On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 6:47:43 PM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:

> At least you can make friends there.

I wouldn't be as snarky, even with the realities of prison, with that statement as you may imply.

Riker's Island was the best social experience I ever had, before or since.

Mike

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 8:02:12 AM UTC-4, floaterjr wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 5:45:26 AM UTC-4, dotsla...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 10:19:49 PM UTC-4, TE wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 9:18:14 PM UTC-4, xyzzy wrote:
> > > > Ken Olson <kol...@freedomnet.org> wrote:
> > > > > On 10/31/2022 8:38 PM, TE wrote:
> > > > >> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 1:54:01 PM UTC-4, dotsla...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > > >>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 11:34:10 PM UTC-4, TE wrote:
> > > > >>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 7:29:02 PM UTC-4, xyzzy wrote:
> > > > >>>>> TE <rando...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:11:12 PM UTC-4, Michael Falkner wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>> Nancy Pelosi's husband has apparently been beaten severely in a home
> > > > >>>>>>> invasion this morning.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> So the question is, who did it?
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> * Was it an inside job, as many Republicans believe it is?
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> * Was it one of San Francisco's homeless population, of whom I about to rejoin?
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> * Or has a Republican finally found his nutsack and actually tried to do
> > > > >>>>>>> something meaningful?
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> It'll be interesting to see who and how this goes down.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Lover's quarrel.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> This was reported by the Santa Monica Observer, a newspaper located (checks
> > > > >>>>> Google maps) 400 miles from San Francisco. This fine news outlet has also
> > > > >>>>> reported:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> 1. that Hillary Clinton was dead in 2016 and Trump defeated a body double.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> 2. That President Trump appointed Kanye West to the department of the
> > > > >>>>> interior.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> So par for the course for MAGA news.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Heck even Elon Musk figured out he’d been had and deleted his retweet of
> > > > >>>>> their “report”, though not till after gullible wingnuts ran with it.
> > > > >>>> I have no idea what you are on about. So Pelosi wasn't attacked by nut with a hammer?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> That's the source for your "lovers quarrel" comment.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> My source is the fact that one semi-naked man hit another semi-naked man with a hammer
> > > > >> in one of the men's San Francisco homes at 2/3 am.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> WTF Are you guys getting so worked-up about? It's a joke.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> X's mistake is thinking the actual "truth" matters to you. Like, even a little bit.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> (G) aslight <------ (you are here)
> > > > >>> (O) bstruct
> > > > >>> (P) roject <----- (maybe here? NTTAWWT)
> > > > >>>> I wouldn't trust any "news" outlet that shovels shit about the Dems running a body
> > > > >>>> double or the President Trump was a Russian asset. Who would?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> You. LMAO.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thus far I've heard two main theories regarding this attack:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 1. Pelosi was attacked by a male prostitute.
> > > > >> 2. The attack on Pelosi was triggered by Trump
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I believe that Pelosi was attacked by one of our standard violent drug addicts with mental
> > > > >> problems. Blaming Trump for this attack, by people who want to DEFUND THE POLICE and
> > > > >> flood our streets with criminals is pathetic.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -TE
> > > > >>
> > > > >> “Against stupidity the gods themselves struggle in vain, O’Sullivan,” my
> > > > >> grammar school teacher, quoting
> > > > >> Goethe, would say as he handed back my weekly essay with helpful
> > > > >> comments. “So what chance do you
> > > > >> have against it?”
> > > > >
> > > > > +1
> > > > My dudes, the perp told the police why he was there, plain as daylight .
> > > > Listen to him. Unless you don’t want to because it would disturb your MAGA
> > > > victim complex or your false flag conspiracy theory or whatever allows you
> > > > to pretend MAGA isn’t violent:
> > > >
> > > > The man accused of attacking House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband with a
> > > > hammer told police he wanted to hold the Democratic leader hostage and
> > > > “break her kneecaps” to show other members of Congress there were
> > > > “consequences to actions,” authorities said Monday.
> > > >
> > > > In a chilling federal complaint, officials say that David DePape, 42,
> > > > carrying zip ties, tape and a rope in a backpack, broke into the couple’s
> > > > San Francisco home early Friday morning, went upstairs where 82-year-old
> > > > Paul Pelosi was sleeping, and demanded to talk to “Nancy.”
> > > >
> > > > …
> > > >
> > > > Authorities said DePape smashed a glass door in the back of the home with a
> > > > hammer, went to the upstairs bedroom and told Paul Pelosi to wake up.
> > > > Confronting Pelosi, he demanded to know where “Nancy” was and said he would
> > > > wait for her, according to authorities.
> > > >
> > > > …
> > > >
> > > > In an interview with police, DePape told investigators he wanted to talk to
> > > > her and viewed her “as the “leader of the pack of lies told by the
> > > > Democratic Party,” according to the eight-page complaint.
> > > > “If she were to tell DePape the ‘truth,’ he would let her go and if she
> > > > ’lied,’ he was going to break her kneecaps,” the complaint alleges.
> > > >
> > > > …
> > > >
> > > > “By breaking Nancy’s kneecaps, she would then have to be wheeled into
> > > > Congress, which would show other members of Congress there were
> > > > consequences to actions,” the complaint says DePape told investigators.
> > > I repeat myself, a simple off-the-cuff joke has you guys wetting yourselves:
> > > "My source is the fact that one semi-naked man hit another semi-naked man with a hammer
> > > in one of the men's San Francisco homes at 2/3 am."
> > That's a fact, huh?
> > > But now, I'm understanding why you guys are getting so sensitive about this
> > > episode, you want to blame MAGA, so any counter-argument is fake news:
> > > "My dudes, the perp told the police why he was there, plain as daylight .
> > > Listen to him. Unless you don’t want to because it would disturb your MAGA
> > > victim complex or your false flag conspiracy theory or whatever allows you
> > > to pretend MAGA isn’t violent: "
> > > "Pretend MAGA isn't violent?" WTF? So this is "MAGAS" fault? That's what this whole
> > > pathetic smear is about. MAGA? Yes, I remember the burning cities, the looted businesses,
> > > the mass murders etc. those were MAGA guys wearing BLM t-shirts, right? Talk
> > > about conspiracy theories. Hell, Pelosi was hit over the head with his own petard. Lunatics
> > > roaming the streets is what the Democrats demanded, and they got it....now its' Trump's fault.
> > >
> > Ahh, see, here's the problem. Fox News shows the same burning building for six months, and you think there was widespread arson, looting, and "mass murders". The actual facts - that violent crime in basically every major city in America is waaaaay down from the 80s and 90s - that 99% of the blm protests *were* peaceful - doesn't fit your narrative.
> >
> > And you're all too happy to believe what *does* fit your narrative. Eager and willing. Useful, even.
> > > P A T H E T I C
> > >
> > Yeah. Agreed.
> >
> > Cheers.
> > > BLM's latest mostly peaceful protestor going to spend time in jail:
> > >
> > > https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/26/us/waukesha-christmas-parade-trial
> > >
> > > -TE
> > >
> > > Stop being shocked when mainstream liberals express their desire to see their political
> > > adversaries not only censored by a union of state and corporate power but also imprisoned.
> > > The crux of American liberalism is authoritarianism.
> All those misguided voters are just imaging how unsafe they fell under the current state of America. Keep telling them how wrong they are.

On 11/2/2022 8:01 AM, Michael Falkner wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 6:47:43 PM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:
>
>> At least you can make friends there.
>
> I wouldn't be as snarky, even with the realities of prison, with that statement as you may imply.
>
> Riker's Island was the best social experience I ever had, before or since.
>
> Mike

Didn't mean it to be snarky, just realistic. Birds of a feather.
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On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 7:45:01 AM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:

> Didn't mean it to be snarky, just realistic. Birds of a feather.

The New York Police Dept. should've killed me that night.

The only reason I am not going to give anyone the opportunity this holiday season (and she has a holiday album and tour out) is I have more regard for her (as demented as you think it is) than I do for you (collectively).

Mike

On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 8:20:06 AM UTC-4, dotsla...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 8:02:12 AM UTC-4, floaterjr wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 5:45:26 AM UTC-4, dotsla...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 10:19:49 PM UTC-4, TE wrote:
> > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 9:18:14 PM UTC-4, xyzzy wrote:
> > > > > Ken Olson <kol...@freedomnet.org> wrote:
> > > > > > On 10/31/2022 8:38 PM, TE wrote:
> > > > > >> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 1:54:01 PM UTC-4, dotsla...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > >>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 11:34:10 PM UTC-4, TE wrote:
> > > > > >>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 7:29:02 PM UTC-4, xyzzy wrote:
> > > > > >>>>> TE <rando...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:11:12 PM UTC-4, Michael Falkner wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>> Nancy Pelosi's husband has apparently been beaten severely in a home
> > > > > >>>>>>> invasion this morning.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> So the question is, who did it?
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> * Was it an inside job, as many Republicans believe it is?
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> * Was it one of San Francisco's homeless population, of whom I about to rejoin?
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> * Or has a Republican finally found his nutsack and actually tried to do
> > > > > >>>>>>> something meaningful?
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> It'll be interesting to see who and how this goes down.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Lover's quarrel.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>> This was reported by the Santa Monica Observer, a newspaper located (checks
> > > > > >>>>> Google maps) 400 miles from San Francisco. This fine news outlet has also
> > > > > >>>>> reported:
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> 1. that Hillary Clinton was dead in 2016 and Trump defeated a body double.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> 2. That President Trump appointed Kanye West to the department of the
> > > > > >>>>> interior.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> So par for the course for MAGA news.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Heck even Elon Musk figured out he’d been had and deleted his retweet of
> > > > > >>>>> their “report”, though not till after gullible wingnuts ran with it.
> > > > > >>>> I have no idea what you are on about. So Pelosi wasn't attacked by nut with a hammer?
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>> That's the source for your "lovers quarrel" comment.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> My source is the fact that one semi-naked man hit another semi-naked man with a hammer
> > > > > >> in one of the men's San Francisco homes at 2/3 am.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> WTF Are you guys getting so worked-up about? It's a joke.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> X's mistake is thinking the actual "truth" matters to you. Like, even a little bit.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> (G) aslight <------ (you are here)
> > > > > >>> (O) bstruct
> > > > > >>> (P) roject <----- (maybe here? NTTAWWT)
> > > > > >>>> I wouldn't trust any "news" outlet that shovels shit about the Dems running a body
> > > > > >>>> double or the President Trump was a Russian asset. Who would?
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>> You. LMAO.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Thus far I've heard two main theories regarding this attack:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> 1. Pelosi was attacked by a male prostitute.
> > > > > >> 2. The attack on Pelosi was triggered by Trump
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I believe that Pelosi was attacked by one of our standard violent drug addicts with mental
> > > > > >> problems. Blaming Trump for this attack, by people who want to DEFUND THE POLICE and
> > > > > >> flood our streets with criminals is pathetic.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> -TE
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> “Against stupidity the gods themselves struggle in vain, O’Sullivan,” my
> > > > > >> grammar school teacher, quoting
> > > > > >> Goethe, would say as he handed back my weekly essay with helpful
> > > > > >> comments. “So what chance do you
> > > > > >> have against it?”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > +1
> > > > > My dudes, the perp told the police why he was there, plain as daylight .
> > > > > Listen to him. Unless you don’t want to because it would disturb your MAGA
> > > > > victim complex or your false flag conspiracy theory or whatever allows you
> > > > > to pretend MAGA isn’t violent:
> > > > >
> > > > > The man accused of attacking House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband with a
> > > > > hammer told police he wanted to hold the Democratic leader hostage and
> > > > > “break her kneecaps” to show other members of Congress there were
> > > > > “consequences to actions,” authorities said Monday.
> > > > >
> > > > > In a chilling federal complaint, officials say that David DePape, 42,
> > > > > carrying zip ties, tape and a rope in a backpack, broke into the couple’s
> > > > > San Francisco home early Friday morning, went upstairs where 82-year-old
> > > > > Paul Pelosi was sleeping, and demanded to talk to “Nancy.”
> > > > >
> > > > > …
> > > > >
> > > > > Authorities said DePape smashed a glass door in the back of the home with a
> > > > > hammer, went to the upstairs bedroom and told Paul Pelosi to wake up.
> > > > > Confronting Pelosi, he demanded to know where “Nancy” was and said he would
> > > > > wait for her, according to authorities.
> > > > >
> > > > > …
> > > > >
> > > > > In an interview with police, DePape told investigators he wanted to talk to
> > > > > her and viewed her “as the “leader of the pack of lies told by the
> > > > > Democratic Party,” according to the eight-page complaint.
> > > > > “If she were to tell DePape the ‘truth,’ he would let her go and if she
> > > > > ’lied,’ he was going to break her kneecaps,” the complaint alleges.
> > > > >
> > > > > …
> > > > >
> > > > > “By breaking Nancy’s kneecaps, she would then have to be wheeled into
> > > > > Congress, which would show other members of Congress there were
> > > > > consequences to actions,” the complaint says DePape told investigators.
> > > > I repeat myself, a simple off-the-cuff joke has you guys wetting yourselves:
> > > > "My source is the fact that one semi-naked man hit another semi-naked man with a hammer
> > > > in one of the men's San Francisco homes at 2/3 am."
> > > That's a fact, huh?
> > > > But now, I'm understanding why you guys are getting so sensitive about this
> > > > episode, you want to blame MAGA, so any counter-argument is fake news:
> > > > "My dudes, the perp told the police why he was there, plain as daylight .
> > > > Listen to him. Unless you don’t want to because it would disturb your MAGA
> > > > victim complex or your false flag conspiracy theory or whatever allows you
> > > > to pretend MAGA isn’t violent: "
> > > > "Pretend MAGA isn't violent?" WTF? So this is "MAGAS" fault? That's what this whole
> > > > pathetic smear is about. MAGA? Yes, I remember the burning cities, the looted businesses,
> > > > the mass murders etc. those were MAGA guys wearing BLM t-shirts, right? Talk
> > > > about conspiracy theories. Hell, Pelosi was hit over the head with his own petard. Lunatics
> > > > roaming the streets is what the Democrats demanded, and they got it....now its' Trump's fault.
> > > >
> > > Ahh, see, here's the problem. Fox News shows the same burning building for six months, and you think there was widespread arson, looting, and "mass murders". The actual facts - that violent crime in basically every major city in America is waaaaay down from the 80s and 90s - that 99% of the blm protests *were* peaceful - doesn't fit your narrative.
> > >
> > > And you're all too happy to believe what *does* fit your narrative. Eager and willing. Useful, even.
> > > > P A T H E T I C
> > > >
> > > Yeah. Agreed.
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> > > > BLM's latest mostly peaceful protestor going to spend time in jail:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/26/us/waukesha-christmas-parade-trial
> > > >
> > > > -TE
> > > >
> > > > Stop being shocked when mainstream liberals express their desire to see their political
> > > > adversaries not only censored by a union of state and corporate power but also imprisoned.
> > > > The crux of American liberalism is authoritarianism.
> > All those misguided voters are just imaging how unsafe they fell under the current state of America. Keep telling them how wrong they are.
> Thank you, I will. After all, truth is truth.

> You dishonest piece of shit. You lying bastard.
>

Strong words, keyboard warrior. I'm glad the medium exists so folks like you can act tough - it must be exhausting for you in TRW, walking around equal parts rage and fear.

This way, we get to see the real, unfiltered TE.

> 1. Where did I mention Detroit?
> 2. Detroit has specifically NOT had a spike in murder rates because Detroit hadn't had the
> BLM riots anywhere to anywhere near to the degree as other large cities. This FACT supports my
> point: BLM and the Dems policies has resulted in a huge increase in murders. Keep BLM
> aware from your city and your black people are far safer
> 3. After decades of continuous decline violent crime in urban areas has greatly increased. Especially
> in 2021.
>
> https://www.the-sun.com/news/2757621/cities-hit-by-blm-protests-see-murder-rates-soar/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/191129/reported-violent-crime-in-the-us-since-1990/

Like I said, way down since the 80s / 90s and it looks like that "great(ly) increased" spike actually happened 2016-2018.

Those years don't match your "BLM is rioting, murdering, looting, etc" predisposition, so go ahead and ignore the facts.

Never said you called out Detroit. Was the specific topic with my parents. Uhhh, hold the phone though - Detroit actually *did* have a spike in murders in 2020 that was much larger than seen in most other major US cities.

Detroit murders by year:

2017 267
2018 261
2019 272
2020 327 <---- But Tom - no BLM protests? What the heck? (*)
2021 275

So you couldn't even get *that* right, Tom. How very perfect.

You assumed Detroit didn't have a 2020 murder spike and boldly proclaimed (as usual, without checking any actual data):

"Detroit has specifically NOT had a spike in murder rates because Detroit hadn't had the BLM riots anywhere to anywhere near to the degree as other large cities."

So why did Detroit murders "spike" in 2020, Tom?

Ahhahahahahaha you just more or less disproved your own sad little theory you glorious bastard.

HTH. HAND.

Cheers.

(*) There's no secret to this, most murder anywhere - urban or rural - involves people lashing out against people they know, often spouses / lovers, other family members, even close friends.

2020 had us all in a pressure cooker and probably all kinds of domestic disputes, including murder, spiked as a result.

Sadly, I imagine it was quite easy to convince the weak-minded that those easily explained spikes were due to just about anything - even the largely peaceful BLM protests - especially if they're predisposed toward believing black folk are inherently violent.

Tom *wants* to believe this nonsense. So, even in the face of a disagreeable reality, he boldly closes his eyes, sticks his thumbs in his ears, and *believes*!

> You dishonest piece of shit. You lying bastard.
>

Strong words, keyboard warrior. I'm glad the medium exists so folks like you can act tough - it must be exhausting for you in TRW, walking around equal parts rage and fear.

This way, we get to see the real, unfiltered TE.

> 1. Where did I mention Detroit?
> 2. Detroit has specifically NOT had a spike in murder rates because Detroit hadn't had the
> BLM riots anywhere to anywhere near to the degree as other large cities. This FACT supports my
> point: BLM and the Dems policies has resulted in a huge increase in murders. Keep BLM
> aware from your city and your black people are far safer
> 3. After decades of continuous decline violent crime in urban areas has greatly increased. Especially
> in 2021.
>
> https://www.the-sun.com/news/2757621/cities-hit-by-blm-protests-see-murder-rates-soar/

What happened in 2021? The BLM protests were mostly in summer 2020, Tom. You don't get much right, ya know?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/191129/reported-violent-crime-in-the-us-since-1990/

Like I said, way down since the 80s / 90s and it looks like that "great(ly) increased" spike actually happened 2016-2018.

Those years don't match your "BLM is rioting, murdering, looting, etc" predisposition, so go ahead and ignore the facts.

Never said you called out Detroit. Was the specific topic with my parents. Uhhh, hold the phone though - Detroit actually *did* have a spike in murders in 2020 that was much larger than seen in most other major US cities.

Detroit murders by year:

2017 267
2018 261
2019 272
2020 327 <---- But Tom - no BLM protests? What the heck? (*)
2021 275

So you couldn't even get *that* right, Tom. How very perfect.

You assumed Detroit didn't have a 2020 murder spike and boldly proclaimed (as usual, without checking any actual data):

"Detroit has specifically NOT had a spike in murder rates because Detroit hadn't had the BLM riots anywhere to anywhere near to the degree as other large cities."

So why did Detroit murders "spike" in 2020, Tom?

Ahhahahahahaha you just more or less disproved your own sad little theory you glorious bastard.

HTH. HAND.

Cheers.

(*) There's no secret to this, most murder anywhere - urban or rural - involves people lashing out against people they know, often spouses / lovers, other family members, even close friends.

2020 had us all in a pressure cooker and probably all kinds of domestic disputes, including murder, spiked as a result.

Sadly, I imagine it was quite easy to convince the weak-minded that those easily explained spikes were due to just about anything - even the largely peaceful BLM protests - especially if they're predisposed toward believing black folk are inherently violent.

Tom *wants* to believe this nonsense. So, even in the face of a disagreeable reality, he boldly closes his eyes, sticks his thumbs in his ears, and *believes*!

On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 10:33:21 AM UTC-7, TE wrote:

> 1. Where did I mention Detroit?

Probably in the context of most cities.

> 2. Detroit has specifically NOT had a spike in murder rates because Detroit hadn't had the
> BLM riots anywhere to anywhere near to the degree as other large cities. This FACT supports my
> point: BLM and the Dems policies has resulted in a huge increase in murders. Keep BLM
> aware from your city and your black people are far safer

Because most people in Detroit realize the battle is already lost.

> 3. After decades of continuous decline violent crime in urban areas has greatly increased. Especially
> in 2021.
>
> https://www.the-sun.com/news/2757621/cities-hit-by-blm-protests-see-murder-rates-soar/

It's called "Nothing Left To Lose" -- and get ready for another "soaring" after Tuesday.

> > Finally got them to admit that was *not* the case - and the narrative being driven by Fox News and
> > their ilk was dishonest. I'm sure they still went home and watched The Five though. Baby steps.
> I have more faith in your parents than you do. Perhaps they 'agreed' in order to shut you up.
> It is almost incomprehensible that any person with with enough brain activity to access the
> internet would actually not believe that violent crime has increased in large cities in the US.
> Tell us there is no inflation as well.

What would you expect his parents do, after a certain point?

I mean, I'll be frank: The creator of "Dilbert" probably has the only real answer for a lot of these young people...

His solution for violent youth is you either watch them kill other people or you kill them yourselves, even if they are your son.

(He should know -- he had one and saw no one was coming to help.)

> > You keep trying to push the idea that the cities are burning though. I mean, it's basically all the
> > GOP has in terms of a platform these days. Lies like that - doctors wanna cut off your son's
> > dick - etc. Books are telling your kids to be gay, so must be banned. The usual conservative
> > fear mongering. All lies, but a great tool to get folks all frothing at the mouth, eager to vote.
> >
> > And, really, what are you gonna tell em? "We want to crush unions, put workers in their place,
> > and make sure folks are living paycheck to paycheck so they don't get any uppity ideas?" All
> > in the service of the mighty "job creators" of course. That'd be waaaay too honest.
> >
> > Cheers.
> -Oh....oh....

I honestly think you'd do between that and the classic line of "I put you in this world, I can take you out.", and actually MEAN IT.

I think another of the things you will see increased in the next few months is the number of parents who actually take kids who either are violent and unruly or basically are going to be seen as irredeemable and quietly see them gone.

And I don't mean out of the house.

Mike

On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 3:31:54 PM UTC-4, dotsla...@gmail.com wrote:

> Those years don't match your "BLM is rioting, murdering, looting, etc" predisposition, so go ahead and ignore the facts.

We all remember the 2020 riots and looting and the link to BLM is obvious.

The question of whether the 2020 murder spike was large and related to the BLM protests/riots is perhaps not so obvious.

> https://www.statista.com/statistics/191129/reported-violent-crime-in-the-us-since-1990/
> Like I said, way down since the 80s / 90s and it looks like that "great(ly) increased" spike actually happened 2016-2018.

Yes, crime came way down in the 90s as cities changed their policing.

But in 2020, murders did spike back to early 1990s levels.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191134/reported-murder-and-nonnegligent-manslaughter-cases-in-the-us-since-1990/

> Uhhh, hold the phone though - Detroit actually *did* have a spike in murders in 2020 that was much larger than seen in most other major US cities.

As you can see comparing my Statista link with your data, Detroit's 2020 murder bump was smaller than the nationwide bump. Nationwide the increase was about 33%, more than 5500 people.

Your conjecture that it was due to lockdown induced cabin fever doesn't explain why it was concentrated among blacks and didn't start until after Floyd’s death.

That it was a direct consequence of BLM and the resultant changes in policing does explain those things.

There is a (longish) consideration of alternate hypotheses here: https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/what-caused-the-2020-homicide-spike
tldr: BLM

The misinformation that police commonly kill unarmed blacks caused a lot of deaths.

Cheers.

On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 7:09:47 PM UTC-4, RSFC Moderator wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 3:31:54 PM UTC-4, dotsla...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Those years don't match your "BLM is rioting, murdering, looting, etc" predisposition, so go ahead and ignore the facts.
> We all remember the 2020 riots and looting and the link to BLM is obvious..
>
> The question of whether the 2020 murder spike was large and related to the BLM protests/riots is perhaps not so obvious.
> > https://www.statista.com/statistics/191129/reported-violent-crime-in-the-us-since-1990/
> > Like I said, way down since the 80s / 90s and it looks like that "great(ly) increased" spike actually happened 2016-2018.
> Yes, crime came way down in the 90s as cities changed their policing.
>
> But in 2020, murders did spike back to early 1990s levels.
> https://www.statista.com/statistics/191134/reported-murder-and-nonnegligent-manslaughter-cases-in-the-us-since-1990/
> > Uhhh, hold the phone though - Detroit actually *did* have a spike in murders in 2020 that was much larger than seen in most other major US cities.

> As you can see comparing my Statista link with your data, Detroit's 2020 murder bump was smaller than the nationwide bump. Nationwide the increase was about 33%, more than 5500 people.
>
> Your conjecture that it was due to lockdown induced cabin fever doesn't explain why it was concentrated among blacks and didn't start until after Floyd’s death.

Strange how other nations saw a decrease in violent crime. Something unique in the US was occurring that
actually increased violent crime. What could it possibly be?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/world/americas/coronavirus-murder-latin-america-crime.html
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/02/health/pandemic-lockdowns-crime-study/index.html

-TE

“I’m a big fan of HBCUs. I got my start at one of those other HBCUs, Delaware State University.”
-Joe Biden, 2022, who attended the University of Delaware

On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 5:37:48 PM UTC-7, TE wrote:

> Strange how other nations saw a decrease in violent crime. Something unique in the US was occurring that
> actually increased violent crime. What could it possibly be?
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/world/americas/coronavirus-murder-latin-america-crime.html
> https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/02/health/pandemic-lockdowns-crime-study/index.html

Then do something about it.

Raze the inner cities and kill the "joggers", if that's your stand.

I'm being frighteningly serious. You have a military-level problem in the cities if you are (as the courts misguidedly put it) a militia under the Second Amendment.

You also are going to want to overthrow their governments as well.

Mike

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:11:12 PM UTC-4, Michael Falkner wrote:
> Nancy Pelosi's husband has apparently been beaten severely in a home invasion this morning.
>
> So the question is, who did it?
>
> * Was it an inside job, as many Republicans believe it is?
>
> * Was it one of San Francisco's homeless population, of whom I about to rejoin?
>
> * Or has a Republican finally found his nutsack and actually tried to do something meaningful?
>
> It'll be interesting to see who and how this goes down.

"NBC News reported significant new details in the investigation into last week’s attack
on Paul Pelosi on Friday — and then promptly retracted the report as soon as those
details began circulating online."

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/nbc-retracts-report-that-exposed-new-details-in-pelosi-attack-investigation/

Heh...

I don't know what is more surprising: The fact that NBC didn't run the report past the Pelosi family BEFORE
publishing or they actually did some reporting in the first place.

Anyway, I'm sure they learned their lesson.

-TE

“Rally for black trans lives draws packed crowd to Brooklyn Museum plaza.”
-NBC News, 4:50PM, June 14 2020

“President Trump plans to rally his supporters next Saturday for the first time since most
of the country was shuttered by coronavirus. But health experts are questioning that
decision.”
-NBC News, 6:13 PM, June 14 2020

On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 8:44:06 PM UTC-4, TE wrote:
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:11:12 PM UTC-4, Michael Falkner wrote:
> > Nancy Pelosi's husband has apparently been beaten severely in a home invasion this morning.
> >
> > So the question is, who did it?
> >
> > * Was it an inside job, as many Republicans believe it is?
> >
> > * Was it one of San Francisco's homeless population, of whom I about to rejoin?
> >
> > * Or has a Republican finally found his nutsack and actually tried to do something meaningful?
> >
> > It'll be interesting to see who and how this goes down.
> "NBC News reported significant new details in the investigation into last week’s attack
> on Paul Pelosi on Friday — and then promptly retracted the report as soon as those
> details began circulating online."
>
> https://www.nationalreview.com/news/nbc-retracts-report-that-exposed-new-details-in-pelosi-attack-investigation/
>
> Heh...
>
> I don't know what is more surprising: The fact that NBC didn't run the report past the Pelosi family BEFORE
> publishing or they actually did some reporting in the first place.
>
> Anyway, I'm sure they learned their lesson.
>
> -TE
>
> “Rally for black trans lives draws packed crowd to Brooklyn Museum plaza.”
> -NBC News, 4:50PM, June 14 2020
>
> “President Trump plans to rally his supporters next Saturday for the first time since most
> of the country was shuttered by coronavirus. But health experts are questioning that
> decision.”
> -NBC News, 6:13 PM, June 14 2020
NBC mistakenly told a piece of the truth, oops. Clearly from their report Pelosi didn't feel he was in any immediate danger or he wouldn't have left the cops at the door. What happen the 30 minutes prior to there arrival is anybody's guess, at this point.

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 5:06:55 AM UTC-4, floaterjr wrote:
> On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 8:44:06 PM UTC-4, TE wrote:
> > On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:11:12 PM UTC-4, Michael Falkner wrote:
> > > Nancy Pelosi's husband has apparently been beaten severely in a home invasion this morning.
> > >
> > > So the question is, who did it?
> > >
> > > * Was it an inside job, as many Republicans believe it is?
> > >
> > > * Was it one of San Francisco's homeless population, of whom I about to rejoin?
> > >
> > > * Or has a Republican finally found his nutsack and actually tried to do something meaningful?
> > >
> > > It'll be interesting to see who and how this goes down.
> > "NBC News reported significant new details in the investigation into last week’s attack
> > on Paul Pelosi on Friday — and then promptly retracted the report as soon as those
> > details began circulating online."
> >
> > https://www.nationalreview.com/news/nbc-retracts-report-that-exposed-new-details-in-pelosi-attack-investigation/
> >
> > Heh...
> >
> > I don't know what is more surprising: The fact that NBC didn't run the report past the Pelosi family BEFORE
> > publishing or they actually did some reporting in the first place.
> >
> > Anyway, I'm sure they learned their lesson.
> >
> > -TE
> >
> > “Rally for black trans lives draws packed crowd to Brooklyn Museum plaza.”
> > -NBC News, 4:50PM, June 14 2020
> >
> > “President Trump plans to rally his supporters next Saturday for the first time since most
> > of the country was shuttered by coronavirus. But health experts are questioning that
> > decision.”
> > -NBC News, 6:13 PM, June 14 2020

> NBC mistakenly told a piece of the truth, oops. Clearly from their report Pelosi didn't
> feel he was in any immediate danger or he wouldn't have left the cops at the door.
> What happen the 30 minutes prior to there arrival is anybody's guess, at this point.

They hand-out Pulitzers for publishing ridiculous conspiracy theories about a
Republican president, but a relatively mild story about the husband of the
speaker? They snap their fingers and the it's memory-holed. Then they whine
about "right-wing disinformation" and why the media is not trusted.

-TE

"The “FTP” graffiti [sprayed on Stevie Ray Vaughan’s Austin, TX statue] stands for
“F*** The Police,” which is a minor error in research because Andy Summers was
that band’s guitarist. Nonetheless Vaughan once opened for The Police in 1984,
so he was a cop-lover by proxy. Plus he was a white man who wore a Bolero hat
and played guitar like Jimi Hendrix, which was cultural appropriation on two
fronts. SRV is SOL. Tear that $#!+ down."

On 2022-11-05, TE <randorwell@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 5:06:55 AM UTC-4, floaterjr wrote:
>> On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 8:44:06 PM UTC-4, TE wrote:
>> > On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:11:12 PM UTC-4, Michael Falkner wrote:
>> > > Nancy Pelosi's husband has apparently been beaten severely in a home invasion this morning.
>> > >
>> > > So the question is, who did it?
>> > >
>> > > * Was it an inside job, as many Republicans believe it is?
>> > >
>> > > * Was it one of San Francisco's homeless population, of whom I about to rejoin?
>> > >
>> > > * Or has a Republican finally found his nutsack and actually tried to do something meaningful?
>> > >
>> > > It'll be interesting to see who and how this goes down.
>> > "NBC News reported significant new details in the investigation into last week’s attack
>> > on Paul Pelosi on Friday — and then promptly retracted the report as soon as those
>> > details began circulating online."
>> >
>> > https://www.nationalreview.com/news/nbc-retracts-report-that-exposed-new-details-in-pelosi-attack-investigation/
>> >
>> > Heh...
>> >
>> > I don't know what is more surprising: The fact that NBC didn't run the report past the Pelosi family BEFORE
>> > publishing or they actually did some reporting in the first place.
>> >
>> > Anyway, I'm sure they learned their lesson.
>> >
>> > -TE
>> >
>> > “Rally for black trans lives draws packed crowd to Brooklyn Museum plaza.”
>> > -NBC News, 4:50PM, June 14 2020
>> >
>> > “President Trump plans to rally his supporters next Saturday for the first time since most
>> > of the country was shuttered by coronavirus. But health experts are questioning that
>> > decision.”
>> > -NBC News, 6:13 PM, June 14 2020
>
>> NBC mistakenly told a piece of the truth, oops. Clearly from their report Pelosi didn't
>> feel he was in any immediate danger or he wouldn't have left the cops at the door.
>> What happen the 30 minutes prior to there arrival is anybody's guess, at this point.
>
> They hand-out Pulitzers for publishing ridiculous conspiracy theories about a
> Republican president, but a relatively mild story about the husband of the
> speaker? They snap their fingers and the it's memory-holed. Then they whine
> about "right-wing disinformation" and why the media is not trusted.
>

It wouldn't have been such a big deal if the reaction of Democrats
wasn't to immediately blame the attack on "right-wing extremism". That
is laughable with what we know now.

Note they have removed the new story "for not meeting our
standards", but they have kept their original story blaming the
right for the incident.

--
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after all, anonymous. -- Barry Ritholtz

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 8:58:59 AM UTC-7, TE wrote:
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 5:06:55 AM UTC-4, floaterjr wrote:
> > On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 8:44:06 PM UTC-4, TE wrote:
> > > On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:11:12 PM UTC-4, Michael Falkner wrote:
> > > > Nancy Pelosi's husband has apparently been beaten severely in a home invasion this morning.
> > > >
> > > > So the question is, who did it?
> > > >
> > > > * Was it an inside job, as many Republicans believe it is?
> > > >
> > > > * Was it one of San Francisco's homeless population, of whom I about to rejoin?
> > > >
> > > > * Or has a Republican finally found his nutsack and actually tried to do something meaningful?
> > > >
> > > > It'll be interesting to see who and how this goes down.
> > > "NBC News reported significant new details in the investigation into last week’s attack
> > > on Paul Pelosi on Friday — and then promptly retracted the report as soon as those
> > > details began circulating online."
> > >
> > > https://www.nationalreview.com/news/nbc-retracts-report-that-exposed-new-details-in-pelosi-attack-investigation/
> > >
> > > Heh...
> > >
> > > I don't know what is more surprising: The fact that NBC didn't run the report past the Pelosi family BEFORE
> > > publishing or they actually did some reporting in the first place.
> > >
> > > Anyway, I'm sure they learned their lesson.
> > >
> > > -TE
> > >
> > > “Rally for black trans lives draws packed crowd to Brooklyn Museum plaza.”
> > > -NBC News, 4:50PM, June 14 2020
> > >
> > > “President Trump plans to rally his supporters next Saturday for the first time since most
> > > of the country was shuttered by coronavirus. But health experts are questioning that
> > > decision.”
> > > -NBC News, 6:13 PM, June 14 2020
>
> > NBC mistakenly told a piece of the truth, oops. Clearly from their report Pelosi didn't
> > feel he was in any immediate danger or he wouldn't have left the cops at the door.
> > What happen the 30 minutes prior to there arrival is anybody's guess, at this point.
> They hand-out Pulitzers for publishing ridiculous conspiracy theories about a
> Republican president, but a relatively mild story about the husband of the
> speaker? They snap their fingers and the it's memory-holed. Then they whine
> about "right-wing disinformation" and why the media is not trusted.
>
> -TE

it goes both ways. You can't find the article that tells how DeSantis likes to receive sex from pigs. Personally, I never did see that story but someone who did, told me about it.

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 2:19:21 PM UTC-7, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:

> It wouldn't have been such a big deal if the reaction of Democrats
> wasn't to immediately blame the attack on "right-wing extremism". That
> is laughable with what we know now.

The fact that there has been significant desire on the American Right to assassinate Pelosi cannot be understated.

I think I've made it clear that I'm still only 70-30 -- largely due to the fact that I'd have to think such a MAGA would be exterminated immediately upon discovery in the People's Republic of Berkeley.
Mike

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 5:24:24 PM UTC-4, Eric Ramon wrote:
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 8:58:59 AM UTC-7, TE wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 5:06:55 AM UTC-4, floaterjr wrote:
> > > On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 8:44:06 PM UTC-4, TE wrote:
> > > > On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:11:12 PM UTC-4, Michael Falkner wrote:
> > > > > Nancy Pelosi's husband has apparently been beaten severely in a home invasion this morning.
> > > > >
> > > > > So the question is, who did it?
> > > > >
> > > > > * Was it an inside job, as many Republicans believe it is?
> > > > >
> > > > > * Was it one of San Francisco's homeless population, of whom I about to rejoin?
> > > > >
> > > > > * Or has a Republican finally found his nutsack and actually tried to do something meaningful?
> > > > >
> > > > > It'll be interesting to see who and how this goes down.
> > > > "NBC News reported significant new details in the investigation into last week’s attack
> > > > on Paul Pelosi on Friday — and then promptly retracted the report as soon as those
> > > > details began circulating online."
> > > >
> > > > https://www.nationalreview.com/news/nbc-retracts-report-that-exposed-new-details-in-pelosi-attack-investigation/
> > > >
> > > > Heh...
> > > >
> > > > I don't know what is more surprising: The fact that NBC didn't run the report past the Pelosi family BEFORE
> > > > publishing or they actually did some reporting in the first place.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, I'm sure they learned their lesson.
> > > >
> > > > -TE
> > > >
> > > > “Rally for black trans lives draws packed crowd to Brooklyn Museum plaza.”
> > > > -NBC News, 4:50PM, June 14 2020
> > > >
> > > > “President Trump plans to rally his supporters next Saturday for the first time since most
> > > > of the country was shuttered by coronavirus. But health experts are questioning that
> > > > decision.”
> > > > -NBC News, 6:13 PM, June 14 2020
> >
> > > NBC mistakenly told a piece of the truth, oops. Clearly from their report Pelosi didn't
> > > feel he was in any immediate danger or he wouldn't have left the cops at the door.
> > > What happen the 30 minutes prior to there arrival is anybody's guess, at this point.

> > They hand-out Pulitzers for publishing ridiculous conspiracy theories about a
> > Republican president, but a relatively mild story about the husband of the
> > speaker? They snap their fingers and the it's memory-holed. Then they whine
> > about "right-wing disinformation" and why the media is not trusted.
> >
> > -TE

> it goes both ways.

Not sure how. Did a reporter win a Pulitzer for reporting the 'fact' that Obama was
born in Kenya?

> You cant find the article that tells how DeSantis likes to receive sex
> from pigs. Personally, I never did see that story but someone who did,
> told me about it.

....tmml...and the hits keep coming.

https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2022/11/05/the-return-of-fake-but-accurate-the-nyts-weird-desantis-hit-piece-n508317

"I’m not sure which is more damning — the fact that the NYT reporter thought that this faked video was worth “
reviewing,” or that the editor of the news section decided to keep it in the article. It’s not a recording of DeSantis.
We have no idea whether it’s even an accurate recollection of what DeSantis argued, and neither does the Times.
It’s a literal example of “fake but accurate.” It would be as if 60 Minutes II had admitted up front that they faked
the Killian memos but presented them anyway as evidence of what George W. Bush was really like decades
earlier. (As veterans of Rathergate will remember, that ended up being Dan Rather’s fallback position.)"

-TE

"I wish my newsfeed wasn’t full of people dressed in black moving through previously beautiful cities
burning and breaking and chanting and beating. You’d like to think it could be stopped. But we’ve
given up a lot of the things we used to think."