AUSTRALIAN GP CANCELLED

Victoria has an disgusting, egotistical, megalomaniac as leader.

Grrrrrr,
build.

On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:39:18 PM UTC-6, build wrote:
> AUSTRALIAN GP CANCELLED
>
> Victoria has an disgusting, egotistical, megalomaniac as leader.
>
> Grrrrrr,
> build.

the world opens up
and AU locks down

On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 11:39:18 AM UTC+10, build wrote:
> AUSTRALIAN GP CANCELLED
>
> Victoria has an disgusting, egotistical, megalomaniac as leader.

In the State of Victoria, that is.
If only our national leader could overrule these State leaders the GP would go ahead. The plan put forward by F1 and the AGPC was absolutely flawless in every detail.
>
> Grrrrrr,
> build.

On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 9:46:34 AM UTC+8, build wrote:

> If only our national leader could overrule these State leaders the GP would go ahead. The plan put forward by F1 and the AGPC was absolutely flawless in every detail.
Perhaps they are not trusting the F1 circus to abide by the rules. Just had a bunch of rugby league players holding an illegal party during lockdown. They hid in the wardrobe and under the bed when the cops turned up.

On 6/07/2021 11:46 am, build wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 11:39:18 AM UTC+10, build wrote:
>> AUSTRALIAN GP CANCELLED
>>
>> Victoria has an disgusting, egotistical, megalomaniac as leader.
>
> In the State of Victoria, that is.
> If only our national leader could overrule these State leaders the GP would go ahead. The plan put forward by F1 and the AGPC was absolutely flawless in every detail.
>>
>> Grrrrrr,
>> build.

Nothing to do with Victoria, it's all about quarantine and that's a
federal matter. AFAIK, the feds aren't willing to give a special
exemption for an F1 "Bubble".

On 7/5/2021 6:44 PM, texas gate wrote:
> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:39:18 PM UTC-6, build wrote:
>> AUSTRALIAN GP CANCELLED
>>
>> Victoria has an disgusting, egotistical, megalomaniac as leader.
>>
>> Grrrrrr,
>> build.
>
> the world opens up
> and AU locks down
>
Yeah. And they keep telling us about the
wonders of a national health care system
that does this badly and slow.
Pathetic.
Around here in Washington USA, we are at 70% vaccinated
and any person over 12 can freely get it NOW!

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/05/australias-covid-recovery-plans-remain-uncertain-due-to-delta-variant.html

Includes:
"Australia’s Covid recovery plans remain uncertain as it tries
to contain the delta variant
PUBLISHED MON, JUL 5 20213:41 AM EDT
Saheli Roy Choudhury

KEY POINTS
A recent spike in Covid cases has Australian authorities scrambling
to contain the delta variant, which was first detected in India.
Several major cities were locked down last week, including Sydney —
the state capital of Australia’s most populous state, New South
Wales, and home to more than five million residents.---

Unlike its peers in North America and Europe, Australia’s
vaccine rollout has been sluggish and chaotic. At the moment,
only the Pfizer-BioNTech and Oxford-AstraZeneca shots are approved
for use, and both require two doses for full immunization.

Statistics compiled by online publication Our World In Data showed
just 7.1% of the population has received two vaccine doses.

On 7/6/2021 10:47 AM, a425couple wrote:
> On 7/5/2021 6:44 PM, texas gate wrote:
>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:39:18 PM UTC-6, build wrote:
>>> AUSTRALIAN GP CANCELLED
>>>
>>> Victoria has an disgusting, egotistical, megalomaniac as leader.
>>>
>>> Grrrrrr, build.
>>
>> the world opens up and AU locks down
>>
> Yeah. And they keep telling us about the wonders of a national
> health care system that does this badly and slow. Pathetic. Around
> here in Washington USA, we are at 70% vaccinated and any person over
> 12 can freely get it NOW!

Two questions:

What percentage of those vaccinations were delivered at government sites
versus existing for-profit medical facilities?

Who paid for the vaccinations to make them free to the patients?

--
Mark Jackson - https://mark-jackson.online/
We rejected the inclusion of burnout in DSM-IV, because it is
inherent to the human condition, not a psychiatric disorder.
- Allen Frances

On 7/6/2021 7:53 AM, Mark Jackson wrote:
> On 7/6/2021 10:47 AM, a425couple wrote:
>> On 7/5/2021 6:44 PM, texas gate wrote:
>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:39:18 PM UTC-6, build wrote:
>>>> AUSTRALIAN GP CANCELLED
>>>>
>>>> Victoria has an disgusting, egotistical, megalomaniac as leader.
>>>>
>>>> Grrrrrr, build.
>>>
>>> the world opens up and AU locks down
>>>
>> Yeah.  And they keep telling us about the wonders of a national
>> health care system that does this badly and slow. Pathetic. Around
>> here in Washington USA, we are at 70% vaccinated and any person over
>> 12 can freely get it NOW!
>
> Two questions:
>
> What percentage of those vaccinations were delivered at government sites
> versus existing for-profit medical facilities?
>
> Who paid for the vaccinations to make them free to the patients?
>
I do not know what percent has been done where.

They were all 'free' to the patient.
The US Federal government is funding it all.
No cost to patient at medical clinics, drug stores,
doctor's offices, or big pop-up factory like clinics.

My wife and I got ours in Jan & Feb 2021 by
going to our health care providers big corporate
office 'lunchroom & lobby & meeting area'
for a factory like production line.
Another friend got hers 2 weeks later by going
to a nearby big box store that had a drug store.

On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 11:19:17 AM UTC-4, a425couple wrote:
> On 7/6/2021 7:53 AM, Mark Jackson wrote:
> > On 7/6/2021 10:47 AM, a425couple wrote:
> >> On 7/5/2021 6:44 PM, texas gate wrote:
> >>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:39:18 PM UTC-6, build wrote:
> >>>> AUSTRALIAN GP CANCELLED
> >>>>
> >>>> Victoria has an disgusting, egotistical, megalomaniac as leader.
> >>>>
> >>>> Grrrrrr, build.
> >>>
> >>> the world opens up and AU locks down
> >>>
> >> Yeah. And they keep telling us about the wonders of a national
> >> health care system that does this badly and slow. Pathetic. Around
> >> here in Washington USA, we are at 70% vaccinated and any person over
> >> 12 can freely get it NOW!
> >
> > Two questions:
> >
> > What percentage of those vaccinations were delivered at government sites
> > versus existing for-profit medical facilities?
> >
> > Who paid for the vaccinations to make them free to the patients?
> >
> I do not know what percent has been done where.
>
> They were all 'free' to the patient.
> The US Federal government is funding it all.
> No cost to patient at medical clinics, drug stores,
> doctor's offices, or big pop-up factory like clinics.
>
> My wife and I got ours in Jan & Feb 2021 by
> going to our health care providers big corporate
> office 'lunchroom & lobby & meeting area'
> for a factory like production line.
> Another friend got hers 2 weeks later by going
> to a nearby big box store that had a drug store.

I got both of my Pfizer shots in April/May at a former Bon Ton department store in Lancaster, PA.
It was a fairly organized operation that vaccinated thousands/day at its peak.

Dan

On 2021-07-06 7:47 a.m., a425couple wrote:
> On 7/5/2021 6:44 PM, texas gate wrote:
>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:39:18 PM UTC-6, build wrote:
>>> AUSTRALIAN GP CANCELLED
>>>
>>> Victoria has an disgusting, egotistical, megalomaniac as leader.
>>>
>>> Grrrrrr,
>>> build.
>>
>> the world opens up
>> and AU locks down
>>
> Yeah.  And they keep telling us about the
> wonders of a national health care system
> that does this badly and slow.
> Pathetic.
> Around here in Washington USA, we are at 70% vaccinated
> and any person over 12 can freely get it NOW!

Ummmmm... ...how do you "freely" get a vaccine...

....without some socialistic medicine?

>
> https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/05/australias-covid-recovery-plans-remain-uncertain-due-to-delta-variant.html
>
>
> Includes:
> "Australia’s Covid recovery plans remain uncertain as it tries
> to contain the delta variant
> PUBLISHED MON, JUL 5 20213:41 AM EDT
> Saheli Roy Choudhury
>
> KEY POINTS
> A recent spike in Covid cases has Australian authorities scrambling
> to contain the delta variant, which was first detected in India.
> Several major cities were locked down last week, including Sydney —
> the state capital of Australia’s most populous state, New South
> Wales, and home to more than five million residents.---
>
> Unlike its peers in North America and Europe, Australia’s
> vaccine rollout has been sluggish and chaotic. At the moment,
> only the Pfizer-BioNTech and Oxford-AstraZeneca shots are approved
> for use, and both require two doses for full immunization.
>
> Statistics compiled by online publication Our World In Data showed
> just 7.1% of the population has received two vaccine doses.

On 7/6/2021 9:43 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-07-06 7:47 a.m., a425couple wrote:
>> On 7/5/2021 6:44 PM, texas gate wrote:
>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:39:18 PM UTC-6, build wrote:
>>>> AUSTRALIAN GP CANCELLED
>>>>
>>>> Victoria has an disgusting, egotistical, megalomaniac as leader.
>>>>
>>>> Grrrrrr,
>>>> build.
>>>
>>> the world opens up
>>> and AU locks down
>>>
>> Yeah.  And they keep telling us about the
>> wonders of a national health care system
>> that does this badly and slow.
>> Pathetic.
>> Around here in Washington USA, we are at 70% vaccinated
>> and any person over 12 can freely get it NOW!
>
> Ummmmm... ...how do you "freely" get a vaccine...
>
> ...without some socialistic medicine?
>

Some 'projects' and problems are best done at the
big government level.
Approaching major pharmaceutical companies and
underwriting the cost of a new vaccine could
only be done at a 'big' government level.

That is VERY different than nationalizing an
entire major and generally well functioning
industry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed

meanwhile
https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/covid-19-update-for-july-3-4-fraser-health-to-set-up-vaccine-clinics-at-popular-beaches-84-cases-two-deaths-outbreak-over-at-minoru-residence

How long is your PM going to keep the border
shut down?
Way to injure your own tourist industry!
And, even if you wanted to race at a different track than
your tiny Mission, you could not, by government whim.
Our racing season has been going quite well.

"1:15 p.m. – Vaccine uptake needed to reopen border will be
tough to meet: economist

he federal government wants to see 75 per cent of Canada’s population
immunized against COVID-19 with two doses before lifting international
travel restrictions and opening the border.

It’s a threshold that will be tough to meet, particularly in Alberta,
where nearly a quarter of people eligible for a shot still haven’t
received a dose, said University of Calgary economist Trevor Tombe."
>>
>> https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/05/australias-covid-recovery-plans-remain-uncertain-due-to-delta-variant.html
>>
>>
>> Includes:
>> "Australia’s Covid recovery plans remain uncertain as it tries
>> to contain the delta variant
>> PUBLISHED MON, JUL 5 20213:41 AM EDT
>> Saheli Roy Choudhury
>>
>> KEY POINTS
>> A recent spike in Covid cases has Australian authorities scrambling
>> to contain the delta variant, which was first detected in India.
>> Several major cities were locked down last week, including Sydney —
>> the state capital of Australia’s most populous state, New South
>> Wales, and home to more than five million residents.---
>>
>> Unlike its peers in North America and Europe, Australia’s
>> vaccine rollout has been sluggish and chaotic. At the moment,
>> only the Pfizer-BioNTech and Oxford-AstraZeneca shots are approved
>> for use, and both require two doses for full immunization.
>>
>> Statistics compiled by online publication Our World In Data showed
>> just 7.1% of the population has received two vaccine doses.
>

a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/5/2021 6:44 PM, texas gate wrote:
>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:39:18 PM UTC-6, build wrote:
>>> AUSTRALIAN GP CANCELLED
>>>
>>> Victoria has an disgusting, egotistical, megalomaniac as leader.
>>>
>>> Grrrrrr,
>>> build.
>>
>> the world opens up
>> and AU locks down
>>
> Yeah. And they keep telling us about the
> wonders of a national health care system
> that does this badly and slow.
> Pathetic.
> Around here in Washington USA, we are at 70% vaccinated
> and any person over 12 can freely get it NOW!
>
Do you mean you can freely get it or you can get it free?

(Not that anything is “free” - our NHS is paid for through taxation of
course)

--
Sir Tim

On 2021-07-06 10:14 a.m., a425couple wrote:
> On 7/6/2021 9:43 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-07-06 7:47 a.m., a425couple wrote:
>>> On 7/5/2021 6:44 PM, texas gate wrote:
>>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:39:18 PM UTC-6, build wrote:
>>>>> AUSTRALIAN GP CANCELLED
>>>>>
>>>>> Victoria has an disgusting, egotistical, megalomaniac as leader.
>>>>>
>>>>> Grrrrrr,
>>>>> build.
>>>>
>>>> the world opens up
>>>> and AU locks down
>>>>
>>> Yeah.  And they keep telling us about the
>>> wonders of a national health care system
>>> that does this badly and slow.
>>> Pathetic.
>>> Around here in Washington USA, we are at 70% vaccinated
>>> and any person over 12 can freely get it NOW!
>>
>> Ummmmm... ...how do you "freely" get a vaccine...
>>
>> ...without some socialistic medicine?
>>
>
> Some 'projects' and problems are best done at the
> big government level.
> Approaching major pharmaceutical companies and
> underwriting the cost of a new vaccine could
> only be done at a 'big' government level.
>
> That is VERY different than nationalizing an
> entire major and generally well functioning
> industry.

And what industry has been "nationalized" here in Canada?

>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed
>
> meanwhile
> https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/covid-19-update-for-july-3-4-fraser-health-to-set-up-vaccine-clinics-at-popular-beaches-84-cases-two-deaths-outbreak-over-at-minoru-residence
>

Washington: population 7.615 million; 5,987 deaths from COVID-19

That's 786 deaths per million people.

British Columbia: population 5.071 million; 1,759 deaths from COVID-19

That's 347 deaths per million.

>
> How long is your PM going to keep the border
> shut down?

How many more Washington citizens will die? You're averaging about 7 a
day right now.

> Way to injure your own tourist industry!
> And, even if you wanted to race at a different track than
> your tiny Mission, you could not, by government whim.
> Our racing season has been going quite well.

And you are killing people for it.

>
> "1:15 p.m. – Vaccine uptake needed to reopen border will be
> tough to meet: economist
>
> he federal government wants to see 75 per cent of Canada’s population
> immunized against COVID-19 with two doses before lifting international
> travel restrictions and opening the border.
>
> It’s a threshold that will be tough to meet, particularly in Alberta,
> where nearly a quarter of people eligible for a shot still haven’t
> received a dose, said University of Calgary economist Trevor Tombe."

Ignorance is tough to deal with that's certain.

On 2021-07-06 8:18 a.m., a425couple wrote:
> On 7/6/2021 7:53 AM, Mark Jackson wrote:
>> On 7/6/2021 10:47 AM, a425couple wrote:
>>> On 7/5/2021 6:44 PM, texas gate wrote:
>>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:39:18 PM UTC-6, build wrote:
>>>>> AUSTRALIAN GP CANCELLED
>>>>>
>>>>> Victoria has an disgusting, egotistical, megalomaniac as leader.
>>>>>
>>>>> Grrrrrr, build.
>>>>
>>>> the world opens up and AU locks down
>>>>
>>> Yeah.  And they keep telling us about the wonders of a national
>>> health care system that does this badly and slow. Pathetic. Around
>>> here in Washington USA, we are at 70% vaccinated and any person over
>>> 12 can freely get it NOW!
>>
>> Two questions:
>>
>> What percentage of those vaccinations were delivered at government
>> sites versus existing for-profit medical facilities?
>>
>> Who paid for the vaccinations to make them free to the patients?
>>
> I do not know what percent has been done where.
>
> They were all 'free' to the patient.
> The US Federal government is funding it all.
> No cost to patient at medical clinics, drug stores,
> doctor's offices, or big pop-up factory like clinics.

Sounds like socialism to me.

>
> My wife and I got ours in Jan & Feb 2021 by
> going to our health care providers big corporate
> office 'lunchroom & lobby & meeting area'
> for a factory like production line.
> Another friend got hers 2 weeks later by going
> to a nearby big box store that had a drug store.

On 7/6/2021 10:14 AM, a425couple wrote:
> On 7/6/2021 9:43 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-07-06 7:47 a.m., a425couple wrote:
>>> On 7/5/2021 6:44 PM, texas gate wrote:
>>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:39:18 PM UTC-6, build wrote:
>>>>> AUSTRALIAN GP CANCELLED
>>>>>
>>>>> Victoria has an disgusting, egotistical, megalomaniac as leader.
>>>>>
>>>>> Grrrrrr,
>>>>> build.
>>>>
>>>> the world opens up
>>>> and AU locks down
>>>>
>>> Yeah.  And they keep telling us about the
>>> wonders of a national health care system
>>> that does this badly and slow.
>>> Pathetic.
>>> Around here in Washington USA, we are at 70% vaccinated
>>> and any person over 12 can freely get it NOW!
>>
>> Ummmmm... ...how do you "freely" get a vaccine...
>>
>> ...without some socialistic medicine?
>>
>
> Some 'projects' and problems are best done at the
> big government level.
> Approaching major pharmaceutical companies and
> underwriting the cost of a new vaccine could
> only be done at a 'big' government level.
>
> That is VERY different than nationalizing an
> entire major and generally well functioning
> industry.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed
>
> meanwhile
> https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/covid-19-update-for-july-3-4-fraser-health-to-set-up-vaccine-clinics-at-popular-beaches-84-cases-two-deaths-outbreak-over-at-minoru-residence
>
>
> How long is your PM going to keep the border
> shut down?
> Way to injure your own tourist industry!
> And, even if you wanted to race at a different track than
> your tiny Mission, you could not, by government whim.
> Our racing season has been going quite well.
>
> "1:15 p.m. – Vaccine uptake needed to reopen border will be
> tough to meet: economist
> The federal government wants to see 75 per cent of Canada’s population
> immunized against COVID-19 with two doses before lifting international
> travel restrictions and opening the border. ---
>
Are you serious Alan.
Your little track Mission (1.4 miles) held a race
weekend, 12 & 13 June 2021.
They crammed in 3 (yes, as in three!) Open Wheel Races.
It appears that only 3 drivers showed up,
(Grandholm, Stec, and Lenson, all fine and good drivers).
Then Grandholm went home, and only two cars raced
around the track.
https://www.sccbc.net/racers/results/?mylaps=type,run,runid,6130908
Seriously, what a waste of time and effort.

So Alan, when did you get vaccinated?

What do you think of your 'mother-may-I'
government not allowing you to travel down
to our races?

On 2021-07-06 10:57 a.m., a425couple wrote:
> On 7/6/2021 10:14 AM, a425couple wrote:
>> On 7/6/2021 9:43 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-07-06 7:47 a.m., a425couple wrote:
>>>> On 7/5/2021 6:44 PM, texas gate wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:39:18 PM UTC-6, build wrote:
>>>>>> AUSTRALIAN GP CANCELLED
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Victoria has an disgusting, egotistical, megalomaniac as leader.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Grrrrrr,
>>>>>> build.
>>>>>
>>>>> the world opens up
>>>>> and AU locks down
>>>>>
>>>> Yeah.  And they keep telling us about the
>>>> wonders of a national health care system
>>>> that does this badly and slow.
>>>> Pathetic.
>>>> Around here in Washington USA, we are at 70% vaccinated
>>>> and any person over 12 can freely get it NOW!
>>>
>>> Ummmmm... ...how do you "freely" get a vaccine...
>>>
>>> ...without some socialistic medicine?
>>>
>>
>> Some 'projects' and problems are best done at the
>> big government level.
>> Approaching major pharmaceutical companies and
>> underwriting the cost of a new vaccine could
>> only be done at a 'big' government level.
>>
>> That is VERY different than nationalizing an
>> entire major and generally well functioning
>> industry.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed
>>
>> meanwhile
>> https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/covid-19-update-for-july-3-4-fraser-health-to-set-up-vaccine-clinics-at-popular-beaches-84-cases-two-deaths-outbreak-over-at-minoru-residence
>>
>>
>> How long is your PM going to keep the border
>> shut down?
>> Way to injure your own tourist industry!
>> And, even if you wanted to race at a different track than
>> your tiny Mission, you could not, by government whim.
>> Our racing season has been going quite well.
>>
>> "1:15 p.m. – Vaccine uptake needed to reopen border will be
>> tough to meet: economist
>> The federal government wants to see 75 per cent of Canada’s population
>> immunized against COVID-19 with two doses before lifting international
>> travel restrictions and opening the border. ---
> Are you serious Alan.
> Your little track Mission (1.4 miles) held a race
> weekend, 12 & 13 June 2021.
> They crammed in 3 (yes, as in three!) Open Wheel Races.
> It appears that only 3 drivers showed up,
> (Grandholm, Stec, and Lenson, all fine and good drivers).
> Then Grandholm went home, and only two cars raced
> around the track.
> https://www.sccbc.net/racers/results/?mylaps=type,run,runid,6130908
> Seriously, what a waste of time and effort.

And there were a lot of restrictions on that race, Lee.

And it was all so people wouldn't get sick and die.

>
> So Alan, when did you get vaccinated?

May 5, and I would have had my second dose yesterday, but I had to cancel.

>
> What do you think of your 'mother-may-I'
> government not allowing you to travel down
> to our races?

I think we've managed to save a lot of lives.

I can't help noticing you're "replying" to your own post and avoiding my
reply and the points made in it.

On 7/6/2021 10:23 AM, Sir Tim wrote:
> a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 7/5/2021 6:44 PM, texas gate wrote:
>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:39:18 PM UTC-6, build wrote:
>>>> AUSTRALIAN GP CANCELLED
>>>>
>>>> Victoria has an disgusting, egotistical, megalomaniac as leader.
>>>>
>>>> Grrrrrr,
>>>> build.
>>>
>>> the world opens up
>>> and AU locks down
>>>
>> Yeah. And they keep telling us about the
>> wonders of a national health care system
>> that does this badly and slow.
>> Pathetic.
>> Around here in Washington USA, we are at 70% vaccinated
>> and any person over 12 can freely get it NOW!
>>
> Do you mean you can freely get it or you can get it free?
>
Both ways. There is plenty of vaccines, and vaccination
capacity available, and it costs the patient nothing.

> (Not that anything is “free” - our NHS is paid for through taxation of
> course)
>
Yes. There is no such thing as a free lunch.

I am sorry for you that you in the UK lost
127,958 deaths due to Covid-19, which is
1,914 deaths per million, with what you consider
good national health care.
I am glad for you that you are getting on with
life and holding your F1 race soon.

Here in the USA we sadly lost 602,802 deaths due
to Covid, which is a smaller 1,836 deaths per million.
Choices, individual and governmental, for good and bad.

On 2021-07-06 1:25 p.m., a425couple wrote:
> On 7/6/2021 10:23 AM, Sir Tim wrote:
>> a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 7/5/2021 6:44 PM, texas gate wrote:
>>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:39:18 PM UTC-6, build wrote:
>>>>> AUSTRALIAN GP CANCELLED
>>>>>
>>>>> Victoria has an disgusting, egotistical, megalomaniac as leader.
>>>>>
>>>>> Grrrrrr,
>>>>> build.
>>>>
>>>> the world opens up
>>>> and AU locks down
>>>>
>>> Yeah.  And they keep telling us about the
>>> wonders of a national health care system
>>> that does this badly and slow.
>>> Pathetic.
>>> Around here in Washington USA, we are at 70% vaccinated
>>> and any person over 12 can freely get it NOW!
>>>
>> Do you mean you can freely get it or you can get it free?
>>
> Both ways.  There is plenty of vaccines, and vaccination
> capacity available, and it costs the patient nothing.

So... ...socialism.

>
>> (Not that anything is “free” - our NHS is paid for through taxation of
>> course)
>>
> Yes.  There is no such thing as a free lunch.
>
> I am sorry for you that you in the UK lost
> 127,958 deaths due to Covid-19, which is
> 1,914 deaths per million, with what you consider
> good national health care.
> I am glad for you that you are getting on with
> life and holding your F1 race soon.
>
> Here in the USA we sadly lost 602,802 deaths due
> to Covid, which is a smaller 1,836 deaths per million.
> Choices, individual and governmental, for good and bad.

Nearly as many with a much greater opportunity to have saved yourself
many of those deaths...

....but you had an incompetent as a president.

Canada has had 701 deaths per million, Lee.

On 7/5/2021 6:46 PM, build wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 11:39:18 AM UTC+10, build wrote:
>> AUSTRALIAN GP CANCELLED
>>
>> Victoria has an disgusting, egotistical, megalomaniac as leader.
>
> In the State of Victoria, that is.
> If only our national leader could overrule these State leaders the GP would go ahead. The plan put forward by F1 and the AGPC was absolutely flawless in every detail.
>>
>> Grrrrrr,
>> build.

Some Australians are getting real upset, from

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/27/australia/sydney-lockdown-australia-covid-pandemic-intl-cmd/index.html

Sydney in lockdown, borders shut and hardly anyone vaccinated.
How long can Australia go on like this?

By Angela Dewan, CNN

Updated 11:46 PM ET, Mon June 28, 2021

(CNN)In the window of a vintage shop in the Sydney suburb of Annandale,
a sign expresses the frustration of many Australians with their
country's pandemic strategy.

"Dear Customers, We will be closed for the foreseeable future because
Scott Morrison is a useless dickhead who only ordered enough vaccine to
vaccinate 4% of the population 18 months into a pandemic," reads the
sign, shared on Twitter, in reference to the Australian Prime Minister.
Artist James Powditch put up the testy sign at the Roulette store and
art studio he runs on Saturday, as the city of 5 million people, plus
towns and cities in its surrounds, went into yet another hard lockdown,
this time for two whole weeks. By Sunday, a cluster of coronavirus
infections of the Delta variant that began in Sydney's Bondi
neighborhood had grown to 110 cases.

Dear @ScottMorrisonMP the 4% of Sydney fully vaccinated and the
other 96% who are not, thank you for your contribution to this
lockdown. It couldn't of happened without you!
#covidnsw #sydneycovid #sydneylockdown #nswpol #auspol
pic.twitter.com/8XhaQlTgqR

— James Powditch (@james_powditch) June 26, 2021
Australia was celebrated for its initial response to the Covid-19
pandemic, and for getting its economy more or less back on track long ago.
But with that security has come complacency, particularly in the federal
government, which failed to secure enough vaccine doses to prevent the
regular "circuit breaker" lockdowns that come every time a handful of
cases emerge, or even the longer restrictions that Sydney is
experiencing now. Australia's borders, controlled by strict quarantine
measures, have been all but shut for more than a year.
Now Australians, who basked in their early successes, are wondering how
much longer this can go on.
"We can't leave the country, people can't come in, and we end up
periodically in lockdowns, which cost a friggin' fortune," said Powditch.
"People have been accepting that this is a diabolically difficult
situation, but once we start watching the rest of the world open up,
we're going to turn to anger over the way things like vaccines have been
rolled out here."
Already there are signs that Australians are getting weary of these
sporadic disruptions to their lives. On Sunday, large crowds were seen
on Bondi Beach, despite the stay-at-home orders. While outdoor exercise
is allowed, images from Bondi showed people bathing in the winter sun
and sitting on benches with drinks.

People visit Bondi Beach in Sydney, Australia, during a city-wide
lockdown on Sunday.

A 48-hour lockdown was also imposed in parts of Australia's Northern
Territory, including its capital, Darwin, after four Covid-19 cases were
linked to a worker at a gold mine. He is believed to have become
infected during an overnight stay at a quarantine hotel in Brisbane. Now
painstaking efforts to trace all 900 workers who have left the mine for
cities across Australia over recent days are under way, as the country
relies heavily on a robust track-and-trace system to keep clusters
contained.

Vaccine hesitancy
Australia has recorded just 910 deaths in its population of 25 million,
one of the lowest per capita death tolls in the developed world, and
cases have remained low as well.
While it beat much of the world in getting its economy back up and
running, its tourism sector has taken a massive hit, its universities
are struggling without the fees international students usually bring and
some Australians, who travel abroad in relatively high numbers, are
starting to feel the itch to go on holidays overseas.

Even New Zealand -- the only country with which Australians had an open
travel corridor -- announced a three-day suspension of quarantine-free
travel between the nations starting Saturday because of the outbreaks.

Australia has fully vaccinated just over 4% of its population, compared
with more than 46% in the US and 47% in the UK, according to Our World
in Data. Its rates are more comparable with Indonesia and India, which,
like much of the developing world, were left out of the agreements with
pharmaceutical companies that secured hundreds of millions of vaccine
doses for most of the rich world.
Compounding the problem is hesitancy towards Covid-19 vaccines in
Australia. One survey by The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age, with
research firm Resolve Strategic, found 15% of adults surveyed were "not
at all likely" and 14% were "not very likely" to take a vaccination in
the months ahead. The survey was taken after an April ruling that the
Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine was linked to a very rare blood disorder side
effect, involving blood clots.

Australian officials have said they hope to reach herd immunity -- the
point at which about 80% of the population is vaccinated -- before
reopening its borders. Prime Minister Morrison earlier said that may not
be until mid-2022. More recently, he was even unable to commit to a
Christmas 2022 reopening.

Police officers walk past the Sydney Opera House during the first day of
lockdown on Saturday.

In a question to the Prime Minister, journalists on Channel 9's Today
program on Thursday suggested that Morrison and his slow vaccine rollout
were responsible for the ongoing lockdowns.
Morrison replied by saying an increase in supply "will really kick in
next month in July," and that 600,000 Pfizer doses were due in next week.
"The challenge we've had, of course, has been with AstraZeneca. I mean,
the medical advice has restricted its availability to those over 60, and
prior to that over 50. Now, that was a big shock to the rollout and they
are events outside of the government's control," he said, adding there
were new supply arrangements with AstraZeneca, Pfizer and Moderna.
"So, we'll keep working towards that goal, by the end of the year, of
offering that vaccine to everybody who would want one and there will be
an escalating ramp-up as we move through the second half of the year,"
he said.

Can't get in, can't get out
The government has also been criticized for leaving about 36,000
Australians stranded overseas. Caps on arrivals to the country have made
booking seats on flights difficult and expensive, and the cost of
quarantine is in the thousands of dollars. It's the responsibility of
the person arriving to foot the bill.
It's just as hard for some living in Australia to get out. If someone
from overseas has Australian citizenship or permanent residence, they
need a government exemption to leave the country.

The result is not just holidays lost, but lost time with family and friends.
At the last census in 2016, around half the people living in Australia
were either born abroad or had at least one parent born overseas.
One Brisbane resident from Canada, who is working in a hospital in
health care, is hoping a speedier vaccine program will mean fewer border
controls and, hopefully, a trip back home.
"I'm originally from Canada, and don't know when I will see my family
again. Honestly, I think at least 2 years," the health care worker wrote
in a message to CNN.

"We're so frustrated! The vaccination process is ridiculous. I'm a
health care worker in the top list of people and there was so much
confusion. We were told to email and that we'd be contacted when our
appointment was ... then we're told just to show up because that program
was actually not recording anything," she said.

"It's still only open to [people age] 50+ even though spreaders are
averaging 20-30 years of age. We're sick of lockdowns, knowing the
vaccine is out there."
And for some residents with strong ties abroad, there are more serious
implications to this global isolation.
Katerina Vavrinec, a 34-year-old from the Czech Republic living in
Sydney, said she has sought counseling for mental health issues arising
from the separation from her friends and family, and the anxiety that
has come with it. She hasn't been to her home city of Prague for three
years.
"Keeping borders shut is going to have a huge impact on people's mental
health," she said, pointing to the high number of Australians with
family ties overseas. "So this is going to have huge impact on the
mental health of millions of people."
Vavrinec is on maternity leave and due to return to work in just over a
week, though she's not sure what that will look like in lockdown. But
she's found a silver lining.
"I'm actually quite happy that we're in lockdown because I've been quite
frustrated with the indefinite border closures. So I'm hoping that the
lockdown forces people to realize that completely isolating Australia
from rest of the world is not going to get us out of this."
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On 7/07/2021 9:33 am, a425couple wrote:
<snip>
> Can't get in, can't get out
> The government has also been criticized for leaving about 36,000 Australians stranded overseas.
> Caps on arrivals to the country have made booking seats on flights difficult and expensive, and the
> cost of quarantine is in the thousands of dollars. It's the responsibility of the person arriving
> to foot the bill.
> It's just as hard for some living in Australia to get out. If someone from overseas has Australian
> citizenship or permanent residence, they need a government exemption to leave the country.
>
> The result is not just holidays lost, but lost time with family and friends.
> At the last census in 2016, around half the people living in Australia were either born abroad or
> had at least one parent born overseas.
> One Brisbane resident from Canada, who is working in a hospital in health care, is hoping a
> speedier vaccine program will mean fewer border controls and, hopefully, a trip back home.
> "I'm originally from Canada, and don't know when I will see my family again. Honestly, I think at
> least 2 years," the health care worker wrote in a message to CNN.
>
> "We're so frustrated! The vaccination process is ridiculous. I'm a health care worker in the top
> list of people and there was so much confusion. We were told to email and that we'd be contacted
> when our appointment was ... then we're told just to show up because that program was actually not
> recording anything," she said.
>
> "It's still only open to [people age] 50+ even though spreaders are averaging 20-30 years of age.
> We're sick of lockdowns, knowing the vaccine is out there."
> And for some residents with strong ties abroad, there are more serious implications to this global
> isolation.
> Katerina Vavrinec, a 34-year-old from the Czech Republic living in Sydney, said she has sought
> counseling for mental health issues arising from the separation from her friends and family, and
> the anxiety that has come with it. She hasn't been to her home city of Prague for three years.
> "Keeping borders shut is going to have a huge impact on people's mental health," she said, pointing
> to the high number of Australians with family ties overseas. "So this is going to have huge impact
> on the mental health of millions of people."
> Vavrinec is on maternity leave and due to return to work in just over a week, though she's not sure
> what that will look like in lockdown. But she's found a silver lining.
> "I'm actually quite happy that we're in lockdown because I've been quite frustrated with the
> indefinite border closures. So I'm hoping that the lockdown forces people to realize that
> completely isolating Australia from rest of the world is not going to get us out of this."

Anyone who expected the previous state of cheap airfares around the world to continue forever was
living in cloud cuckoo land anyway. People need to take a minute and think about how feasible it is
to travel halfway around the globe in a jet airliner just to visit family.

When my family and I came to New Zealand in the early 1970s (6 weeks aboard a ship that sailed via
Cape Town and Fremantle) we understood that, leaving England we'd be unlikely to see extended
family again much if at all. I haven't been back, not because I couldn't afford it previously, just
because it's an unsustainable thing to do. If I were to go back it would only be if I were going to
stay, not just for tea and scones.

Since I've been here I've flown to Aus once and to Norfolk Island once (to live and work there for
a year).
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville

This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.

On 7/07/2021 6:25 am, a425couple wrote:
> On 7/6/2021 10:23 AM, Sir Tim wrote:
>> a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 7/5/2021 6:44 PM, texas gate wrote:
>>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:39:18 PM UTC-6, build wrote:
>>>>> AUSTRALIAN GP CANCELLED
>>>>>
>>>>> Victoria has an disgusting, egotistical, megalomaniac as leader.
>>>>>
>>>>> Grrrrrr,
>>>>> build.
>>>>
>>>> the world opens up
>>>> and AU locks down
>>>>
>>> Yeah.  And they keep telling us about the
>>> wonders of a national health care system
>>> that does this badly and slow.
>>> Pathetic.
>>> Around here in Washington USA, we are at 70% vaccinated
>>> and any person over 12 can freely get it NOW!
>>>
>> Do you mean you can freely get it or you can get it free?
>>
> Both ways.  There is plenty of vaccines, and vaccination
> capacity available, and it costs the patient nothing.
>
>> (Not that anything is “free” - our NHS is paid for through taxation of
>> course)
>>
> Yes.  There is no such thing as a free lunch.
>
> I am sorry for you that you in the UK lost
> 127,958 deaths due to Covid-19, which is
> 1,914 deaths per million, with what you consider
> good national health care.
> I am glad for you that you are getting on with
> life and holding your F1 race soon.
>
> Here in the USA we sadly lost 602,802 deaths due
> to Covid, which is a smaller 1,836 deaths per million.
> Choices, individual and governmental, for good and bad.
>
>
OTOH, in Australia, despite the wingeing of some, we have had less than
1000 deaths in a population of about 25 million I.E. ~40 deaths per
million. Largely because people here have the good sense to follow
precautions.

The problem is that this has lead to risk aversion in regard to the AZ
vaccine and a shortage of substitutes. Many people are not botered about
getting vaccinated due to the very low risk, the only death from covid
this year was ab elderly guy evacuated from Papua New Guinea in an
already poor state.

On 7/07/2021 6:04 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 7/07/2021 6:25 am, a425couple wrote:
>> On 7/6/2021 10:23 AM, Sir Tim wrote:
>>> a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 7/5/2021 6:44 PM, texas gate wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:39:18 PM UTC-6, build wrote:
>>>>>> AUSTRALIAN GP CANCELLED
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Victoria has an disgusting, egotistical, megalomaniac as leader.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Grrrrrr,
>>>>>> build.
>>>>>
>>>>> the world opens up
>>>>> and AU locks down
>>>>>
>>>> Yeah.  And they keep telling us about the
>>>> wonders of a national health care system
>>>> that does this badly and slow.
>>>> Pathetic.
>>>> Around here in Washington USA, we are at 70% vaccinated
>>>> and any person over 12 can freely get it NOW!
>>>>
>>> Do you mean you can freely get it or you can get it free?
>>>
>> Both ways.  There is plenty of vaccines, and vaccination
>> capacity available, and it costs the patient nothing.
>>
>>> (Not that anything is “free” - our NHS is paid for through taxation of
>>> course)
>>>
>> Yes.  There is no such thing as a free lunch.
>>
>> I am sorry for you that you in the UK lost
>> 127,958 deaths due to Covid-19, which is
>> 1,914 deaths per million, with what you consider
>> good national health care.
>> I am glad for you that you are getting on with
>> life and holding your F1 race soon.
>>
>> Here in the USA we sadly lost 602,802 deaths due
>> to Covid, which is a smaller 1,836 deaths per million.
>> Choices, individual and governmental, for good and bad.
>>
>>
> OTOH, in Australia, despite the wingeing of some, we have had less than
> 1000 deaths in a population of about 25 million I.E. ~40 deaths per
> million. Largely because people here have the good sense to follow
> precautions.
>
> The problem is that this has lead to risk aversion in regard to the AZ
> vaccine and a shortage of substitutes. Many people are not botered about
> getting vaccinated due to the very low risk, the only death from covid
> this year was ab elderly guy evacuated from Papua New Guinea in an
> already poor state.
>

NZ even better - population 5 million, 25 deaths.

Most are clamoring for a shot as soon as allowed.

geoff

On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 13:32:15 -0700, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

>On 2021-07-06 1:25 p.m., a425couple wrote:
>> On 7/6/2021 10:23 AM, Sir Tim wrote:
>>> a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 7/5/2021 6:44 PM, texas gate wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:39:18 PM UTC-6, build wrote:
>>>>>> AUSTRALIAN GP CANCELLED
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Victoria has an disgusting, egotistical, megalomaniac as leader.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Grrrrrr,
>>>>>> build.
>>>>>
>>>>> the world opens up
>>>>> and AU locks down
>>>>>
>>>> Yeah.  And they keep telling us about the
>>>> wonders of a national health care system
>>>> that does this badly and slow.
>>>> Pathetic.
>>>> Around here in Washington USA, we are at 70% vaccinated
>>>> and any person over 12 can freely get it NOW!
>>>>
>>> Do you mean you can freely get it or you can get it free?
>>>
>> Both ways.  There is plenty of vaccines, and vaccination
>> capacity available, and it costs the patient nothing.
>
>So... ...socialism.
>
>>
>>> (Not that anything is “free” - our NHS is paid for through taxation of
>>> course)
>>>
>> Yes.  There is no such thing as a free lunch.
>>
>> I am sorry for you that you in the UK lost
>> 127,958 deaths due to Covid-19, which is
>> 1,914 deaths per million, with what you consider
>> good national health care.
>> I am glad for you that you are getting on with
>> life and holding your F1 race soon.
>>
>> Here in the USA we sadly lost 602,802 deaths due
>> to Covid, which is a smaller 1,836 deaths per million.
>> Choices, individual and governmental, for good and bad.
>
>Nearly as many with a much greater opportunity to have saved yourself
>many of those deaths...
>
>...but you had an incompetent as a president.

Just as the UK had an incompetent as a Prime Minister, reflected in
the similarity between the figures.

>
>Canada has had 701 deaths per million, Lee.

Lucky them that then didn't have a Trump or a Johnson in charge.

On 7/07/2021 6:04 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 7/07/2021 6:25 am, a425couple wrote:
>> On 7/6/2021 10:23 AM, Sir Tim wrote:
>>> a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 7/5/2021 6:44 PM, texas gate wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:39:18 PM UTC-6, build wrote:
>>>>>> AUSTRALIAN GP CANCELLED
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Victoria has an disgusting, egotistical, megalomaniac as leader.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Grrrrrr,
>>>>>> build.
>>>>>
>>>>> the world opens up
>>>>> and AU locks down
>>>>>
>>>> Yeah.  And they keep telling us about the
>>>> wonders of a national health care system
>>>> that does this badly and slow.
>>>> Pathetic.
>>>> Around here in Washington USA, we are at 70% vaccinated
>>>> and any person over 12 can freely get it NOW!
>>>>
>>> Do you mean you can freely get it or you can get it free?
>>>
>> Both ways.  There is plenty of vaccines, and vaccination
>> capacity available, and it costs the patient nothing.
>>
>>> (Not that anything is “free” - our NHS is paid for through taxation of
>>> course)
>>>
>> Yes.  There is no such thing as a free lunch.
>>
>> I am sorry for you that you in the UK lost
>> 127,958 deaths due to Covid-19, which is
>> 1,914 deaths per million, with what you consider
>> good national health care.
>> I am glad for you that you are getting on with
>> life and holding your F1 race soon.
>>
>> Here in the USA we sadly lost 602,802 deaths due
>> to Covid, which is a smaller 1,836 deaths per million.
>> Choices, individual and governmental, for good and bad.
>>
>>
> OTOH, in Australia, despite the wingeing of some, we have had less than 1000 deaths in a population
> of about 25 million I.E. ~40 deaths per million. Largely because people here have the good sense to
> follow precautions.
>
> The problem is that this has lead to risk aversion in regard to the AZ vaccine and a shortage of
> substitutes. Many people are not botered about getting vaccinated due to the very low risk, the
> only death from covid this year was ab elderly guy evacuated from Papua New Guinea in an already
> poor state.

Aus has 34.44 deaths per million (according to
<https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/> )

NZ has been lucky, we're still in single digits on 5.29 deaths per million but still only have
around 10% of the country vaccinated. We're supposed to ramp up vaccinations in the next few weeks...

Cheers,
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville

This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.

On 7/07/2021 8:54 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
> On 7/07/2021 6:04 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 7/07/2021 6:25 am, a425couple wrote:
>>> On 7/6/2021 10:23 AM, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>> a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 7/5/2021 6:44 PM, texas gate wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:39:18 PM UTC-6, build wrote:
>>>>>>> AUSTRALIAN GP CANCELLED
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Victoria has an disgusting, egotistical, megalomaniac as leader.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Grrrrrr,
>>>>>>> build.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the world opens up
>>>>>> and AU locks down
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah.  And they keep telling us about the
>>>>> wonders of a national health care system
>>>>> that does this badly and slow.
>>>>> Pathetic.
>>>>> Around here in Washington USA, we are at 70% vaccinated
>>>>> and any person over 12 can freely get it NOW!
>>>>>
>>>> Do you mean you can freely get it or you can get it free?
>>>>
>>> Both ways.  There is plenty of vaccines, and vaccination
>>> capacity available, and it costs the patient nothing.
>>>
>>>> (Not that anything is “free” - our NHS is paid for through taxation of
>>>> course)
>>>>
>>> Yes.  There is no such thing as a free lunch.
>>>
>>> I am sorry for you that you in the UK lost
>>> 127,958 deaths due to Covid-19, which is
>>> 1,914 deaths per million, with what you consider
>>> good national health care.
>>> I am glad for you that you are getting on with
>>> life and holding your F1 race soon.
>>>
>>> Here in the USA we sadly lost 602,802 deaths due
>>> to Covid, which is a smaller 1,836 deaths per million.
>>> Choices, individual and governmental, for good and bad.
>>>
>>>
>> OTOH, in Australia, despite the wingeing of some, we have had less
>> than 1000 deaths in a population of about 25 million I.E. ~40 deaths
>> per million. Largely because people here have the good sense to follow
>> precautions.
>>
>> The problem is that this has lead to risk aversion in regard to the AZ
>> vaccine and a shortage of substitutes. Many people are not botered
>> about getting vaccinated due to the very low risk, the only death from
>> covid this year was ab elderly guy evacuated from Papua New Guinea in
>> an already poor state.
>
> Aus has 34.44 deaths per million (according to
> <https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/>
> )
>
> NZ has been lucky, we're still in single digits on 5.29 deaths per
> million but still only have around 10% of the country vaccinated. We're
> supposed to ramp up vaccinations in the next few weeks...

Not too far different to here, I've had 2 jabs of AZ being in a high
risk group - diabetic and over 70.