On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 08:27:33 -0500 (EST), justan <me@here.com> wrote:

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>> On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 03:36:26 -0000 (UTC), Bill<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:>Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com>>>> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:>>>> True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote: >>>>>> Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>>>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H
>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they reimbursed the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, Wayne? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loans. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no help from me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> education. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last >>>>>>>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover >>>>>>>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go
>to school. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help >>>>>>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance >>>>>>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took >>>>>>>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's >>>>>>>>>>> and most of another for me. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but >>>>>>>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit >>>>>>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971
>when I was looking. >>>>>>>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days). >>>>>>>>> Education was based on your active duty time. >>>>>>>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV >>>>>>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college. >>>>>>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector >>>>>>>>> because I had the one third down. >>>>>>>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service >>>>>>>>> connected ailments and retired. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active. >>>>>>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days >>>>>>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the >>>>>>>> Pueblo was seized. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Did you run out of toilets to clean? >>>>>>> >>>>>> That?s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave >>>>>> oven with the
>door open. Did not do good things for your brain. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Nor did standing close to an operating radar array. >>>>> You certainly are living proof of that. >>>>> >>>> Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars. >>>> We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and >>>> looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate >>>> when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in >>>> the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got >>>> hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes >>>> forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much >>>> more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were >>>> transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters. >>>> Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten >>>> a degree that let you have a decent career.>>> >>> >>I
wanted
>to be an engineer designing as opposed to fixing. Definitely was>not the manager type, more hands on. In high school I figured to be a>mechanical engineer or a geologist. Actually went to work for NCR when>19, to get money to go to university. Was going to go to UC Berkeley, but>not set up for working students. Probably could have got some priority as>my dad worked for UC as a machinist, later management.For the last 2/3ds of my career I was doing more "fixing the process"than fixing machines. The machine part was just muscle memory for us.I got to do all the designing I wanted to do, creating an environmentwhere we didn't work very hard and we had great numbers so they leftus alone. I was very lucky to have a good team both in Ft Myers and on3d shift in DC. Nobody else could make our processes work so theystopped asking what we were doing. I also did all the design work here at the house. (Addition, pool, 2baths, kitchen, a shit load of Tiki Bars according to Harry and the
>EdLabrador Memorial bridge). Nothing fell down yet and I didn't spend four years having someonetell me I could do it. I just did.
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>No permits for any of that?

The pool and the addition.