helps a lot and it is sturdy. I would appreciate it more if it did not take up so much space. It is worth considering if your concern is unloading your truck and getting the material to the shop.
> >> I have all sorts of panel movers that I thought were a good idea at
> >> the time. All have one problem or another. I have a Bora Portamate
> >> that looks great on paper but it's simply too heavy to be of any use
> >> bringing panels in from my truck. The latch is in an impossible place
> >> with a panel on it so it's not really of much use around the shop
> >> either.
> >>
> >> My shop is in a walk-out basement. The access is in the rear and
> >> opens out to "grass". I think the casters on the Rockler panel cart
> >> would be way too small to work. It has to go up a step into the
> >> basement, as well.
> >>
> >> I bought a Gorilla Gripper that would break my arm if it weren't
> >> already broken. It's probably OK for 1/2" ply but MDF and melamine
> >> are killers.
> >>
> >> This is about the best I've seen but one still has to lift the panel
> >> over obstacles. The big problem is that the hand bar is just too
> >> narrow. It's only about 1/4" and it needs to be about 1" or perhaps a
> >> little more.
> >>
> >> <https://www.amazon.com/Telpro-Troll-300-Pound-Capacity-Handler/dp/B0000224PA/ref=sr_1_19?keywords=Plywood+Lifting+Tool&qid=1645996066&sr=8-19>
> >
> >It sounds like you would need something like a cross between a garden cart with pneumatic tires and a panel mover. I have not seen such an animal.
> That sounds about right. Anything I'd build would be way too heavy.

Interesting.

https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200198174_200198174

>
> There's something in here to think about though.
> >I have a troll panel lift. I bought it about 19 years ago. It is pretty handy. It would be pretty straighforward to add a larger diameter handgrip.
> Exactly. I have one and as you say, it's handle is the problem. The
> handle is a loop so putting on a larger handle is a bit of a problem.
> I haven't figured out how, yet, but maybe a bicycle handgrip on a
> cut-away dowel? ...and a wad of electrical tape? If the handle were
> open, instead of a loop, a dowel and fly-rod shrink tubing would work.
>
> I use one to move sheets around the shop but I don't have to pick them
> up to move them more than a couple of inches and the floor is flat.

On 3/3/2022 11:39 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:30:56 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 10:14:19 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
>> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 3:12:34 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 20:58:41 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
>>>> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 7:19:19 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 16:19:20 -0800 (PST), Sonny <cedar...@aol.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 11:59:40 AM UTC-6, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So recently, I have been looking at a Bora Centipede. It receives mostly 4-5 star reviews, along with a smattering of de-riguere 1 star "this is junk" reviews.
>>>>>>>> Does anyone here have experience or opinions to share?
>>>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I bought the 4X8 Centipede about 4-5 yrs ago, when Centipede Tool had it. Affinity Tool Works acquired it and rebranded it Bora PortaMate.
>>>>>>> It was touted as working well on uneven surfaces. That's probably accurate on an uneven job site, similarly as using saw horses on an uneven job site. Even if a leg was lower or higher than others, that leg would contribute to the stability of the whole since the leg would be "anchored".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Initially I used my centipede, topped with 1/2" padded ply, mostly as an upholstery work table. When Mom became needy and it was my turn to go over and stay with her, I established a satellite upholstery shop in her 2 car garage. There were times when I worked out on the lawn, which was pretty much level. I never had any issues with wobbling of the table on a slight uneven surface.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There were times when I didn't unfold it completely, hence it was taller than when fully opened. I'd use a half sheet of ply on top. Though partially opened/extended, I needed a work space a little higher than normal for a short time.... and though partially opened is not secure for its touted 4500 lbs weight bearing, the open position was sufficient for my smaller projects or tasks at hand. It was plenty secure for this much lesser weight.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As to cutting sheet goods, I've never used it for that, however one could easily cut any sheet, any direction as long as you made adjustments to prevent cutting the supports, pads, etc. There is plenty of space between supports for a blade to run well past any of them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's a heck of a lot easier to toss it in the garage (out of the rain) for a quick job, than hauling in saw horses for table top support. I don't do lots of carpentry work/jobs, so my experience with it is probably much less than what a dedicated carpenter or similar would do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Today's C costs $200. I paid $100 for mine. Today's accessories (designs) are a little different, but same function. My accessories are in a plastic shopping bag hanging on the shop wall... don't need the carrying bag anymore. I gave my bag to my nephew for carrying some of his 30" surveying work tools and/or accessories. I sewed a several velcro strips/straps inside for better securing the tools.... worked out great for him and I was glad to surrender the bag.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My only complaint about the Centipede today is... I'm getting too old for lifting heavy stuff. Though it's only ..... I don't know, guessing.... about 25 lbs, I don't like lifting "heavy" awkward stuff anymore. Many things in my shop, these days, have been relabeled as heavy and awkward, that use to not be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sonny
>>>>>> Plywood weighs a lot more than 25lbs and is about as awkward as it
>>>>>> gets. You plywood on your Centipede, right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm starting to worry that I won't be able to carry full sheets
>>>>>> anymore. My arm/hand may never fully recover. I can handle it around
>>>>>> the shop but unloading sheets off my truck may be a real problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> I bought a rockler Material Mate cart to serve the purpose of moving heavy sheet goods. It helps a lot and it is sturdy. I would appreciate it more if it did not take up so much space. It is worth considering if your concern is unloading your truck and getting the material to the shop.
>>>> I have all sorts of panel movers that I thought were a good idea at
>>>> the time. All have one problem or another. I have a Bora Portamate
>>>> that looks great on paper but it's simply too heavy to be of any use
>>>> bringing panels in from my truck. The latch is in an impossible place
>>>> with a panel on it so it's not really of much use around the shop
>>>> either.
>>>>
>>>> My shop is in a walk-out basement. The access is in the rear and
>>>> opens out to "grass". I think the casters on the Rockler panel cart
>>>> would be way too small to work. It has to go up a step into the
>>>> basement, as well.
>>>>
>>>> I bought a Gorilla Gripper that would break my arm if it weren't
>>>> already broken. It's probably OK for 1/2" ply but MDF and melamine
>>>> are killers.
>>>>
>>>> This is about the best I've seen but one still has to lift the panel
>>>> over obstacles. The big problem is that the hand bar is just too
>>>> narrow. It's only about 1/4" and it needs to be about 1" or perhaps a
>>>> little more.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Telpro-Troll-300-Pound-Capacity-Handler/dp/B0000224PA/ref=sr_1_19?keywords=Plywood+Lifting+Tool&qid=1645996066&sr=8-19>
>>>
>>> It sounds like you would need something like a cross between a garden cart with pneumatic tires and a panel mover. I have not seen such an animal.
>> That sounds about right. Anything I'd build would be way too heavy.
>
> Interesting.
>
> https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200198174_200198174

And a discount for 6 or more! ;~)

On 3/4/2022 1:07 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 10:56:40 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> On 3/3/2022 11:39 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:30:56 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 10:14:19 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
>>>> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 3:12:34 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 20:58:41 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
>>>>>> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 7:19:19 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 16:19:20 -0800 (PST), Sonny <cedar...@aol.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 11:59:40 AM UTC-6, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So recently, I have been looking at a Bora Centipede. It receives mostly 4-5 star reviews, along with a smattering of de-riguere 1 star "this is junk" reviews.
>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone here have experience or opinions to share?
>>>>>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I bought the 4X8 Centipede about 4-5 yrs ago, when Centipede Tool had it. Affinity Tool Works acquired it and rebranded it Bora PortaMate.
>>>>>>>>> It was touted as working well on uneven surfaces. That's probably accurate on an uneven job site, similarly as using saw horses on an uneven job site. Even if a leg was lower or higher than others, that leg would contribute to the stability of the whole since the leg would be "anchored".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Initially I used my centipede, topped with 1/2" padded ply, mostly as an upholstery work table. When Mom became needy and it was my turn to go over and stay with her, I established a satellite upholstery shop in her 2 car garage. There were times when I worked out on the lawn, which was pretty much level. I never had any issues with wobbling of the table on a slight uneven surface.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There were times when I didn't unfold it completely, hence it was taller than when fully opened. I'd use a half sheet of ply on top. Though partially opened/extended, I needed a work space a little higher than normal for a short time.... and though partially opened is not secure for its touted 4500 lbs weight bearing, the open position was sufficient for my smaller projects or tasks at hand. It was plenty secure for this much lesser weight.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As to cutting sheet goods, I've never used it for that, however one could easily cut any sheet, any direction as long as you made adjustments to prevent cutting the supports, pads, etc. There is plenty of space between supports for a blade to run well past any of them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's a heck of a lot easier to toss it in the garage (out of the rain) for a quick job, than hauling in saw horses for table top support. I don't do lots of carpentry work/jobs, so my experience with it is probably much less than what a dedicated carpenter or similar would do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Today's C costs $200. I paid $100 for mine. Today's accessories (designs) are a little different, but same function. My accessories are in a plastic shopping bag hanging on the shop wall... don't need the carrying bag anymore. I gave my bag to my nephew for carrying some of his 30" surveying work tools and/or accessories. I sewed a several velcro strips/straps inside for better securing the tools.... worked out great for him and I was glad to surrender the bag.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My only complaint about the Centipede today is... I'm getting too old for lifting heavy stuff. Though it's only ..... I don't know, guessing.... about 25 lbs, I don't like lifting "heavy" awkward stuff anymore. Many things in my shop, these days, have been relabeled as heavy and awkward, that use to not be.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sonny
>>>>>>>> Plywood weighs a lot more than 25lbs and is about as awkward as it
>>>>>>>> gets. You plywood on your Centipede, right?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm starting to worry that I won't be able to carry full sheets
>>>>>>>> anymore. My arm/hand may never fully recover. I can handle it around
>>>>>>>> the shop but unloading sheets off my truck may be a real problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I bought a rockler Material Mate cart to serve the purpose of moving heavy sheet goods. It helps a lot and it is sturdy. I would appreciate it more if it did not take up so much space. It is worth considering if your concern is unloading your truck and getting the material to the shop.
>>>>>> I have all sorts of panel movers that I thought were a good idea at
>>>>>> the time. All have one problem or another. I have a Bora Portamate
>>>>>> that looks great on paper but it's simply too heavy to be of any use
>>>>>> bringing panels in from my truck. The latch is in an impossible place
>>>>>> with a panel on it so it's not really of much use around the shop
>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My shop is in a walk-out basement. The access is in the rear and
>>>>>> opens out to "grass". I think the casters on the Rockler panel cart
>>>>>> would be way too small to work. It has to go up a step into the
>>>>>> basement, as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I bought a Gorilla Gripper that would break my arm if it weren't
>>>>>> already broken. It's probably OK for 1/2" ply but MDF and melamine
>>>>>> are killers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is about the best I've seen but one still has to lift the panel
>>>>>> over obstacles. The big problem is that the hand bar is just too
>>>>>> narrow. It's only about 1/4" and it needs to be about 1" or perhaps a
>>>>>> little more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Telpro-Troll-300-Pound-Capacity-Handler/dp/B0000224PA/ref=sr_1_19?keywords=Plywood+Lifting+Tool&qid=1645996066&sr=8-19>
>>>>>
>>>>> It sounds like you would need something like a cross between a garden cart with pneumatic tires and a panel mover. I have not seen such an animal.
>>>> That sounds about right. Anything I'd build would be way too heavy.
>>>
>>> Interesting.
>>>
>>> https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200198174_200198174
>>
>>
>> And a discount for 6 or more! ;~)
>
> Rollin, rollin, rollin,
> Rollin, rollin, rollin,
> Head 'em up and move 'em on!

Raw-Hiiiiiide

On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 2:03:21 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 21:39:21 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:30:56 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 10:14:19 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
> >> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 3:12:34 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 20:58:41 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
> >> >> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 7:19:19 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 16:19:20 -0800 (PST), Sonny <cedar...@aol.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 11:59:40 AM UTC-6, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> So recently, I have been looking at a Bora Centipede. It receives mostly 4-5 star reviews, along with a smattering of de-riguere 1 star "this is junk" reviews.
> >> >> >> >> Does anyone here have experience or opinions to share?
> >> >> >> >> Bob
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >I bought the 4X8 Centipede about 4-5 yrs ago, when Centipede Tool had it. Affinity Tool Works acquired it and rebranded it Bora PortaMate.
> >> >> >> >It was touted as working well on uneven surfaces. That's probably accurate on an uneven job site, similarly as using saw horses on an uneven job site. Even if a leg was lower or higher than others, that leg would contribute to the stability of the whole since the leg would be "anchored".
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Initially I used my centipede, topped with 1/2" padded ply, mostly as an upholstery work table. When Mom became needy and it was my turn to go over and stay with her, I established a satellite upholstery shop in her 2 car garage. There were times when I worked out on the lawn, which was pretty much level. I never had any issues with wobbling of the table on a slight uneven surface.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >There were times when I didn't unfold it completely, hence it was taller than when fully opened. I'd use a half sheet of ply on top. Though partially opened/extended, I needed a work space a little higher than normal for a short time.... and though partially opened is not secure for its touted 4500 lbs weight bearing, the open position was sufficient for my smaller projects or tasks at hand. It was plenty secure for this much lesser weight.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >As to cutting sheet goods, I've never used it for that, however one could easily cut any sheet, any direction as long as you made adjustments to prevent cutting the supports, pads, etc. There is plenty of space between supports for a blade to run well past any of them.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >It's a heck of a lot easier to toss it in the garage (out of the rain) for a quick job, than hauling in saw horses for table top support. I don't do lots of carpentry work/jobs, so my experience with it is probably much less than what a dedicated carpenter or similar would do.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Today's C costs $200. I paid $100 for mine. Today's accessories (designs) are a little different, but same function. My accessories are in a plastic shopping bag hanging on the shop wall... don't need the carrying bag anymore. I gave my bag to my nephew for carrying some of his 30" surveying work tools and/or accessories. I sewed a several velcro strips/straps inside for better securing the tools.... worked out great for him and I was glad to surrender the bag.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >My only complaint about the Centipede today is... I'm getting too old for lifting heavy stuff. Though it's only ..... I don't know, guessing.... about 25 lbs, I don't like lifting "heavy" awkward stuff anymore. Many things in my shop, these days, have been relabeled as heavy and awkward, that use to not be.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Sonny
> >> >> >> Plywood weighs a lot more than 25lbs and is about as awkward as it
> >> >> >> gets. You plywood on your Centipede, right?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I'm starting to worry that I won't be able to carry full sheets
> >> >> >> anymore. My arm/hand may never fully recover. I can handle it around
> >> >> >> the shop but unloading sheets off my truck may be a real problem..
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I bought a rockler Material Mate cart to serve the purpose of moving heavy sheet goods. It helps a lot and it is sturdy. I would appreciate it more if it did not take up so much space. It is worth considering if your concern is unloading your truck and getting the material to the shop.
> >> >> I have all sorts of panel movers that I thought were a good idea at
> >> >> the time. All have one problem or another. I have a Bora Portamate
> >> >> that looks great on paper but it's simply too heavy to be of any use
> >> >> bringing panels in from my truck. The latch is in an impossible place
> >> >> with a panel on it so it's not really of much use around the shop
> >> >> either.
> >> >>
> >> >> My shop is in a walk-out basement. The access is in the rear and
> >> >> opens out to "grass". I think the casters on the Rockler panel cart
> >> >> would be way too small to work. It has to go up a step into the
> >> >> basement, as well.
> >> >>
> >> >> I bought a Gorilla Gripper that would break my arm if it weren't
> >> >> already broken. It's probably OK for 1/2" ply but MDF and melamine
> >> >> are killers.
> >> >>
> >> >> This is about the best I've seen but one still has to lift the panel
> >> >> over obstacles. The big problem is that the hand bar is just too
> >> >> narrow. It's only about 1/4" and it needs to be about 1" or perhaps a
> >> >> little more.
> >> >>
> >> >> <https://www.amazon.com/Telpro-Troll-300-Pound-Capacity-Handler/dp/B0000224PA/ref=sr_1_19?keywords=Plywood+Lifting+Tool&qid=1645996066&sr=8-19>
> >> >
> >> >It sounds like you would need something like a cross between a garden cart with pneumatic tires and a panel mover. I have not seen such an animal.
> >> That sounds about right. Anything I'd build would be way too heavy.
> >
> >Interesting.
> >
> >https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200198174_200198174
> How does that move a sheet of plywood (or two sheets of drywall)?

OK, how about this then? Move, cut, assemble, etc.

https://i.imgur.com/T0uPb2s.jpg

All you need to do is add these:

https://i.imgur.com/71dos8Z.jpg

On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 1:03:21 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 21:39:21 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:30:56 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 10:14:19 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
> >> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 3:12:34 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 20:58:41 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
> >> >> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 7:19:19 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 16:19:20 -0800 (PST), Sonny <cedar...@aol.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 11:59:40 AM UTC-6, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> So recently, I have been looking at a Bora Centipede. It receives mostly 4-5 star reviews, along with a smattering of de-riguere 1 star "this is junk" reviews.
> >> >> >> >> Does anyone here have experience or opinions to share?
> >> >> >> >> Bob
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >I bought the 4X8 Centipede about 4-5 yrs ago, when Centipede Tool had it. Affinity Tool Works acquired it and rebranded it Bora PortaMate.
> >> >> >> >It was touted as working well on uneven surfaces. That's probably accurate on an uneven job site, similarly as using saw horses on an uneven job site. Even if a leg was lower or higher than others, that leg would contribute to the stability of the whole since the leg would be "anchored".
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Initially I used my centipede, topped with 1/2" padded ply, mostly as an upholstery work table. When Mom became needy and it was my turn to go over and stay with her, I established a satellite upholstery shop in her 2 car garage. There were times when I worked out on the lawn, which was pretty much level. I never had any issues with wobbling of the table on a slight uneven surface.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >There were times when I didn't unfold it completely, hence it was taller than when fully opened. I'd use a half sheet of ply on top. Though partially opened/extended, I needed a work space a little higher than normal for a short time.... and though partially opened is not secure for its touted 4500 lbs weight bearing, the open position was sufficient for my smaller projects or tasks at hand. It was plenty secure for this much lesser weight.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >As to cutting sheet goods, I've never used it for that, however one could easily cut any sheet, any direction as long as you made adjustments to prevent cutting the supports, pads, etc. There is plenty of space between supports for a blade to run well past any of them.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >It's a heck of a lot easier to toss it in the garage (out of the rain) for a quick job, than hauling in saw horses for table top support. I don't do lots of carpentry work/jobs, so my experience with it is probably much less than what a dedicated carpenter or similar would do.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Today's C costs $200. I paid $100 for mine. Today's accessories (designs) are a little different, but same function. My accessories are in a plastic shopping bag hanging on the shop wall... don't need the carrying bag anymore. I gave my bag to my nephew for carrying some of his 30" surveying work tools and/or accessories. I sewed a several velcro strips/straps inside for better securing the tools.... worked out great for him and I was glad to surrender the bag.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >My only complaint about the Centipede today is... I'm getting too old for lifting heavy stuff. Though it's only ..... I don't know, guessing.... about 25 lbs, I don't like lifting "heavy" awkward stuff anymore. Many things in my shop, these days, have been relabeled as heavy and awkward, that use to not be.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Sonny
> >> >> >> Plywood weighs a lot more than 25lbs and is about as awkward as it
> >> >> >> gets. You plywood on your Centipede, right?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I'm starting to worry that I won't be able to carry full sheets
> >> >> >> anymore. My arm/hand may never fully recover. I can handle it around
> >> >> >> the shop but unloading sheets off my truck may be a real problem..
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I bought a rockler Material Mate cart to serve the purpose of moving heavy sheet goods. It helps a lot and it is sturdy. I would appreciate it more if it did not take up so much space. It is worth considering if your concern is unloading your truck and getting the material to the shop.
> >> >> I have all sorts of panel movers that I thought were a good idea at
> >> >> the time. All have one problem or another. I have a Bora Portamate
> >> >> that looks great on paper but it's simply too heavy to be of any use
> >> >> bringing panels in from my truck. The latch is in an impossible place
> >> >> with a panel on it so it's not really of much use around the shop
> >> >> either.
> >> >>
> >> >> My shop is in a walk-out basement. The access is in the rear and
> >> >> opens out to "grass". I think the casters on the Rockler panel cart
> >> >> would be way too small to work. It has to go up a step into the
> >> >> basement, as well.
> >> >>
> >> >> I bought a Gorilla Gripper that would break my arm if it weren't
> >> >> already broken. It's probably OK for 1/2" ply but MDF and melamine
> >> >> are killers.
> >> >>
> >> >> This is about the best I've seen but one still has to lift the panel
> >> >> over obstacles. The big problem is that the hand bar is just too
> >> >> narrow. It's only about 1/4" and it needs to be about 1" or perhaps a
> >> >> little more.
> >> >>
> >> >> <https://www.amazon.com/Telpro-Troll-300-Pound-Capacity-Handler/dp/B0000224PA/ref=sr_1_19?keywords=Plywood+Lifting+Tool&qid=1645996066&sr=8-19>
> >> >
> >> >It sounds like you would need something like a cross between a garden cart with pneumatic tires and a panel mover. I have not seen such an animal.
> >> That sounds about right. Anything I'd build would be way too heavy.
> >
> >Interesting.
> >
> >https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200198174_200198174
> How does that move a sheet of plywood (or two sheets of drywall)?
> >
> >>
> >> There's something in here to think about though.
> >> >I have a troll panel lift. I bought it about 19 years ago. It is pretty handy. It would be pretty straighforward to add a larger diameter handgrip.
> >> Exactly. I have one and as you say, it's handle is the problem. The
> >> handle is a loop so putting on a larger handle is a bit of a problem.
> >> I haven't figured out how, yet, but maybe a bicycle handgrip on a
> >> cut-away dowel? ...and a wad of electrical tape? If the handle were
> >> open, instead of a loop, a dowel and fly-rod shrink tubing would work.
> >>
> >> I use one to move sheets around the shop but I don't have to pick them
> >> up to move them more than a couple of inches and the floor is flat.

I thought since it was same bed length as most short bed pickups, it might hold a sheet of plywood. It certainly has easier rolling wheels compared casters on other carts mentioned. 3/4" MDF would still be a challenge

On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 6:15:56 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 14:00:47 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 2:03:21 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 21:39:21 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
> >> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:30:56 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 10:14:19 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
> >> >> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 3:12:34 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 20:58:41 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
> >> >> >> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 7:19:19 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 16:19:20 -0800 (PST), Sonny <cedar...@aol..com>
> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 11:59:40 AM UTC-6, wrober....@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> So recently, I have been looking at a Bora Centipede. It receives mostly 4-5 star reviews, along with a smattering of de-riguere 1 star "this is junk" reviews.
> >> >> >> >> >> Does anyone here have experience or opinions to share?
> >> >> >> >> >> Bob
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >I bought the 4X8 Centipede about 4-5 yrs ago, when Centipede Tool had it. Affinity Tool Works acquired it and rebranded it Bora PortaMate.
> >> >> >> >> >It was touted as working well on uneven surfaces. That's probably accurate on an uneven job site, similarly as using saw horses on an uneven job site. Even if a leg was lower or higher than others, that leg would contribute to the stability of the whole since the leg would be "anchored".
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Initially I used my centipede, topped with 1/2" padded ply, mostly as an upholstery work table. When Mom became needy and it was my turn to go over and stay with her, I established a satellite upholstery shop in her 2 car garage. There were times when I worked out on the lawn, which was pretty much level. I never had any issues with wobbling of the table on a slight uneven surface.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >There were times when I didn't unfold it completely, hence it was taller than when fully opened. I'd use a half sheet of ply on top. Though partially opened/extended, I needed a work space a little higher than normal for a short time.... and though partially opened is not secure for its touted 4500 lbs weight bearing, the open position was sufficient for my smaller projects or tasks at hand. It was plenty secure for this much lesser weight.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >As to cutting sheet goods, I've never used it for that, however one could easily cut any sheet, any direction as long as you made adjustments to prevent cutting the supports, pads, etc. There is plenty of space between supports for a blade to run well past any of them.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >It's a heck of a lot easier to toss it in the garage (out of the rain) for a quick job, than hauling in saw horses for table top support. I don't do lots of carpentry work/jobs, so my experience with it is probably much less than what a dedicated carpenter or similar would do.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Today's C costs $200. I paid $100 for mine. Today's accessories (designs) are a little different, but same function. My accessories are in a plastic shopping bag hanging on the shop wall... don't need the carrying bag anymore. I gave my bag to my nephew for carrying some of his 30" surveying work tools and/or accessories. I sewed a several velcro strips/straps inside for better securing the tools.... worked out great for him and I was glad to surrender the bag.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >My only complaint about the Centipede today is... I'm getting too old for lifting heavy stuff. Though it's only ..... I don't know, guessing.... about 25 lbs, I don't like lifting "heavy" awkward stuff anymore. Many things in my shop, these days, have been relabeled as heavy and awkward, that use to not be.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Sonny
> >> >> >> >> Plywood weighs a lot more than 25lbs and is about as awkward as it
> >> >> >> >> gets. You plywood on your Centipede, right?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I'm starting to worry that I won't be able to carry full sheets
> >> >> >> >> anymore. My arm/hand may never fully recover. I can handle it around
> >> >> >> >> the shop but unloading sheets off my truck may be a real problem.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >I bought a rockler Material Mate cart to serve the purpose of moving heavy sheet goods. It helps a lot and it is sturdy. I would appreciate it more if it did not take up so much space. It is worth considering if your concern is unloading your truck and getting the material to the shop.
> >> >> >> I have all sorts of panel movers that I thought were a good idea at
> >> >> >> the time. All have one problem or another. I have a Bora Portamate
> >> >> >> that looks great on paper but it's simply too heavy to be of any use
> >> >> >> bringing panels in from my truck. The latch is in an impossible place
> >> >> >> with a panel on it so it's not really of much use around the shop
> >> >> >> either.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> My shop is in a walk-out basement. The access is in the rear and
> >> >> >> opens out to "grass". I think the casters on the Rockler panel cart
> >> >> >> would be way too small to work. It has to go up a step into the
> >> >> >> basement, as well.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I bought a Gorilla Gripper that would break my arm if it weren't
> >> >> >> already broken. It's probably OK for 1/2" ply but MDF and melamine
> >> >> >> are killers.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> This is about the best I've seen but one still has to lift the panel
> >> >> >> over obstacles. The big problem is that the hand bar is just too
> >> >> >> narrow. It's only about 1/4" and it needs to be about 1" or perhaps a
> >> >> >> little more.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> <https://www.amazon.com/Telpro-Troll-300-Pound-Capacity-Handler/dp/B0000224PA/ref=sr_1_19?keywords=Plywood+Lifting+Tool&qid=1645996066&sr=8-19>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >It sounds like you would need something like a cross between a garden cart with pneumatic tires and a panel mover. I have not seen such an animal.
> >> >> That sounds about right. Anything I'd build would be way too heavy.
> >> >
> >> >Interesting.
> >> >
> >> >https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200198174_200198174
> >> How does that move a sheet of plywood (or two sheets of drywall)?
> >
> >OK, how about this then? Move, cut, assemble, etc.
> >
> >https://i.imgur.com/T0uPb2s.jpg
> >
> >All you need to do is add these:
> >
> >https://i.imgur.com/71dos8Z.jpg
> I guess I'm looking to go off-road.

Well, you do need to get stuff into your backyard, down the step, etc.

>
> I got to thinking about these:
> <https://www.harborfreight.com/10-inch-pneumatic-tire-with-gold-hub-41475..html>

Run away. Those cheap tube tires will go flat and stay flat. BTDT

I replaced the wheels/tires on my 2-wheeled lawn cart with these. Flat free..

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08BCLJZN4

> with some aluminum channel to make a larger-wheeled version of
> <https://www.amazon.com/Telpro-Troll-300-Pound-Capacity-Handler/dp/B0000224PA/ref=sr_1_35>Or
> While looking for a picture of the above, I found these:
> <https://www.amazon.com/Weha-Yellow-Install-Pneumatic-Capacity/dp/B06X19G4X6/ref=sr_1_24>
>
> <https://www.amazon.com/Strongway-Panel-Dolly-Pneumatic-Wheels/dp/B07RV54ZC6/ref=sr_1_12>
>
> Close

On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 6:50:27 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 15:10:44 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 1:03:21 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 21:39:21 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
> >> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:30:56 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 10:14:19 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
> >> >> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 3:12:34 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 20:58:41 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
> >> >> >> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 7:19:19 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 16:19:20 -0800 (PST), Sonny <cedar...@aol..com>
> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 11:59:40 AM UTC-6, wrober....@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> So recently, I have been looking at a Bora Centipede. It receives mostly 4-5 star reviews, along with a smattering of de-riguere 1 star "this is junk" reviews.
> >> >> >> >> >> Does anyone here have experience or opinions to share?
> >> >> >> >> >> Bob
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >I bought the 4X8 Centipede about 4-5 yrs ago, when Centipede Tool had it. Affinity Tool Works acquired it and rebranded it Bora PortaMate.
> >> >> >> >> >It was touted as working well on uneven surfaces. That's probably accurate on an uneven job site, similarly as using saw horses on an uneven job site. Even if a leg was lower or higher than others, that leg would contribute to the stability of the whole since the leg would be "anchored".
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Initially I used my centipede, topped with 1/2" padded ply, mostly as an upholstery work table. When Mom became needy and it was my turn to go over and stay with her, I established a satellite upholstery shop in her 2 car garage. There were times when I worked out on the lawn, which was pretty much level. I never had any issues with wobbling of the table on a slight uneven surface.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >There were times when I didn't unfold it completely, hence it was taller than when fully opened. I'd use a half sheet of ply on top. Though partially opened/extended, I needed a work space a little higher than normal for a short time.... and though partially opened is not secure for its touted 4500 lbs weight bearing, the open position was sufficient for my smaller projects or tasks at hand. It was plenty secure for this much lesser weight.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >As to cutting sheet goods, I've never used it for that, however one could easily cut any sheet, any direction as long as you made adjustments to prevent cutting the supports, pads, etc. There is plenty of space between supports for a blade to run well past any of them.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >It's a heck of a lot easier to toss it in the garage (out of the rain) for a quick job, than hauling in saw horses for table top support. I don't do lots of carpentry work/jobs, so my experience with it is probably much less than what a dedicated carpenter or similar would do.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Today's C costs $200. I paid $100 for mine. Today's accessories (designs) are a little different, but same function. My accessories are in a plastic shopping bag hanging on the shop wall... don't need the carrying bag anymore. I gave my bag to my nephew for carrying some of his 30" surveying work tools and/or accessories. I sewed a several velcro strips/straps inside for better securing the tools.... worked out great for him and I was glad to surrender the bag.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >My only complaint about the Centipede today is... I'm getting too old for lifting heavy stuff. Though it's only ..... I don't know, guessing.... about 25 lbs, I don't like lifting "heavy" awkward stuff anymore. Many things in my shop, these days, have been relabeled as heavy and awkward, that use to not be.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Sonny
> >> >> >> >> Plywood weighs a lot more than 25lbs and is about as awkward as it
> >> >> >> >> gets. You plywood on your Centipede, right?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I'm starting to worry that I won't be able to carry full sheets
> >> >> >> >> anymore. My arm/hand may never fully recover. I can handle it around
> >> >> >> >> the shop but unloading sheets off my truck may be a real problem.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >I bought a rockler Material Mate cart to serve the purpose of moving heavy sheet goods. It helps a lot and it is sturdy. I would appreciate it more if it did not take up so much space. It is worth considering if your concern is unloading your truck and getting the material to the shop.
> >> >> >> I have all sorts of panel movers that I thought were a good idea at
> >> >> >> the time. All have one problem or another. I have a Bora Portamate
> >> >> >> that looks great on paper but it's simply too heavy to be of any use
> >> >> >> bringing panels in from my truck. The latch is in an impossible place
> >> >> >> with a panel on it so it's not really of much use around the shop
> >> >> >> either.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> My shop is in a walk-out basement. The access is in the rear and
> >> >> >> opens out to "grass". I think the casters on the Rockler panel cart
> >> >> >> would be way too small to work. It has to go up a step into the
> >> >> >> basement, as well.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I bought a Gorilla Gripper that would break my arm if it weren't
> >> >> >> already broken. It's probably OK for 1/2" ply but MDF and melamine
> >> >> >> are killers.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> This is about the best I've seen but one still has to lift the panel
> >> >> >> over obstacles. The big problem is that the hand bar is just too
> >> >> >> narrow. It's only about 1/4" and it needs to be about 1" or perhaps a
> >> >> >> little more.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> <https://www.amazon.com/Telpro-Troll-300-Pound-Capacity-Handler/dp/B0000224PA/ref=sr_1_19?keywords=Plywood+Lifting+Tool&qid=1645996066&sr=8-19>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >It sounds like you would need something like a cross between a garden cart with pneumatic tires and a panel mover. I have not seen such an animal.
> >> >> That sounds about right. Anything I'd build would be way too heavy.
> >> >
> >> >Interesting.
> >> >
> >> >https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200198174_200198174
> >> How does that move a sheet of plywood (or two sheets of drywall)?
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> There's something in here to think about though.
> >> >> >I have a troll panel lift. I bought it about 19 years ago. It is pretty handy. It would be pretty straighforward to add a larger diameter handgrip.
> >> >> Exactly. I have one and as you say, it's handle is the problem. The
> >> >> handle is a loop so putting on a larger handle is a bit of a problem.
> >> >> I haven't figured out how, yet, but maybe a bicycle handgrip on a
> >> >> cut-away dowel? ...and a wad of electrical tape? If the handle were
> >> >> open, instead of a loop, a dowel and fly-rod shrink tubing would work.
> >> >>
> >> >> I use one to move sheets around the shop but I don't have to pick them
> >> >> up to move them more than a couple of inches and the floor is flat.
> >
> >I thought since it was same bed length as most short bed pickups, it might hold a sheet of plywood. It certainly has easier rolling wheels compared casters on other carts mentioned. 3/4" MDF would still be a challenge
> It might work. It's 5' long but 3' would have to hang off the end. It
> couldn't be centered because of the handle. Maybe a clamp or
> something at the front edge could stabilize the sheet. 13" tires is
> certainly good.
>
> Why would MDF be different than ply?

On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 10:34:09 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 16:51:18 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 6:15:56 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 14:00:47 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> >> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 2:03:21 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 21:39:21 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
> >> >> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:30:56 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> >> >> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 10:14:19 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
> >> >> >> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 3:12:34 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 20:58:41 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
> >> >> >> >> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 7:19:19 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 16:19:20 -0800 (PST), Sonny <cedar...@aol.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 11:59:40 AM UTC-6, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> So recently, I have been looking at a Bora Centipede. It receives mostly 4-5 star reviews, along with a smattering of de-riguere 1 star "this is junk" reviews.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Does anyone here have experience or opinions to share?
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Bob
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >I bought the 4X8 Centipede about 4-5 yrs ago, when Centipede Tool had it. Affinity Tool Works acquired it and rebranded it Bora PortaMate.
> >> >> >> >> >> >It was touted as working well on uneven surfaces. That's probably accurate on an uneven job site, similarly as using saw horses on an uneven job site. Even if a leg was lower or higher than others, that leg would contribute to the stability of the whole since the leg would be "anchored".
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >Initially I used my centipede, topped with 1/2" padded ply, mostly as an upholstery work table. When Mom became needy and it was my turn to go over and stay with her, I established a satellite upholstery shop in her 2 car garage. There were times when I worked out on the lawn, which was pretty much level. I never had any issues with wobbling of the table on a slight uneven surface.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >There were times when I didn't unfold it completely, hence it was taller than when fully opened. I'd use a half sheet of ply on top. Though partially opened/extended, I needed a work space a little higher than normal for a short time.... and though partially opened is not secure for its touted 4500 lbs weight bearing, the open position was sufficient for my smaller projects or tasks at hand. It was plenty secure for this much lesser weight.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >As to cutting sheet goods, I've never used it for that, however one could easily cut any sheet, any direction as long as you made adjustments to prevent cutting the supports, pads, etc. There is plenty of space between supports for a blade to run well past any of them.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >It's a heck of a lot easier to toss it in the garage (out of the rain) for a quick job, than hauling in saw horses for table top support. I don't do lots of carpentry work/jobs, so my experience with it is probably much less than what a dedicated carpenter or similar would do.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >Today's C costs $200. I paid $100 for mine. Today's accessories (designs) are a little different, but same function. My accessories are in a plastic shopping bag hanging on the shop wall... don't need the carrying bag anymore. I gave my bag to my nephew for carrying some of his 30" surveying work tools and/or accessories. I sewed a several velcro strips/straps inside for better securing the tools.... worked out great for him and I was glad to surrender the bag.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >My only complaint about the Centipede today is... I'm getting too old for lifting heavy stuff. Though it's only ..... I don't know, guessing.... about 25 lbs, I don't like lifting "heavy" awkward stuff anymore. Many things in my shop, these days, have been relabeled as heavy and awkward, that use to not be.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >Sonny
> >> >> >> >> >> Plywood weighs a lot more than 25lbs and is about as awkward as it
> >> >> >> >> >> gets. You plywood on your Centipede, right?
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> I'm starting to worry that I won't be able to carry full sheets
> >> >> >> >> >> anymore. My arm/hand may never fully recover. I can handle it around
> >> >> >> >> >> the shop but unloading sheets off my truck may be a real problem.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >I bought a rockler Material Mate cart to serve the purpose of moving heavy sheet goods. It helps a lot and it is sturdy. I would appreciate it more if it did not take up so much space. It is worth considering if your concern is unloading your truck and getting the material to the shop..
> >> >> >> >> I have all sorts of panel movers that I thought were a good idea at
> >> >> >> >> the time. All have one problem or another. I have a Bora Portamate
> >> >> >> >> that looks great on paper but it's simply too heavy to be of any use
> >> >> >> >> bringing panels in from my truck. The latch is in an impossible place
> >> >> >> >> with a panel on it so it's not really of much use around the shop
> >> >> >> >> either.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> My shop is in a walk-out basement. The access is in the rear and
> >> >> >> >> opens out to "grass". I think the casters on the Rockler panel cart
> >> >> >> >> would be way too small to work. It has to go up a step into the
> >> >> >> >> basement, as well.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I bought a Gorilla Gripper that would break my arm if it weren't
> >> >> >> >> already broken. It's probably OK for 1/2" ply but MDF and melamine
> >> >> >> >> are killers.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> This is about the best I've seen but one still has to lift the panel
> >> >> >> >> over obstacles. The big problem is that the hand bar is just too
> >> >> >> >> narrow. It's only about 1/4" and it needs to be about 1" or perhaps a
> >> >> >> >> little more.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> <https://www.amazon.com/Telpro-Troll-300-Pound-Capacity-Handler/dp/B0000224PA/ref=sr_1_19?keywords=Plywood+Lifting+Tool&qid=1645996066&sr=8-19>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >It sounds like you would need something like a cross between a garden cart with pneumatic tires and a panel mover. I have not seen such an animal.
> >> >> >> That sounds about right. Anything I'd build would be way too heavy.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Interesting.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200198174_200198174
> >> >> How does that move a sheet of plywood (or two sheets of drywall)?
> >> >
> >> >OK, how about this then? Move, cut, assemble, etc.
> >> >
> >> >https://i.imgur.com/T0uPb2s.jpg
> >> >
> >> >All you need to do is add these:
> >> >
> >> >https://i.imgur.com/71dos8Z.jpg
> >> I guess I'm looking to go off-road.
> >
> >Well, you do need to get stuff into your backyard, down the step, etc.
> >
> I can get into the back yard with the truck. Step up (no big deal).
> >> I got to thinking about these:
> >> <https://www.harborfreight.com/10-inch-pneumatic-tire-with-gold-hub-41475.html>
> >
> >Run away. Those cheap tube tires will go flat and stay flat. BTDT
> I have eight of them that I used to move my big tools. They were flat
> but hold air. I think they have a tube.

On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 3:48:33 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 06:35:57 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 10:34:09 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 16:51:18 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> >> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 6:15:56 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> >> On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 14:00:47 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> >> >> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 2:03:21 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> >> >> On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 21:39:21 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
> >> >> >> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:30:56 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 10:14:19 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
> >> >> >> >> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 3:12:34 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 20:58:41 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
> >> >> >> >> >> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 7:19:19 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 16:19:20 -0800 (PST), Sonny <cedar....@aol.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 11:59:40 AM UTC-6, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> So recently, I have been looking at a Bora Centipede.. It receives mostly 4-5 star reviews, along with a smattering of de-riguere 1 star "this is junk" reviews.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Does anyone here have experience or opinions to share?
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Bob
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I bought the 4X8 Centipede about 4-5 yrs ago, when Centipede Tool had it. Affinity Tool Works acquired it and rebranded it Bora PortaMate.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >It was touted as working well on uneven surfaces. That's probably accurate on an uneven job site, similarly as using saw horses on an uneven job site. Even if a leg was lower or higher than others, that leg would contribute to the stability of the whole since the leg would be "anchored".
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Initially I used my centipede, topped with 1/2" padded ply, mostly as an upholstery work table. When Mom became needy and it was my turn to go over and stay with her, I established a satellite upholstery shop in her 2 car garage. There were times when I worked out on the lawn, which was pretty much level. I never had any issues with wobbling of the table on a slight uneven surface.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >There were times when I didn't unfold it completely, hence it was taller than when fully opened. I'd use a half sheet of ply on top. Though partially opened/extended, I needed a work space a little higher than normal for a short time.... and though partially opened is not secure for its touted 4500 lbs weight bearing, the open position was sufficient for my smaller projects or tasks at hand. It was plenty secure for this much lesser weight.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >As to cutting sheet goods, I've never used it for that, however one could easily cut any sheet, any direction as long as you made adjustments to prevent cutting the supports, pads, etc. There is plenty of space between supports for a blade to run well past any of them.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >It's a heck of a lot easier to toss it in the garage (out of the rain) for a quick job, than hauling in saw horses for table top support. I don't do lots of carpentry work/jobs, so my experience with it is probably much less than what a dedicated carpenter or similar would do.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Today's C costs $200. I paid $100 for mine. Today's accessories (designs) are a little different, but same function. My accessories are in a plastic shopping bag hanging on the shop wall... don't need the carrying bag anymore. I gave my bag to my nephew for carrying some of his 30" surveying work tools and/or accessories. I sewed a several velcro strips/straps inside for better securing the tools.... worked out great for him and I was glad to surrender the bag.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >My only complaint about the Centipede today is... I'm getting too old for lifting heavy stuff. Though it's only ..... I don't know, guessing.... about 25 lbs, I don't like lifting "heavy" awkward stuff anymore. Many things in my shop, these days, have been relabeled as heavy and awkward, that use to not be.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Sonny
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Plywood weighs a lot more than 25lbs and is about as awkward as it
> >> >> >> >> >> >> gets. You plywood on your Centipede, right?
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm starting to worry that I won't be able to carry full sheets
> >> >> >> >> >> >> anymore. My arm/hand may never fully recover. I can handle it around
> >> >> >> >> >> >> the shop but unloading sheets off my truck may be a real problem.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >I bought a rockler Material Mate cart to serve the purpose of moving heavy sheet goods. It helps a lot and it is sturdy. I would appreciate it more if it did not take up so much space. It is worth considering if your concern is unloading your truck and getting the material to the shop.
> >> >> >> >> >> I have all sorts of panel movers that I thought were a good idea at
> >> >> >> >> >> the time. All have one problem or another. I have a Bora Portamate
> >> >> >> >> >> that looks great on paper but it's simply too heavy to be of any use
> >> >> >> >> >> bringing panels in from my truck. The latch is in an impossible place
> >> >> >> >> >> with a panel on it so it's not really of much use around the shop
> >> >> >> >> >> either.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> My shop is in a walk-out basement. The access is in the rear and
> >> >> >> >> >> opens out to "grass". I think the casters on the Rockler panel cart
> >> >> >> >> >> would be way too small to work. It has to go up a step into the
> >> >> >> >> >> basement, as well.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> I bought a Gorilla Gripper that would break my arm if it weren't
> >> >> >> >> >> already broken. It's probably OK for 1/2" ply but MDF and melamine
> >> >> >> >> >> are killers.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> This is about the best I've seen but one still has to lift the panel
> >> >> >> >> >> over obstacles. The big problem is that the hand bar is just too
> >> >> >> >> >> narrow. It's only about 1/4" and it needs to be about 1" or perhaps a
> >> >> >> >> >> little more.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> <https://www.amazon.com/Telpro-Troll-300-Pound-Capacity-Handler/dp/B0000224PA/ref=sr_1_19?keywords=Plywood+Lifting+Tool&qid=1645996066&sr=8-19>
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >It sounds like you would need something like a cross between a garden cart with pneumatic tires and a panel mover. I have not seen such an animal.
> >> >> >> >> That sounds about right. Anything I'd build would be way too heavy.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Interesting.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200198174_200198174
> >> >> >> How does that move a sheet of plywood (or two sheets of drywall)?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >OK, how about this then? Move, cut, assemble, etc.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >https://i.imgur.com/T0uPb2s.jpg
> >> >> >
> >> >> >All you need to do is add these:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >https://i.imgur.com/71dos8Z.jpg
> >> >> I guess I'm looking to go off-road.
> >> >
> >> >Well, you do need to get stuff into your backyard, down the step, etc..
> >> >
> >> I can get into the back yard with the truck. Step up (no big deal).
> >> >> I got to thinking about these:
> >> >> <https://www.harborfreight.com/10-inch-pneumatic-tire-with-gold-hub-41475.html>
> >> >
> >> >Run away. Those cheap tube tires will go flat and stay flat. BTDT
> >> I have eight of them that I used to move my big tools. They were flat
> >> but hold air. I think they have a tube.
> >
> >The PITA was having to fill my lawn cart tires every time SWMBO or I wanted to use
> >it. Since she's the gardener, she wanted to use it a lot and I wasn't always around.
> >Used to really piss her off, especially since I bought the 2 wheel unit mainly for her
> >so she didn't have to fight the wheel barrow. Hills, curves and uneven surfaces.
>
> My wife's car tires slowly lose air (no idea why but all four do). I
> bought one of the "Ryobi One" battery powered air pumps to fill tires.
> When the tire pressure light comes on, she does it herself.

On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 5:07:50 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 13:46:05 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 3:48:33 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 06:35:57 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> >> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 10:34:09 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> >> On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 16:51:18 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> >> >> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 6:15:56 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> >> >> On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 14:00:47 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> >> >> >> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 2:03:21 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 21:39:21 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
> >> >> >> >> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:30:56 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 10:14:19 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
> >> >> >> >> >> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 3:12:34 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 20:58:41 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
> >> >> >> >> >> >> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 7:19:19 PM UTC-6, k....@notreal.com wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 16:19:20 -0800 (PST), Sonny <cedar...@aol.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 11:59:40 AM UTC-6, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> So recently, I have been looking at a Bora Centipede. It receives mostly 4-5 star reviews, along with a smattering of de-riguere 1 star "this is junk" reviews.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Does anyone here have experience or opinions to share?
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Bob
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I bought the 4X8 Centipede about 4-5 yrs ago, when Centipede Tool had it. Affinity Tool Works acquired it and rebranded it Bora PortaMate.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >It was touted as working well on uneven surfaces. That's probably accurate on an uneven job site, similarly as using saw horses on an uneven job site. Even if a leg was lower or higher than others, that leg would contribute to the stability of the whole since the leg would be "anchored".
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Initially I used my centipede, topped with 1/2" padded ply, mostly as an upholstery work table. When Mom became needy and it was my turn to go over and stay with her, I established a satellite upholstery shop in her 2 car garage. There were times when I worked out on the lawn, which was pretty much level. I never had any issues with wobbling of the table on a slight uneven surface.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >There were times when I didn't unfold it completely, hence it was taller than when fully opened. I'd use a half sheet of ply on top. Though partially opened/extended, I needed a work space a little higher than normal for a short time.... and though partially opened is not secure for its touted 4500 lbs weight bearing, the open position was sufficient for my smaller projects or tasks at hand. It was plenty secure for this much lesser weight.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >As to cutting sheet goods, I've never used it for that, however one could easily cut any sheet, any direction as long as you made adjustments to prevent cutting the supports, pads, etc. There is plenty of space between supports for a blade to run well past any of them.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >It's a heck of a lot easier to toss it in the garage (out of the rain) for a quick job, than hauling in saw horses for table top support. I don't do lots of carpentry work/jobs, so my experience with it is probably much less than what a dedicated carpenter or similar would do..
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Today's C costs $200. I paid $100 for mine. Today's accessories (designs) are a little different, but same function. My accessories are in a plastic shopping bag hanging on the shop wall... don't need the carrying bag anymore. I gave my bag to my nephew for carrying some of his 30" surveying work tools and/or accessories. I sewed a several velcro strips/straps inside for better securing the tools.... worked out great for him and I was glad to surrender the bag.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >My only complaint about the Centipede today is... I'm getting too old for lifting heavy stuff. Though it's only ..... I don't know, guessing.... about 25 lbs, I don't like lifting "heavy" awkward stuff anymore. Many things in my shop, these days, have been relabeled as heavy and awkward, that use to not be.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Sonny
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Plywood weighs a lot more than 25lbs and is about as awkward as it
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> gets. You plywood on your Centipede, right?
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm starting to worry that I won't be able to carry full sheets
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> anymore. My arm/hand may never fully recover. I can handle it around
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the shop but unloading sheets off my truck may be a real problem.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I bought a rockler Material Mate cart to serve the purpose of moving heavy sheet goods. It helps a lot and it is sturdy. I would appreciate it more if it did not take up so much space. It is worth considering if your concern is unloading your truck and getting the material to the shop.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> I have all sorts of panel movers that I thought were a good idea at
> >> >> >> >> >> >> the time. All have one problem or another. I have a Bora Portamate
> >> >> >> >> >> >> that looks great on paper but it's simply too heavy to be of any use
> >> >> >> >> >> >> bringing panels in from my truck. The latch is in an impossible place
> >> >> >> >> >> >> with a panel on it so it's not really of much use around the shop
> >> >> >> >> >> >> either.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> My shop is in a walk-out basement. The access is in the rear and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> opens out to "grass". I think the casters on the Rockler panel cart
> >> >> >> >> >> >> would be way too small to work. It has to go up a step into the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> basement, as well.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> I bought a Gorilla Gripper that would break my arm if it weren't
> >> >> >> >> >> >> already broken. It's probably OK for 1/2" ply but MDF and melamine
> >> >> >> >> >> >> are killers.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> This is about the best I've seen but one still has to lift the panel
> >> >> >> >> >> >> over obstacles. The big problem is that the hand bar is just too
> >> >> >> >> >> >> narrow. It's only about 1/4" and it needs to be about 1" or perhaps a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> little more.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> <https://www.amazon.com/Telpro-Troll-300-Pound-Capacity-Handler/dp/B0000224PA/ref=sr_1_19?keywords=Plywood+Lifting+Tool&qid=1645996066&sr=8-19>
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >It sounds like you would need something like a cross between a garden cart with pneumatic tires and a panel mover. I have not seen such an animal.
> >> >> >> >> >> That sounds about right. Anything I'd build would be way too heavy.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Interesting.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200198174_200198174
> >> >> >> >> How does that move a sheet of plywood (or two sheets of drywall)?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >OK, how about this then? Move, cut, assemble, etc.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >https://i.imgur.com/T0uPb2s.jpg
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >All you need to do is add these:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >https://i.imgur.com/71dos8Z.jpg
> >> >> >> I guess I'm looking to go off-road.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Well, you do need to get stuff into your backyard, down the step, etc.
> >> >> >
> >> >> I can get into the back yard with the truck. Step up (no big deal).
> >> >> >> I got to thinking about these:
> >> >> >> <https://www.harborfreight.com/10-inch-pneumatic-tire-with-gold-hub-41475.html>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Run away. Those cheap tube tires will go flat and stay flat. BTDT
> >> >> I have eight of them that I used to move my big tools. They were flat
> >> >> but hold air. I think they have a tube.
> >> >
> >> >The PITA was having to fill my lawn cart tires every time SWMBO or I wanted to use
> >> >it. Since she's the gardener, she wanted to use it a lot and I wasn't always around.
> >> >Used to really piss her off, especially since I bought the 2 wheel unit mainly for her
> >> >so she didn't have to fight the wheel barrow. Hills, curves and uneven surfaces.
> >>
> >> My wife's car tires slowly lose air (no idea why but all four do). I
> >> bought one of the "Ryobi One" battery powered air pumps to fill tires.
> >> When the tire pressure light comes on, she does it herself.
> >
> >Bad seal at the rim or bad seal at the TMPS sensor (valve stem).
> >
> >I've experience both, especially with aluminum wheels.
> All four? Well it's obvious that it is all four but that seems to be
> pretty poor quality/design/whatever. Her car has to go into the shop
> Monday (brake light on). Maybe have them look at it but at $100 per
> wheel, it's easier to just have her check the pressure occasionally.

On 3/5/2022 3:46 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 3:48:33 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 06:35:57 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
>> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 10:34:09 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 16:51:18 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
>>>> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 6:15:56 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 14:00:47 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
>>>>>> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 2:03:21 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 21:39:21 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
>>>>>>>> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:30:56 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 10:14:19 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
>>>>>>>>>> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 3:12:34 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 20:58:41 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
>>>>>>>>>>>> <wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 7:19:19 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 16:19:20 -0800 (PST), Sonny <cedar...@aol.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 11:59:40 AM UTC-6, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So recently, I have been looking at a Bora Centipede. It receives mostly 4-5 star reviews, along with a smattering of de-riguere 1 star "this is junk" reviews.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone here have experience or opinions to share?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I bought the 4X8 Centipede about 4-5 yrs ago, when Centipede Tool had it. Affinity Tool Works acquired it and rebranded it Bora PortaMate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was touted as working well on uneven surfaces. That's probably accurate on an uneven job site, similarly as using saw horses on an uneven job site. Even if a leg was lower or higher than others, that leg would contribute to the stability of the whole since the leg would be "anchored".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Initially I used my centipede, topped with 1/2" padded ply, mostly as an upholstery work table. When Mom became needy and it was my turn to go over and stay with her, I established a satellite upholstery shop in her 2 car garage. There were times when I worked out on the lawn, which was pretty much level. I never had any issues with wobbling of the table on a slight uneven surface.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There were times when I didn't unfold it completely, hence it was taller than when fully opened. I'd use a half sheet of ply on top. Though partially opened/extended, I needed a work space a little higher than normal for a short time.... and though partially opened is not secure for its touted 4500 lbs weight bearing, the open position was sufficient for my smaller projects or tasks at hand. It was plenty secure for this much lesser weight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to cutting sheet goods, I've never used it for that, however one could easily cut any sheet, any direction as long as you made adjustments to prevent cutting the supports, pads, etc. There is plenty of space between supports for a blade to run well past any of them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a heck of a lot easier to toss it in the garage (out of the rain) for a quick job, than hauling in saw horses for table top support. I don't do lots of carpentry work/jobs, so my experience with it is probably much less than what a dedicated carpenter or similar would do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today's C costs $200. I paid $100 for mine. Today's accessories (designs) are a little different, but same function. My accessories are in a plastic shopping bag hanging on the shop wall... don't need the carrying bag anymore. I gave my bag to my nephew for carrying some of his 30" surveying work tools and/or accessories. I sewed a several velcro strips/straps inside for better securing the tools.... worked out great for him and I was glad to surrender the bag.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My only complaint about the Centipede today is... I'm getting too old for lifting heavy stuff. Though it's only ..... I don't know, guessing.... about 25 lbs, I don't like lifting "heavy" awkward stuff anymore. Many things in my shop, these days, have been relabeled as heavy and awkward, that use to not be.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sonny
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plywood weighs a lot more than 25lbs and is about as awkward as it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gets. You plywood on your Centipede, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm starting to worry that I won't be able to carry full sheets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. My arm/hand may never fully recover. I can handle it around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the shop but unloading sheets off my truck may be a real problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I bought a rockler Material Mate cart to serve the purpose of moving heavy sheet goods. It helps a lot and it is sturdy. I would appreciate it more if it did not take up so much space. It is worth considering if your concern is unloading your truck and getting the material to the shop.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have all sorts of panel movers that I thought were a good idea at
>>>>>>>>>>>> the time. All have one problem or another. I have a Bora Portamate
>>>>>>>>>>>> that looks great on paper but it's simply too heavy to be of any use
>>>>>>>>>>>> bringing panels in from my truck. The latch is in an impossible place
>>>>>>>>>>>> with a panel on it so it's not really of much use around the shop
>>>>>>>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My shop is in a walk-out basement. The access is in the rear and
>>>>>>>>>>>> opens out to "grass". I think the casters on the Rockler panel cart
>>>>>>>>>>>> would be way too small to work. It has to go up a step into the
>>>>>>>>>>>> basement, as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I bought a Gorilla Gripper that would break my arm if it weren't
>>>>>>>>>>>> already broken. It's probably OK for 1/2" ply but MDF and melamine
>>>>>>>>>>>> are killers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is about the best I've seen but one still has to lift the panel
>>>>>>>>>>>> over obstacles. The big problem is that the hand bar is just too
>>>>>>>>>>>> narrow. It's only about 1/4" and it needs to be about 1" or perhaps a
>>>>>>>>>>>> little more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Telpro-Troll-300-Pound-Capacity-Handler/dp/B0000224PA/ref=sr_1_19?keywords=Plywood+Lifting+Tool&qid=1645996066&sr=8-19>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like you would need something like a cross between a garden cart with pneumatic tires and a panel mover. I have not seen such an animal.
>>>>>>>>>> That sounds about right. Anything I'd build would be way too heavy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Interesting.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200198174_200198174
>>>>>>>> How does that move a sheet of plywood (or two sheets of drywall)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, how about this then? Move, cut, assemble, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/T0uPb2s.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All you need to do is add these:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/71dos8Z.jpg
>>>>>> I guess I'm looking to go off-road.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, you do need to get stuff into your backyard, down the step, etc.
>>>>>
>>>> I can get into the back yard with the truck. Step up (no big deal).
>>>>>> I got to thinking about these:
>>>>>> <https://www.harborfreight.com/10-inch-pneumatic-tire-with-gold-hub-41475.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> Run away. Those cheap tube tires will go flat and stay flat. BTDT
>>>> I have eight of them that I used to move my big tools. They were flat
>>>> but hold air. I think they have a tube.
>>>
>>> The PITA was having to fill my lawn cart tires every time SWMBO or I wanted to use
>>> it. Since she's the gardener, she wanted to use it a lot and I wasn't always around.
>>> Used to really piss her off, especially since I bought the 2 wheel unit mainly for her
>>> so she didn't have to fight the wheel barrow. Hills, curves and uneven surfaces.
>>
>> My wife's car tires slowly lose air (no idea why but all four do). I
>> bought one of the "Ryobi One" battery powered air pumps to fill tires.
>> When the tire pressure light comes on, she does it herself.
>
> Bad seal at the rim or bad seal at the TMPS sensor (valve stem).