On 6/8/2021 1:00 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-06-08 9:52 a.m., News wrote:
>> On 6/8/2021 12:44 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-06-08 9:18 a.m., News wrote:
>>>> On 6/8/2021 11:52 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-06-08 6:55 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/7/2021 5:39 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2021-06-07 1:36 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2021 4:18 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2021-06-07 12:12 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2021 2:59 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-06-07 11:46 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2021 2:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-06-07 10:58 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shall we wait for (self-serving) Pirelli comment?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instead of the usual Canadian whinge/diatribe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What can produce tyre cuts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like the cut actually found on Hamilton's left rear?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You remember: the same tire as the ones that failed on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stroll's and Verstappen's cars, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Right? Like they all clipped the same sharp curb with their
>>>>>>>>>>>> shyte tyres?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You get that there is this thing called "the racing line",
>>>>>>>>>>> right?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Surely you've heard of it?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Surely, you've heard of variance there-about?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Certainly I have...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...that would be why only THREE cars had tire problems, not all
>>>>>>>>> 20.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nice try. Final answer?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why would it matter?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fact: two cars suffered left rear blow outs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fact: one other car was found to have a deep cut in the left rear
>>>>>>> tire.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And if not, variance in HAM's Turn one braking. LMFAO.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah... ...he accidentally hit (or forgot to turn off) a switch
>>>>>>>>> that changes the brake bias to heat up the front.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Claimed otherwise, elsewhere! But you know better, right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Really? Where?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quote it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because here's what I can quote. Lewis Hamilton and his race
>>>>>>> engineer on team radio played during the F1 broadcast and
>>>>>>> speaking afterward:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Hamilton, who said sorry to his team over the radio, pulled up
>>>>>>> in 15th place as his 54-race run of finishing in the points came
>>>>>>> to an end.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not what you originally claimed. Par for the course with you, pedant.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is precisely what I originally claimed, liar.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ha! Like your 'racing line' claim. Variance rules.
>>>
>>> What about that claim, gutless?
>>>
>>> I claimed--correctly--that it is normal that more than one driver
>>> might encounter a surface condition that could cut a tire...
>>>
>>> ...because driver's all drive the racing line.
>>>
>>> There is of course some variation, and depending on just where there
>>> was a problem on the track, that might mean that only a few drivers
>>> encounter it.
>>>
>>> What is incontrovertible is that Lewis Hamilton's left rear tire was
>>> CUT. It didn't fail, but it was definitely CUT.
>>
>> "Incontrovertable"! LMFAO!
>
> Yup.
>
>>
>> You heard that from Pirelli, did you? (Before they burned the
>> offending self-destructing shyte tyre.)
>
> You know Pirelli "burned" a tire, do you?
>
> How?
>
> Because if you can't show how you know that, you're not just gutless.
>
> You're a lying prick.
>
>>
>> Sure you did.
>
> I first heard it from Pirelli...
>
> ...but it was confirmed by the Mercedes team:
>
> 'Both Max Verstappen and Lance Stroll saw their races end early when
> their left-rear tyres failed at high speeds down the main straight.
> Mercedes boss Toto Wolff confirmed Hamilton narrowly escaped a similar
> fate.
>
> "We also found a cut on Lewis' left-rear tyre which was caused by
> debris," Wolff told Sky Sports.'
>
> So come up with yet another conspiracy theory, Gutless.

When Pirelli discloses it, it'll be self-serving.

So far, they haven't even got their shyte together to do so.

You expect Pirelli displays self-destructing shyte tyres in their lobby?

Good to know.

You and Toto Wolf are believable as far as you each can be tossed.

On 2021-06-08 10:21 a.m., News wrote:
> On 6/8/2021 1:00 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-06-08 9:52 a.m., News wrote:
>>> On 6/8/2021 12:44 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-06-08 9:18 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>> On 6/8/2021 11:52 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-06-08 6:55 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/7/2021 5:39 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2021-06-07 1:36 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2021 4:18 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-06-07 12:12 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2021 2:59 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-06-07 11:46 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2021 2:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-06-07 10:58 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shall we wait for (self-serving) Pirelli comment?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instead of the usual Canadian whinge/diatribe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What can produce tyre cuts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like the cut actually found on Hamilton's left rear?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You remember: the same tire as the ones that failed on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stroll's and Verstappen's cars, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right? Like they all clipped the same sharp curb with their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shyte tyres?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You get that there is this thing called "the racing line",
>>>>>>>>>>>> right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Surely you've heard of it?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Surely, you've heard of variance there-about?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Certainly I have...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...that would be why only THREE cars had tire problems, not
>>>>>>>>>> all 20.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nice try. Final answer?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why would it matter?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fact: two cars suffered left rear blow outs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fact: one other car was found to have a deep cut in the left
>>>>>>>> rear tire.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And if not, variance in HAM's Turn one braking. LMFAO.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah... ...he accidentally hit (or forgot to turn off) a
>>>>>>>>>> switch that changes the brake bias to heat up the front.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Claimed otherwise, elsewhere! But you know better, right?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Really? Where?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Quote it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because here's what I can quote. Lewis Hamilton and his race
>>>>>>>> engineer on team radio played during the F1 broadcast and
>>>>>>>> speaking afterward:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'Hamilton, who said sorry to his team over the radio, pulled up
>>>>>>>> in 15th place as his 54-race run of finishing in the points came
>>>>>>>> to an end.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not what you originally claimed. Par for the course with you,
>>>>>>> pedant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is precisely what I originally claimed, liar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ha! Like your 'racing line' claim. Variance rules.
>>>>
>>>> What about that claim, gutless?
>>>>
>>>> I claimed--correctly--that it is normal that more than one driver
>>>> might encounter a surface condition that could cut a tire...
>>>>
>>>> ...because driver's all drive the racing line.
>>>>
>>>> There is of course some variation, and depending on just where there
>>>> was a problem on the track, that might mean that only a few drivers
>>>> encounter it.
>>>>
>>>> What is incontrovertible is that Lewis Hamilton's left rear tire was
>>>> CUT. It didn't fail, but it was definitely CUT.
>>>
>>> "Incontrovertable"! LMFAO!
>>
>> Yup.
>>
>>>
>>> You heard that from Pirelli, did you? (Before they burned the
>>> offending self-destructing shyte tyre.)
>>
>> You know Pirelli "burned" a tire, do you?
>>
>> How?
>>
>> Because if you can't show how you know that, you're not just gutless.
>>
>> You're a lying prick.
>>
>>>
>>> Sure you did.
>>
>> I first heard it from Pirelli...
>>
>> ...but it was confirmed by the Mercedes team:
>>
>> 'Both Max Verstappen and Lance Stroll saw their races end early when
>> their left-rear tyres failed at high speeds down the main straight.
>> Mercedes boss Toto Wolff confirmed Hamilton narrowly escaped a similar
>> fate.
>>
>> "We also found a cut on Lewis' left-rear tyre which was caused by
>> debris," Wolff told Sky Sports.'
>>
>> So come up with yet another conspiracy theory, Gutless.
>
> When Pirelli discloses it, it'll be self-serving.

Hey! You didn't snip out the fact that Toto Wolff confirmed it.

This is progress from a gutless little liar like you.

>
> So far, they haven't even got their shyte together to do so.
>
> You expect Pirelli displays self-destructing shyte tyres in their lobby?

So you admit you lied when you claimed they burned the tires, do you?

>
> Good to know.
>
> You and Toto Wolf are believable as far as you each can be tossed.

But you know BETTER than everyone!

Pirelli? Lying!

Mercedes? Lying!

Gutless prick? He's the only one who knows the real story!

On 6/8/2021 1:23 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-06-08 10:21 a.m., News wrote:
>> On 6/8/2021 1:00 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-06-08 9:52 a.m., News wrote:
>>>> On 6/8/2021 12:44 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-06-08 9:18 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/8/2021 11:52 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2021-06-08 6:55 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2021 5:39 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2021-06-07 1:36 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2021 4:18 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-06-07 12:12 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2021 2:59 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-06-07 11:46 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2021 2:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-06-07 10:58 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shall we wait for (self-serving) Pirelli comment?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instead of the usual Canadian whinge/diatribe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What can produce tyre cuts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like the cut actually found on Hamilton's left rear?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You remember: the same tire as the ones that failed on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stroll's and Verstappen's cars, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right? Like they all clipped the same sharp curb with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their shyte tyres?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You get that there is this thing called "the racing line",
>>>>>>>>>>>>> right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surely you've heard of it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Surely, you've heard of variance there-about?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Certainly I have...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ...that would be why only THREE cars had tire problems, not
>>>>>>>>>>> all 20.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nice try. Final answer?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why would it matter?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fact: two cars suffered left rear blow outs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fact: one other car was found to have a deep cut in the left
>>>>>>>>> rear tire.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And if not, variance in HAM's Turn one braking. LMFAO.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah... ...he accidentally hit (or forgot to turn off) a
>>>>>>>>>>> switch that changes the brake bias to heat up the front.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Claimed otherwise, elsewhere! But you know better, right?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Really? Where?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Quote it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because here's what I can quote. Lewis Hamilton and his race
>>>>>>>>> engineer on team radio played during the F1 broadcast and
>>>>>>>>> speaking afterward:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 'Hamilton, who said sorry to his team over the radio, pulled up
>>>>>>>>> in 15th place as his 54-race run of finishing in the points
>>>>>>>>> came to an end.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not what you originally claimed. Par for the course with you,
>>>>>>>> pedant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is precisely what I originally claimed, liar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ha! Like your 'racing line' claim. Variance rules.
>>>>>
>>>>> What about that claim, gutless?
>>>>>
>>>>> I claimed--correctly--that it is normal that more than one driver
>>>>> might encounter a surface condition that could cut a tire...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...because driver's all drive the racing line.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is of course some variation, and depending on just where
>>>>> there was a problem on the track, that might mean that only a few
>>>>> drivers encounter it.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is incontrovertible is that Lewis Hamilton's left rear tire
>>>>> was CUT. It didn't fail, but it was definitely CUT.
>>>>
>>>> "Incontrovertable"! LMFAO!
>>>
>>> Yup.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You heard that from Pirelli, did you? (Before they burned the
>>>> offending self-destructing shyte tyre.)
>>>
>>> You know Pirelli "burned" a tire, do you?
>>>
>>> How?
>>>
>>> Because if you can't show how you know that, you're not just gutless.
>>>
>>> You're a lying prick.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sure you did.
>>>
>>> I first heard it from Pirelli...
>>>
>>> ...but it was confirmed by the Mercedes team:
>>>
>>> 'Both Max Verstappen and Lance Stroll saw their races end early when
>>> their left-rear tyres failed at high speeds down the main straight.
>>> Mercedes boss Toto Wolff confirmed Hamilton narrowly escaped a
>>> similar fate.
>>>
>>> "We also found a cut on Lewis' left-rear tyre which was caused by
>>> debris," Wolff told Sky Sports.'
>>>
>>> So come up with yet another conspiracy theory, Gutless.
>>
>> When Pirelli discloses it, it'll be self-serving.
>
> Hey! You didn't snip out the fact that Toto Wolff confirmed it.
>
> This is progress from a gutless little liar like you.
>
>>
>> So far, they haven't even got their shyte together to do so.
>>
>> You expect Pirelli displays self-destructing shyte tyres in their lobby?
>
> So you admit you lied when you claimed they burned the tires, do you?
>
>>
>> Good to know.
>>
>> You and Toto Wolf are believable as far as you each can be tossed.
>
> But you know BETTER than everyone!
>
> Pirelli? Lying!
>
> Mercedes? Lying!
>
> Gutless prick? He's the only one who knows the real story!

FOAD, Baker. The truth will out, and you'll look the part of the poseur.

On 2021-06-08 11:14 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What can produce tyre cuts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like the cut actually found on Hamilton's left rear?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You remember: the same tire as the ones that failed on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stroll's and Verstappen's cars, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right? Like they all clipped the same sharp curb with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their shyte tyres?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You get that there is this thing called "the racing line",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surely you've heard of it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surely, you've heard of variance there-about?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Certainly I have...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...that would be why only THREE cars had tire problems, not
>>>>>>>>>>>> all 20.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nice try. Final answer?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why would it matter?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fact: two cars suffered left rear blow outs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fact: one other car was found to have a deep cut in the left
>>>>>>>>>> rear tire.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if not, variance in HAM's Turn one braking. LMFAO.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah... ...he accidentally hit (or forgot to turn off) a
>>>>>>>>>>>> switch that changes the brake bias to heat up the front.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Claimed otherwise, elsewhere! But you know better, right?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Really? Where?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Quote it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Because here's what I can quote. Lewis Hamilton and his race
>>>>>>>>>> engineer on team radio played during the F1 broadcast and
>>>>>>>>>> speaking afterward:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 'Hamilton, who said sorry to his team over the radio, pulled
>>>>>>>>>> up in 15th place as his 54-race run of finishing in the points
>>>>>>>>>> came to an end.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not what you originally claimed. Par for the course with you,
>>>>>>>>> pedant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is precisely what I originally claimed, liar.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ha! Like your 'racing line' claim. Variance rules.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about that claim, gutless?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I claimed--correctly--that it is normal that more than one driver
>>>>>> might encounter a surface condition that could cut a tire...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...because driver's all drive the racing line.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is of course some variation, and depending on just where
>>>>>> there was a problem on the track, that might mean that only a few
>>>>>> drivers encounter it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is incontrovertible is that Lewis Hamilton's left rear tire
>>>>>> was CUT. It didn't fail, but it was definitely CUT.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Incontrovertable"! LMFAO!
>>>>
>>>> Yup.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You heard that from Pirelli, did you? (Before they burned the
>>>>> offending self-destructing shyte tyre.)
>>>>
>>>> You know Pirelli "burned" a tire, do you?
>>>>
>>>> How?
>>>>
>>>> Because if you can't show how you know that, you're not just gutless.
>>>>
>>>> You're a lying prick.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure you did.
>>>>
>>>> I first heard it from Pirelli...
>>>>
>>>> ...but it was confirmed by the Mercedes team:
>>>>
>>>> 'Both Max Verstappen and Lance Stroll saw their races end early when
>>>> their left-rear tyres failed at high speeds down the main straight.
>>>> Mercedes boss Toto Wolff confirmed Hamilton narrowly escaped a
>>>> similar fate.
>>>>
>>>> "We also found a cut on Lewis' left-rear tyre which was caused by
>>>> debris," Wolff told Sky Sports.'
>>>>
>>>> So come up with yet another conspiracy theory, Gutless.
>>>
>>> When Pirelli discloses it, it'll be self-serving.
>>
>> Hey! You didn't snip out the fact that Toto Wolff confirmed it.
>>
>> This is progress from a gutless little liar like you.
>>
>>>
>>> So far, they haven't even got their shyte together to do so.
>>>
>>> You expect Pirelli displays self-destructing shyte tyres in their lobby?
>>
>> So you admit you lied when you claimed they burned the tires, do you?
>>
>>>
>>> Good to know.
>>>
>>> You and Toto Wolf are believable as far as you each can be tossed.
>>
>> But you know BETTER than everyone!
>>
>> Pirelli? Lying!
>>
>> Mercedes? Lying!
>>
>> Gutless prick? He's the only one who knows the real story!
>
>
>
> FOAD, Baker. The truth will out, and you'll look the part of the poseur.

You, who's never spent a moment driving a racing car...

....you're calling me a poseur? That's rich!

Let's bring this back to the facts:

Three cars had damage to their left rear tires.

Two of them suffered failure, so we don't yet know what caused the
damage in the first place.

Two separate sources report that the third—Lewis Hamilton's—had a deep
cut in the tire.

Those are all facts, gutless.

Learn to deal.

On 6/8/2021 2:20 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-06-08 11:14 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What can produce tyre cuts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like the cut actually found on Hamilton's left rear?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You remember: the same tire as the ones that failed on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stroll's and Verstappen's cars, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right? Like they all clipped the same sharp curb with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their shyte tyres?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You get that there is this thing called "the racing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line", right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surely you've heard of it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surely, you've heard of variance there-about?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Certainly I have...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...that would be why only THREE cars had tire problems, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all 20.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice try. Final answer?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why would it matter?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Fact: two cars suffered left rear blow outs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Fact: one other car was found to have a deep cut in the left
>>>>>>>>>>> rear tire.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if not, variance in HAM's Turn one braking. LMFAO.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah... ...he accidentally hit (or forgot to turn off) a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> switch that changes the brake bias to heat up the front.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Claimed otherwise, elsewhere! But you know better, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Really? Where?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Quote it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Because here's what I can quote. Lewis Hamilton and his race
>>>>>>>>>>> engineer on team radio played during the F1 broadcast and
>>>>>>>>>>> speaking afterward:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 'Hamilton, who said sorry to his team over the radio, pulled
>>>>>>>>>>> up in 15th place as his 54-race run of finishing in the
>>>>>>>>>>> points came to an end.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not what you originally claimed. Par for the course with you,
>>>>>>>>>> pedant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is precisely what I originally claimed, liar.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ha! Like your 'racing line' claim. Variance rules.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What about that claim, gutless?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I claimed--correctly--that it is normal that more than one driver
>>>>>>> might encounter a surface condition that could cut a tire...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...because driver's all drive the racing line.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is of course some variation, and depending on just where
>>>>>>> there was a problem on the track, that might mean that only a few
>>>>>>> drivers encounter it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is incontrovertible is that Lewis Hamilton's left rear tire
>>>>>>> was CUT. It didn't fail, but it was definitely CUT.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Incontrovertable"! LMFAO!
>>>>>
>>>>> Yup.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You heard that from Pirelli, did you? (Before they burned the
>>>>>> offending self-destructing shyte tyre.)
>>>>>
>>>>> You know Pirelli "burned" a tire, do you?
>>>>>
>>>>> How?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because if you can't show how you know that, you're not just gutless.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're a lying prick.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure you did.
>>>>>
>>>>> I first heard it from Pirelli...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...but it was confirmed by the Mercedes team:
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Both Max Verstappen and Lance Stroll saw their races end early
>>>>> when their left-rear tyres failed at high speeds down the main
>>>>> straight. Mercedes boss Toto Wolff confirmed Hamilton narrowly
>>>>> escaped a similar fate.
>>>>>
>>>>> "We also found a cut on Lewis' left-rear tyre which was caused by
>>>>> debris," Wolff told Sky Sports.'
>>>>>
>>>>> So come up with yet another conspiracy theory, Gutless.
>>>>
>>>> When Pirelli discloses it, it'll be self-serving.
>>>
>>> Hey! You didn't snip out the fact that Toto Wolff confirmed it.
>>>
>>> This is progress from a gutless little liar like you.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> So far, they haven't even got their shyte together to do so.
>>>>
>>>> You expect Pirelli displays self-destructing shyte tyres in their
>>>> lobby?
>>>
>>> So you admit you lied when you claimed they burned the tires, do you?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good to know.
>>>>
>>>> You and Toto Wolf are believable as far as you each can be tossed.
>>>
>>> But you know BETTER than everyone!
>>>
>>> Pirelli? Lying!
>>>
>>> Mercedes? Lying!
>>>
>>> Gutless prick? He's the only one who knows the real story!
>>
>>
>>
>> FOAD, Baker. The truth will out, and you'll look the part of the poseur.
>
>
> You, who's never spent a moment driving a racing car...
>
> ...you're calling me a poseur? That's rich!
>
> Let's bring this back to the facts:
>
> Three cars had damage to their left rear tires.
>
> Two of them suffered failure, so we don't yet know what caused the
> damage in the first place.
>
> Two separate sources report that the third—Lewis Hamilton's—had a deep
> cut in the tire.
>
> Those are all facts, gutless.
>
> Learn to deal.

Keep flapping your gums, wacing dwiber. As always!

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On 2021-06-08 11:33 a.m., News wrote:
> On 6/8/2021 2:20 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-06-08 11:14 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What can produce tyre cuts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like the cut actually found on Hamilton's left rear?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You remember: the same tire as the ones that failed on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stroll's and Verstappen's cars, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right? Like they all clipped the same sharp curb with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their shyte tyres?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You get that there is this thing called "the racing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line", right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surely you've heard of it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surely, you've heard of variance there-about?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Certainly I have...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...that would be why only THREE cars had tire problems,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not all 20.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice try. Final answer?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why would it matter?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fact: two cars suffered left rear blow outs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fact: one other car was found to have a deep cut in the left
>>>>>>>>>>>> rear tire.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if not, variance in HAM's Turn one braking. LMFAO.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah... ...he accidentally hit (or forgot to turn off) a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> switch that changes the brake bias to heat up the front.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Claimed otherwise, elsewhere! But you know better, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Really? Where?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because here's what I can quote. Lewis Hamilton and his race
>>>>>>>>>>>> engineer on team radio played during the F1 broadcast and
>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking afterward:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Hamilton, who said sorry to his team over the radio, pulled
>>>>>>>>>>>> up in 15th place as his 54-race run of finishing in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> points came to an end.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not what you originally claimed. Par for the course with you,
>>>>>>>>>>> pedant.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is precisely what I originally claimed, liar.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ha! Like your 'racing line' claim. Variance rules.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What about that claim, gutless?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I claimed--correctly--that it is normal that more than one
>>>>>>>> driver might encounter a surface condition that could cut a tire...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...because driver's all drive the racing line.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is of course some variation, and depending on just where
>>>>>>>> there was a problem on the track, that might mean that only a
>>>>>>>> few drivers encounter it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is incontrovertible is that Lewis Hamilton's left rear tire
>>>>>>>> was CUT. It didn't fail, but it was definitely CUT.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Incontrovertable"! LMFAO!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yup.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You heard that from Pirelli, did you? (Before they burned the
>>>>>>> offending self-destructing shyte tyre.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You know Pirelli "burned" a tire, do you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because if you can't show how you know that, you're not just gutless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're a lying prick.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure you did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I first heard it from Pirelli...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...but it was confirmed by the Mercedes team:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'Both Max Verstappen and Lance Stroll saw their races end early
>>>>>> when their left-rear tyres failed at high speeds down the main
>>>>>> straight. Mercedes boss Toto Wolff confirmed Hamilton narrowly
>>>>>> escaped a similar fate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "We also found a cut on Lewis' left-rear tyre which was caused by
>>>>>> debris," Wolff told Sky Sports.'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So come up with yet another conspiracy theory, Gutless.
>>>>>
>>>>> When Pirelli discloses it, it'll be self-serving.
>>>>
>>>> Hey! You didn't snip out the fact that Toto Wolff confirmed it.
>>>>
>>>> This is progress from a gutless little liar like you.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So far, they haven't even got their shyte together to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> You expect Pirelli displays self-destructing shyte tyres in their
>>>>> lobby?
>>>>
>>>> So you admit you lied when you claimed they burned the tires, do you?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good to know.
>>>>>
>>>>> You and Toto Wolf are believable as far as you each can be tossed.
>>>>
>>>> But you know BETTER than everyone!
>>>>
>>>> Pirelli? Lying!
>>>>
>>>> Mercedes? Lying!
>>>>
>>>> Gutless prick? He's the only one who knows the real story!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> FOAD, Baker. The truth will out, and you'll look the part of the poseur.
>>
>>
>> You, who's never spent a moment driving a racing car...
>>
>> ...you're calling me a poseur? That's rich!
>>
>> Let's bring this back to the facts:
>>
>> Three cars had damage to their left rear tires.
>>
>> Two of them suffered failure, so we don't yet know what caused the
>> damage in the first place.
>>
>> Two separate sources report that the third—Lewis Hamilton's—had a deep
>> cut in the tire.
>>
>> Those are all facts, gutless.
>>
>> Learn to deal.
>
>
> Keep flapping your gums, wacing dwiber. As always!
>
> https://comp.sys.mac.advocacy.narkive.com/qfUtUW5e/laws-of-mass-acceleration-and-aerodynamics-as-redefined-by-alan-baker

On 6/8/2021 3:02 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-06-08 11:33 a.m., News wrote:
>> On 6/8/2021 2:20 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-06-08 11:14 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What can produce tyre cuts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like the cut actually found on Hamilton's left rear?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You remember: the same tire as the ones that failed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Stroll's and Verstappen's cars, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right? Like they all clipped the same sharp curb with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their shyte tyres?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You get that there is this thing called "the racing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line", right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surely you've heard of it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surely, you've heard of variance there-about?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Certainly I have...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...that would be why only THREE cars had tire problems,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not all 20.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice try. Final answer?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why would it matter?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fact: two cars suffered left rear blow outs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fact: one other car was found to have a deep cut in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> left rear tire.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if not, variance in HAM's Turn one braking. LMFAO.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah... ...he accidentally hit (or forgot to turn off) a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> switch that changes the brake bias to heat up the front.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Claimed otherwise, elsewhere! But you know better, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really? Where?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because here's what I can quote. Lewis Hamilton and his
>>>>>>>>>>>>> race engineer on team radio played during the F1 broadcast
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and speaking afterward:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Hamilton, who said sorry to his team over the radio,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pulled up in 15th place as his 54-race run of finishing in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the points came to an end.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not what you originally claimed. Par for the course with
>>>>>>>>>>>> you, pedant.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It is precisely what I originally claimed, liar.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ha! Like your 'racing line' claim. Variance rules.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What about that claim, gutless?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I claimed--correctly--that it is normal that more than one
>>>>>>>>> driver might encounter a surface condition that could cut a
>>>>>>>>> tire...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...because driver's all drive the racing line.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is of course some variation, and depending on just where
>>>>>>>>> there was a problem on the track, that might mean that only a
>>>>>>>>> few drivers encounter it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What is incontrovertible is that Lewis Hamilton's left rear
>>>>>>>>> tire was CUT. It didn't fail, but it was definitely CUT.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Incontrovertable"! LMFAO!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yup.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You heard that from Pirelli, did you? (Before they burned the
>>>>>>>> offending self-destructing shyte tyre.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You know Pirelli "burned" a tire, do you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because if you can't show how you know that, you're not just
>>>>>>> gutless.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're a lying prick.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure you did.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I first heard it from Pirelli...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...but it was confirmed by the Mercedes team:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Both Max Verstappen and Lance Stroll saw their races end early
>>>>>>> when their left-rear tyres failed at high speeds down the main
>>>>>>> straight. Mercedes boss Toto Wolff confirmed Hamilton narrowly
>>>>>>> escaped a similar fate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "We also found a cut on Lewis' left-rear tyre which was caused by
>>>>>>> debris," Wolff told Sky Sports.'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So come up with yet another conspiracy theory, Gutless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When Pirelli discloses it, it'll be self-serving.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey! You didn't snip out the fact that Toto Wolff confirmed it.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is progress from a gutless little liar like you.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So far, they haven't even got their shyte together to do so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You expect Pirelli displays self-destructing shyte tyres in their
>>>>>> lobby?
>>>>>
>>>>> So you admit you lied when you claimed they burned the tires, do you?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good to know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You and Toto Wolf are believable as far as you each can be tossed.
>>>>>
>>>>> But you know BETTER than everyone!
>>>>>
>>>>> Pirelli? Lying!
>>>>>
>>>>> Mercedes? Lying!
>>>>>
>>>>> Gutless prick? He's the only one who knows the real story!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> FOAD, Baker. The truth will out, and you'll look the part of the
>>>> poseur.
>>>
>>>
>>> You, who's never spent a moment driving a racing car...
>>>
>>> ...you're calling me a poseur? That's rich!
>>>
>>> Let's bring this back to the facts:
>>>
>>> Three cars had damage to their left rear tires.
>>>
>>> Two of them suffered failure, so we don't yet know what caused the
>>> damage in the first place.
>>>
>>> Two separate sources report that the third—Lewis Hamilton's—had a
>>> deep cut in the tire.
>>>
>>> Those are all facts, gutless.
>>>
>>> Learn to deal.
>>
>>
>> Keep flapping your gums, wacing dwiber. As always!
>>
>> https://comp.sys.mac.advocacy.narkive.com/qfUtUW5e/laws-of-mass-acceleration-and-aerodynamics-as-redefined-by-alan-baker
>
>
> You mean where I was absolutely correct in ever particular?
>
>>
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/c/tmpZX0swHVs
>
>
> Yeah... ...I can see why a gutless little prick like you wants to run
> away from the facts of this discussion...
>

On 2021-06-08 12:19 p.m., News wrote:
> On 6/8/2021 3:02 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-06-08 11:33 a.m., News wrote:
>>> On 6/8/2021 2:20 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-06-08 11:14 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What can produce tyre cuts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like the cut actually found on Hamilton's left rear?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You remember: the same tire as the ones that failed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Stroll's and Verstappen's cars, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right? Like they all clipped the same sharp curb with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their shyte tyres?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You get that there is this thing called "the racing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line", right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surely you've heard of it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surely, you've heard of variance there-about?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Certainly I have...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...that would be why only THREE cars had tire problems,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not all 20.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice try. Final answer?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why would it matter?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fact: two cars suffered left rear blow outs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fact: one other car was found to have a deep cut in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left rear tire.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if not, variance in HAM's Turn one braking. LMFAO.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah... ...he accidentally hit (or forgot to turn off) a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> switch that changes the brake bias to heat up the front.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Claimed otherwise, elsewhere! But you know better, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really? Where?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because here's what I can quote. Lewis Hamilton and his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> race engineer on team radio played during the F1 broadcast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and speaking afterward:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Hamilton, who said sorry to his team over the radio,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pulled up in 15th place as his 54-race run of finishing in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the points came to an end.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not what you originally claimed. Par for the course with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you, pedant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It is precisely what I originally claimed, liar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ha! Like your 'racing line' claim. Variance rules.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What about that claim, gutless?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I claimed--correctly--that it is normal that more than one
>>>>>>>>>> driver might encounter a surface condition that could cut a
>>>>>>>>>> tire...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...because driver's all drive the racing line.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is of course some variation, and depending on just where
>>>>>>>>>> there was a problem on the track, that might mean that only a
>>>>>>>>>> few drivers encounter it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What is incontrovertible is that Lewis Hamilton's left rear
>>>>>>>>>> tire was CUT. It didn't fail, but it was definitely CUT.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Incontrovertable"! LMFAO!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yup.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You heard that from Pirelli, did you? (Before they burned the
>>>>>>>>> offending self-destructing shyte tyre.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You know Pirelli "burned" a tire, do you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because if you can't show how you know that, you're not just
>>>>>>>> gutless.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're a lying prick.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sure you did.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I first heard it from Pirelli...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...but it was confirmed by the Mercedes team:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'Both Max Verstappen and Lance Stroll saw their races end early
>>>>>>>> when their left-rear tyres failed at high speeds down the main
>>>>>>>> straight. Mercedes boss Toto Wolff confirmed Hamilton narrowly
>>>>>>>> escaped a similar fate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "We also found a cut on Lewis' left-rear tyre which was caused
>>>>>>>> by debris," Wolff told Sky Sports.'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So come up with yet another conspiracy theory, Gutless.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When Pirelli discloses it, it'll be self-serving.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey! You didn't snip out the fact that Toto Wolff confirmed it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is progress from a gutless little liar like you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So far, they haven't even got their shyte together to do so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You expect Pirelli displays self-destructing shyte tyres in their
>>>>>>> lobby?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you admit you lied when you claimed they burned the tires, do you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good to know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You and Toto Wolf are believable as far as you each can be tossed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you know BETTER than everyone!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pirelli? Lying!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mercedes? Lying!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gutless prick? He's the only one who knows the real story!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> FOAD, Baker. The truth will out, and you'll look the part of the
>>>>> poseur.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You, who's never spent a moment driving a racing car...
>>>>
>>>> ...you're calling me a poseur? That's rich!
>>>>
>>>> Let's bring this back to the facts:
>>>>
>>>> Three cars had damage to their left rear tires.
>>>>
>>>> Two of them suffered failure, so we don't yet know what caused the
>>>> damage in the first place.
>>>>
>>>> Two separate sources report that the third—Lewis Hamilton's—had a
>>>> deep cut in the tire.
>>>>
>>>> Those are all facts, gutless.
>>>>
>>>> Learn to deal.
>>>
>>>
>>> Keep flapping your gums, wacing dwiber. As always!
>>>
>>> https://comp.sys.mac.advocacy.narkive.com/qfUtUW5e/laws-of-mass-acceleration-and-aerodynamics-as-redefined-by-alan-baker
>>
>>
>>
>> You mean where I was absolutely correct in ever particular?
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/c/tmpZX0swHVs
>>
>>
>> Yeah... ...I can see why a gutless little prick like you wants to run
>> away from the facts of this discussion...
>>
>
>
> Go, throw your helmet.

On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 1:20:36 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
<snip>
>
> Let's bring this back to the facts:
>
> Three cars had damage to their left rear tires.
>
> Two of them suffered failure, so we don't yet know what caused the
> damage in the first place.
>
> Two separate sources report that the third—Lewis Hamilton's—had a deep
> cut in the tire.
>

At the risk of popping my head up for target practice...

I wonder if someone is looking at racing lines and track conditions. If they all had a similar cut, it's possible that some defect on the track damaged the tire as opposed to the generic "debris." It should be easy to see if there were a bit of wire poking out of a curb or some such and all three cars took the same line across that particular bit of track.

That seems more plausible to me than the same damage occurring from random bits spread over a lap.

FWIW
DLM

On 6/9/2021 9:22 AM, D Munz wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 1:20:36 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
> <snip>
>>
>> Let's bring this back to the facts:
>>
>> Three cars had damage to their left rear tires.
>>
>> Two of them suffered failure, so we don't yet know what caused the
>> damage in the first place.
>>
>> Two separate sources report that the third—Lewis Hamilton's—had a deep
>> cut in the tire.
>>
>
> At the risk of popping my head up for target practice...
>
> I wonder if someone is looking at racing lines and track conditions. If they all had a similar cut, it's possible that some defect on the track damaged the tire as opposed to the generic "debris." It should be easy to see if there were a bit of wire poking out of a curb or some such and all three cars took the same line across that particular bit of track.
>
> That seems more plausible to me than the same damage occurring from random bits spread over a lap.
>
> FWIW
> DLM
>

Bingo. As previously noted.

On 2021-06-09 7:57 a.m., News wrote:
> On 6/9/2021 9:22 AM, D Munz wrote:
>> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 1:20:36 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>
>>> Let's bring this back to the facts:
>>>
>>> Three cars had damage to their left rear tires.
>>>
>>> Two of them suffered failure, so we don't yet know what caused the
>>> damage in the first place.
>>>
>>> Two separate sources report that the third—Lewis Hamilton's—had a deep
>>> cut in the tire.
>>>
>>
>> At the risk of popping my head up for target practice...
>>
>> I wonder if someone is looking at racing lines and track conditions.
>> If they all had a similar cut, it's possible that some defect on the
>> track damaged the tire as opposed to the generic "debris." It should
>> be easy to see if there were a bit of wire poking out of a curb or
>> some such and all three cars took the same line across that particular
>> bit of track.
>>
>> That seems more plausible to me than the same damage occurring from
>> random bits spread over a lap.
>>
>> FWIW
>> DLM
>>
>
>
> Bingo. As previously noted.

LOL!

11 out of 18 cars running after Stroll's crash had older tires than
Verstappen; some quite a bit older.

How is "damage from too weak a tire" more plausible?

And you get you can just look up this stuff, right?

<https://www.racefans.net/2021/06/06/2021-azerbaijan-grand-prix-interactive-data-lap-charts-times-and-tyres/>

On 6/9/2021 1:35 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-06-09 7:57 a.m., News wrote:
>> On 6/9/2021 9:22 AM, D Munz wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 1:20:36 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> Let's bring this back to the facts:
>>>>
>>>> Three cars had damage to their left rear tires.
>>>>
>>>> Two of them suffered failure, so we don't yet know what caused the
>>>> damage in the first place.
>>>>
>>>> Two separate sources report that the third—Lewis Hamilton's—had a deep
>>>> cut in the tire.
>>>>
>>>
>>> At the risk of popping my head up for target practice...
>>>
>>> I wonder if someone is looking at racing lines and track conditions.
>>> If they all had a similar cut, it's possible that some defect on the
>>> track damaged the tire as opposed to the generic "debris." It should
>>> be easy to see if there were a bit of wire poking out of a curb or
>>> some such and all three cars took the same line across that
>>> particular bit of track.
>>>
>>> That seems more plausible to me than the same damage occurring from
>>> random bits spread over a lap.
>>>
>>> FWIW
>>> DLM
>>>
>>
>>
>> Bingo. As previously noted.
>
> LOL!
>
> 11 out of 18 cars running after Stroll's crash had older tires than
> Verstappen; some quite a bit older.
>
> How is "damage from too weak a tire" more plausible?
>
> And you get you can just look up this stuff, right?
>
> <https://www.racefans.net/2021/06/06/2021-azerbaijan-grand-prix-interactive-data-lap-charts-times-and-tyres/>
>

Ask the random shyte tyre commenters?

None of them me, BTW, ya fucking moron.

Ya really, REALLY, are a FUCKING MORON.

Get it?

On 2021-06-09 11:45 a.m., News wrote:
> On 6/9/2021 1:35 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-06-09 7:57 a.m., News wrote:
>>> On 6/9/2021 9:22 AM, D Munz wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 1:20:36 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's bring this back to the facts:
>>>>>
>>>>> Three cars had damage to their left rear tires.
>>>>>
>>>>> Two of them suffered failure, so we don't yet know what caused the
>>>>> damage in the first place.
>>>>>
>>>>> Two separate sources report that the third—Lewis Hamilton's—had a deep
>>>>> cut in the tire.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At the risk of popping my head up for target practice...
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if someone is looking at racing lines and track conditions.
>>>> If they all had a similar cut, it's possible that some defect on the
>>>> track damaged the tire as opposed to the generic "debris." It should
>>>> be easy to see if there were a bit of wire poking out of a curb or
>>>> some such and all three cars took the same line across that
>>>> particular bit of track.
>>>>
>>>> That seems more plausible to me than the same damage occurring from
>>>> random bits spread over a lap.
>>>>
>>>> FWIW
>>>> DLM
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bingo. As previously noted.
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>> 11 out of 18 cars running after Stroll's crash had older tires than
>> Verstappen; some quite a bit older.
>>
>> How is "damage from too weak a tire" more plausible?
>>
>> And you get you can just look up this stuff, right?
>>
>> <https://www.racefans.net/2021/06/06/2021-azerbaijan-grand-prix-interactive-data-lap-charts-times-and-tyres/>
>>
>
>
> Ask the random shyte tyre commenters?
>
> None of them me, BTW, ya fucking moron.
>
> Ya really, REALLY, are a FUCKING MORON.
>
> Get it?

Did you not claim that the more plausible explanation was that the tires
both failed structurally? Let me help:

'Say what one will about different chassis setups and tyre management,
several '40 lap' shyte softs destructed at 30 laps.'

That was you, right?

And this:

'First principles: This season has been punctuated by shyte tyres.'

And this:

'Right? Like they all clipped the same sharp curb with their shyte tyres?'

And THIS (with EMPHASIS added by me):

'You heard that from Pirelli, did you? (Before they burned the offending
SELF-DESTRUCTING shyte tyre.)'

That was your take on it, right?

Are you backing down from that position?

On 6/9/2021 2:55 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-06-09 11:45 a.m., News wrote:
>> On 6/9/2021 1:35 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-06-09 7:57 a.m., News wrote:
>>>> On 6/9/2021 9:22 AM, D Munz wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 1:20:36 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's bring this back to the facts:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Three cars had damage to their left rear tires.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two of them suffered failure, so we don't yet know what caused the
>>>>>> damage in the first place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two separate sources report that the third—Lewis Hamilton's—had a
>>>>>> deep
>>>>>> cut in the tire.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At the risk of popping my head up for target practice...
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if someone is looking at racing lines and track
>>>>> conditions. If they all had a similar cut, it's possible that some
>>>>> defect on the track damaged the tire as opposed to the generic
>>>>> "debris." It should be easy to see if there were a bit of wire
>>>>> poking out of a curb or some such and all three cars took the same
>>>>> line across that particular bit of track.
>>>>>
>>>>> That seems more plausible to me than the same damage occurring from
>>>>> random bits spread over a lap.
>>>>>
>>>>> FWIW
>>>>> DLM
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bingo. As previously noted.
>>>
>>> LOL!
>>>
>>> 11 out of 18 cars running after Stroll's crash had older tires than
>>> Verstappen; some quite a bit older.
>>>
>>> How is "damage from too weak a tire" more plausible?
>>>
>>> And you get you can just look up this stuff, right?
>>>
>>> <https://www.racefans.net/2021/06/06/2021-azerbaijan-grand-prix-interactive-data-lap-charts-times-and-tyres/>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Ask the random shyte tyre commenters?
>>
>> None of them me, BTW, ya fucking moron.
>>
>> Ya really, REALLY, are a FUCKING MORON.
>>
>> Get it?
>
> Did you not claim that the more plausible explanation was that the tires
> both failed structurally? Let me help:
>
> 'Say what one will about different chassis setups and tyre management,
> several '40 lap' shyte softs destructed at 30 laps.'
>
> That was you, right?
>
> And this:
>
> 'First principles: This season has been punctuated by shyte tyres.'
>
> And this:
>
> 'Right? Like they all clipped the same sharp curb with their shyte tyres?'
>
> And THIS (with EMPHASIS added by me):
>
> 'You heard that from Pirelli, did you? (Before they burned the offending
> SELF-DESTRUCTING shyte tyre.)'
>
> That was your take on it, right?
>
> Are you backing down from that position?

Pirelli 'red-bagged' the self-destructing shyte tyres (to be examined,
then burned, CYA PR to follow)!

It's all good, MORON!

Or maybe you think a Merc wheel man gouged the shyte tyre? They're
notoriously dodgy performers.

What say, PEDANT?

On 2021-06-09 12:01 p.m., News wrote:
> On 6/9/2021 2:55 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-06-09 11:45 a.m., News wrote:
>>> On 6/9/2021 1:35 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-06-09 7:57 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>> On 6/9/2021 9:22 AM, D Munz wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 1:20:36 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let's bring this back to the facts:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Three cars had damage to their left rear tires.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Two of them suffered failure, so we don't yet know what caused the
>>>>>>> damage in the first place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Two separate sources report that the third—Lewis Hamilton's—had a
>>>>>>> deep
>>>>>>> cut in the tire.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the risk of popping my head up for target practice...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder if someone is looking at racing lines and track
>>>>>> conditions. If they all had a similar cut, it's possible that some
>>>>>> defect on the track damaged the tire as opposed to the generic
>>>>>> "debris." It should be easy to see if there were a bit of wire
>>>>>> poking out of a curb or some such and all three cars took the same
>>>>>> line across that particular bit of track.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That seems more plausible to me than the same damage occurring
>>>>>> from random bits spread over a lap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FWIW
>>>>>> DLM
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bingo. As previously noted.
>>>>
>>>> LOL!
>>>>
>>>> 11 out of 18 cars running after Stroll's crash had older tires than
>>>> Verstappen; some quite a bit older.
>>>>
>>>> How is "damage from too weak a tire" more plausible?
>>>>
>>>> And you get you can just look up this stuff, right?
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.racefans.net/2021/06/06/2021-azerbaijan-grand-prix-interactive-data-lap-charts-times-and-tyres/>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ask the random shyte tyre commenters?
>>>
>>> None of them me, BTW, ya fucking moron.
>>>
>>> Ya really, REALLY, are a FUCKING MORON.
>>>
>>> Get it?
>>
>> Did you not claim that the more plausible explanation was that the
>> tires both failed structurally? Let me help:
>>
>> 'Say what one will about different chassis setups and tyre management,
>> several '40 lap' shyte softs destructed at 30 laps.'
>>
>> That was you, right?
>>
>> And this:
>>
>> 'First principles: This season has been punctuated by shyte tyres.'
>>
>> And this:
>>
>> 'Right? Like they all clipped the same sharp curb with their shyte
>> tyres?'
>>
>> And THIS (with EMPHASIS added by me):
>>
>> 'You heard that from Pirelli, did you? (Before they burned the
>> offending SELF-DESTRUCTING shyte tyre.)'
>>
>> That was your take on it, right?
>>
>> Are you backing down from that position?
>
>
> Pirelli 'red-bagged' the self-destructing shyte tyres (to be examined,
> then burned, CYA PR to follow)!
>
> It's all good, MORON!
>
> Or maybe you think a Merc wheel man gouged the shyte tyre? They're
> notoriously dodgy performers.
>
> What say, PEDANT?

So we're completely clear:

Is it your position that Stroll's and Verstappen's left rear tires
"self-destructed?

Yes or no, gutless.

If yes, then how do you account for the fact that most of the hard
compound tires used in the race went for longer (some more than a third
longer than Stroll's) without "self-destructing"?

If the problem was the tire's construction being inadequate, how do you
explain all these tires that didn't fail (all on their second stint)?

Lando Norris C3 (41)
Charles Leclerc C3 (39)
Yuki Tsunoda C3 (39)
Nicholas Latifi C3 (39)
Carlos Sainz Jnr C3 (38)
Pierre Gasly C3 (37)
Daniel Ricciardo C3 (37)
Lewis Hamilton C3 (37)
Valtteri Bottas C3 (36)
Sergio Perez C3 (35)
Kimi Raikkonen C3 (35)

How do you explain that it was the less loaded LEFT rear tire that
failed, rather than the more highly loaded right rear tire?

Are you claiming that the cut found in Hamilton's tire was just a
coincidence...

....or are you going with conspiracy theories?

On 6/9/2021 3:17 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-06-09 12:01 p.m., News wrote:
>> On 6/9/2021 2:55 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-06-09 11:45 a.m., News wrote:
>>>> On 6/9/2021 1:35 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-06-09 7:57 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/9/2021 9:22 AM, D Munz wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 1:20:36 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let's bring this back to the facts:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Three cars had damage to their left rear tires.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Two of them suffered failure, so we don't yet know what caused the
>>>>>>>> damage in the first place.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Two separate sources report that the third—Lewis Hamilton's—had
>>>>>>>> a deep
>>>>>>>> cut in the tire.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At the risk of popping my head up for target practice...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wonder if someone is looking at racing lines and track
>>>>>>> conditions. If they all had a similar cut, it's possible that
>>>>>>> some defect on the track damaged the tire as opposed to the
>>>>>>> generic "debris." It should be easy to see if there were a bit of
>>>>>>> wire poking out of a curb or some such and all three cars took
>>>>>>> the same line across that particular bit of track.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That seems more plausible to me than the same damage occurring
>>>>>>> from random bits spread over a lap.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FWIW
>>>>>>> DLM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bingo. As previously noted.
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>> 11 out of 18 cars running after Stroll's crash had older tires than
>>>>> Verstappen; some quite a bit older.
>>>>>
>>>>> How is "damage from too weak a tire" more plausible?
>>>>>
>>>>> And you get you can just look up this stuff, right?
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.racefans.net/2021/06/06/2021-azerbaijan-grand-prix-interactive-data-lap-charts-times-and-tyres/>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ask the random shyte tyre commenters?
>>>>
>>>> None of them me, BTW, ya fucking moron.
>>>>
>>>> Ya really, REALLY, are a FUCKING MORON.
>>>>
>>>> Get it?
>>>
>>> Did you not claim that the more plausible explanation was that the
>>> tires both failed structurally? Let me help:
>>>
>>> 'Say what one will about different chassis setups and tyre
>>> management, several '40 lap' shyte softs destructed at 30 laps.'
>>>
>>> That was you, right?
>>>
>>> And this:
>>>
>>> 'First principles: This season has been punctuated by shyte tyres.'
>>>
>>> And this:
>>>
>>> 'Right? Like they all clipped the same sharp curb with their shyte
>>> tyres?'
>>>
>>> And THIS (with EMPHASIS added by me):
>>>
>>> 'You heard that from Pirelli, did you? (Before they burned the
>>> offending SELF-DESTRUCTING shyte tyre.)'
>>>
>>> That was your take on it, right?
>>>
>>> Are you backing down from that position?
>>
>>
>> Pirelli 'red-bagged' the self-destructing shyte tyres (to be examined,
>> then burned, CYA PR to follow)!
>>
>> It's all good, MORON!
>>
>> Or maybe you think a Merc wheel man gouged the shyte tyre? They're
>> notoriously dodgy performers.
>>
>> What say, PEDANT?
>
>
> So we're completely clear:
>
> Is it your position that Stroll's and Verstappen's left rear tires
> "self-destructed?

Ask Pirelli, PEDANT, and see if you believe their answer, MORON.

Capiche?

On 2021-06-09 12:26 p.m., News wrote:
> On 6/9/2021 3:17 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-06-09 12:01 p.m., News wrote:
>>> On 6/9/2021 2:55 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-06-09 11:45 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>> On 6/9/2021 1:35 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-06-09 7:57 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/9/2021 9:22 AM, D Munz wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 1:20:36 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let's bring this back to the facts:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Three cars had damage to their left rear tires.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Two of them suffered failure, so we don't yet know what caused the
>>>>>>>>> damage in the first place.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Two separate sources report that the third—Lewis Hamilton's—had
>>>>>>>>> a deep
>>>>>>>>> cut in the tire.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At the risk of popping my head up for target practice...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wonder if someone is looking at racing lines and track
>>>>>>>> conditions. If they all had a similar cut, it's possible that
>>>>>>>> some defect on the track damaged the tire as opposed to the
>>>>>>>> generic "debris." It should be easy to see if there were a bit
>>>>>>>> of wire poking out of a curb or some such and all three cars
>>>>>>>> took the same line across that particular bit of track.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That seems more plausible to me than the same damage occurring
>>>>>>>> from random bits spread over a lap.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FWIW
>>>>>>>> DLM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bingo. As previously noted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 11 out of 18 cars running after Stroll's crash had older tires
>>>>>> than Verstappen; some quite a bit older.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How is "damage from too weak a tire" more plausible?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you get you can just look up this stuff, right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.racefans.net/2021/06/06/2021-azerbaijan-grand-prix-interactive-data-lap-charts-times-and-tyres/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ask the random shyte tyre commenters?
>>>>>
>>>>> None of them me, BTW, ya fucking moron.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ya really, REALLY, are a FUCKING MORON.
>>>>>
>>>>> Get it?
>>>>
>>>> Did you not claim that the more plausible explanation was that the
>>>> tires both failed structurally? Let me help:
>>>>
>>>> 'Say what one will about different chassis setups and tyre
>>>> management, several '40 lap' shyte softs destructed at 30 laps.'
>>>>
>>>> That was you, right?
>>>>
>>>> And this:
>>>>
>>>> 'First principles: This season has been punctuated by shyte tyres.'
>>>>
>>>> And this:
>>>>
>>>> 'Right? Like they all clipped the same sharp curb with their shyte
>>>> tyres?'
>>>>
>>>> And THIS (with EMPHASIS added by me):
>>>>
>>>> 'You heard that from Pirelli, did you? (Before they burned the
>>>> offending SELF-DESTRUCTING shyte tyre.)'
>>>>
>>>> That was your take on it, right?
>>>>
>>>> Are you backing down from that position?
>>>
>>>
>>> Pirelli 'red-bagged' the self-destructing shyte tyres (to be
>>> examined, then burned, CYA PR to follow)!
>>>
>>> It's all good, MORON!
>>>
>>> Or maybe you think a Merc wheel man gouged the shyte tyre? They're
>>> notoriously dodgy performers.
>>>
>>> What say, PEDANT?
>>
>>
>> So we're completely clear:
>>
>> Is it your position that Stroll's and Verstappen's left rear tires
>> "self-destructed?
>
>
> Ask Pirelli, PEDANT, and see if you believe their answer, MORON.

Why would I ask Pirelli what YOUR position on this issue is, gutless?

They didn't write this, now did they:

'You heard that from Pirelli, did you? (Before they burned the offending
SELF-DESTRUCTING shyte tyre.)'

You wrote that, so why are you now being such a gutless wonder about
saying whether your still hold to it?

It wouldn't have something the do with all the facts which you just
(gutlessly) snipped...

....would it?

On 10/06/2021 1:22 am, D Munz wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 1:20:36 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
> <snip>
>>
>> Let's bring this back to the facts:
>>
>> Three cars had damage to their left rear tires.
>>
>> Two of them suffered failure, so we don't yet know what caused the
>> damage in the first place.
>>
>> Two separate sources report that the third—Lewis Hamilton's—had a deep
>> cut in the tire.
>>
>
> At the risk of popping my head up for target practice...
>
> I wonder if someone is looking at racing lines and track conditions. If they all had a similar cut, it's possible that some defect on the track damaged the tire as opposed to the generic "debris." It should be easy to see if there were a bit of wire poking out of a curb or some such and all three cars took the same line across that particular bit of track.
>
> That seems more plausible to me than the same damage occurring from random bits spread over a lap.
>
> FWIW
> DLM

I thought about that scenario but personally think that the cut in Hamiltons tyre (that they oddly
haven't shown pics of) is a red herring thrown in by Pirelli in an attempt to take speculation away
from the chance that it was their construction at fault.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville

This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.

On 10/06/2021 6:45 am, News wrote:
> On 6/9/2021 1:35 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-06-09 7:57 a.m., News wrote:
>>> On 6/9/2021 9:22 AM, D Munz wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 1:20:36 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's bring this back to the facts:
>>>>>
>>>>> Three cars had damage to their left rear tires.
>>>>>
>>>>> Two of them suffered failure, so we don't yet know what caused the
>>>>> damage in the first place.
>>>>>
>>>>> Two separate sources report that the third—Lewis Hamilton's—had a deep
>>>>> cut in the tire.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At the risk of popping my head up for target practice...
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if someone is looking at racing lines and track conditions.
>>>> If they all had a similar cut, it's possible that some defect on the
>>>> track damaged the tire as opposed to the generic "debris." It should
>>>> be easy to see if there were a bit of wire poking out of a curb or
>>>> some such and all three cars took the same line across that
>>>> particular bit of track.
>>>>
>>>> That seems more plausible to me than the same damage occurring from
>>>> random bits spread over a lap.
>>>>
>>>> FWIW
>>>> DLM
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bingo. As previously noted.
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>> 11 out of 18 cars running after Stroll's crash had older tires than
>> Verstappen; some quite a bit older.
>>
>> How is "damage from too weak a tire" more plausible?
>>
>> And you get you can just look up this stuff, right?
>>
>> <https://www.racefans.net/2021/06/06/2021-azerbaijan-grand-prix-interactive-data-lap-charts-times-and-tyres/>
>>
>
>
> Ask the random shyte tyre commenters?
>
> None of them me, BTW, ya fucking moron.
>
> Ya really, REALLY, are a FUCKING MORON.
>
> Get it?

At least the random shyte tyre commentators have a clue about spelling,
grammar, and word usage.

And they also doubtlessly know that carbon is not magnetic.

geoff

On 10/06/2021 12:05 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
> On 10/06/2021 1:22 am, D Munz wrote:
>> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 1:20:36 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>
>>> Let's bring this back to the facts:
>>>
>>> Three cars had damage to their left rear tires.
>>>
>>> Two of them suffered failure, so we don't yet know what caused the
>>> damage in the first place.
>>>
>>> Two separate sources report that the third—Lewis Hamilton's—had a deep
>>> cut in the tire.
>>>
>>
>> At the risk of popping my head up for target practice...
>>
>> I wonder if someone is looking at racing lines and track conditions.
>> If they all had a similar cut, it's possible that some defect on the
>> track damaged the tire as opposed to the generic "debris." It should
>> be easy to see if there were a bit of wire poking out of a curb or
>> some such and all three cars took the same line across that particular
>> bit of track.
>>
>> That seems more plausible to me than the same damage occurring from
>> random bits spread over a lap.
>>
>> FWIW
>> DLM
>
> I thought about that scenario but personally think that the cut in
> Hamiltons tyre (that they oddly haven't shown pics of) is a red herring
> thrown in by Pirelli in an attempt to take speculation away from the
> chance that it was their construction at fault.

And that 18 of the same tyres lasted for as long or longer without
problems ?

geoff

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 7:01:02 PM UTC-6, geoff wrote:

> At least the random shyte tyre commentators have a clue about spelling,
> grammar, and word usage.

you fucking useless ass licker
fuck do you suck shit

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 7:01:02 PM UTC-6, geoff wrote:

> At least the random shyte tyre commentators have a clue about spelling,
> grammar, and word usage.

thanks for chiming in.
can you be anymore gay?

On 2021-06-09 6:03 p.m., geoff wrote:
> On 10/06/2021 12:05 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
>> On 10/06/2021 1:22 am, D Munz wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 1:20:36 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> Let's bring this back to the facts:
>>>>
>>>> Three cars had damage to their left rear tires.
>>>>
>>>> Two of them suffered failure, so we don't yet know what caused the
>>>> damage in the first place.
>>>>
>>>> Two separate sources report that the third—Lewis Hamilton's—had a deep
>>>> cut in the tire.
>>>>
>>>
>>> At the risk of popping my head up for target practice...
>>>
>>> I wonder if someone is looking at racing lines and track conditions.
>>> If they all had a similar cut, it's possible that some defect on the
>>> track damaged the tire as opposed to the generic "debris." It should
>>> be easy to see if there were a bit of wire poking out of a curb or
>>> some such and all three cars took the same line across that
>>> particular bit of track.
>>>
>>> That seems more plausible to me than the same damage occurring from
>>> random bits spread over a lap.
>>>
>>> FWIW
>>> DLM
>>
>> I thought about that scenario but personally think that the cut in
>> Hamiltons tyre (that they oddly haven't shown pics of) is a red
>> herring thrown in by Pirelli in an attempt to take speculation away
>> from the chance that it was their construction at fault.
>
> And that 18 of the same tyres lasted for as long or longer without
> problems ?

Yup. I wonder why people keep ignoring that (but I believe it was 14
cars that went as long or longer than Stroll without trouble):

Lando Norris C3 (41)
Charles Leclerc C3 (39)
Yuki Tsunoda C3 (39)
Nicholas Latifi C3 (39)
Carlos Sainz Jnr C3 (38)
Pierre Gasly C3 (37)
Daniel Ricciardo C3 (37)
Lewis Hamilton C3 (37)
Valtteri Bottas C3 (36)
Sergio Perez C3 (35)
Kimi Raikkonen C3 (35)
George Russell C3 (33)
Max Verstappen C3 (33)
Antonio Giovinazzi C3 (32)
Sebastian Vettel C3 (30)

On 2021-06-09 5:05 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
> On 10/06/2021 1:22 am, D Munz wrote:
>> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 1:20:36 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>
>>> Let's bring this back to the facts:
>>>
>>> Three cars had damage to their left rear tires.
>>>
>>> Two of them suffered failure, so we don't yet know what caused the
>>> damage in the first place.
>>>
>>> Two separate sources report that the third—Lewis Hamilton's—had a deep
>>> cut in the tire.
>>>
>>
>> At the risk of popping my head up for target practice...
>>
>> I wonder if someone is looking at racing lines and track conditions.
>> If they all had a similar cut, it's possible that some defect on the
>> track damaged the tire as opposed to the generic "debris." It should
>> be easy to see if there were a bit of wire poking out of a curb or
>> some such and all three cars took the same line across that particular
>> bit of track.
>>
>> That seems more plausible to me than the same damage occurring from
>> random bits spread over a lap.
>>
>> FWIW
>> DLM
>
> I thought about that scenario but personally think that the cut in
> Hamiltons tyre (that they oddly haven't shown pics of) is a red herring
> thrown in by Pirelli in an attempt to take speculation away from the
> chance that it was their construction at fault.

Lando Norris C3 (41)
Charles Leclerc C3 (39)
Yuki Tsunoda C3 (39)
Nicholas Latifi C3 (39)
Carlos Sainz Jnr C3 (38)
Pierre Gasly C3 (37)
Daniel Ricciardo C3 (37)
Lewis Hamilton C3 (37)
Valtteri Bottas C3 (36)
Sergio Perez C3 (35)
Kimi Raikkonen C3 (35)
George Russell C3 (33)
Antonio Giovinazzi C3 (32)
Sebastian Vettel C3 (30)

Care to tell us why those drivers had no problems if it was the
construction that was at fault?