dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote

>>>>> My reasonable conclusion was a "proposition of power which is
>>>>> asserted by a larger population having a prevalence of a sexual
>>>>> disease"

>>>> Try that again in english, even google translate doesnt do
>>>> gobbledegook yet.

>>> Which word beyond "is" was too difficult for you?

>> The entire sentence is a steaming meaningless turd.

> Me thinks that you also have a "Let them eat cake" attitude

Not a schred of evidence that you are actually
capable of rational thought, or even being able
to bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

> which means "shows insensitivity to or incomprehensionof the realities
> of life for the unfortunate."

More of your utterly mindless bullshit.

> A bourgeois mindset relative to the impoverished

More of your utterly mindless bullshit.

(ie. sexual promiscuity

That has nothing to do with the impoverished and
in fact those that fuck like rabbits like Randy Andy
are nothing even remotely like the impoverished.

> and sexual disease was more likely the product of being poor)

Or being able to pay for prostitutes or
having servants available to be fucked.

> larger population...

In Ireland the larger population was actually the
RESULT of fucking like rabbits. In Africa too.

>>>>> is a natural intuition drawn from the historical context itself.
>>
>>>> Ditto.
>>
>>>>> Which then doesn't need a coerced justification of gender based
>>>>> political
>>>>> diatribe.
>>
>>>> You wouldn't know what a gender based political diatribe was if it
>>>> bit you on your lard arse.
>>
>>>>> It's much like asking if Boris was teleported to 18 century London
>>>>> would he
>>>>> have girded loins and be of sound mind since he has a "Let them eat
>>>>> cake"
>>>>> attitude...
>>
>>>> Bullshit he has.
>>
>>> I cannot ignore this wilful stupidity since here is evidence that
>>> Boris has a "Let them eat cake" attitude:
>> Bullshit he has.
>>
>>> "Prime Minister Boris Johnson pictured holding up a birthday cake as
>>> he visits Bovingdon Primary Academy in Hertfordshire, a few hours
>>> before he received another cake back in London"
>>>
>>> <https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/15D22/production/_122987398_50022889771_54db72f28e_c.jpg>
>>> ACTUAL NEWS ARTICLE:
>>>
>>> <https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60121572>
>> Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
>>
>>>>> YOUTUBE: "Let Them Eat Cake - The Pox"
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://youtu.be/5yWJKi0UOwQ>
>>
>>>> Just because some fool claims something...
>>
>>>>> dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I don't need to reply further because you ignored the historical
>>>>>>> context of
>>>>>>> a Syphilis pandemic would obviously have such a reasoned cause as
>>>>>>> probably known to Freud ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And I won't pander to your narcissistic self justification--you
>>>>>>> were in
>>>>>>> error.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I posited that the "Victorian sexual morality" was a response to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> historical reality that reasonably some 60 - 80% of Londoners
>>>>>>> within the
>>>>>>> 18th century might have a sexually transmitted disease.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And we know from Captain Cook's travel diaries that there wasn't
>>>>>> sufficient
>>>>>> medical supplies on the ship to treat the rampant sexual diseases
>>>>>> amongst
>>>>>> the sailors and throughout the pacific islands who prostituted even
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> wives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That was the basis of my claim a "vagina with teeth" is a
>>>>>>> proposition of
>>>>>>> power which is asserted by a larger population having a prevalence
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> disease
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>> dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Surely Sigmund Freud was a student of history
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It might be more correct to suggest that the VICTORIAN(20 June
>>>>>>>>> 1837 –
>>>>>>>>> 22 Jan 1901) era attitudes are a responseto the sexual disease
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> deprivations of the age prior.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not really. Just read
>>>>>>>> Lock, Joan. Scotland Yard Casebook (p. 204). Lume Books.
>>>>>>>> Interesting that quite a few of the toffs were into quite
>>>>>>>> literally
>>>>>>>> whipping and torturing children in organised events. Hard
>>>>>>>> to see that that could be due to the sexual disease and
>>>>>>>> deprivations of the age prior.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If one in five persons within London had Syphilis and a far
>>>>>>>>> greater
>>>>>>>>> number had gonorrhea or chlamydia then it is reasonable to
>>>>>>>>> concludethat
>>>>>>>>> between 3 / 5th (60%) to 4 / 5th (80%) percent of the population
>>>>>>>>> possessed a long term venereal disease and such professional
>>>>>>>>> knowledge
>>>>>>>>> would no doubt have permeated amongst the intelligentsia as to
>>>>>>>>> view a
>>>>>>>>> "more rigorous form of Victorian sexual morality than England"
>>>>>>>>> as being
>>>>>>>>> prudent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The reality is that Victorian sexual morality
>>>>>>>> was much more just a fascade than reality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Freud lived and worked in Vienna, having set up his clinical
>>>>>>>>> practice
>>>>>>>>> there in 1886. In 1938, Freud left Austria to escape Nazi
>>>>>>>>> persecution.
>>>>>>>>> He died in exile in the United Kingdom in 1939--It is not for me
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> extrapolate or research whether his association with the UK was
>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>> 1938 entirely non-existent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But it is clear from his biographys that before 1938 entirely
>>>>>>>> non-existent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> His Five Lectures on Psychoanalysis and Civilization and its
>>>>>>>>> Discontents
>>>>>>>>> belong to two distinct phases of Freud’s thought—a thought which
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> always changing, expanding, and being revised , and which has as
>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>> discontinuities as continuities. Both texts rest written from
>>>>>>>>> Freud’s
>>>>>>>>> basic psychoanalytic perspective; each reflects the general
>>>>>>>>> *historical*, philosophical, and scientific movements in which
>>>>>>>>> Freud
>>>>>>>>> found himself when he developed psychoanalysis.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Freud’s Austria of the second half of the nineteenth century was
>>>>>>>>> characterized by an even more rigorous form of Victorian sexual
>>>>>>>>> morality
>>>>>>>>> than England, whose sexual delicacy and frigidity is often
>>>>>>>>> caricatured.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even that isn't clear at all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This rigorous sexual morality did not, however,prevent
>>>>>>>>> Victorians from
>>>>>>>>> speaking about sexuality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And doing it with children in spades.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The large, urban, professional middle class—the bourgeoisie—had
>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>> intense moral preoccupation with sexuality, particularly in
>>>>>>>>> women and
>>>>>>>>> children. Their sexual interests, and sexual knowledge, were
>>>>>>>>> understood
>>>>>>>>> to be naturally limited; however, in the case of exceptions, this
>>>>>>>>> interest and knowledge were carefully regulated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not really.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Young women were expected to be chaste before marriage;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nothing unusual about that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and the private sexual experimentation of children and
>>>>>>>>> adolescents—for
>>>>>>>>> example, masturbation—were assiduously suppressed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thats bullshit with the dregs of their society.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Additionally, a *growing* *knowledge* *of* *sexual* *diseases*,
>>>>>>>>> *like*
>>>>>>>>> *syphilis*, created, in the public mind, an association between
>>>>>>>>> *sexual*
>>>>>>>>> *promiscuity* *and* *catastrophic* *epidemics*. Sexuality not
>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>> needed to be regulatedby personal morality, or by the vigilance
>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>> family, but, since it could affect entire populations, was a
>>>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>>>> and social concern.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But the reality is that raping of children and servants was rife.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At the same time the nascent field of sexology was developing. A
>>>>>>>>> number
>>>>>>>>> of medical researchers, like Havelock Ellis and Richard von
>>>>>>>>> Krafft-Ebing—whom Feud knew and who publicly commented on one of
>>>>>>>>> Freud’s
>>>>>>>>> earliest papers—gave detailed and meticulous accounts of the
>>>>>>>>> forms and
>>>>>>>>> varieties of sexual behaviors and identities, regardless of
>>>>>>>>> their rarity
>>>>>>>>> or apparent perversity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And with Ellis, showed that it was nothing even remotely like
>>>>>>>> rare.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They also tried to connect facts about sexuality to other facts,
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>> had no self-evident relationship to sexuality; they asked, for
>>>>>>>>> example,
>>>>>>>>> how sexuality relates to class,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was well known that the dregs fucked like rabbits and
>>>>>>>> that abortion was rife.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> or how sexuality relates to criminality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thats more complicated given that what was illegal changed so
>>>>>>>> much.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The late nineteenth century was, therefore, characterized by an
>>>>>>>>> interesting constellation of trends: a personal, familial, and
>>>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>>>> regulation of sexuality, on the one hand, and a proliferation of
>>>>>>>>> scientific writing which showed how that problematic sexuality
>>>>>>>>> nevertheless had a secure and extensive place in human nature,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Corse it did.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> on the other hand. This constellation served as an auspicious
>>>>>>>>> context
>>>>>>>>> for Freud to develop his theories. Freud described how all kinds
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> unusual, or “perverse,” sexual desires dominate the mind—in
>>>>>>>>> children, in
>>>>>>>>> neurotic adults, but also in normal adults. Freud also showed
>>>>>>>>> how the
>>>>>>>>> mind finds itself in an irrevocable conflict with its own
>>>>>>>>> sexuality: how
>>>>>>>>> it fears its sexuality, and tries to avoid and eliminate it, or,
>>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>>> importantly, how it tries to forget it, or remove it from
>>>>>>>>> conscious
>>>>>>>>> awareness.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thats silly with the dregs of society that just got on with
>>>>>>>> fucking like
>>>>>>>> rabbits.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For Freud, this meant that unusual, “perverse” sexuality had a
>>>>>>>>> peculiar
>>>>>>>>> fate. Regulated by morality, removed from conscious awareness,
>>>>>>>>> but still
>>>>>>>>> very much extant, it became “unconscious”: no longer under the
>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>> of a person’s self-conscious and voluntary choices, it
>>>>>>>>> manifested in a
>>>>>>>>> person’s involuntary actions, like mistakes and slips of the
>>>>>>>>> tongues, as
>>>>>>>>> well as in mental pathologies, like obsession, paranoia,
>>>>>>>>> hysteria, and
>>>>>>>>> anxiety.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is all just another mindless wank.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.college.columbia.edu/core/content/writings-sigmund-freud/context>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>