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The Telegraph

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 by: chorbalan - Sat, 18 Mar 2023 17:07 UTC

Ukrainian commander reveals true scale of losses – and pays the price

"He revealed that all of the original 500 soldiers in his unit had either
been killed or injured, a rare acknowledgement from inside the Ukrainian
ranks, where losses are kept strictly confidential."

“I get 100 new soldiers,” he said. “They don’t give me any time to prepare
them. They say, ‘Take them into the battle.’ They just drop everything and
run. That’s it."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-commander-revealed-true-scale-171152957.html

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 by: Nick - Sat, 18 Mar 2023 17:37 UTC

On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 17:07:06 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

> Ukrainian commander reveals true scale of losses – and pays the price

> "He revealed that all of the original 500 soldiers in his unit had
> either been killed or injured, a rare acknowledgement from inside the
> Ukrainian ranks, where losses are kept strictly confidential."

> “I get 100 new soldiers,” he said. “They don’t give me any time to
> prepare them. They say, ‘Take them into the battle.’ They just drop
> everything and run. That’s it."

> https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-commander-revealed-true-
scale-171152957.html

и ти ли, бруте :)

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 by: Радостина - Sat, 18 Mar 2023 17:50 UTC

On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 10:07:08 AM UTC-7, chorbalan wrote:
> Ukrainian commander reveals true scale of losses – and pays the price
>
> "He revealed that all of the original 500 soldiers in his unit had either
> been killed or injured, a rare acknowledgement from inside the Ukrainian
> ranks, where losses are kept strictly confidential."
>
> “I get 100 new soldiers,” he said. “They don’t give me any time to prepare
> them. They say, ‘Take them into the battle.’ They just drop everything and
> run. That’s it."
>
>
> https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-commander-revealed-true-scale-171152957.html
признавам, аз не разбирам от военни техники и стратегии, но от много места вече се чува, че Зеленски
праща деца и старци на фронта, които естествено нямат шанс. Руснаците в началото направиха
огромната грешка да мислят, че там хората ще ги посрещнат с хляб и сол.
Сега вече не правят тези грешки. Руснаците завземат ли Бахмут и Артьомовск, пътят към Киев е открит.

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 by: Nick - Sat, 18 Mar 2023 17:56 UTC

On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 10:50:23 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 10:07:08 AM UTC-7, chorbalan wrote:

>> Ukrainian commander reveals true scale of losses – and pays the price

>> "He revealed that all of the original 500 soldiers in his unit had
>> either been killed or injured, a rare acknowledgement from inside the
>> Ukrainian ranks, where losses are kept strictly confidential."

>> “I get 100 new soldiers,” he said. “They don’t give me any time to
>> prepare them. They say, ‘Take them into the battle.’ They just drop
>> everything and run. That’s it."

>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-commander-revealed-true-
scale-171152957.html

> признавам, аз не разбирам от военни техники и стратегии, но от много
> места вече се чува, че Зеленски праща деца и старци на фронта, които
> естествено нямат шанс. Руснаците в началото направиха огромната грешка
> да мислят, че там хората ще ги посрещнат с хляб и сол.

тези места имат ли импакт фактор? и може ли да им се вярва?

> Сега вече не правят тези грешки. Руснаците завземат ли Бахмут и
> Артьомовск, пътят към Киев е открит.

joj, бахмут и артьомовск са един и същи град :)

а въпросът е дали на руснаците им трябва киев?

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 by: Радостина - Sat, 18 Mar 2023 18:51 UTC

On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 10:56:59 AM UTC-7, Nick wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 10:50:23 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 10:07:08 AM UTC-7, chorbalan wrote:
>
> >> Ukrainian commander reveals true scale of losses – and pays the price
>
> >> "He revealed that all of the original 500 soldiers in his unit had
> >> either been killed or injured, a rare acknowledgement from inside the
> >> Ukrainian ranks, where losses are kept strictly confidential."
>
> >> “I get 100 new soldiers,” he said. “They don’t give me any time to
> >> prepare them. They say, ‘Take them into the battle.’ They just drop
> >> everything and run. That’s it."
>
> >> https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-commander-revealed-true-
> scale-171152957.html
>
> > признавам, аз не разбирам от военни техники и стратегии, но от много
> > места вече се чува, че Зеленски праща деца и старци на фронта, които
> > естествено нямат шанс. Руснаците в началото направиха огромната грешка
> > да мислят, че там хората ще ги посрещнат с хляб и сол.
> тези места имат ли импакт фактор? и може ли да им се вярва?
> > Сега вече не правят тези грешки. Руснаците завземат ли Бахмут и
> > Артьомовск, пътят към Киев е открит.
> joj, бахмут и артьомовск са един и същи град :)

всички статии, които чета ги разделят. Не знам защо.
Може би и американците не са наясно. :)

> а въпросът е дали на руснаците им трябва киев?

с уговорката отново че не разбирам от военни стратегии, мисля, че да.

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 by: Nick - Sat, 18 Mar 2023 19:02 UTC

On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 11:51:33 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 10:56:59 AM UTC-7, Nick wrote:

>> On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 10:50:23 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

>> > On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 10:07:08 AM UTC-7, chorbalan wrote:

>> >> Ukrainian commander reveals true scale of losses – and pays the
>> >> price

>> >> "He revealed that all of the original 500 soldiers in his unit had
>> >> either been killed or injured, a rare acknowledgement from inside
>> >> the Ukrainian ranks, where losses are kept strictly confidential."

>> >> “I get 100 new soldiers,” he said. “They don’t give me any time to
>> >> prepare them. They say, ‘Take them into the battle.’ They just drop
>> >> everything and run. That’s it."

>> >> https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-commander-revealed-true-
>> scale-171152957.html

>> > признавам, аз не разбирам от военни техники и стратегии, но от много
>> > места вече се чува, че Зеленски праща деца и старци на фронта, които
>> > естествено нямат шанс. Руснаците в началото направиха огромната
>> > грешка да мислят, че там хората ще ги посрещнат с хляб и сол.

>> тези места имат ли импакт фактор? и може ли да им се вярва?

>> > Сега вече не правят тези грешки. Руснаците завземат ли Бахмут и
>> > Артьомовск, пътят към Киев е открит.

>> joj, бахмут и артьомовск са един и същи град :)

> всички статии, които чета ги разделят. Не знам защо.
> Може би и американците не са наясно. :)

е как да им вярваш тогава 8-)

>> а въпросът е дали на руснаците им трябва киев?

> с уговорката отново че не разбирам от военни стратегии, мисля, че да.

за какво?

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 by: Радостина - Sat, 18 Mar 2023 19:44 UTC

On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 12:02:04 PM UTC-7, Nick wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 11:51:33 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

> >> а въпросът е дали на руснаците им трябва киев?
>
> > с уговорката отново че не разбирам от военни стратегии, мисля, че да.
> за какво?

Защото е руски :-)))

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 by: Nick - Sat, 18 Mar 2023 20:00 UTC

On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 12:44:18 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 12:02:04 PM UTC-7, Nick wrote:

>> On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 11:51:33 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

>> >> а въпросът е дали на руснаците им трябва киев?

>> > с уговорката отново че не разбирам от военни стратегии, мисля, че да.
>> за какво?

> Защото е руски :-)))

ако им трябваше, защо не го взеха миналата пролет?

--
«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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 by: Ivaylo Ivanov - Sat, 18 Mar 2023 21:45 UTC

On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 1:07:08 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:
> Ukrainian commander reveals true scale of losses – and pays the price
>
> "He revealed that all of the original 500 soldiers in his unit had either
> been killed or injured, a rare acknowledgement from inside the Ukrainian
> ranks, where losses are kept strictly confidential."

Toчния цитат е:
"Из 500 бойцов первого состава погибли 100, ранены почти 400."
Не намирам нищо странно в цялата история (предвид ситуацията около Бахмут).
>
> “I get 100 new soldiers,” he said. “They don’t give me any time to prepare
> them. They say, ‘Take them into the battle.’ They just drop everything and
> run. That’s it."
>
>
> https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-commander-revealed-true-scale-171152957.html

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 by: Ivaylo Ivanov - Sat, 18 Mar 2023 22:01 UTC

On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 1:50:24 PM UTC-4, Радостина wrote:
> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 10:07:08 AM UTC-7, chorbalan wrote:
> > Ukrainian commander reveals true scale of losses – and pays the price
> >
> > "He revealed that all of the original 500 soldiers in his unit had either
> > been killed or injured, a rare acknowledgement from inside the Ukrainian
> > ranks, where losses are kept strictly confidential."
> >
> > “I get 100 new soldiers,” he said. “They don’t give me any time to prepare
> > them. They say, ‘Take them into the battle.’ They just drop everything and
> > run. That’s it."
> >
> >
> > https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-commander-revealed-true-scale-171152957.html
> признавам, аз не разбирам от военни техники и стратегии, но от много места вече се чува, че Зеленски
> праща деца и старци на фронта, които естествено нямат шанс. Руснаците в началото направиха
> огромната грешка да мислят, че там хората ще ги посрещнат с хляб и сол.
> Сега вече не правят тези грешки. Руснаците завземат ли Бахмут и Артьомовск,

Когато Мохамед Али бие Касиус Клей и става световен шампион.

> пътят към Киев е открит.

Много скромно. Защо не пътя към Ламанша?

Между другото, Бахмут ще падне до две седмици. Кога да очакваме руснаците в Киев?

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 by: Ivaylo Ivanov - Sat, 18 Mar 2023 22:03 UTC

On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 2:51:34 PM UTC-4, Радостина wrote:
> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 10:56:59 AM UTC-7, Nick wrote:
> > On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 10:50:23 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:
> >
> > > On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 10:07:08 AM UTC-7, chorbalan wrote:
> >
> > >> Ukrainian commander reveals true scale of losses – and pays the price
> >
> > >> "He revealed that all of the original 500 soldiers in his unit had
> > >> either been killed or injured, a rare acknowledgement from inside the
> > >> Ukrainian ranks, where losses are kept strictly confidential."
> >
> > >> “I get 100 new soldiers,” he said. “They don’t give me any time to
> > >> prepare them. They say, ‘Take them into the battle.’ They just drop
> > >> everything and run. That’s it."
> >
> > >> https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-commander-revealed-true-
> > scale-171152957.html
> >
> > > признавам, аз не разбирам от военни техники и стратегии, но от много
> > > места вече се чува, че Зеленски праща деца и старци на фронта, които
> > > естествено нямат шанс. Руснаците в началото направиха огромната грешка
> > > да мислят, че там хората ще ги посрещнат с хляб и сол.
> > тези места имат ли импакт фактор? и може ли да им се вярва?
> > > Сега вече не правят тези грешки. Руснаците завземат ли Бахмут и
> > > Артьомовск, пътят към Киев е открит.
> > joj, бахмут и артьомовск са един и същи град :)
> всички статии, които чета ги разделят. Не знам защо.
> Може би и американците не са наясно. :)

Може би четеш немалко руска пропаганда (където града винаги е даден със съветското му име).

> > а въпросът е дали на руснаците им трябва киев?
> с уговорката отново че не разбирам от военни стратегии, мисля, че да.

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"The leak on casualty numbers will be deeply embarrassing for the Ukrainian
military which has diligently built up a narrative of its outnumbered but
highly motivated and well-trained army taking on hordes of Russian soldiers
and convicts."

Мисля че ти беше лапнал тази риба, но Бисмарк, който бях цитирал, се оказва
прав и този път( "най-много се лъже преди на избори, по време на война и след лов" )

Другата партенка дето беше налапал е че отиват да се бият мерак, а ето как било:

"They just drop everything and run. That’s it. Do you understand why? Because
the soldier doesn’t shoot. I ask him why, and he says, ‘I’m afraid of the sound
of the shot.’"

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 by: Ivaylo Ivanov - Sun, 19 Mar 2023 01:14 UTC

On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 6:42:12 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:
> "The leak on casualty numbers will be deeply embarrassing for the Ukrainian
> military which has diligently built up a narrative of its outnumbered but
> highly motivated and well-trained army taking on hordes of Russian soldiers
> and convicts."
>
> Мисля че ти беше лапнал тази риба

Коя риба?

>, но Бисмарк, който бях цитирал, се оказва
> прав и този път( "най-много се лъже преди на избори, по време на война и след лов" )
>
>
> Другата партенка дето беше налапал е че отиват да се бият мерак, а ето как било:
>
> "They just drop everything and run. That’s it. Do you understand why? Because
> the soldier doesn’t shoot. I ask him why, and he says, ‘I’m afraid of the sound
> of the shot.’"

Що за олигофрения е това?? Кога и къде съм казавал, че _всички_ "отиват да се бият [с] мерак",
особено ако говорим за недостатъчно калени и обучени войници хвърлени в най-горещата
точка на войната? Между другото от другата страна едва ли е много по-различно в Бахмут.
И двете страни дават гигантски жертви за малко градче без особени голяма стратегическа
стойност, долкото мога да преценя. За украинците защитата на Бахмут имаше смисъл някъде
до 25 февруари. След това упорството им там ми е необяснимо.

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 by: Ivaylo Ivanov - Sun, 19 Mar 2023 01:50 UTC

On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 1:07:08 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:
> Ukrainian commander reveals true scale of losses – and pays the price
>
> "He revealed that all of the original 500 soldiers in his unit had either
> been killed or injured, a rare acknowledgement from inside the Ukrainian
> ranks, where losses are kept strictly confidential."
>
> “I get 100 new soldiers,” he said. “They don’t give me any time to prepare
> them. They say, ‘Take them into the battle.’ They just drop everything and
> run. That’s it."
>
>
> https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-commander-revealed-true-scale-171152957.html

Като казахме The Telegraph

"Siberia is up for grabs as Putin becomes China's vassal"

"By 2049, Xi says, China will have become the dominant world power, once more enjoying the superior military,
economic, political and cultural status"

"It also raises the question of what these expedient allies hope to achieve in tandem when their aims and capabilities are so different."

"Ultimately, Xi Jinping needs only energy from Putin. Even though Beijing can bargain the price down, they will be buying
such vast quantities that Russian dependency on their market is assured, and the asymmetric relationship maintained"

"Russia needs China more than vice versa, and Beijing will turn this to the best advantage it can"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/siberia-is-up-for-grabs-as-putin-becomes-china-s-vassal/ar-AA18Mg40

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On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 18:14:40 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

> Между другото от другата страна едва ли е много по-различно в Бахмут.

Със сигурност не е, все съветски хора, как ще е иначе.
Ти мисля пробутваше обратното мнение или съм се излъгал?

> И двете страни дават гигантски жертви за малко градче без особени голяма
> стратегическа стойност, долкото мога да преценя. За украинците защитата
> на Бахмут имаше смисъл някъде до 25 февруари.

Това аз и ти едва ли можем да преценим. Ти май имаш някакви илюзии
но истинаме е че не знаем защо го искат толкова много.

> След това упорството им там ми е необяснимо.

Птицата би казала че където има хаос се краде най-много, а то къде има
по-голям в момента?

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On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 18:50:41 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

>
> Като казахме The Telegraph
>
> "Siberia is up for grabs as Putin becomes China's vassal"

Ми както САЩ - ще почнат да налитат емигранти-специалисти, също и незаконни,
ще станат много, що почнат да натискат за права, Китай ще ги подкрепя и т.н.

> "By 2049, Xi says, China will have become the dominant world power, once
> more enjoying the superior military, economic, political and cultural status"

Западът вмесо да се дърля с Русия за една Украйна най-добре да си отвори
очите за това, щото Китай е една натраплива култура, нещо като fire ants
и killer bees - където отидат друго не търпят. Откак съм в САЩ си спомням
за 4 случая на голям индустриален шпионаж/кражба и във всичките без
изключение предателят беше китаец.

> "It also raises the question of what these expedient allies hope to achieve in tandem when their aims and capabilities are so different."
>
> "Ultimately, Xi Jinping needs only energy from Putin. Even though Beijing can bargain the price down, they will be buying
> such vast quantities that Russian dependency on their market is assured, and the asymmetric relationship maintained"
>
> "Russia needs China more than vice versa, and Beijing will turn this to the best advantage it can"

Всеки би направил така.
От години е ясно какво цели Китай и вместо да го възпрепятвтват те се
задърляха с Русия и оставиха Китай да расте на воля.

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 by: Радостина - Sun, 19 Mar 2023 02:39 UTC

On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 3:03:10 PM UTC-7, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:
> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 2:51:34 PM UTC-4, Радостина wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 10:56:59 AM UTC-7, Nick wrote:
> > > On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 10:50:23 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 10:07:08 AM UTC-7, chorbalan wrote:
> > >
> > > >> Ukrainian commander reveals true scale of losses – and pays the price
> > >
> > > >> "He revealed that all of the original 500 soldiers in his unit had
> > > >> either been killed or injured, a rare acknowledgement from inside the
> > > >> Ukrainian ranks, where losses are kept strictly confidential."
> > >
> > > >> “I get 100 new soldiers,” he said. “They don’t give me any time to
> > > >> prepare them. They say, ‘Take them into the battle.’ They just drop
> > > >> everything and run. That’s it."
> > >
> > > >> https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-commander-revealed-true-
> > > scale-171152957.html
> > >
> > > > признавам, аз не разбирам от военни техники и стратегии, но от много
> > > > места вече се чува, че Зеленски праща деца и старци на фронта, които
> > > > естествено нямат шанс. Руснаците в началото направиха огромната грешка
> > > > да мислят, че там хората ще ги посрещнат с хляб и сол.
> > > тези места имат ли импакт фактор? и може ли да им се вярва?
> > > > Сега вече не правят тези грешки. Руснаците завземат ли Бахмут и
> > > > Артьомовск, пътят към Киев е открит.
> > > joj, бахмут и артьомовск са един и същи град :)
> > всички статии, които чета ги разделят. Не знам защо.
> > Може би и американците не са наясно. :)
> Може би четеш немалко руска пропаганда (където града винаги е даден със съветското му име).

не, американска :-)

> > > а въпросът е дали на руснаците им трябва киев?
> > с уговорката отново че не разбирам от военни стратегии, мисля, че да.

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On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 7:06:18 PM UTC-7, chorbalan wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 18:50:41 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:
>
> >
> > Като казахме The Telegraph
> >
> > "Siberia is up for grabs as Putin becomes China's vassal"
> Ми както САЩ - ще почнат да налитат емигранти-специалисти, също и незаконни,
> ще станат много, що почнат да натискат за права, Китай ще ги подкрепя и т.н.
> > "By 2049, Xi says, China will have become the dominant world power, once
> > more enjoying the superior military, economic, political and cultural status"
> Западът вмесо да се дърля с Русия за една Украйна най-добре да си отвори
> очите за това, щото Китай е една натраплива култура, нещо като fire ants
> и killer bees - където отидат друго не търпят. Откак съм в САЩ си спомням
> за 4 случая на голям индустриален шпионаж/кражба и във всичките без
> изключение предателят беше китаец.

Тръмп в предизборните си речи се кълне да спре китайците и да не им позволи никакво влипние тук.
Мисля, че малко късно се е сетил :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIom8XP_x0c

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On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 10:06:18 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 18:50:41 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:
>
> >
> > Като казахме The Telegraph
> >
> > "Siberia is up for grabs as Putin becomes China's vassal"
> Ми както САЩ - ще почнат да налитат емигранти-специалисти, също и незаконни,
> ще станат много, що почнат да натискат за права, Китай ще ги подкрепя и т.н.
> > "By 2049, Xi says, China will have become the dominant world power, once
> > more enjoying the superior military, economic, political and cultural status"
> Западът вмесо да се дърля с Русия за една Украйна най-добре да си отвори
> очите за това, щото Китай е една натраплива култура, нещо като fire ants
> и killer bees - където отидат друго не търпят.

Русия не е ли? Как според теб е станала най-голямата държава в света?

> Откак съм в САЩ си спомням
> за 4 случая на голям индустриален шпионаж/кражба и във всичките без
> изключение предателят беше китаец.
> > "It also raises the question of what these expedient allies hope to achieve in tandem when their aims and capabilities are so different."
> >
> > "Ultimately, Xi Jinping needs only energy from Putin. Even though Beijing can bargain the price down, they will be buying
> > such vast quantities that Russian dependency on their market is assured, and the asymmetric relationship maintained"
> >
> > "Russia needs China more than vice versa, and Beijing will turn this to the best advantage it can"
> Всеки би направил така.
> От години е ясно какво цели Китай и вместо да го възпрепятвтват те се
> задърляха с Русия и оставиха Китай да расте на воля.

Русия и Китай стигнаха своя апогей през 2021 (Русия навярно още през 2014). Оттук натаък проблемите с тях ще се
свързани предимно с техния упадък. Причините са различни. Общия знаменател е естествения таван на диктаториските режими.
Икономическите проблеми на Китай са от такова естество, че са нерешими без финансов и социален катаклизъм. То не че
тук сме цъфнали и вързали, но там проблемите са в степени по-големи.

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 by: Ivaylo Ivanov - Sun, 19 Mar 2023 04:41 UTC

On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 10:39:04 PM UTC-4, Радостина wrote:
> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 3:03:10 PM UTC-7, Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 2:51:34 PM UTC-4, Радостина wrote:
> > > On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 10:56:59 AM UTC-7, Nick wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 10:50:23 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 10:07:08 AM UTC-7, chorbalan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >> Ukrainian commander reveals true scale of losses – and pays the price
> > > >
> > > > >> "He revealed that all of the original 500 soldiers in his unit had
> > > > >> either been killed or injured, a rare acknowledgement from inside the
> > > > >> Ukrainian ranks, where losses are kept strictly confidential."
> > > >
> > > > >> “I get 100 new soldiers,” he said. “They don’t give me any time to
> > > > >> prepare them. They say, ‘Take them into the battle.’ They just drop
> > > > >> everything and run. That’s it."
> > > >
> > > > >> https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-commander-revealed-true-
> > > > scale-171152957.html
> > > >
> > > > > признавам, аз не разбирам от военни техники и стратегии, но от много
> > > > > места вече се чува, че Зеленски праща деца и старци на фронта, които
> > > > > естествено нямат шанс. Руснаците в началото направиха огромната грешка
> > > > > да мислят, че там хората ще ги посрещнат с хляб и сол.
> > > > тези места имат ли импакт фактор? и може ли да им се вярва?
> > > > > Сега вече не правят тези грешки. Руснаците завземат ли Бахмут и
> > > > > Артьомовск, пътят към Киев е открит.
> > > > joj, бахмут и артьомовск са един и същи град :)
> > > всички статии, които чета ги разделят. Не знам защо.
> > > Може би и американците не са наясно. :)
> > Може би четеш немалко руска пропаганда (където града винаги е даден със съветското му име).
> не, американска :-)

А дали наистина е американска (или руска преструваща се на американска)? До този момент _никога_
не съм виждал Бахмут да е наречен Артьомоск в американски източник (освен когато цитират
изказване на руски субект и след това слагат Бахмут в скоби). Дай пример.

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 by: Ivaylo Ivanov - Sun, 19 Mar 2023 04:47 UTC

On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 9:55:09 PM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 18:14:40 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:
>
> > Между другото от другата страна едва ли е много по-различно в Бахмут.
> Със сигурност не е, все съветски хора, как ще е иначе.
> Ти мисля пробутваше обратното мнение или съм се излъгал?

Навярно си се излъгал. Загубите на руснаците са малко по-високи (по мои преценти в съотношение 5:4)
предимно защото водят нападателни операции. Вече бях написал, че загубите и на двете страни са
много високи (не само в Бахмут).

> > И двете страни дават гигантски жертви за малко градче без особени голяма
> > стратегическа стойност, долкото мога да преценя. За украинците защитата
> > на Бахмут имаше смисъл някъде до 25 февруари.
> Това аз и ти едва ли можем да преценим. Ти май имаш някакви илюзии
> но истинаме е че не знаем защо го искат толкова много.

И аз това казвам.

> > След това упорството им там ми е необяснимо.
> Птицата би казала че където има хаос се краде най-много, а то къде има
> по-голям в момента?

Едва ли е това.

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On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 21:37:57 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

>> Западът вмесо да се дърля с Русия за една Украйна най-добре да си отвори
>> очите за това, щото Китай е една натраплива култура, нещо като fire
>> ants и killer bees - където отидат друго не търпят.
>
> Русия не е ли? Как според теб е станала най-голямата държава в света?

Най-голямата беше UK.
А Русия отива в Азия, в Сибир, където е било на практика празно и половината
им територия е било това.

> Икономическите проблеми на Китай са от такова естество, че са нерешими без
> финансов и социален катаклизъм. То не че тук сме цъфнали и вързали, но там
> проблемите са в степени по-големи.

Ми дано, само да не се отрази и на нас много..

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On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 07:12:49 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:

> А Русия отива в Азия, в Сибир, където е било на практика празно и
> половината им територия е било това.

там и сега е празно.

и не виждам как китайци ще се заселят там. те не са като монголците.

--
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 07:16:48 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 07:12:49 -0000 (UTC), chorbalan wrote:
>
>> А Русия отива в Азия, в Сибир, където е било на практика празно и
>> половината им територия е било това.
>
> там и сега е празно.
>
> и не виждам как китайци ще се заселят там. те не са като монголците.

Лесно. То и сега там е пълно с всякакви китайски бракониери,
а и с нелегални които търсят там полезни изкопаеми.

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 by: Ivaylo Ivanov - Sun, 19 Mar 2023 16:28 UTC

On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 3:12:50 AM UTC-4, chorbalan wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 21:37:57 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:
>
> >> Западът вмесо да се дърля с Русия за една Украйна най-добре да си отвори
> >> очите за това, щото Китай е една натраплива култура, нещо като fire
> >> ants и killer bees - където отидат друго не търпят.
> >
> > Русия не е ли? Как според теб е станала най-голямата държава в света?
> Най-голямата беше UK.

Беше. Днес територията на UK е колко две Българии.

> А Русия отива в Азия, в Сибир, където е било на практика празно и половината
> им територия е било това.

Празно, празно, но след стотици години на асимилация 30% от населението на
РФ не са етинически руснаци.

> > Икономическите проблеми на Китай са от такова естество, че са нерешими без
> > финансов и социален катаклизъм. То не че тук сме цъфнали и вързали, но там
> > проблемите са в степени по-големи.
> Ми дано, само да не се отрази и на нас много..

Ефекта от тези събития няма как да не се отрази по целия свят.

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