Philip wrote:

> In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>,
> bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
> >
> > 7/8 WDC; GOAT
> >
> > That's some participation.
>
> GOAT??????????
>
> Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes
> when he did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers
> had got that seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
>
> Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George
> Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than
> anybody else first time out.
>
> So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the
> driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very
> rarely did anything exceptional with it.

I'll bet you cry yourself to sleep at night telling yourself these
things.

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On 16/12/2021 10:07 am, Philip wrote:
> In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>,
> bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
>>
>> 7/8 WDC; GOAT
>>
>> That's some participation.
>
> GOAT??????????
>
> Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when he
> did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got that
> seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
>
> Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George
> Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than anybody
> else first time out.
>
> So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the
> driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very rarely
> did anything exceptional with it.
>
I don't think that you can put anybody up as the "GOAT", best of the era
definitely but things have changed so much over the years that
comparison between eras is pretty meaningless.

Hamilton would have to be judged the best driver of this (just ending)
era aided and abetted by the best car of the era.

On 12/15/2021 5:34 PM, Bigbird wrote:
> News wrote:
>
>> On 12/15/2021 4:04 PM, Bigbird wrote:
>>> News wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/15/2021 3:49 PM, Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> News wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/15/2021 2:55 PM, Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>> News wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/15/2021 1:25 PM, Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>> News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/15/2021 11:16 AM, Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/15/2021 8:34 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   <https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59666530>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Participation Trophy?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 7/8 WDC; GOAT
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's some participation.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> GOAT* with an asterisk: * In the GameBoy era.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Haters* gotta hate; losers* remain losers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *That's you that is. :-D
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Objective reality isn't your strength, apparently.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Participation Trophy?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure, I'm the one having trouble with "objective reality"*.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *for most of the less mentally challenged there is just
>>>>>>> "reality".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LOL!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So tell me how "objective reality" can be a "strength"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps you should refer back to what I said about losers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps you should consider that thinking you won is prima
>>>>>> facie evidence of your complete lack of objective reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like you think I won something.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think I won?
>>>>>
>>>>> How low is your self esteem? Limbo much?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What do you think you won? Your esteem, a line painted on the
>>>> floor?
>>>
>>> You're repeating yourself and borrowing from me like you are
>>> flustered and can't think for yourself.
>>>
>>> NOW you are really making me feel like you think I
>>> won...something... but not something to boast about. Perhaps you
>>> just realise you are a pathetic loser.
>>>
>>> I'd stop drawing attention to it if I were as unfortunate. It's the
>>> "objective reality".
>>>
>>
>> Self-examining your self-esteem, below that line painted on the floor?
>>
>> See a therapist.
>
> It's pathetic to see you trying to scrape yourself off the floor, loser.
>
> You are just playing for a participation medal now; ironic!
>

Feeble bird-bot

On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 00:07:09 -0000, Philip wrote:

> In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>,
> bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
>>
>> 7/8 WDC; GOAT
>>
>> That's some participation.
>
> GOAT??????????
>
> Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when
> he did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got
> that seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
>
> Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George
> Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than
> anybody else first time out.
>
> So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the
> driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very
> rarely did anything exceptional with it.

So why has Bottas often failed to match lewis in race performance?

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On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 5:34:39 AM UTC-8, Brian Lawrence wrote:
> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59666530>

So is it Sir Entitled Bashalot?

XYXPDQ wrote:

> On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 5:34:39 AM UTC-8, Brian Lawrence
> wrote:
> > <https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59666530>
>
>
> So is it Sir Entitled Bashalot?

Well it will never be Sir Sour Grapes so no need to dust off your tux.

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On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 20:04:05 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2021-12-15 7:07 p.m., Philip wrote:
>> In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>> 7/8 WDC; GOAT
>>>
>>> That's some participation.
>>
>> GOAT??????????
>>
>> Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when he
>> did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got that
>> seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
>>
>> Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George
>> Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than anybody
>> else first time out.
>>
>> So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the
>> driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very rarely
>> did anything exceptional with it.
>
>The driver is clearly much more than just a cog.

Yes, Hamilton 387.5 points, Bottas 226; Verstappen 395.5 points,
Perez190 tells its own tale.

BTW, glad to see you changing your tune at last, you insisted for
rather a long time that that the driver is only a small part of it,
that it's really all down to the car!

On 2021-12-16 3:51 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 20:04:05 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-12-15 7:07 p.m., Philip wrote:
>>> In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>> bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
>>>>
>>>> 7/8 WDC; GOAT
>>>>
>>>> That's some participation.
>>>
>>> GOAT??????????
>>>
>>> Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when he
>>> did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got that
>>> seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
>>>
>>> Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George
>>> Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than anybody
>>> else first time out.
>>>
>>> So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the
>>> driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very rarely
>>> did anything exceptional with it.
>>
>> The driver is clearly much more than just a cog.
>
> Yes, Hamilton 387.5 points, Bottas 226; Verstappen 395.5 points,
> Perez190 tells its own tale.
>
> BTW, glad to see you changing your tune at last, you insisted for
> rather a long time that that the driver is only a small part of it,
> that it's really all down to the car!
>
>

Being a small part doesn't mean he's no part.

On Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 5:48:09 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> Being a small part doesn't mean he's no part.

troll

On 2021-12-15 7:07 p.m., Philip wrote:
> In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>,
> bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
>>
>> 7/8 WDC; GOAT
>>
>> That's some participation.
>
> GOAT??????????
>
> Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when he
> did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got that
> seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
>
> Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George
> Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than anybody
> else first time out.
>
> So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the
> driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very rarely
> did anything exceptional with it.
>
Except between him and Vettel to promote gay rights.
cc texasgate

On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 19:48:07 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2021-12-16 3:51 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 20:04:05 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-12-15 7:07 p.m., Philip wrote:
>>>> In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>> bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
>>>>>
>>>>> 7/8 WDC; GOAT
>>>>>
>>>>> That's some participation.
>>>>
>>>> GOAT??????????
>>>>
>>>> Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when he
>>>> did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got that
>>>> seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
>>>>
>>>> Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George
>>>> Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than anybody
>>>> else first time out.
>>>>
>>>> So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the
>>>> driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very rarely
>>>> did anything exceptional with it.
>>>
>>> The driver is clearly much more than just a cog.
>>
>> Yes, Hamilton 387.5 points, Bottas 226; Verstappen 395.5 points,
>> Perez190 tells its own tale.
>>
>> BTW, glad to see you changing your tune at last, you insisted for
>> rather a long time that that the driver is only a small part of it,
>> that it's really all down to the car!
>>
>>
>
>Being a small part doesn't mean he's no part.

If teh driver is only a small part of it, what's your explanation for
the massive points gap between Hamiltion and Bottas and between
Verstappen and Perez?

On 2021-12-17 9:53 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 19:48:07 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-12-16 3:51 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 20:04:05 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-12-15 7:07 p.m., Philip wrote:
>>>>> In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>>> bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 7/8 WDC; GOAT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's some participation.
>>>>>
>>>>> GOAT??????????
>>>>>
>>>>> Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when he
>>>>> did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got that
>>>>> seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George
>>>>> Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than anybody
>>>>> else first time out.
>>>>>
>>>>> So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the
>>>>> driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very rarely
>>>>> did anything exceptional with it.
>>>>
>>>> The driver is clearly much more than just a cog.
>>>
>>> Yes, Hamilton 387.5 points, Bottas 226; Verstappen 395.5 points,
>>> Perez190 tells its own tale.
>>>
>>> BTW, glad to see you changing your tune at last, you insisted for
>>> rather a long time that that the driver is only a small part of it,
>>> that it's really all down to the car!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Being a small part doesn't mean he's no part.
>
> If teh driver is only a small part of it, what's your explanation for
> the massive points gap between Hamiltion and Bottas and between
> Verstappen and Perez?

Look at it the other way around.

If the driver is a large part of the performance of the package, what's
your explanation for Russell being so fast in the Mercedes (a car he had
to be shoehorned into) versus his performance in the Williams?

On Friday, December 17, 2021 at 9:49:47 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> Look at it the other way around.

fuck off, troll, ass licker,
useless piece of shit, idiot

On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 11:49:44 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2021-12-17 9:53 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 19:48:07 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-12-16 3:51 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 20:04:05 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2021-12-15 7:07 p.m., Philip wrote:
>>>>>> In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>>>> bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 7/8 WDC; GOAT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's some participation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> GOAT??????????
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when he
>>>>>> did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got that
>>>>>> seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George
>>>>>> Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than anybody
>>>>>> else first time out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the
>>>>>> driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very rarely
>>>>>> did anything exceptional with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The driver is clearly much more than just a cog.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, Hamilton 387.5 points, Bottas 226; Verstappen 395.5 points,
>>>> Perez190 tells its own tale.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, glad to see you changing your tune at last, you insisted for
>>>> rather a long time that that the driver is only a small part of it,
>>>> that it's really all down to the car!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Being a small part doesn't mean he's no part.
>>
>> If teh driver is only a small part of it, what's your explanation for
>> the massive points gap between Hamiltion and Bottas and between
>> Verstappen and Perez?
>
>Look at it the other way around.
>
>If the driver is a large part of the performance of the package, what's
>your explanation for Russell being so fast in the Mercedes (a car he had
>to be shoehorned into) versus his performance in the Williams?

You first - what's your explanation for the massive points gap between
Hamiltion and Bottas and between Verstappen and Perez?

On 2021-12-17 2:22 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 11:49:44 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-12-17 9:53 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>> On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 19:48:07 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-12-16 3:51 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 20:04:05 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2021-12-15 7:07 p.m., Philip wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>>>>> bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 7/8 WDC; GOAT
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's some participation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> GOAT??????????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when he
>>>>>>> did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got that
>>>>>>> seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George
>>>>>>> Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than anybody
>>>>>>> else first time out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the
>>>>>>> driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very rarely
>>>>>>> did anything exceptional with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The driver is clearly much more than just a cog.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, Hamilton 387.5 points, Bottas 226; Verstappen 395.5 points,
>>>>> Perez190 tells its own tale.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, glad to see you changing your tune at last, you insisted for
>>>>> rather a long time that that the driver is only a small part of it,
>>>>> that it's really all down to the car!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Being a small part doesn't mean he's no part.
>>>
>>> If teh driver is only a small part of it, what's your explanation for
>>> the massive points gap between Hamiltion and Bottas and between
>>> Verstappen and Perez?
>>
>> Look at it the other way around.
>>
>> If the driver is a large part of the performance of the package, what's
>> your explanation for Russell being so fast in the Mercedes (a car he had
>> to be shoehorned into) versus his performance in the Williams?
>
> You first - what's your explanation for the massive points gap between
> Hamiltion and Bottas and between Verstappen and Perez?

Nope. I've said they are a much smaller part than the car is. It doesn't
mean they aren't important. Hamilton is better than Bottas. Verstappen
is better than Perez.

Now you.

On Friday, December 17, 2021 at 12:37:38 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> Now you.

fuck off you childish trolling
dumb cunt

On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 14:37:35 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2021-12-17 2:22 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 11:49:44 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-12-17 9:53 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 19:48:07 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2021-12-16 3:51 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 20:04:05 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2021-12-15 7:07 p.m., Philip wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>>>>>> bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 7/8 WDC; GOAT
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's some participation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> GOAT??????????
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when he
>>>>>>>> did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got that
>>>>>>>> seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George
>>>>>>>> Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than anybody
>>>>>>>> else first time out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the
>>>>>>>> driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very rarely
>>>>>>>> did anything exceptional with it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The driver is clearly much more than just a cog.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, Hamilton 387.5 points, Bottas 226; Verstappen 395.5 points,
>>>>>> Perez190 tells its own tale.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, glad to see you changing your tune at last, you insisted for
>>>>>> rather a long time that that the driver is only a small part of it,
>>>>>> that it's really all down to the car!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Being a small part doesn't mean he's no part.
>>>>
>>>> If teh driver is only a small part of it, what's your explanation for
>>>> the massive points gap between Hamiltion and Bottas and between
>>>> Verstappen and Perez?
>>>
>>> Look at it the other way around.
>>>
>>> If the driver is a large part of the performance of the package, what's
>>> your explanation for Russell being so fast in the Mercedes (a car he had
>>> to be shoehorned into) versus his performance in the Williams?
>>
>> You first - what's your explanation for the massive points gap between
>> Hamiltion and Bottas and between Verstappen and Perez?
>
>Nope. I've said they are a much smaller part than the car is. It doesn't
>mean they aren't important. Hamilton is better than Bottas. Verstappen
>is better than Perez.
>
>Now you.

Apparently, you consider one driver in one race [1] to somehow
diminish Hamilton being 71% ahead of Bottas in points and Verstappen
scoring more than double Perez.

[1] Not to take anything away from Russell's superb drive that day,
I'm really looking forward to seeing him taking on Hamilton; he shows
every sign of beiong an exceptionally fast driver and we could well be
into a Hamilton/Rosberg type tussle.

On 2021-12-18 4:38 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 14:37:35 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-12-17 2:22 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 11:49:44 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-12-17 9:53 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 19:48:07 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2021-12-16 3:51 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 20:04:05 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2021-12-15 7:07 p.m., Philip wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>>>>>>> bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 7/8 WDC; GOAT
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's some participation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> GOAT??????????
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when he
>>>>>>>>> did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got that
>>>>>>>>> seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George
>>>>>>>>> Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than anybody
>>>>>>>>> else first time out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the
>>>>>>>>> driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very rarely
>>>>>>>>> did anything exceptional with it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The driver is clearly much more than just a cog.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, Hamilton 387.5 points, Bottas 226; Verstappen 395.5 points,
>>>>>>> Perez190 tells its own tale.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, glad to see you changing your tune at last, you insisted for
>>>>>>> rather a long time that that the driver is only a small part of it,
>>>>>>> that it's really all down to the car!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Being a small part doesn't mean he's no part.
>>>>>
>>>>> If teh driver is only a small part of it, what's your explanation for
>>>>> the massive points gap between Hamiltion and Bottas and between
>>>>> Verstappen and Perez?
>>>>
>>>> Look at it the other way around.
>>>>
>>>> If the driver is a large part of the performance of the package, what's
>>>> your explanation for Russell being so fast in the Mercedes (a car he had
>>>> to be shoehorned into) versus his performance in the Williams?
>>>
>>> You first - what's your explanation for the massive points gap between
>>> Hamiltion and Bottas and between Verstappen and Perez?
>>
>> Nope. I've said they are a much smaller part than the car is. It doesn't
>> mean they aren't important. Hamilton is better than Bottas. Verstappen
>> is better than Perez.
>>
>> Now you.
>
>
> Apparently, you consider one driver in one race [1] to somehow
> diminish Hamilton being 71% ahead of Bottas in points and Verstappen
> scoring more than double Perez.

No. I don't consider it diminishes Hamilton at all.

But it does very much point out how much it is the CAR that matters.

Ask yourself the opposite question if you like:

Put Hamilton in the Williams, and how often would he have scored points
this year?

>
> [1] Not to take anything away from Russell's superb drive that day,
> I'm really looking forward to seeing him taking on Hamilton; he shows
> every sign of beiong an exceptionally fast driver and we could well be
> into a Hamilton/Rosberg type tussle.

On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 10:09:11 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2021-12-18 4:38 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 14:37:35 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-12-17 2:22 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 11:49:44 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2021-12-17 9:53 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 19:48:07 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2021-12-16 3:51 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 20:04:05 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2021-12-15 7:07 p.m., Philip wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>>>>>>>> bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 7/8 WDC; GOAT
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's some participation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> GOAT??????????
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when he
>>>>>>>>>> did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got that
>>>>>>>>>> seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George
>>>>>>>>>> Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than anybody
>>>>>>>>>> else first time out.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the
>>>>>>>>>> driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very rarely
>>>>>>>>>> did anything exceptional with it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The driver is clearly much more than just a cog.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, Hamilton 387.5 points, Bottas 226; Verstappen 395.5 points,
>>>>>>>> Perez190 tells its own tale.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BTW, glad to see you changing your tune at last, you insisted for
>>>>>>>> rather a long time that that the driver is only a small part of it,
>>>>>>>> that it's really all down to the car!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Being a small part doesn't mean he's no part.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If teh driver is only a small part of it, what's your explanation for
>>>>>> the massive points gap between Hamiltion and Bottas and between
>>>>>> Verstappen and Perez?
>>>>>
>>>>> Look at it the other way around.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the driver is a large part of the performance of the package, what's
>>>>> your explanation for Russell being so fast in the Mercedes (a car he had
>>>>> to be shoehorned into) versus his performance in the Williams?
>>>>
>>>> You first - what's your explanation for the massive points gap between
>>>> Hamiltion and Bottas and between Verstappen and Perez?
>>>
>>> Nope. I've said they are a much smaller part than the car is. It doesn't
>>> mean they aren't important. Hamilton is better than Bottas. Verstappen
>>> is better than Perez.
>>>
>>> Now you.
>>
>>
>> Apparently, you consider one driver in one race [1] to somehow
>> diminish Hamilton being 71% ahead of Bottas in points and Verstappen
>> scoring more than double Perez.
>
>No. I don't consider it diminishes Hamilton at all.

So why have you been trying to downplay his impact all year? And why
are you ignoring the Verstappen/Perez difference.
>
>But it does very much point out how much it is the CAR that matters.

No one is arguing that a driver needs a good car to become WDC but the
points difference between Ham and Ver clearly illustrate the
difference made by exceptional driving abilities.

Your pathetic comparison of a Mercedes to a Williams simply
demonstrates your long-running antipathy towards Hamilton.

>
>Ask yourself the opposite question if you like:
>
>Put Hamilton in the Williams, and how often would he have scored points
>this year?

A *lot* more than most other drivers out there including, I suspect,
Russell but I'll be delighted if I'm proved wrong in that next year.

>
>>
>> [1] Not to take anything away from Russell's superb drive that day,
>> I'm really looking forward to seeing him taking on Hamilton; he shows
>> every sign of beiong an exceptionally fast driver and we could well be
>> into a Hamilton/Rosberg type tussle.

On 2021-12-18 12:44 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 10:09:11 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-12-18 4:38 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 14:37:35 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-12-17 2:22 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 11:49:44 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2021-12-17 9:53 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 19:48:07 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2021-12-16 3:51 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 20:04:05 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-12-15 7:07 p.m., Philip wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>>>>>>>>> bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 7/8 WDC; GOAT
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's some participation.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> GOAT??????????
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when he
>>>>>>>>>>> did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got that
>>>>>>>>>>> seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George
>>>>>>>>>>> Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than anybody
>>>>>>>>>>> else first time out.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the
>>>>>>>>>>> driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very rarely
>>>>>>>>>>> did anything exceptional with it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The driver is clearly much more than just a cog.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, Hamilton 387.5 points, Bottas 226; Verstappen 395.5 points,
>>>>>>>>> Perez190 tells its own tale.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BTW, glad to see you changing your tune at last, you insisted for
>>>>>>>>> rather a long time that that the driver is only a small part of it,
>>>>>>>>> that it's really all down to the car!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Being a small part doesn't mean he's no part.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If teh driver is only a small part of it, what's your explanation for
>>>>>>> the massive points gap between Hamiltion and Bottas and between
>>>>>>> Verstappen and Perez?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Look at it the other way around.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the driver is a large part of the performance of the package, what's
>>>>>> your explanation for Russell being so fast in the Mercedes (a car he had
>>>>>> to be shoehorned into) versus his performance in the Williams?
>>>>>
>>>>> You first - what's your explanation for the massive points gap between
>>>>> Hamiltion and Bottas and between Verstappen and Perez?
>>>>
>>>> Nope. I've said they are a much smaller part than the car is. It doesn't
>>>> mean they aren't important. Hamilton is better than Bottas. Verstappen
>>>> is better than Perez.
>>>>
>>>> Now you.
>>>
>>>
>>> Apparently, you consider one driver in one race [1] to somehow
>>> diminish Hamilton being 71% ahead of Bottas in points and Verstappen
>>> scoring more than double Perez.
>>
>> No. I don't consider it diminishes Hamilton at all.
>
> So why have you been trying to downplay his impact all year? And why
> are you ignoring the Verstappen/Perez difference.

I'm not.

But clearly the car is a far larger part of the equation.

Russell in a Mercedes is instantly a threat to win.

Hamilton in a Williams would be lucky to score points.

>>
>> But it does very much point out how much it is the CAR that matters.
>
> No one is arguing that a driver needs a good car to become WDC but the
> points difference between Ham and Ver clearly illustrate the
> difference made by exceptional driving abilities.
>
> Your pathetic comparison of a Mercedes to a Williams simply
> demonstrates your long-running antipathy towards Hamilton.

Since I have no such antipathy, you're simply wrong.

>
>>
>> Ask yourself the opposite question if you like:
>>
>> Put Hamilton in the Williams, and how often would he have scored points
>> this year?
>
> A *lot* more than most other drivers out there including, I suspect,
> Russell but I'll be delighted if I'm proved wrong in that next year.

You know as well as I do that Hamilton would only have scored a few more
than Russell.

Russell demonstrated he's instantly good enough to win if you put him in
a Mercedes, and discounting the weirdness that was Belgium, his best
finish all year was 8th in Hungary.

He only scored points in 4 GPs all year.

He was only as many as two places out of the points two other times.

Hamilton would have no chance to win in the Williams unless something
bizarre happened. None at all.

The car is simply much more important than the driver.

On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 11:28:39 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> The car is simply much more important than the driver.

speaking of simple

Alan wrote:
> > Your pathetic comparison of a Mercedes to a Williams simply
> > demonstrates your long-running antipathy towards Hamilton.
>
> Since I have no such antipathy, you're simply wrong.
>

LOL.

It must upset you deeply that so many people have expressed disbelief
over the years.

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On 2021-12-19 9:19 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>>> Your pathetic comparison of a Mercedes to a Williams simply
>>> demonstrates your long-running antipathy towards Hamilton.
>>
>> Since I have no such antipathy, you're simply wrong.
>>
>
> LOL.
>
> It must upset you deeply that so many people have expressed disbelief
> over the years.
>

Nope. Sorry.

On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 7:44:05 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> Nope. Sorry.

sorry is for pussys
you fucking pussy

Alan wrote:

> On 2021-12-19 9:19 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > > Your pathetic comparison of a Mercedes to a Williams simply
> > > > demonstrates your long-running antipathy towards Hamilton.
> > >
> > > Since I have no such antipathy, you're simply wrong.
> > >
> >
> > LOL.
> >
> > It must upset you deeply that so many people have expressed
> > disbelief over the years.
> >
>
> Nope. Sorry.

Really, so you expect to be disbelieved.

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