On Sun, 6 Mar 2022 00:11:46 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:

>waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 11:27:45 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>> On 3/5/2022 10:56 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 10:40:21 AM UTC-5, justan wrote:
>>>>> "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com> Wrote in message:r
>>>>>> On 3/4/2022 11:02 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:> On Friday,
>>>>>> March 4, 2022 at 8:41:21 AM UTC-5, John H wrote:>> On Fri, 4 Mar 2022
>>>>>> 08:02:12 -0500 (EST), justan <m...@here.com> wrote:>>>>> "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>> <not...@noland.com> Wrote in message:r>>>> On 3/3/2022 12:53 PM,
>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:> On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 10:27:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>> wrote:> >> On 2/27/2022 12:46 PM,
>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 16:25:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill>>>
>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 05:34:09 -0000 (UTC), Bill>>>>>
>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> <gfre...@aol.com>
>>>>>> wrote:>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 20:03:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill>>>>>>>
>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since I don?t
>>>>>> think they can defeat the amount of Russians Putin will throw>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> at them, they should take the war to Russia. Start by blowing up
>>>>>> the>>>>>>>> transformers at lots of major power substations. Then
>>>>>> mine bridges>>>>>>>> connecting major areas. Run a war against the
>>>>>> people of Russia and make>>>>>>>> them stop Putin and his cronies.
>>>>>> Would also stop most cyber attacks, as>>>>>>>> how long is the
>>>>>> cyber>> computers>>> going to be able to run on auxiliary
>>>>>> power,>>>>>>>> since the lack of power may take down the internet
>>>>>> repeaters.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That would be the best way to insure Ukraine
>>>>>> ends up a smoking hole on>>>>>>> the ground. Russians take attacks on
>>>>>> their homeland seriously, much>>>>>>> like the US and they might send
>>>>>> in a million soldiers with all the>>>>>>> technology they can bring to
>>>>>> bear.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With the modern technology, I don?t think
>>>>>> Russia would do well. They may>>>>>> not depend on the internet as
>>>>>> much as we do, but I bet it is a lot. How>>>>>> much starvation when
>>>>>> they can not get orders to deliver food?>>>>>>>>>> I think you are
>>>>>> overestimating what Ukraine could do and>>>>> underestimating the
>>>>>> resilience of Russians. Bear in mind they lived>>>>> the USSR for
>>>>>> most of the 20th century where shortages were just a way>>>>> of
>>>>>> life. They also have a couple hundred year tradition of
>>>>>> repelling>>>>> invaders. Napoleon and Hitler found that out the hard
>>>>>> way. They>> may>>>>>>>> have a generation or two of snowflakes but I doubt
>>>>>> it.>>>>>>>>>> My bet is if Putin could sell the idea that Russia was being
>>>>>> attacked,>>>>> Ukraine would cease to exist as a viable
>>>>>> country.>>>>>>>>>> The reality is if they had just made some kind of
>>>>>> agrement that the>>>>> Eastern regions, that would willingly go back
>>>>>> to being Russia, be>>>>> allowed to, this whole thing might have been
>>>>>> unnecessary. It is the>>>>> likely outcome anyway.>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>> don?t think it would take too many assets to bring Russia or the USA
>>>>>> to a>>>> halt. Destroy the transformers at a few major power
>>>>>> stations. How many>>>> spares are a available, and how long to build
>>>>>> replacements? A few bridges>>>> taken out. Look how much havoc the
>>>>>> San Francisco Bay taken out in the>>>> Loma Prieta earthquake caused
>>>>>> and how long to replace? A couple hundred>>>> people with a couple
>>>>>> semi?s worth of explosives.>>>>>> You do not want to test the resolve
>>>>>> of the second most powerful>>> military in the world by>>> attacking
>>>>>> their homeland. A small gang of>>> terrorists brought down 2
>>>>>> buildings here and damaged a third. It gave>>> us the excuse to
>>>>>> destroy three countries that were not responsible at>>> all. We still
>>>>>> do not have a good count of how many people died.>>>>>> I realize
>>>>>> your post is a few days old but based on the Russian military>> 's
>>>>>> performance so far in Ukraine, it sure doesn't seem to be of the>>
>>>>>> same caliber it was years ago. Several former US generals on the>>
>>>>>> various cable networks all agree. Russia's invasion has been a>>
>>>>>> clusterfuck so far. Munition malfunctions, logistical problems>> and
>>>>>> a bunch of young conscripts who didn't even know why they were>>
>>>>>> there.>>>> It's too bad the nuke issue hangs over this. I think US
>>>>>> and NATO forces>> could make mincemeat of the 40 mile long line of
>>>>>> Russian tanks, missile>> launchers, troop transports and fuel trucks,
>>>>>> all lined up three abreast>> for miles. A few A-10 Warthogs would
>>>>>> probably due the trick.> > No doubt they are>>> fighting a "3d world"
>>>>>> style war, assuming there is> no real opposition other than small
>>>>>> arms fire on the ground.> It also appears the Russian soldiers are
>>>>>> not that motivated. That is> why I pointed out to Bill, we really
>>>>>> don't want to see an effective> attack on Russian soil. That might be
>>>>>> what it takes to turn them into> an army out for revenge. Right now I
>>>>>> doubt Putin is doing a very good> job in selling this war to his
>>>>>> citizens. On the bright side, the big > money in Russia may be the
>>>>>> ones to stop this and knock a little shine> off of Putin. I still bet
>>>>>> he keeps the Donbass area.> .I think the Russian civilian population
>>>>>> is experiencing a similarenlightenment that the US civilian
>>>>>> population experienced startingin the mid 60's with the war in
>>>>>> Vietnam.Post Soviet Russia is not the same as it was prior to
>>>>>> 1991.Capitalism has flourished. The Internet exists. Social Mediais
>>>>>> available. A new generation of Russians exist with accessto
>>>>>> information about the world beyond their>>> borders.Putin is a hold
>>>>>> over from the Soviet days. He doesn't use theInternet. He doesn't
>>>>>> even live in the Kremlin ... and hasn'tfor years. He lives in a
>>>>>> "palace" built for him back in 2005in a very controversial "business"
>>>>>> arrangement with a wealthyRussian ally. He's out of touch and not
>>>>>> living in the worldof 2022.Ultimately I think the Russian people will
>>>>>> be the cause ofhis downfall. I also think that eventually the same
>>>>>> may betrue in China.If you keep your citizens like mushrooms ...
>>>>>> living in darkcaves and feeding them bullshit you can maintain power.
>>>>>> Butonce the sunlight starts to illuminate what is around them,the
>>>>>> revolts begin.-- This email has been checked for viruses by
>>>>>> AVG.https://www.avg.com>>>>>> Someone should start a go fund me to
>>>>>> finance Putins removal>> Some oligarch in CA offered $1M. Hell, I'd
>>>>>> contribute.> > ===> > Based on recent photos of Putin's very long
>>>>>> conference room table, I'd say that he is practicing extreme social
>>>>>> distancing.I've heard that he rarely leaves the "palace" that he
>>>>>> lives in and is pretty much isolated from contact with anyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder what air defenses his palace has?
>>>>
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>>>
>>>> We repeatedly tried to bomb Saddam Hussein's so called palaces and
>>>> failed to get him. 5 minutes after any attempt to bomb Putin would see
>>>> an armada of nuclear warheads heading for the US. It would be a
>>>> declaration of war, a war with no winners. Even if only 5% of Russian
>>>> nukes actually made it, the devastation would be unimaginable. Putin
>>>> will have to be removed from within.
>>> Wayne, unless the Russian people (or a covert action by us) take Putin
>>> out, I have a sinking feeling that we are heading for a nuclear exchange
>>> anyway. It might be the best option to counter invade Ukraine with
>>> overwhelming USA and NATO forces *now* and demoralize the Russian troops
>>> who are there ... seemingly ill -led.
>>>
>>> If Putin's objective to reestablish the Russian Empire sanctions aren't
>>> going to stop him. If the sanctions become too onerous to the
>>> Russian economy he could very well resort to a nuclear strike anyway,
>>> like a cornered snake.
>>>
>>> I am starting to get the feeling that the West is attempting to fight
>>> this action by Putin based on Western principled idealism, thinking
>>> that any sane person would recognize the hurt it brings on citizens.
>>>
>>> I don't think Putin shares "principled idealism" or even understands
>>> what it means.
>>
>> ==
>> It's likely that we are already engaged in covert actions in Ukraine.
>> Trying to take Putin out on his home turf would be extremely difficult
>> however and might very well energize Russian sentiment against us, just
>> as a similar attempt would energize US citizens. Any attempts at
>> targeted assassination would surely invite reciprocal actions and that
>> would go downhill quickly.
>>
>
>Since the ruble has lost 30% and is in free fall, I think the Russian
>People, who really don’t like Putin, would be happy he was gone. In the
>last 20 years, he has consolidated immense power in a very small group.

But you won't. You love him. You're a little commie shit.