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by: Alan Baker - Mon, 2 Aug 2021 20:30 UTC

On 2021-08-02 1:28 p.m., texas gate wrote:
> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:48:12 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> Behave like what:
>
> a fucking useless cock sucker
>

So... ...like you?

:-)

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by: texas gate - Mon, 2 Aug 2021 20:32 UTC

On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:47:01 PM UTC-6, News wrote:

> Just wondering. Do you behave like this at the track?

If he did, he would get the shit beat out of him.
He's just a pussy keyboard warrior.

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by: Alan Baker - Mon, 2 Aug 2021 20:55 UTC

On 2021-08-02 1:30 p.m., News wrote:
> On 8/2/2021 3:48 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-08-02 12:46 p.m., News wrote:
>>> On 8/2/2021 3:44 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-08-02 12:26 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>> On 8/2/2021 3:11 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 12:05 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/2/2021 2:31 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 11:21 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/2/2021 2:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 6:20 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/1/2021 9:17 AM, Geoff May wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> VB?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers and ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best teammate, ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best follower, ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Valteri, the championship is just one more RB DNF away.
>>>>>>>>>>> Strat 86."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Still loses his ride, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Never trust Toto.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You're an ignoramus.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're purposely ignorant, which makes you what?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Purposely ignorant"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> About what do you believe I am "purposely ignorant", Gutless?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Figure it out, smiley-face.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I knew you couldn't articulate it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I knew it would irk you, pedant.
>>>>
>>>> You can't actually say.
>>>>
>>>> Got it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Just wondering. Do you behave like this at the track?
>>
>> Behave like what: expect people who make vague accusations to man up,
>> Gutless?
>
>
> Behave in person like you behave here, like a pedant and rank asshole,
> among the most punchable of faces, against strong competition.

LOL!

>
> Your board history here and elsewhere suggests you have.
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/c/tmpZX0swHVs
>
> It's been the same story everywhere you go, shitstain.

There certainly are assholes on every board.

Assholes who spend their time cyber-stalking among other things?

>
> So, again, do you behave like this at the track?

Behave like what: expect people who make vague accusations to man up,
Gutless?

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by: Alan Baker - Mon, 2 Aug 2021 20:56 UTC

On 2021-08-02 1:32 p.m., texas gate wrote:
> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:47:01 PM UTC-6, News wrote:
>
>> Just wondering. Do you behave like this at the track?
>
> If he did, he would get the shit beat out of him.
> He's just a pussy keyboard warrior.
>

LOL!

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by: News - Mon, 2 Aug 2021 21:14 UTC

On 8/2/2021 4:55 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-08-02 1:30 p.m., News wrote:
>> On 8/2/2021 3:48 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-08-02 12:46 p.m., News wrote:
>>>> On 8/2/2021 3:44 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-08-02 12:26 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/2/2021 3:11 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 12:05 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/2/2021 2:31 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 11:21 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/2/2021 2:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 6:20 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/1/2021 9:17 AM, Geoff May wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> VB?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers and ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best teammate, ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best follower, ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Valteri, the championship is just one more RB DNF away.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Strat 86."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Still loses his ride, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Never trust Toto.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You're an ignoramus.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You're purposely ignorant, which makes you what?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Purposely ignorant"?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> About what do you believe I am "purposely ignorant", Gutless?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Figure it out, smiley-face.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I knew you couldn't articulate it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I knew it would irk you, pedant.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can't actually say.
>>>>>
>>>>> Got it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just wondering. Do you behave like this at the track?
>>>
>>> Behave like what: expect people who make vague accusations to man up,
>>> Gutless?
>>
>>
>> Behave in person like you behave here, like a pedant and rank asshole,
>> among the most punchable of faces, against strong competition.
>
> LOL!
>
>>
>> Your board history here and elsewhere suggests you have.
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/c/tmpZX0swHVs
>>
>> It's been the same story everywhere you go, shitstain.
>
> There certainly are assholes on every board.
>
> Assholes who spend their time cyber-stalking among other things?
>

From the record, you would know.

>>
>> So, again, do you behave like this at the track?
>
> Behave like what: expect people who make vague accusations to man up,
> Gutless?

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by: Alan Baker - Mon, 2 Aug 2021 21:15 UTC

On 2021-08-02 2:14 p.m., News wrote:
> On 8/2/2021 4:55 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-08-02 1:30 p.m., News wrote:
>>> On 8/2/2021 3:48 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-08-02 12:46 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>> On 8/2/2021 3:44 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 12:26 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/2/2021 3:11 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 12:05 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/2/2021 2:31 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 11:21 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/2/2021 2:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 6:20 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/1/2021 9:17 AM, Geoff May wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VB?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers and ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best teammate, ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best follower, ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Valteri, the championship is just one more RB DNF away.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strat 86."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still loses his ride, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Never trust Toto.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You're an ignoramus.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You're purposely ignorant, which makes you what?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Purposely ignorant"?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> About what do you believe I am "purposely ignorant", Gutless?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Figure it out, smiley-face.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I knew you couldn't articulate it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I knew it would irk you, pedant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can't actually say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Got it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just wondering. Do you behave like this at the track?
>>>>
>>>> Behave like what: expect people who make vague accusations to man
>>>> up, Gutless?
>>>
>>>
>>> Behave in person like you behave here, like a pedant and rank
>>> asshole, among the most punchable of faces, against strong competition.
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>>>
>>> Your board history here and elsewhere suggests you have.
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/c/tmpZX0swHVs
>>>
>>> It's been the same story everywhere you go, shitstain.
>>
>> There certainly are assholes on every board.
>>
>> Assholes who spend their time cyber-stalking among other things?
>>
>
> From the record, you would know.

That you've been cyber-stalking me?

Yeah... ...I do, Gutless!

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by: News - Mon, 2 Aug 2021 21:17 UTC

On 8/2/2021 5:15 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-08-02 2:14 p.m., News wrote:
>> On 8/2/2021 4:55 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-08-02 1:30 p.m., News wrote:
>>>> On 8/2/2021 3:48 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-08-02 12:46 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/2/2021 3:44 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 12:26 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/2/2021 3:11 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 12:05 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/2/2021 2:31 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 11:21 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/2/2021 2:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 6:20 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/1/2021 9:17 AM, Geoff May wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VB?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers and ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best teammate, ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best follower, ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Valteri, the championship is just one more RB DNF away.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strat 86."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still loses his ride, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Never trust Toto.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're an ignoramus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You're purposely ignorant, which makes you what?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Purposely ignorant"?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> About what do you believe I am "purposely ignorant", Gutless?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Figure it out, smiley-face.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I knew you couldn't articulate it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I knew it would irk you, pedant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can't actually say.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Got it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just wondering. Do you behave like this at the track?
>>>>>
>>>>> Behave like what: expect people who make vague accusations to man
>>>>> up, Gutless?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Behave in person like you behave here, like a pedant and rank
>>>> asshole, among the most punchable of faces, against strong competition.
>>>
>>> LOL!
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your board history here and elsewhere suggests you have.
>>>>
>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/c/tmpZX0swHVs
>>>>
>>>> It's been the same story everywhere you go, shitstain.
>>>
>>> There certainly are assholes on every board.
>>>
>>> Assholes who spend their time cyber-stalking among other things?
>>>
>>
>> From the record, you would know.
>
> That you've been cyber-stalking me?
>
> Yeah... ...I do, Gutless!

Your shitstain is everywhere. No need to actually look for it.

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by: Alan Baker - Mon, 2 Aug 2021 21:26 UTC

On 2021-08-02 2:17 p.m., News wrote:
> On 8/2/2021 5:15 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-08-02 2:14 p.m., News wrote:
>>> On 8/2/2021 4:55 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-08-02 1:30 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>> On 8/2/2021 3:48 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 12:46 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/2/2021 3:44 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 12:26 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/2/2021 3:11 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 12:05 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/2/2021 2:31 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 11:21 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/2/2021 2:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 6:20 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/1/2021 9:17 AM, Geoff May wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VB?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers and ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best teammate, ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best follower, ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Valteri, the championship is just one more RB DNF away.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strat 86."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still loses his ride, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Never trust Toto.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're an ignoramus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're purposely ignorant, which makes you what?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Purposely ignorant"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> About what do you believe I am "purposely ignorant", Gutless?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Figure it out, smiley-face.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I knew you couldn't articulate it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I knew it would irk you, pedant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can't actually say.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Got it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just wondering. Do you behave like this at the track?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Behave like what: expect people who make vague accusations to man
>>>>>> up, Gutless?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Behave in person like you behave here, like a pedant and rank
>>>>> asshole, among the most punchable of faces, against strong
>>>>> competition.
>>>>
>>>> LOL!
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Your board history here and elsewhere suggests you have.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/c/tmpZX0swHVs
>>>>>
>>>>> It's been the same story everywhere you go, shitstain.
>>>>
>>>> There certainly are assholes on every board.
>>>>
>>>> Assholes who spend their time cyber-stalking among other things?
>>>>
>>>
>>> From the record, you would know.
>>
>> That you've been cyber-stalking me?
>>
>> Yeah... ...I do, Gutless!
>
>
> Your shitstain is everywhere. No need to actually look for it.
>
>

And yet you actually did... ...go looking...

....didn't you, Gutless?

It certainly seems you spent more time on it than simply stating what
you meant when you said I was supposedly "purposely ignorant".

:-)

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by: News - Mon, 2 Aug 2021 21:27 UTC

On 8/2/2021 5:26 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-08-02 2:17 p.m., News wrote:
>> On 8/2/2021 5:15 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-08-02 2:14 p.m., News wrote:
>>>> On 8/2/2021 4:55 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-08-02 1:30 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/2/2021 3:48 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 12:46 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/2/2021 3:44 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 12:26 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/2/2021 3:11 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 12:05 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/2/2021 2:31 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 11:21 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/2/2021 2:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 6:20 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/1/2021 9:17 AM, Geoff May wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VB?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers and ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best teammate, ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best follower, ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Valteri, the championship is just one more RB DNF away.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strat 86."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still loses his ride, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Never trust Toto.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're an ignoramus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're purposely ignorant, which makes you what?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Purposely ignorant"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> About what do you believe I am "purposely ignorant", Gutless?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Figure it out, smiley-face.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I knew you couldn't articulate it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I knew it would irk you, pedant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can't actually say.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Got it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just wondering. Do you behave like this at the track?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Behave like what: expect people who make vague accusations to man
>>>>>>> up, Gutless?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Behave in person like you behave here, like a pedant and rank
>>>>>> asshole, among the most punchable of faces, against strong
>>>>>> competition.
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your board history here and elsewhere suggests you have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/c/tmpZX0swHVs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's been the same story everywhere you go, shitstain.
>>>>>
>>>>> There certainly are assholes on every board.
>>>>>
>>>>> Assholes who spend their time cyber-stalking among other things?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From the record, you would know.
>>>
>>> That you've been cyber-stalking me?
>>>
>>> Yeah... ...I do, Gutless!
>>
>>
>> Your shitstain is everywhere. No need to actually look for it.
>>
>>
>
> And yet you actually did... ...go looking...
>
> ...didn't you, Gutless?
>
> It certainly seems you spent more time on it than simply stating what
> you meant when you said I was supposedly "purposely ignorant".
>
> :-)

The smell led me to it, shitstain.

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by: Alan Baker - Mon, 2 Aug 2021 21:28 UTC

On 2021-08-02 2:27 p.m., News wrote:
> On 8/2/2021 5:26 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-08-02 2:17 p.m., News wrote:
>>> On 8/2/2021 5:15 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-08-02 2:14 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>> On 8/2/2021 4:55 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 1:30 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/2/2021 3:48 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 12:46 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/2/2021 3:44 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 12:26 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/2/2021 3:11 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 12:05 p.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/2/2021 2:31 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 11:21 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/2/2021 2:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-02 6:20 a.m., News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/1/2021 9:17 AM, Geoff May wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VB?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers and ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best teammate, ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best follower, ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Valteri, the championship is just one more RB DNF
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away. Strat 86."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still loses his ride, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Never trust Toto.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're an ignoramus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're purposely ignorant, which makes you what?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Purposely ignorant"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> About what do you believe I am "purposely ignorant", Gutless?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Figure it out, smiley-face.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I knew you couldn't articulate it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I knew it would irk you, pedant.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You can't actually say.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Got it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just wondering. Do you behave like this at the track?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Behave like what: expect people who make vague accusations to
>>>>>>>> man up, Gutless?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Behave in person like you behave here, like a pedant and rank
>>>>>>> asshole, among the most punchable of faces, against strong
>>>>>>> competition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your board history here and elsewhere suggests you have.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/c/tmpZX0swHVs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's been the same story everywhere you go, shitstain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There certainly are assholes on every board.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Assholes who spend their time cyber-stalking among other things?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From the record, you would know.
>>>>
>>>> That you've been cyber-stalking me?
>>>>
>>>> Yeah... ...I do, Gutless!
>>>
>>>
>>> Your shitstain is everywhere. No need to actually look for it.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> And yet you actually did... ...go looking...
>>
>> ...didn't you, Gutless?
>>
>> It certainly seems you spent more time on it than simply stating what
>> you meant when you said I was supposedly "purposely ignorant".
>>
>> :-)
>
>
> The smell led me to it, shitstain.

I love the way you're full on ducking with empty attempts at insult.

You claim I was "purposely ignorant"...

....but won't say about what.

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by: ~misfit~ - Mon, 2 Aug 2021 23:54 UTC

On 3/08/2021 6:33 am, Mark Jackson wrote:
> On 8/2/2021 2:02 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> I'd like to know more about what the team said to Lewis about the restart and whether or not they
>> should pit for dry tires.
>
> He was told to stay out.
>
> https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/wolff-stands-by-decision-to-not-pit-hamilton-before-standing-restart-/6640674/

What I found interesting is Mercedes thought they'd drop too many places due to their pit box being
first and that they'd have to hold Hamilton as other cars went by yeah?

Then how come Russell had the opposite thing and managed to get out first (from 8th) but was told
by the stewards to give places back on the next lap? Why only Russell? Latifi and Tsunoda also got
past Sainz in the 'stop' (Latifi from 6th to 3rd) and they weren't instructed to give the places
back, in fact a few cars shuffled forward or back a place or three but were left where they came
out. If Hamilton had ended up coming out say 10th would the stewards have told everyone to let him
past?

I have a lot of questions about this restart and can find few answers.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville

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by: Alan LeHun - Tue, 3 Aug 2021 00:36 UTC

In article <sea0jn$14q$1@dont-email.me>, shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com
says...

> What I found interesting is Mercedes thought they'd drop too many
> places due to their pit box being
> first and that they'd have to hold Hamilton as other cars went by yeah?
>

Yes. Mercedes would have finished their pit stop but would have been
unable to release Hamilton because other cars would still have been
entering the pits. Toto thinks this delay would have cost them places,
as teams further up the paddock would have been able to release their
drivers into the gaps that formed as the cars peeled off into their
respective pits.

The order in which cars arrive at the pit exit (or the queue to the pit
exit) after they have been released is the order that they must rejoin
the track in.

> Then how come Russell had the opposite thing and managed to get out first (from 8th) but was told
> by the stewards to give places back on the next lap? Why only Russell?
>

Russells pit is at the end of the pit lane. After he had completed his
stop he was released but the queue to exit had already formed by that
time and he could only move to a spot beside the queue. His team should
have told him who the last car in that queue was and to slot in behind
it. I don't know if they did or not. In any case, when the queue finally
started to exit the pit lane Russell opportunistically just went for it
and jumped everyone.

Aiui, it was not the stewards that told him to give the places back but
his own team and he avoided a penalty by doing so.

There is plenty of room for chaos here as not only should Russell have
slotted in behind whatever car was last in the queue when he was
released but the car that then joined the queue after that would need to
know that there was another car beside the queue that was entitled to
slot in before him.

--
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by: geoff - Tue, 3 Aug 2021 02:26 UTC

On 3/08/2021 11:54 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
> On 3/08/2021 6:33 am, Mark Jackson wrote:
>> On 8/2/2021 2:02 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> I'd like to know more about what the team said to Lewis about the
>>> restart and whether or not they should pit for dry tires.
>>
>> He was told to stay out.
>>
>> https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/wolff-stands-by-decision-to-not-pit-hamilton-before-standing-restart-/6640674/
>
>
> What I found interesting is Mercedes thought they'd drop too many places
> due to their pit box being first and that they'd have to hold Hamilton
> as other cars went by yeah?
>
> Then how come Russell had the opposite thing and managed to get out
> first (from 8th) but was told by the stewards to give places back on the
> next lap? Why only Russell? Latifi and Tsunoda also got past Sainz in
> the 'stop' (Latifi from 6th to 3rd) and they weren't instructed to give
> the places back, in fact a few cars shuffled forward or back a place or
> three but were left where they came out. If Hamilton had ended up coming
> out say 10th would the stewards have told everyone to let him past?
>
> I have a lot of questions about this restart and can find few answers.

No, RUS's problem was that he over(under)took cars in the pit lane - at
least three had pulled up alongside or in front of him at the pit exit
line, and he drove forward on the inside non-lane area to get around
them and jump them at the re-start.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3S4A0T-QrA

Enough to make you cry, eh. Future champ, or chump ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJA1EtZyDNI

geoff

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by: Alan Baker - Tue, 3 Aug 2021 03:55 UTC

On 2021-08-02 7:26 p.m., geoff wrote:
> On 3/08/2021 11:54 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
>> On 3/08/2021 6:33 am, Mark Jackson wrote:
>>> On 8/2/2021 2:02 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> I'd like to know more about what the team said to Lewis about the
>>>> restart and whether or not they should pit for dry tires.
>>>
>>> He was told to stay out.
>>>
>>> https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/wolff-stands-by-decision-to-not-pit-hamilton-before-standing-restart-/6640674/
>>
>>
>>
>> What I found interesting is Mercedes thought they'd drop too many
>> places due to their pit box being first and that they'd have to hold
>> Hamilton as other cars went by yeah?
>>
>> Then how come Russell had the opposite thing and managed to get out
>> first (from 8th) but was told by the stewards to give places back on
>> the next lap? Why only Russell? Latifi and Tsunoda also got past Sainz
>> in the 'stop' (Latifi from 6th to 3rd) and they weren't instructed to
>> give the places back, in fact a few cars shuffled forward or back a
>> place or three but were left where they came out. If Hamilton had
>> ended up coming out say 10th would the stewards have told everyone to
>> let him past?
>>
>> I have a lot of questions about this restart and can find few answers.
>
>
> No, RUS's problem was that he over(under)took cars in the pit lane - at
> least three had pulled up alongside or in front of him at the pit exit
> line, and he drove forward on the inside non-lane area to get around
> them and jump them at the re-start.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3S4A0T-QrA
>
> Enough to make you cry, eh. Future champ, or chump ?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJA1EtZyDNI

From what I saw watching his in-car camera, a queue had formed to the
left of his pit box, so his option would have been to sit until every
other car had left.

Not something that's going to sit well with any racing driver.

Better to try it on and then have to give back places.

It's not likely to come up more than once a millennium, but clearly,
there should be rules in place about start order. It's absurd that the
position of a driver's pit box should play a role in the start order
when the race is restarting.

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by: geoff - Tue, 3 Aug 2021 04:46 UTC

On 3/08/2021 3:55 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-08-02 7:26 p.m., geoff wrote:
>> On 3/08/2021 11:54 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
>>> On 3/08/2021 6:33 am, Mark Jackson wrote:
>>>> On 8/2/2021 2:02 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>> I'd like to know more about what the team said to Lewis about the
>>>>> restart and whether or not they should pit for dry tires.
>>>>
>>>> He was told to stay out.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/wolff-stands-by-decision-to-not-pit-hamilton-before-standing-restart-/6640674/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What I found interesting is Mercedes thought they'd drop too many
>>> places due to their pit box being first and that they'd have to hold
>>> Hamilton as other cars went by yeah?
>>>
>>> Then how come Russell had the opposite thing and managed to get out
>>> first (from 8th) but was told by the stewards to give places back on
>>> the next lap? Why only Russell? Latifi and Tsunoda also got past
>>> Sainz in the 'stop' (Latifi from 6th to 3rd) and they weren't
>>> instructed to give the places back, in fact a few cars shuffled
>>> forward or back a place or three but were left where they came out.
>>> If Hamilton had ended up coming out say 10th would the stewards have
>>> told everyone to let him past?
>>>
>>> I have a lot of questions about this restart and can find few answers.
>>
>>
>> No, RUS's problem was that he over(under)took cars in the pit lane -
>> at least three had pulled up alongside or in front of him at the pit
>> exit line, and he drove forward on the inside non-lane area to get
>> around them and jump them at the re-start.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3S4A0T-QrA
>>
>> Enough to make you cry, eh. Future champ, or chump ?
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJA1EtZyDNI
>
> From what I saw watching his in-car camera, a queue had formed to the
> left of his pit box, so his option would have been to sit until every
> other car had left.
>
> Not something that's going to sit well with any racing driver.
>
> Better to try it on and then have to give back places.
>
> It's not likely to come up more than once a millennium, but clearly,
> there should be rules in place about start order. It's absurd that the
> position of a driver's pit box should play a role in the start order
> when the race is restarting.

Ineptitude to have not got out onto the line first if there was no rule
about it.

geoff

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by: Alan Baker - Tue, 3 Aug 2021 05:12 UTC

On 2021-08-02 9:46 p.m., geoff wrote:
> On 3/08/2021 3:55 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-08-02 7:26 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>> On 3/08/2021 11:54 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
>>>> On 3/08/2021 6:33 am, Mark Jackson wrote:
>>>>> On 8/2/2021 2:02 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>> I'd like to know more about what the team said to Lewis about the
>>>>>> restart and whether or not they should pit for dry tires.
>>>>>
>>>>> He was told to stay out.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/wolff-stands-by-decision-to-not-pit-hamilton-before-standing-restart-/6640674/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What I found interesting is Mercedes thought they'd drop too many
>>>> places due to their pit box being first and that they'd have to hold
>>>> Hamilton as other cars went by yeah?
>>>>
>>>> Then how come Russell had the opposite thing and managed to get out
>>>> first (from 8th) but was told by the stewards to give places back on
>>>> the next lap? Why only Russell? Latifi and Tsunoda also got past
>>>> Sainz in the 'stop' (Latifi from 6th to 3rd) and they weren't
>>>> instructed to give the places back, in fact a few cars shuffled
>>>> forward or back a place or three but were left where they came out.
>>>> If Hamilton had ended up coming out say 10th would the stewards have
>>>> told everyone to let him past?
>>>>
>>>> I have a lot of questions about this restart and can find few answers.
>>>
>>>
>>> No, RUS's problem was that he over(under)took cars in the pit lane -
>>> at least three had pulled up alongside or in front of him at the pit
>>> exit line, and he drove forward on the inside non-lane area to get
>>> around them and jump them at the re-start.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3S4A0T-QrA
>>>
>>> Enough to make you cry, eh. Future champ, or chump ?
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJA1EtZyDNI
>>
>> From what I saw watching his in-car camera, a queue had formed to the
>> left of his pit box, so his option would have been to sit until every
>> other car had left.
>>
>> Not something that's going to sit well with any racing driver.
>>
>> Better to try it on and then have to give back places.
>>
>> It's not likely to come up more than once a millennium, but clearly,
>> there should be rules in place about start order. It's absurd that the
>> position of a driver's pit box should play a role in the start order
>> when the race is restarting.
>
> Ineptitude to have not got out onto the line first if there was no rule
> about it.

There's no "ineptitude" about it. When a bunch of cars all come
streaming into the pits together, the ones who are at the front of the
line are going to have to hold after their pit stops are done because
cars further back are driving by. Obviously, the position of one's pit
box is a huge factor in this.

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by: Alan LeHun - Tue, 3 Aug 2021 08:53 UTC

In article <seaens$4us$1@dont-email.me>, notonyourlife@no.no.no.no
says...
> It's not likely to come up more than once a millennium, but clearly,
> there should be rules in place about start order. It's absurd that the
> position of a driver's pit box should play a role in the start order
> when the race is restarting.
>

I was under the impression that there is a rule. Cars must exit the pit
lane in the same order that they arrive at it (the exit).

This was why Williams told him to give the places back.

Apparently he did not give them all back. KR was in the queue before
Russell was released but he never let him take the place back.

--
Alan LeHun

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by: ~misfit~ - Tue, 3 Aug 2021 12:29 UTC

On 3/08/2021 8:53 pm, Alan LeHun wrote:
> In article <seaens$4us$1@dont-email.me>, notonyourlife@no.no.no.no
> says...
>> It's not likely to come up more than once a millennium, but clearly,
>> there should be rules in place about start order. It's absurd that the
>> position of a driver's pit box should play a role in the start order
>> when the race is restarting.
>>
>
> I was under the impression that there is a rule. Cars must exit the pit
> lane in the same order that they arrive at it (the exit).
>
> This was why Williams told him to give the places back.
>
> Apparently he did not give them all back. KR was in the queue before
> Russell was released but he never let him take the place back.

KR was behind Russell going into the pits.
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by: Mark Jackson - Tue, 3 Aug 2021 14:07 UTC

On 8/2/2021 11:55 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-08-02 7:26 p.m., geoff wrote:
>> On 3/08/2021 11:54 am, ~misfit~ wrote:

>>> Then how come Russell had the opposite thing and managed to get
>>> out first (from 8th) but was told by the stewards to give places
>>> back on the next lap?

>> No, RUS's problem was that he over(under)took cars in the pit lane
>> - at least three had pulled up alongside or in front of him at the
>> pit exit line, and he drove forward on the inside non-lane area to
>> get around them and jump them at the re-start.

> From what I saw watching his in-car camera, a queue had formed to the
> left of his pit box, so his option would have been to sit until
> every other car had left.

The correct procedure is to wait until the queue starts moving and slot
into one's correct position, based on the order cars entered the pits at
the end of the formation lap.

> It's not likely to come up more than once a millennium, but clearly,
> there should be rules in place about start order. It's absurd that
> the position of a driver's pit box should play a role in the start
> order when the race is restarting.

There are rules. Someone on the team should have had the responsibility
of telling the drivers what they were.

--
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What's Latin for "If you seek to make the facile sound profound,
we're your language"? - unnamed student (Jef Mallett)

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by: Alan Baker - Tue, 3 Aug 2021 16:16 UTC

On 2021-08-03 7:07 a.m., Mark Jackson wrote:
> On 8/2/2021 11:55 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-08-02 7:26 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>> On 3/08/2021 11:54 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
>
>>>> Then how come Russell had the opposite thing and managed to get
>>>> out first (from 8th) but was told by the stewards to give places
>>>> back on the next lap?
>
>>> No, RUS's problem was that he over(under)took cars in the pit lane
>>> - at least three had pulled up alongside or in front of him at the
>>> pit exit line, and he drove forward on the inside non-lane area to
>>> get around them and jump them at the re-start.
>
>> From what I saw watching his in-car camera, a queue had formed to the
>> left of his pit box, so his option would have been to sit until
>> every other car had left.
>
> The correct procedure is to wait until the queue starts moving and slot
> into one's correct position, based on the order cars entered the pits at
> the end of the formation lap.

Is it? Where is that codified, exactly?

>
>> It's not likely to come up more than once a millennium, but clearly,
>> there should be rules in place about start order. It's absurd that
>> the position of a driver's pit box should play a role in the start
>> order when the race is restarting.
>
> There are rules. Someone on the team should have had the responsibility
> of telling the drivers what they were.
So show this rule.

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by: Alan LeHun - Tue, 3 Aug 2021 17:25 UTC

In article <sebcs8$10n$1@dont-email.me>, shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com
says...
> > Apparently he did not give them all back. KR was in the queue before
> > Russell was released but he never let him take the place back.
>
> KR was behind Russell going into the pits.
>

It is the order they reach the end of the pit lane after having pitted
that is relevant.

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by: Alan LeHun - Tue, 3 Aug 2021 17:26 UTC

In article <imt0scFbdsbU1@mid.individual.net>,
mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu says...
> The correct procedure is to wait until the queue starts moving and slot
> into one's correct position, based on the order cars entered the pits at
> the end of the formation lap.
>

The order is based on the order cars reach the exit queue, not the pit
entry.

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by: Mark Jackson - Tue, 3 Aug 2021 17:39 UTC

On 8/3/2021 12:16 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-08-03 7:07 a.m., Mark Jackson wrote:

>> The correct procedure is to wait until the queue starts moving and
>> slot into one's correct position, based on the order cars entered the
>> pits at the end of the formation lap.
>
> Is it? Where is that codified, exactly?

I find I was wrong, and Alan LeHun is correct - the proper order is
determined by when one joins the queue at the end of the pit lane.

>>> It's not likely to come up more than once a millennium, but clearly,
>>> there should be rules in place about start order. It's absurd that
>>> the position of a driver's pit box should play a role in the start
>>> order when the race is restarting.
>>
>> There are rules. Someone on the team should have had the
>> responsibility of telling the drivers what they were.
> So show this rule.

Current sporting regs 42.1(c):

"Any other car entering the pit lane during the formation laps may
re-join the track but must enter the pit lane after the safety car
returns to the pits and start the sprint qualifying session or the race
from the end of the pit lane in the order they get there."

--
Mark Jackson - https://mark-jackson.online/
What's Latin for "If you seek to make the facile sound profound,
we're your language"? - unnamed student (Jef Mallett)

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by: Alan Baker - Tue, 3 Aug 2021 20:20 UTC

On 2021-08-03 10:39 a.m., Mark Jackson wrote:
> On 8/3/2021 12:16 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-08-03 7:07 a.m., Mark Jackson wrote:
>
>>> The correct procedure is to wait until the queue starts moving and
>>> slot into one's correct position, based on the order cars entered the
>>> pits at the end of the formation lap.
>>
>> Is it? Where is that codified, exactly?
>
> I find I was wrong, and Alan LeHun is correct - the proper order is
> determined by when one joins the queue at the end of the pit lane.

Spoken like a gentleman!

:-)

>
>>>> It's not likely to come up more than once a millennium, but clearly,
>>>> there should be rules in place about start order. It's absurd that
>>>> the position of a driver's pit box should play a role in the start
>>>> order when the race is restarting.
>>>
>>> There are rules. Someone on the team should have had the
>>> responsibility of telling the drivers what they were.
>> So show this rule.
>
> Current sporting regs 42.1(c):
>
> "Any other car entering the pit lane during the formation laps may
> re-join the track but must enter the pit lane after the safety car
> returns to the pits and start the sprint qualifying session or the race
> from the end of the pit lane in the order they get there."
>

And given that the race isn't actually happening prior to the restart, I
think they should rewrite this rule so that all cars that choose to pit
for tires remain in the order they were to maintain if didn't pit.

Yes: those who choose to pit should have to follow anyone who doesn't
choose to do so, but why in the world should the order change based on
pit stall position?

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by: geoff - Tue, 3 Aug 2021 21:31 UTC

On 3/08/2021 5:12 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-08-02 9:46 p.m., geoff wrote:
>> On 3/08/2021 3:55 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-08-02 7:26 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>> On 3/08/2021 11:54 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
>>>>> On 3/08/2021 6:33 am, Mark Jackson wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/2/2021 2:02 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>> I'd like to know more about what the team said to Lewis about the
>>>>>>> restart and whether or not they should pit for dry tires.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He was told to stay out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/wolff-stands-by-decision-to-not-pit-hamilton-before-standing-restart-/6640674/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What I found interesting is Mercedes thought they'd drop too many
>>>>> places due to their pit box being first and that they'd have to
>>>>> hold Hamilton as other cars went by yeah?
>>>>>
>>>>> Then how come Russell had the opposite thing and managed to get out
>>>>> first (from 8th) but was told by the stewards to give places back
>>>>> on the next lap? Why only Russell? Latifi and Tsunoda also got past
>>>>> Sainz in the 'stop' (Latifi from 6th to 3rd) and they weren't
>>>>> instructed to give the places back, in fact a few cars shuffled
>>>>> forward or back a place or three but were left where they came out.
>>>>> If Hamilton had ended up coming out say 10th would the stewards
>>>>> have told everyone to let him past?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a lot of questions about this restart and can find few answers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, RUS's problem was that he over(under)took cars in the pit lane -
>>>> at least three had pulled up alongside or in front of him at the pit
>>>> exit line, and he drove forward on the inside non-lane area to get
>>>> around them and jump them at the re-start.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3S4A0T-QrA
>>>>
>>>> Enough to make you cry, eh. Future champ, or chump ?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJA1EtZyDNI
>>>
>>> From what I saw watching his in-car camera, a queue had formed to
>>> the left of his pit box, so his option would have been to sit until
>>> every other car had left.
>>>
>>> Not something that's going to sit well with any racing driver.
>>>
>>> Better to try it on and then have to give back places.
>>>
>>> It's not likely to come up more than once a millennium, but clearly,
>>> there should be rules in place about start order. It's absurd that
>>> the position of a driver's pit box should play a role in the start
>>> order when the race is restarting.
>>
>> Ineptitude to have not got out onto the line first if there was no
>> rule about it.
>
> There's no "ineptitude" about it. When a bunch of cars all come
> streaming into the pits together, the ones who are at the front of the
> line are going to have to hold after their pit stops are done because
> cars further back are driving by. Obviously, the position of one's pit
> box is a huge factor in this.

No. WHEN you come out of your pit box in relation to the other cars is
the only factor in this. The minimum time driving down the lane plus
servicing-time should be near the same for each car, so FIFO could
apply. If they took too long servicing the car, that's their mistake.

And they should have been aware that you can't flit around inside to get
back up front.

Ineptitude.

geoff

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sport / rec.autos.sport.f1 / Re: DOTD?

sport / rec.autos.sport.f1 / Re: DOTD?

Subject	Author
DOTD?	Geoff May
Re: DOTD?	Bigbird
Re: DOTD?	central77
Re: DOTD?	Martin Harran
Re: DOTD?	alister
Re: DOTD?	Martin Harran
Re: DOTD?	alister
Re: DOTD?	Mark Jackson
Re: DOTD?	Alan LeHun
Re: DOTD?	Darryl Johnson
Re: DOTD?	Alan Baker
Re: DOTD?	Mark Jackson
Re: DOTD?	~misfit~
Re: DOTD?	Alan LeHun
Re: DOTD?	geoff
Re: DOTD?	Alan Baker
Re: DOTD?	geoff
Re: DOTD?	Alan Baker
Re: DOTD?	geoff
Re: DOTD?	Alan LeHun
Re: DOTD?	Alan Baker
Re: DOTD?	Alan LeHun
Re: DOTD?	~misfit~
Re: DOTD?	Alan LeHun
Re: DOTD?	Mark Jackson
Re: DOTD?	Alan Baker
Re: DOTD?	Mark Jackson
Re: DOTD?	Alan Baker
Re: DOTD?	geoff
Re: DOTD?	Alan Baker
Re: DOTD?	geoff
Re: DOTD?	Alan Baker
Re: DOTD?	geoff
Re: DOTD?	Alan Baker
Re: DOTD?	geoff
Re: DOTD?	Alan Baker
Re: DOTD?	geoff
Re: DOTD?	Alan Baker
Re: DOTD?	geoff
Re: DOTD?	Alan Baker
Re: DOTD?	geoff
Re: DOTD?	Alan Baker
Re: DOTD?	geoff
Re: DOTD?	Alan Baker
Re: DOTD?	geoff
Re: DOTD?	Alan Baker
Re: DOTD?	texas gate
Re: DOTD?	texas gate
Re: DOTD?	texas gate
Re: DOTD?	geoff
Re: DOTD?	Alan Baker
Re: DOTD?	Alan LeHun
Re: DOTD?	News
Re: DOTD?	Alan Baker
Re: DOTD?	News
Re: DOTD?	Alan Baker
Re: DOTD?	News
Re: DOTD?	Alan Baker
Re: DOTD?	News
Re: DOTD?	Alan Baker
Re: DOTD?	News
Re: DOTD?	Alan Baker
Re: DOTD?	texas gate
Re: DOTD?	Alan Baker
Re: DOTD?	News
Re: DOTD?	Alan Baker
Re: DOTD?	News
Re: DOTD?	Alan Baker
Re: DOTD?	News
Re: DOTD?	Alan Baker
Re: DOTD?	News
Re: DOTD?	Alan Baker
Re: DOTD?	texas gate
Re: DOTD?	Alan Baker
Re: DOTD?	Alan Baker