On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 1:39:04 AM UTC-5, Brad Verity wrote:
> Hello, I’m currently exploring the ancestry of Frances Bartholomew (1775-1827), the first wife of Hon. John Wingfield-Stratford of Addington Place, Kent (1772-1850), 2nd son of the 3rd Viscount Powerscourt, to trace all Edward I descents for her. Frances can be found in the Genealogics database, here:
> https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00224441&tree=LEO
>
> From ‘Record of the Bartholomew Family’ Part 2 (1885) by George Wells Bartholomew, Frances’s paternal ancestor, Leonard Bartholomew (1655-1720) “married Elizabeth, daughter of Humphrey Miller of Oxenhoath, baronet” [p. 640]:
> https://archive.org/details/recordofbartholo02bart/page/512/mode/2up
>
> So, Frances (Bartholomew) Wingfield-Stratford has a potential 19-generation descent from Edward I:
>
> Edward I had a dau:
> 1) Joan of Acre (1272-1307), who had
> 2) Eleanor de Clare (1292-1337), who had
> 3) Isabel le Despenser (c.1313-aft.1356), who had
> 4) Sir Edmund Arundel (1327-1381), who had
> 5) Philippa Arundel (c.1352-1399), who had
> 6) Elizabeth Cergeaux (b. c.1371), who had
> 7) Anne Marney m. Sir Thomas Tyrrell of Heron Hall (c.1411-1476), and had
> 8) Humphrey Tyrrell of Little Warley Hall (d. 1507) m. 1) Isabel Helion, and had
> 9) Anne Tyrrell (1474-1534) m. Sir Roger Wentworth of Codham Hall, and had
> 10) Margaret Wentworth m. 1) John Berney of Reedham (by 1485-1527), and had
> 11) John Berney of Reedham (c.1510-1557) m. 1) Margaret Reade (d. 1548), and had
> 12) Mary Berney m. Edmund Style of Langley Park (1538-1616), and had
> 13) William Style, Heir of Langley Park (d. 1615) m. 1) Anne Eversfield, and had
> 14) Anne Style m. Sir Nicholas Miller of Oxenhoath (c.1592-1658), and had
> 15) Sir Humphrey Miller, 1st Baronet of Oxenhoath (c.1635-1709) m. 1) Mary Borlase*, and had
> 16) Elizabeth Miller (c.1664-1720) m. Leonard Bartholomew of Rochester, and had
> 17) Leonard Bartholomew of Addington Place (d. 1757) m. Elizabeth Watton, and had
> 18) Leonard Bartholomew of Addington Place (1728-1810) m. Frances Wildash, and had
> 19) Frances Bartholomew (1775-1827) m. Hon. John Wingfield-Stratford
>
> *The evidence for Generations 14 and 15 above is in Complete Baronetage Volume 3, p. 125. It should be noted that Mary (Borlase), Lady Miller has two lines of descent from Edward III, one of those thru Cardinal Beaufort. But I’m focusing on this possible Edward I descent for her husband the first baronet.
> https://archive.org/details/cu31924092524390/page/n144/mode/2up
>
> The evidence for Generations 12 thru 14 above is in Betham’s ‘Baronetage’ Volume 1, p. 295, where he says that Edmund Style of Langley “married Mary, daughter of John Berney, of Reedham, in Norfolk”:
> https://archive.org/details/baronetageengla00unkngoog/page/295/mode/2up
>
> The problem with this line of descent lies with this Mary (Berney) Style. This unsourced Wikitree entry has Mary as the daughter of John Berney of Reedham and Margaret Reade:
> https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Berney-17
>
> Generations 1 thru 11 above are well-covered in several published works on royal descent, including Douglas Richardson’s ‘Plantagenet Ancestry’ 2nd Edition (2011). But in that work, Douglas states that John Berney and his 1st wife Margaret Reade had “five daughters, Mary (wife of Robert Jenney, Esq.), Thomasine (wife of Thomas Osborn, Esq.), Elizabeth, Ursula, and Ela” [p. 297]:
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/Plantagenet_Ancestry_A_Study_In_Colonial/kjme027UeagC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=john+berney+married+margaret+reade&pg=RA1-PA297&printsec=frontcover
>
> One of Douglas’s sources for his entry on John Berney is the Barney pedigree in ‘The Visitations of Norfolk, 1563, 1589 and 1613’ edited by Walter Rye (Harleian Society Volume 32 (1891)), pp. 16-17. But that pedigree only gives John Berney and Margaret Reade one daughter, “Mary ux. Will. Denny of Heringfleet in co. Suff., esq.”:
> https://archive.org/details/visitacionievisi32ryew/page/16/mode/2up
>
> Another of Douglas’s sources is William Betham’s Baronetage Vol. 1 (1801), p. 182, where Betham states that John Berney and Margaret Reade had four daughters, “Thomasine, the wife of Thomas Osborne of Kirby Bedon, Esq. another, the wife of – Sydnor of Blundeston, Esq. Mary, of Robert Jenney of Herringfleet; and the youngest of --- Cuddon of Shadingfield, all in Suffolk”:
> https://archive.org/details/baronetageengla00unkngoog/page/182/mode/2up
>
> So we now have Mary Berney, daughter of John Berney of Reedham and Margaret Reade, with three potential husbands:
> 1) Edmund Style of Langley Hall, parish of Beckenham, Kent – per William Betham in 1801 (though to be fair he doesn’t state which John Berney of Reedham was Edmund Style’s father-in-law).
> 2) Robert Jenney of Herringfleet, Suffolk – again per William Betham in 1801
> 3) William Denny of Herringfleet, Suffolk – per a pedigree edited by Walter Rye in 1891
>
> Per the Jenney of Herringfleet pedigree in the 1561 Visitation of Suffolk, “Robert Jenney of Herringfleet, Gent., son and heir to Richard, mar. Marye, da. to John Barney of Reedham, co. Norf., Esq., and by her had issue…” [p. 46]:
> https://archive.org/details/visitationsofsuf00harvuoft/page/46/mode/2up
>
> Per Walter Coppinger’s ‘The Manors of Suffolk’ Volume 5 (19), sub ‘Manor of Loudham and Titsall’s Herringfleet’, p. 46, “At all events, this Robert [Jenny] had the manor, and we find that in 1542 he and Mary his wife levied a fine against Francis Jenny and Margaret his wife. Robert Jenny married Mary, daughter of John Berney, of Reedham, and died in 1559, when the manor passed to his son and heir, John Jenny”:
> https://archive.org/details/manorsofsuffolkn05copiuoft/page/46/mode/2up
>
> So Robert Jenny of Loudham in Herringfleet and Mary Berney were married by 1542. But the John Berney of Reedham who married Margaret Reade was “born about 1518 (aged 18 in 1536)”, per Douglas Richardson. That doesn’t work chronologically. It turns out John Berney was actually born about 1510 (aged 18 in 1528), but that still doesn’t work chronologically.
> https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/h8_5r8pMg7A/m/P0BWF4Nn_8oJ
>
> Joan Corder’s edition of ‘The Visitation of Suffolk 1561’ Part 2 (Harleian Society New Series Volume 3 (1984)), p. 341, has Robert Jenney of Titsall’s manor in Herringfleet died 1559 “Married Mary, daughter of John Berney, of Reedham, co. Norfolk. After Jenney’s death Mary married Henry Brampton, of Fritton…”:
> https://books.google.com/books?newbks=0&id=2Xc0SkVQAycC&dq=robert+jenney+of+herringfleet&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=reedham
>
> One of the sources cited by Corder is the Barney pedigree in the Visitation of London 1568, and it is this pedigree which solves the chronological dilemma. “Mary 1 da. maried to Robert Jenney after to – Brampton” was actually the daughter of John Berney of Reedham and Margaret Wentworth, and the sister of the John Berney of Reedham who married Margaret Reade:
> https://archive.org/details/visitationoflond00cook/page/58/mode/2up
>
> With Mary Berney, wife of Robert Jenney (d. 1559) now moved a generation back, that leaves the possibility that John Berney of Reedham (c.1510-1557) and his first wife Margaret Reade had their own daughter Mary Berney, as in the Barney pedigree in the 1891 Visitation of Norfolk volume, where she is married to William Denny. In that same volume, Walter Rye has a Denny pedigree in which “William Denny, esqr, 2nd son [of Sir Robert Denny and Frances Tresham] = Mary da. of Jo. Berney of Reedham in co. Norf.” [pp. 102-103]:
> https://archive.org/details/visitacionievisi32ryew/page/102/mode/2up
>
> However, a query by Rev. H.L.L. Denny to ‘Notes and Queries’ in 1905 casts into doubt the accuracy of the 1891 Denny pedigree by Walter Rye [pp 249-250]: “But to the original MS. of the Visitation an addition has been made, in a different ink, by an apparently later hand. This gives as wife to Robert Denny ‘Frances, dau. Trigham [or Tresham], Esq., of co. Northants,’ and makes him have a second son William, who, by a Barney of Reedham, Norfolk, had Thomas and Syndrack Denny, who left numerous issue. This whole pedigree, addition and all, is printed in the Harleian Society’s ‘Visitation of Norfolk.’…I am myself inclined to think that this unconsidered younger son, Robert Denny, has been made by some enterprising genealogist a peg whereupon to hang a pedigree.”:
> https://books.google.com/books?id=S92ddIdH3UIC&pg=PA249&lpg=PA249&dq=Sir+Robert+Denny+married+Frances+Tresham&source=bl&ots=cS41V1cr_i&sig=ACfU3U13GBmpIYO7gugbsDvWetO4sCpLBg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjNgca9hYj0AhXRwJ4KHW8kDd8Q6AF6BAgPEAM#v=onepage&q=Sir%20Robert%20Denny%20married%20Frances%20Tresham&f=false
>
> John Berney of Reedham (c.1510-1557) did have a daughter named Mary, who, along with her sisters Thomasine, Elizabeth, Ursula and Ela, was under age 18 and not yet married when he wrote his will (dated 30 January 1554), “daughter Mary Berney - a flower of gold with diamonds, which was her mother's … my said daughters Mary, Thomasyne, Elizabeth, Ursula & Ele - 100 marks each at age 18 or day of marriage, with remainder to my son Henry Berney; my daughters to marry with the consent of my mother, my brother in law Augustine Stywarde, my sister Harward & my executors;if not, then to have only £20”:
> https://www.genealogy.com/ftm/b/o/l/Andrew-N-BOLS/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0110.html
>
> Does anyone know of a detailed pedigree, or article, on the Style family of Langley Park? The chronology suggests that the Mary Berney who was the wife of Edmund Style of Langley Park (1538-1616) would fit as the daughter of John Berney of Reedham (c.1510-1557) and his first wife Margaret Reade (d.. 1548) named Mary.
>
> Cheers, -----Brad

Brad.

Once again this line is in my sights! This time it looks like it is my ancestry, and I had no idea.

Did Douglas ever confirm that this was correct or incorrect? Thank you!

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Thomasine Berney, daughter of John Berney and Margaret Read and wife of Thomas Osborn/Osborne

Sources:

"five daughters, Mary (wife of Robert Jenney, Esq.), Thomasine (wife of Thomas Osborn, Esq.), Elizabeth, Ursula, and Ela"
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Plantagenet_Ancestry_A_Study_In_Colonial/kjme027UeagC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=Berney%20Osborn

"John Berney, who first married Margaret, daughter of William Reade of Beccles, in Suffolk ... He died in 1557, having issue Thomasine, the wife of Thomas Osborne of Kirby Bedon, Esq."
https ://archive.org/details/baronetageengla00unkngoog/page/182/mode/1up

"Thomas Osborne=Thomazin, da. to John Barney in Com. Norf., [daughter] Elizabeth ux. Owen Sheppard of Kirkby."
https://archive.org/details/visitacionievisi32ryew/page/210/mode/1up?

Owen Sheppard was the daughter of Thomasine Sheppard, who married William Barnes of East Winch, Norfolk.

Darrell