On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 15:07:14 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
<slmehl420@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:43:38 PM UTC-7, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:40:23 PM UTC-4, slme...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 5:42:49 AM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>> > > On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
>> > > <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 7:23:22 PM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>> > > >> On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
>> > > >> <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> >Hello --
>> > > >> >Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider
>> > > >> >for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?
>> > > >> >The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.
>> > > >> >Thank you for any suggestions,
>> > > >> >Larry Mehl
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Check out all the possibilities at Lee Valley -
>> > > >> they have pretty good product descriptions and be sure to
>> > > >> read the detailed info link .. " Care and Use " pdf
>> > > >> for the dirty little details.
>> > > >> Just an example here :
>> > > >> https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235
>> > > >> John T.
>> > > >
>> > > >John T --
>> > > >[In a message I now can't find, you listed some side-mount mfgrs names]
>> > > >Thanks for the side-mount manufacturers names. That helps me.
>> > > >I was first attracted to KV 8450FM Full Extension Soft Close. But ... probably overkill for drawers holding bedside stuff!
>> > > >My bedside cabinets are yet to be built (not a retrofit).
>> > > >Sliders will attach to the insides of the case (not a face frame situation).
>> > > >The drawer boxes will be 1" smaller than the distance between the inside walls of each side.
>> > > >
>> > > You don't state the depth ie: slide length ;
>> > > If you're looking for side mount, ball bearing, self close,
>> > > - these come in 14 or 16 inch at Lee Valley
>> > > but other lengths in similar slides might be available elsewhere ?
>> > >
>> > > This link is USA site < previous under-mount example was Canada >
>> > >
>> > > https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/112318-regular-extension-soft-closing-slides?item=02K4935
>> > >
>> > > It says that side clearance must be :
>> > > 1/2 inch + / - 1/32 / Zero
>> > >
>> > > These are more than double the cost of the Blum slides.
>> > >
>> > > John T.
>> > John --
>> > Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
>> > The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
>> > What do you and other readers think of the Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.
>> You said you wanted soft close and 14”. The DUR45B 20 is neither.
>
>I changed my mind ... I now don't think soft close is important for a bedside table/cabinet.

I'd go for the little more money and do the soft-close for any
furniture but in particular bedside tables. Sometimes I reach for the
drawers while in bed. It would be nice if the drawers closed that
last inch without being pushed. Just my preference.

>My typo ... The DUR45B comes in a 14".

On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 3:47:08 PM UTC-7, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 6:27:39 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
> > On 7/29/2022 12:43 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > > On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:46:38 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
> > >> On 7/29/2022 10:32 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > >>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 7:08:07 AM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>> Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
> > >>>>>> The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
> > >>>>>> What do you and other readers think of the
> > >>>>> Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You said you wanted soft close and 14”. The DUR45B 20 is neither.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> 100 lb. 14 inch not-soft-close $ 15.20 / pair. US $.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/114054-100-lb-slides-31j32-series-full-extension?item=02K7014
> > >>>>
> > >>>> What is your price for the K&V ?
> > >>>> John T.
> > >>>
> > >>> Is it just about price?
> > >>>
> > >>> The KV's, available from Amazon (and other sources) run ~$24, the Lee Valley's are ~$15. It sounds
> > >>> like the OP needs 4 pairs, so both would be above the free shipping point.
> > >>>
> > >>> $98 for the KV's vs $60 for the LV's, before tax
> > >>>
> > >>> I know the KV's, I don't know the LV's. They call them "our slides" but I doubt they actually
> > >>> make them, so tracking down the actual manufacturer might be difficult (might not be, I
> > >>> haven't tried.) Maybe I missed it, but I don't see any reviews of the LV slides on their website.
> > >>>
> > >>> Since it looks like both offer free shipping and free returns (I think) I'd probably buy both
> > >>> and compare them side by side.
> > >>>
> > >> WoodWorkers Hardware is a source for slides that I have used for decades.
> > >>
> > >> https://www.wwhardware.com/?_vsrefdom=adwords&gclid=Cj0KCQjwio6XBhCMARIsAC0u9aG6A0InEmwXO4IQ1HLvRaGdiiejFa_H-Xcz6hdkEjgzOPkSI5IQpQ4aAl0yEALw_wcB
> > >>
> > >> Along with Cornerstone hardware, a local distributor.
> > >>
> > >> https://www.cabinethardware.com/Default.asp" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.cabinethardware.com/Default.asp
> > >
> > > I have purchased slides from WWH in the past. The example I've been using for
> > > the OP are the KV 8450FM 14".
> > >
> > > $98 with free shipping for 4 pairs on Amazon, $132 with shipping from WWH.
> > >
> > > I can't seem to get to the Cornerstone site. Both your link and the same link
> > > found via a Google search for Cornerstone don't work. I tried 2 different
> > > devices, one on my WiFi, one not. Same error.
> > >
> > > This site can’t be reached
> > > www.cabinethardware.com’s server IP address could not be found.
> > >
> > https://www.cabinethardware.com/
> >
> > Past that google cornerstone Hardware.
> I did, earlier. The link returned by the Google search (same link as yours) did not work,
> but it is working now. It definitely wasn't working when I tried it at 1:43PM EST.
>
> The same 2 devices (PC and smartphone) that presented the IP error earlier can both
> access the website now. I know I haven't changed anything. Haven't even closed my
> browsers.
>
> They must have had a short term outage.
I sometimes have personal short term outages !

On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 6:52:12 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 15:07:14 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
> <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:43:38 PM UTC-7, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:40:23 PM UTC-4, slme...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 5:42:49 AM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> >> > > On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
> >> > > <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > >On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 7:23:22 PM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> >> > > >> On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
> >> > > >> <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> >Hello --
> >> > > >> >Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider
> >> > > >> >for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?
> >> > > >> >The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.
> >> > > >> >Thank you for any suggestions,
> >> > > >> >Larry Mehl
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Check out all the possibilities at Lee Valley -
> >> > > >> they have pretty good product descriptions and be sure to
> >> > > >> read the detailed info link .. " Care and Use " pdf
> >> > > >> for the dirty little details.
> >> > > >> Just an example here :
> >> > > >> https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235
> >> > > >> John T.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >John T --
> >> > > >[In a message I now can't find, you listed some side-mount mfgrs names]
> >> > > >Thanks for the side-mount manufacturers names. That helps me.
> >> > > >I was first attracted to KV 8450FM Full Extension Soft Close. But ... probably overkill for drawers holding bedside stuff!
> >> > > >My bedside cabinets are yet to be built (not a retrofit).
> >> > > >Sliders will attach to the insides of the case (not a face frame situation).
> >> > > >The drawer boxes will be 1" smaller than the distance between the inside walls of each side.
> >> > > >
> >> > > You don't state the depth ie: slide length ;
> >> > > If you're looking for side mount, ball bearing, self close,
> >> > > - these come in 14 or 16 inch at Lee Valley
> >> > > but other lengths in similar slides might be available elsewhere ?
> >> > >
> >> > > This link is USA site < previous under-mount example was Canada >
> >> > >
> >> > > https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/112318-regular-extension-soft-closing-slides?item=02K4935
> >> > >
> >> > > It says that side clearance must be :
> >> > > 1/2 inch + / - 1/32 / Zero
> >> > >
> >> > > These are more than double the cost of the Blum slides.
> >> > >
> >> > > John T.
> >> > John --
> >> > Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
> >> > The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
> >> > What do you and other readers think of the Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.
> >> You said you wanted soft close and 14”. The DUR45B 20 is neither.
> >
> >I changed my mind ... I now don't think soft close is important for a bedside table/cabinet.
> I'd go for the little more money and do the soft-close for any
> furniture but in particular bedside tables. Sometimes I reach for the
> drawers while in bed. It would be nice if the drawers closed that
> last inch without being pushed. Just my preference.

+1

I just can't see myself going through the work of building a bedside cabinet
(or any cabinet) around a $6.44 slide.

But hey, I've over-built more than few things in my day. ;-)

On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 15:52:09 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
<slmehl420@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 3:47:08 PM UTC-7, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 6:27:39 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
>> > On 7/29/2022 12:43 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> > > On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:46:38 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
>> > >> On 7/29/2022 10:32 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> > >>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 7:08:07 AM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>> > >>>>>> Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
>> > >>>>>> The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
>> > >>>>>> What do you and other readers think of the
>> > >>>>> Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> You said you wanted soft close and 14”. The DUR45B 20 is neither.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>> 100 lb. 14 inch not-soft-close $ 15.20 / pair. US $.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/114054-100-lb-slides-31j32-series-full-extension?item=02K7014
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> What is your price for the K&V ?
>> > >>>> John T.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Is it just about price?
>> > >>>
>> > >>> The KV's, available from Amazon (and other sources) run ~$24, the Lee Valley's are ~$15. It sounds
>> > >>> like the OP needs 4 pairs, so both would be above the free shipping point.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> $98 for the KV's vs $60 for the LV's, before tax
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I know the KV's, I don't know the LV's. They call them "our slides" but I doubt they actually
>> > >>> make them, so tracking down the actual manufacturer might be difficult (might not be, I
>> > >>> haven't tried.) Maybe I missed it, but I don't see any reviews of the LV slides on their website.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Since it looks like both offer free shipping and free returns (I think) I'd probably buy both
>> > >>> and compare them side by side.
>> > >>>
>> > >> WoodWorkers Hardware is a source for slides that I have used for decades.
>> > >>
>> > >> https://www.wwhardware.com/?_vsrefdom=adwords&gclid=Cj0KCQjwio6XBhCMARIsAC0u9aG6A0InEmwXO4IQ1HLvRaGdiiejFa_H-Xcz6hdkEjgzOPkSI5IQpQ4aAl0yEALw_wcB
>> > >>
>> > >> Along with Cornerstone hardware, a local distributor.
>> > >>
>> > >> https://www.cabinethardware.com/Default.asp" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.cabinethardware.com/Default.asp
>> > >
>> > > I have purchased slides from WWH in the past. The example I've been using for
>> > > the OP are the KV 8450FM 14".
>> > >
>> > > $98 with free shipping for 4 pairs on Amazon, $132 with shipping from WWH.
>> > >
>> > > I can't seem to get to the Cornerstone site. Both your link and the same link
>> > > found via a Google search for Cornerstone don't work. I tried 2 different
>> > > devices, one on my WiFi, one not. Same error.
>> > >
>> > > This site can’t be reached
>> > > www.cabinethardware.com’s server IP address could not be found.
>> > >
>> > https://www.cabinethardware.com/
>> >
>> > Past that google cornerstone Hardware.
>> I did, earlier. The link returned by the Google search (same link as yours) did not work,
>> but it is working now. It definitely wasn't working when I tried it at 1:43PM EST.
>>
>> The same 2 devices (PC and smartphone) that presented the IP error earlier can both
>> access the website now. I know I haven't changed anything. Haven't even closed my
>> browsers.
>>
>> They must have had a short term outage.
>I sometimes have personal short term outages !

Seems pretty personal for an open forum, eh?

On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 18:52:06 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

>On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 15:07:14 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
><slmehl420@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:43:38 PM UTC-7, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:40:23 PM UTC-4, slme...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> > On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 5:42:49 AM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>> > > On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
>>> > > <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > >On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 7:23:22 PM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>> > > >> On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
>>> > > >> <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> >Hello --
>>> > > >> >Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider
>>> > > >> >for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?
>>> > > >> >The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.
>>> > > >> >Thank you for any suggestions,
>>> > > >> >Larry Mehl
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> Check out all the possibilities at Lee Valley -
>>> > > >> they have pretty good product descriptions and be sure to
>>> > > >> read the detailed info link .. " Care and Use " pdf
>>> > > >> for the dirty little details.
>>> > > >> Just an example here :
>>> > > >> https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235
>>> > > >> John T.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >John T --
>>> > > >[In a message I now can't find, you listed some side-mount mfgrs names]
>>> > > >Thanks for the side-mount manufacturers names. That helps me.
>>> > > >I was first attracted to KV 8450FM Full Extension Soft Close. But ... probably overkill for drawers holding bedside stuff!
>>> > > >My bedside cabinets are yet to be built (not a retrofit).
>>> > > >Sliders will attach to the insides of the case (not a face frame situation).
>>> > > >The drawer boxes will be 1" smaller than the distance between the inside walls of each side.
>>> > > >
>>> > > You don't state the depth ie: slide length ;
>>> > > If you're looking for side mount, ball bearing, self close,
>>> > > - these come in 14 or 16 inch at Lee Valley
>>> > > but other lengths in similar slides might be available elsewhere ?
>>> > >
>>> > > This link is USA site < previous under-mount example was Canada >
>>> > >
>>> > > https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/112318-regular-extension-soft-closing-slides?item=02K4935
>>> > >
>>> > > It says that side clearance must be :
>>> > > 1/2 inch + / - 1/32 / Zero
>>> > >
>>> > > These are more than double the cost of the Blum slides.
>>> > >
>>> > > John T.
>>> > John --
>>> > Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
>>> > The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
>>> > What do you and other readers think of the Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.
>>> You said you wanted soft close and 14”. The DUR45B 20 is neither.
>>
>>I changed my mind ... I now don't think soft close is important for a bedside table/cabinet.
>
>I'd go for the little more money and do the soft-close for any
>furniture but in particular bedside tables. Sometimes I reach for the
>drawers while in bed. It would be nice if the drawers closed that
>last inch without being pushed. Just my preference.
>
>

Soft close doesn't need to cost very much more -
- does a person really need 100 lb. ball bearing slides
in a bedside drawer ?
I'd give some consideration to these two examples :

https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235

https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/46580-european-kitchen-slides?item=02K5114

I'm not touting LV as the only retail source -
but it's a good web site for comparison and info.
John T.

On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:48:55 PM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 18:52:06 -0400, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 15:07:14 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
> ><slme...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:43:38 PM UTC-7, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:40:23 PM UTC-4, slme...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> > On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 5:42:49 AM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> >>> > > On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
> >>> > > <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > >On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 7:23:22 PM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail..com wrote:
> >>> > > >> On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
> >>> > > >> <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > > >>
> >>> > > >> >Hello --
> >>> > > >> >Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider
> >>> > > >> >for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?
> >>> > > >> >The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.
> >>> > > >> >Thank you for any suggestions,
> >>> > > >> >Larry Mehl
> >>> > > >>
> >>> > > >> Check out all the possibilities at Lee Valley -
> >>> > > >> they have pretty good product descriptions and be sure to
> >>> > > >> read the detailed info link .. " Care and Use " pdf
> >>> > > >> for the dirty little details.
> >>> > > >> Just an example here :
> >>> > > >> https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235
> >>> > > >> John T.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >John T --
> >>> > > >[In a message I now can't find, you listed some side-mount mfgrs names]
> >>> > > >Thanks for the side-mount manufacturers names. That helps me.
> >>> > > >I was first attracted to KV 8450FM Full Extension Soft Close. But ... probably overkill for drawers holding bedside stuff!
> >>> > > >My bedside cabinets are yet to be built (not a retrofit).
> >>> > > >Sliders will attach to the insides of the case (not a face frame situation).
> >>> > > >The drawer boxes will be 1" smaller than the distance between the inside walls of each side.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > You don't state the depth ie: slide length ;
> >>> > > If you're looking for side mount, ball bearing, self close,
> >>> > > - these come in 14 or 16 inch at Lee Valley
> >>> > > but other lengths in similar slides might be available elsewhere ?
> >>> > >
> >>> > > This link is USA site < previous under-mount example was Canada >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/112318-regular-extension-soft-closing-slides?item=02K4935
> >>> > >
> >>> > > It says that side clearance must be :
> >>> > > 1/2 inch + / - 1/32 / Zero
> >>> > >
> >>> > > These are more than double the cost of the Blum slides.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > John T.
> >>> > John --
> >>> > Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
> >>> > The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
> >>> > What do you and other readers think of the Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.
> >>> You said you wanted soft close and 14”. The DUR45B 20 is neither.
> >>
> >>I changed my mind ... I now don't think soft close is important for a bedside table/cabinet.
> >
> >I'd go for the little more money and do the soft-close for any
> >furniture but in particular bedside tables. Sometimes I reach for the
> >drawers while in bed. It would be nice if the drawers closed that
> >last inch without being pushed. Just my preference.
> >
> >
> Soft close doesn't need to cost very much more -
> - does a person really need 100 lb. ball bearing slides
> in a bedside drawer ?
> I'd give some consideration to these two examples :
>
> https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235
>
> https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/46580-european-kitchen-slides?item=02K5114
>
> I'm not touting LV as the only retail source -
> but it's a good web site for comparison and info.
> John T.

They are both ~3/4 extension slides. I’m a full extension kind of guy. ;-)

I also prefer ball bearings vs. captive roller.

I know, I’m picky.

On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 23:49:14 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

>On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 18:52:06 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 15:07:14 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
>><slmehl420@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:43:38 PM UTC-7, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:40:23 PM UTC-4, slme...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> > On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 5:42:49 AM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>> > > On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
>>>> > > <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > >On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 7:23:22 PM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>> > > >> On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
>>>> > > >> <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >> >Hello --
>>>> > > >> >Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider
>>>> > > >> >for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?
>>>> > > >> >The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.
>>>> > > >> >Thank you for any suggestions,
>>>> > > >> >Larry Mehl
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >> Check out all the possibilities at Lee Valley -
>>>> > > >> they have pretty good product descriptions and be sure to
>>>> > > >> read the detailed info link .. " Care and Use " pdf
>>>> > > >> for the dirty little details.
>>>> > > >> Just an example here :
>>>> > > >> https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235
>>>> > > >> John T.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >John T --
>>>> > > >[In a message I now can't find, you listed some side-mount mfgrs names]
>>>> > > >Thanks for the side-mount manufacturers names. That helps me.
>>>> > > >I was first attracted to KV 8450FM Full Extension Soft Close. But ... probably overkill for drawers holding bedside stuff!
>>>> > > >My bedside cabinets are yet to be built (not a retrofit).
>>>> > > >Sliders will attach to the insides of the case (not a face frame situation).
>>>> > > >The drawer boxes will be 1" smaller than the distance between the inside walls of each side.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > You don't state the depth ie: slide length ;
>>>> > > If you're looking for side mount, ball bearing, self close,
>>>> > > - these come in 14 or 16 inch at Lee Valley
>>>> > > but other lengths in similar slides might be available elsewhere ?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > This link is USA site < previous under-mount example was Canada >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/112318-regular-extension-soft-closing-slides?item=02K4935
>>>> > >
>>>> > > It says that side clearance must be :
>>>> > > 1/2 inch + / - 1/32 / Zero
>>>> > >
>>>> > > These are more than double the cost of the Blum slides.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > John T.
>>>> > John --
>>>> > Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
>>>> > The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
>>>> > What do you and other readers think of the Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.
>>>> You said you wanted soft close and 14”. The DUR45B 20 is neither.
>>>
>>>I changed my mind ... I now don't think soft close is important for a bedside table/cabinet.
>>
>>I'd go for the little more money and do the soft-close for any
>>furniture but in particular bedside tables. Sometimes I reach for the
>>drawers while in bed. It would be nice if the drawers closed that
>>last inch without being pushed. Just my preference.
>>
>>
>
> Soft close doesn't need to cost very much more -
> - does a person really need 100 lb. ball bearing slides
>in a bedside drawer ?

Given the total cost of the night stand, a few more bucks doesn't
matter much. Just my opinion.

> I'd give some consideration to these two examples :
>
>https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235
>
>https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/46580-european-kitchen-slides?item=02K5114
>
>I'm not touting LV as the only retail source -
>but it's a good web site for comparison and info.

There is nothing wrong with LV. I've ordered from them occasionally.
BTW, if you have a problem with squoze toothpaste, LV has a really
slick (simple and works extremely well) toothpaste tube squeezer.
<https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/personal-accessories/mobility-aids/110501-tube-squeezer?item=45K1000>

My wife appreciated their stainless garden tools.

On 7/29/2022 5:47 PM, Larry Mehl wrote:
> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 8:46:38 AM UTC-7, Leon wrote:
>> On 7/29/2022 10:32 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 7:08:07 AM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
>>>>>> The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
>>>>>> What do you and other readers think of the
>>>>> Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.
>>>>>
>>>>> You said you wanted soft close and 14”. The DUR45B 20 is neither.
>>>>>
>>>> 100 lb. 14 inch not-soft-close $ 15.20 / pair. US $.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/114054-100-lb-slides-31j32-series-full-extension?item=02K7014
>>>>
>>>> What is your price for the K&V ?
>>>> John T.
>>>
>>> Is it just about price?
>>>
>>> The KV's, available from Amazon (and other sources) run ~$24, the Lee Valley's are ~$15. It sounds
>>> like the OP needs 4 pairs, so both would be above the free shipping point.
>>>
>>> $98 for the KV's vs $60 for the LV's, before tax
>>>
>>> I know the KV's, I don't know the LV's. They call them "our slides" but I doubt they actually
>>> make them, so tracking down the actual manufacturer might be difficult (might not be, I
>>> haven't tried.) Maybe I missed it, but I don't see any reviews of the LV slides on their website.
>>>
>>> Since it looks like both offer free shipping and free returns (I think) I'd probably buy both
>>> and compare them side by side.
>>>
>> WoodWorkers Hardware is a source for slides that I have used for decades.
>>
>> https://www.wwhardware.com/?_vsrefdom=adwords&gclid=Cj0KCQjwio6XBhCMARIsAC0u9aG6A0InEmwXO4IQ1HLvRaGdiiejFa_H-Xcz6hdkEjgzOPkSI5IQpQ4aAl0yEALw_wcB
>>
>> Along with Cornerstone hardware, a local distributor.
>>
>> https://www.cabinethardware.com/Default.asp
> Thanks. There is an Amazon dealer named Woodworkers Hardware.

Yes, and IIRC their web site is wwhardware.com

On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 9:50:00 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 23:49:14 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 18:52:06 -0400, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >
> >>On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 15:07:14 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
> >><slme...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:43:38 PM UTC-7, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >>>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:40:23 PM UTC-4, slme...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> > On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 5:42:49 AM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> >>>> > > On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
> >>>> > > <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > >On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 7:23:22 PM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> >>>> > > >> On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
> >>>> > > >> <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> > > >>
> >>>> > > >> >Hello --
> >>>> > > >> >Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider
> >>>> > > >> >for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?
> >>>> > > >> >The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain..
> >>>> > > >> >Thank you for any suggestions,
> >>>> > > >> >Larry Mehl
> >>>> > > >>
> >>>> > > >> Check out all the possibilities at Lee Valley -
> >>>> > > >> they have pretty good product descriptions and be sure to
> >>>> > > >> read the detailed info link .. " Care and Use " pdf
> >>>> > > >> for the dirty little details.
> >>>> > > >> Just an example here :
> >>>> > > >> https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235
> >>>> > > >> John T.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > >John T --
> >>>> > > >[In a message I now can't find, you listed some side-mount mfgrs names]
> >>>> > > >Thanks for the side-mount manufacturers names. That helps me.
> >>>> > > >I was first attracted to KV 8450FM Full Extension Soft Close. But ... probably overkill for drawers holding bedside stuff!
> >>>> > > >My bedside cabinets are yet to be built (not a retrofit).
> >>>> > > >Sliders will attach to the insides of the case (not a face frame situation).
> >>>> > > >The drawer boxes will be 1" smaller than the distance between the inside walls of each side.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > You don't state the depth ie: slide length ;
> >>>> > > If you're looking for side mount, ball bearing, self close,
> >>>> > > - these come in 14 or 16 inch at Lee Valley
> >>>> > > but other lengths in similar slides might be available elsewhere ?
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > This link is USA site < previous under-mount example was Canada >
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/112318-regular-extension-soft-closing-slides?item=02K4935
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > It says that side clearance must be :
> >>>> > > 1/2 inch + / - 1/32 / Zero
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > These are more than double the cost of the Blum slides.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > John T.
> >>>> > John --
> >>>> > Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
> >>>> > The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
> >>>> > What do you and other readers think of the Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.
> >>>> You said you wanted soft close and 14”. The DUR45B 20 is neither.
> >>>
> >>>I changed my mind ... I now don't think soft close is important for a bedside table/cabinet.
> >>
> >>I'd go for the little more money and do the soft-close for any
> >>furniture but in particular bedside tables. Sometimes I reach for the
> >>drawers while in bed. It would be nice if the drawers closed that
> >>last inch without being pushed. Just my preference.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Soft close doesn't need to cost very much more -
> > - does a person really need 100 lb. ball bearing slides
> >in a bedside drawer ?
> Given the total cost of the night stand, a few more bucks doesn't
> matter much. Just my opinion.
> > I'd give some consideration to these two examples :
> >
> >https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235
> >
> >https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/46580-european-kitchen-slides?item=02K5114
> >
> >I'm not touting LV as the only retail source -
> >but it's a good web site for comparison and info.
> There is nothing wrong with LV. I've ordered from them occasionally.
> BTW, if you have a problem with squoze toothpaste, LV has a really
> slick (simple and works extremely well) toothpaste tube squeezer.
> <https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/personal-accessories/mobility-aids/110501-tube-squeezer?item=45K1000>
>

Going *way* off topic here...

My dentist recommends brushing with Listerine Antiseptic or an equivalent antiseptic
mouthwash. Match the ingredients in Listerine Antiseptic as shown here. Easy to find.

https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/fda/fdaDrugXsl.cfm?setid=78e2e172-09a4-4bf1-9871-d099c49087be&type=display

2 years ago I was heading towards thousands of dollars of gum work. Bleeding, inflammation, etc.
My dentist said "Before we go down that path, let's try this first: Floss with a Waterpik before brushing,
then use an electric toothbrush dipped in Listerine Antiseptic or equivalent."

Now my hygienist says things like "Healthiest gums I've seen all day. Keep it up."

I'll never go back to toothpaste.

On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 12:46:26 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

>On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 9:50:00 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 23:49:14 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>
>> >On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 18:52:06 -0400, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 15:07:14 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
>> >><slme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:43:38 PM UTC-7, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> >>>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:40:23 PM UTC-4, slme...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>>> > On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 5:42:49 AM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>> >>>> > > On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
>> >>>> > > <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> > >
>> >>>> > > >On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 7:23:22 PM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>> >>>> > > >> On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
>> >>>> > > >> <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> > > >>
>> >>>> > > >> >Hello --
>> >>>> > > >> >Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider
>> >>>> > > >> >for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?
>> >>>> > > >> >The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.
>> >>>> > > >> >Thank you for any suggestions,
>> >>>> > > >> >Larry Mehl
>> >>>> > > >>
>> >>>> > > >> Check out all the possibilities at Lee Valley -
>> >>>> > > >> they have pretty good product descriptions and be sure to
>> >>>> > > >> read the detailed info link .. " Care and Use " pdf
>> >>>> > > >> for the dirty little details.
>> >>>> > > >> Just an example here :
>> >>>> > > >> https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235
>> >>>> > > >> John T.
>> >>>> > > >
>> >>>> > > >John T --
>> >>>> > > >[In a message I now can't find, you listed some side-mount mfgrs names]
>> >>>> > > >Thanks for the side-mount manufacturers names. That helps me.
>> >>>> > > >I was first attracted to KV 8450FM Full Extension Soft Close. But ... probably overkill for drawers holding bedside stuff!
>> >>>> > > >My bedside cabinets are yet to be built (not a retrofit).
>> >>>> > > >Sliders will attach to the insides of the case (not a face frame situation).
>> >>>> > > >The drawer boxes will be 1" smaller than the distance between the inside walls of each side.
>> >>>> > > >
>> >>>> > > You don't state the depth ie: slide length ;
>> >>>> > > If you're looking for side mount, ball bearing, self close,
>> >>>> > > - these come in 14 or 16 inch at Lee Valley
>> >>>> > > but other lengths in similar slides might be available elsewhere ?
>> >>>> > >
>> >>>> > > This link is USA site < previous under-mount example was Canada >
>> >>>> > >
>> >>>> > > https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/112318-regular-extension-soft-closing-slides?item=02K4935
>> >>>> > >
>> >>>> > > It says that side clearance must be :
>> >>>> > > 1/2 inch + / - 1/32 / Zero
>> >>>> > >
>> >>>> > > These are more than double the cost of the Blum slides.
>> >>>> > >
>> >>>> > > John T.
>> >>>> > John --
>> >>>> > Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
>> >>>> > The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
>> >>>> > What do you and other readers think of the Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.
>> >>>> You said you wanted soft close and 14”. The DUR45B 20 is neither.
>> >>>
>> >>>I changed my mind ... I now don't think soft close is important for a bedside table/cabinet.
>> >>
>> >>I'd go for the little more money and do the soft-close for any
>> >>furniture but in particular bedside tables. Sometimes I reach for the
>> >>drawers while in bed. It would be nice if the drawers closed that
>> >>last inch without being pushed. Just my preference.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Soft close doesn't need to cost very much more -
>> > - does a person really need 100 lb. ball bearing slides
>> >in a bedside drawer ?
>> Given the total cost of the night stand, a few more bucks doesn't
>> matter much. Just my opinion.
>> > I'd give some consideration to these two examples :
>> >
>> >https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235
>> >
>> >https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/46580-european-kitchen-slides?item=02K5114
>> >
>> >I'm not touting LV as the only retail source -
>> >but it's a good web site for comparison and info.
>> There is nothing wrong with LV. I've ordered from them occasionally.
>> BTW, if you have a problem with squoze toothpaste, LV has a really
>> slick (simple and works extremely well) toothpaste tube squeezer.
>> <https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/personal-accessories/mobility-aids/110501-tube-squeezer?item=45K1000>
>>
>
>Going *way* off topic here...
>
>My dentist recommends brushing with Listerine Antiseptic or an equivalent antiseptic
>mouthwash. Match the ingredients in Listerine Antiseptic as shown here. Easy to find.
>
>https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/fda/fdaDrugXsl.cfm?setid=78e2e172-09a4-4bf1-9871-d099c49087be&type=display
>
>2 years ago I was heading towards thousands of dollars of gum work. Bleeding, inflammation, etc.
>My dentist said "Before we go down that path, let's try this first: Floss with a Waterpik before brushing,
>then use an electric toothbrush dipped in Listerine Antiseptic or equivalent."
>
>Now my hygienist says things like "Healthiest gums I've seen all day. Keep it up."
>
>I'll never go back to toothpaste.

I use a waterpic, floss, toothbrush/paste, hydrogen peroxide, then an
alcohol based mouthwash (Walmart).

On 7/30/2022 2:46 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 9:50:00 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 23:49:14 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 18:52:06 -0400, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 15:07:14 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
>>>> <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:43:38 PM UTC-7, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:40:23 PM UTC-4, slme...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 5:42:49 AM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
>>>>>>>> <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 7:23:22 PM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
>>>>>>>>>> <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello --
>>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider
>>>>>>>>>>> for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?
>>>>>>>>>>> The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for any suggestions,
>>>>>>>>>>> Larry Mehl
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Check out all the possibilities at Lee Valley -
>>>>>>>>>> they have pretty good product descriptions and be sure to
>>>>>>>>>> read the detailed info link .. " Care and Use " pdf
>>>>>>>>>> for the dirty little details.
>>>>>>>>>> Just an example here :
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235
>>>>>>>>>> John T.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John T --
>>>>>>>>> [In a message I now can't find, you listed some side-mount mfgrs names]
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the side-mount manufacturers names. That helps me.
>>>>>>>>> I was first attracted to KV 8450FM Full Extension Soft Close. But ... probably overkill for drawers holding bedside stuff!
>>>>>>>>> My bedside cabinets are yet to be built (not a retrofit).
>>>>>>>>> Sliders will attach to the insides of the case (not a face frame situation).
>>>>>>>>> The drawer boxes will be 1" smaller than the distance between the inside walls of each side.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You don't state the depth ie: slide length ;
>>>>>>>> If you're looking for side mount, ball bearing, self close,
>>>>>>>> - these come in 14 or 16 inch at Lee Valley
>>>>>>>> but other lengths in similar slides might be available elsewhere ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This link is USA site < previous under-mount example was Canada >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/112318-regular-extension-soft-closing-slides?item=02K4935
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It says that side clearance must be :
>>>>>>>> 1/2 inch + / - 1/32 / Zero
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These are more than double the cost of the Blum slides.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John T.
>>>>>>> John --
>>>>>>> Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
>>>>>>> The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
>>>>>>> What do you and other readers think of the Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.
>>>>>> You said you wanted soft close and 14”. The DUR45B 20 is neither.
>>>>>
>>>>> I changed my mind ... I now don't think soft close is important for a bedside table/cabinet.
>>>>
>>>> I'd go for the little more money and do the soft-close for any
>>>> furniture but in particular bedside tables. Sometimes I reach for the
>>>> drawers while in bed. It would be nice if the drawers closed that
>>>> last inch without being pushed. Just my preference.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Soft close doesn't need to cost very much more -
>>> - does a person really need 100 lb. ball bearing slides
>>> in a bedside drawer ?
>> Given the total cost of the night stand, a few more bucks doesn't
>> matter much. Just my opinion.
>>> I'd give some consideration to these two examples :
>>>
>>> https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235
>>>
>>> https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/46580-european-kitchen-slides?item=02K5114
>>>
>>> I'm not touting LV as the only retail source -
>>> but it's a good web site for comparison and info.
>> There is nothing wrong with LV. I've ordered from them occasionally.
>> BTW, if you have a problem with squoze toothpaste, LV has a really
>> slick (simple and works extremely well) toothpaste tube squeezer.
>> <https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/personal-accessories/mobility-aids/110501-tube-squeezer?item=45K1000>
>>
>
> Going *way* off topic here...
>
> My dentist recommends brushing with Listerine Antiseptic or an equivalent antiseptic
> mouthwash. Match the ingredients in Listerine Antiseptic as shown here. Easy to find.
>
> https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/fda/fdaDrugXsl.cfm?setid=78e2e172-09a4-4bf1-9871-d099c49087be&type=display
>
> 2 years ago I was heading towards thousands of dollars of gum work. Bleeding, inflammation, etc.
> My dentist said "Before we go down that path, let's try this first: Floss with a Waterpik before brushing,
> then use an electric toothbrush dipped in Listerine Antiseptic or equivalent."
>
> Now my hygienist says things like "Healthiest gums I've seen all day. Keep it up."
>
> I'll never go back to toothpaste.
+

Actually tooth paste is just something to flavor the massage. I have
used a Brawn electric tooth brush for decades, no issues at the dentist.

On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 21:11:44 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 7/30/2022 2:46 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 9:50:00 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 23:49:14 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 18:52:06 -0400, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 15:07:14 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
>>>>> <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:43:38 PM UTC-7, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:40:23 PM UTC-4, slme...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 5:42:49 AM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
>>>>>>>>> <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 7:23:22 PM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
>>>>>>>>>>> <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider
>>>>>>>>>>>> for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?
>>>>>>>>>>>> The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for any suggestions,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Larry Mehl
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Check out all the possibilities at Lee Valley -
>>>>>>>>>>> they have pretty good product descriptions and be sure to
>>>>>>>>>>> read the detailed info link .. " Care and Use " pdf
>>>>>>>>>>> for the dirty little details.
>>>>>>>>>>> Just an example here :
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235
>>>>>>>>>>> John T.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> John T --
>>>>>>>>>> [In a message I now can't find, you listed some side-mount mfgrs names]
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the side-mount manufacturers names. That helps me.
>>>>>>>>>> I was first attracted to KV 8450FM Full Extension Soft Close. But ... probably overkill for drawers holding bedside stuff!
>>>>>>>>>> My bedside cabinets are yet to be built (not a retrofit).
>>>>>>>>>> Sliders will attach to the insides of the case (not a face frame situation).
>>>>>>>>>> The drawer boxes will be 1" smaller than the distance between the inside walls of each side.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You don't state the depth ie: slide length ;
>>>>>>>>> If you're looking for side mount, ball bearing, self close,
>>>>>>>>> - these come in 14 or 16 inch at Lee Valley
>>>>>>>>> but other lengths in similar slides might be available elsewhere ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This link is USA site < previous under-mount example was Canada >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/112318-regular-extension-soft-closing-slides?item=02K4935
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It says that side clearance must be :
>>>>>>>>> 1/2 inch + / - 1/32 / Zero
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> These are more than double the cost of the Blum slides.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John T.
>>>>>>>> John --
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
>>>>>>>> The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
>>>>>>>> What do you and other readers think of the Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.
>>>>>>> You said you wanted soft close and 14”. The DUR45B 20 is neither.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I changed my mind ... I now don't think soft close is important for a bedside table/cabinet.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd go for the little more money and do the soft-close for any
>>>>> furniture but in particular bedside tables. Sometimes I reach for the
>>>>> drawers while in bed. It would be nice if the drawers closed that
>>>>> last inch without being pushed. Just my preference.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Soft close doesn't need to cost very much more -
>>>> - does a person really need 100 lb. ball bearing slides
>>>> in a bedside drawer ?
>>> Given the total cost of the night stand, a few more bucks doesn't
>>> matter much. Just my opinion.
>>>> I'd give some consideration to these two examples :
>>>>
>>>> https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235
>>>>
>>>> https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/46580-european-kitchen-slides?item=02K5114
>>>>
>>>> I'm not touting LV as the only retail source -
>>>> but it's a good web site for comparison and info.
>>> There is nothing wrong with LV. I've ordered from them occasionally.
>>> BTW, if you have a problem with squoze toothpaste, LV has a really
>>> slick (simple and works extremely well) toothpaste tube squeezer.
>>> <https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/personal-accessories/mobility-aids/110501-tube-squeezer?item=45K1000>
>>>
>>
>> Going *way* off topic here...
>>
>> My dentist recommends brushing with Listerine Antiseptic or an equivalent antiseptic
>> mouthwash. Match the ingredients in Listerine Antiseptic as shown here. Easy to find.
>>
>> https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/fda/fdaDrugXsl.cfm?setid=78e2e172-09a4-4bf1-9871-d099c49087be&type=display
>>
>> 2 years ago I was heading towards thousands of dollars of gum work. Bleeding, inflammation, etc.
>> My dentist said "Before we go down that path, let's try this first: Floss with a Waterpik before brushing,
>> then use an electric toothbrush dipped in Listerine Antiseptic or equivalent."
>>
>> Now my hygienist says things like "Healthiest gums I've seen all day. Keep it up."
>>
>> I'll never go back to toothpaste.
>+
>
>Actually tooth paste is just something to flavor the massage. I have
>used a Brawn electric tooth brush for decades, no issues at the dentist.

There are also abrasives, fluoride, and detergents (to foam and keep
the fluoride clingy). Sweetness and flavors are added because the
other stuff isn't particularly tasty.