https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of your
own driver then ...

geoff

On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
> https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647
>
> Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of your
> own driver then ...

Since Horner is intimately acquainted with the situation...

....and you're not...

On 8/03/2022 10:28 am, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
>> https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647
>>
>> Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of
>> your own driver then ...
>
> Since Horner is intimately acquainted with the situation...
>
> ...and you're not...

Very intimately - having been a party to bullying Masi into his faulty
decision(s) - who was either out of his depth wrt the actual rules, or
vulnerable to partisan pressure.

geoff

On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 2:28:55 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> ...and you're not...

likewise you
you stupid cunt

On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
> https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647
>
> Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of your
> own driver then ...
>
> geoff

'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying to
follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending under
a safety-car period.'

So...

....who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

On 8/03/2022 11:52 am, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
>> https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647
>>
>> Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of
>> your own driver then ...
>>
>> geoff
>
> 'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying to
> follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending under
> a safety-car period.'
>
> So...
>
> ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and neither do
you. Maybe nobody else.

However, irrelevant. Whoever said what, the wrong decisions are still
wrong decisions. He was the race director and should have had a solid
appreciation of the rules, and should have appreciated that they should
not be bent in response to whoever saying whatever.

geoff

On 2022-03-07 6:09 p.m., geoff wrote:
> On 8/03/2022 11:52 am, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>> https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647
>>>
>>> Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of
>>> your own driver then ...
>>>
>>> geoff
>>
>> 'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying
>> to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending
>> under a safety-car period.'
>>
>> So...
>>
>> ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?
>
> Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and neither do
> you.  Maybe nobody else.

Horner is reported as saying exactly what I was telling you.

>
> However, irrelevant. Whoever said what, the wrong decisions are still
> wrong decisions. He was the race director and should have had a solid
> appreciation of the rules, and should have appreciated that they should
> not be bent in response to whoever saying whatever.

Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what tends
to happen.

On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 7:25:35 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> Sorry,

sorry is for pussys
you fucking pussy

On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 7:09:40 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote:

> Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and neither do
> you. Maybe nobody else.

form a fucking sentence
fuck are dim
are you alan?
rtr?

On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 7:09:40 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote:

> Um, Horner ?

Um?
you fucking faggot

On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 7:25:35 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what tends
> to happen.

you fucking faggot

On 2022-03-07 7:57 p.m., texas gate wrote:
> On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 7:25:35 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
>
>> Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what tends
>> to happen.
>
> you fucking faggot

Seriously?

Are you always going to be this dull?

On 8/03/2022 3:25 pm, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-03-07 6:09 p.m., geoff wrote:
>> On 8/03/2022 11:52 am, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>> https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647
>>>>
>>>> Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of
>>>> your own driver then ...
>>>>
>>>> geoff
>>>
>>> 'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying
>>> to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending
>>> under a safety-car period.'
>>>
>>> So...
>>>
>>> ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?
>>
>> Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and neither do
>> you.  Maybe nobody else.
>
> Horner is reported as saying exactly what I was telling you.
>
>>
>> However, irrelevant. Whoever said what, the wrong decisions are still
>> wrong decisions. He was the race director and should have had a solid
>> appreciation of the rules, and should have appreciated that they
>> should not be bent in response to whoever saying whatever.
>
> Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what tends
> to happen.

OK - your trick. Please cite proof.

geoff

On 8/03/2022 7:24 am, geoff wrote:
> https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647
>
> Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of your
> own driver then ...
>
> geoff

Interestingly in a fan poll on Speed-Cafe, 2/3rds of the respondent felt
that he should not have been sacked.

On 2022-03-07 10:33 p.m., geoff wrote:
> On 8/03/2022 3:25 pm, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-03-07 6:09 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>> On 8/03/2022 11:52 am, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>>> https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647
>>>>>
>>>>> Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of
>>>>> your own driver then ...
>>>>>
>>>>> geoff
>>>>
>>>> 'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was
>>>> trying to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid
>>>> races ending under a safety-car period.'
>>>>
>>>> So...
>>>>
>>>> ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?
>>>
>>> Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and neither do
>>> you.  Maybe nobody else.
>>
>> Horner is reported as saying exactly what I was telling you.
>>
>>>
>>> However, irrelevant. Whoever said what, the wrong decisions are still
>>> wrong decisions. He was the race director and should have had a solid
>>> appreciation of the rules, and should have appreciated that they
>>> should not be bent in response to whoever saying whatever.
>>
>> Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what tends
>> to happen.
>
>
> OK - your trick.  Please cite proof.

Do you dispute that Christian Horner stated that:

'Masi was trying to follow guidance directing him to do his best to
avoid races ending under a safety-car period.'

Yes or no?

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2022-03-07 6:09 p.m., geoff wrote:
>> On 8/03/2022 11:52 am, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>> https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647
>>>>
>>>> Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of
>>>> your own driver then ...
>>>>
>>>> geoff
>>>
>>> 'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying
>>> to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending
>>> under a safety-car period.'
>>>
>>> So...
>>>
>>> ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?
>>
>> Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and neither do
>> you.  Maybe nobody else.
>
> Horner is reported as saying exactly what I was telling you.
>
>>
>> However, irrelevant. Whoever said what, the wrong decisions are still
>> wrong decisions. He was the race director and should have had a solid
>> appreciation of the rules, and should have appreciated that they should
>> not be bent in response to whoever saying whatever.
>
> Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what tends
> to happen.
>

Masi’s boss is the FIA, the regulator of F1. Are you saying it is bent?

--
Sir Tim

On 2022-03-07 11:46 p.m., Sir Tim wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-03-07 6:09 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>> On 8/03/2022 11:52 am, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>>> https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647
>>>>>
>>>>> Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of
>>>>> your own driver then ...
>>>>>
>>>>> geoff
>>>>
>>>> 'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying
>>>> to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending
>>>> under a safety-car period.'
>>>>
>>>> So...
>>>>
>>>> ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?
>>>
>>> Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and neither do
>>> you.  Maybe nobody else.
>>
>> Horner is reported as saying exactly what I was telling you.
>>
>>>
>>> However, irrelevant. Whoever said what, the wrong decisions are still
>>> wrong decisions. He was the race director and should have had a solid
>>> appreciation of the rules, and should have appreciated that they should
>>> not be bent in response to whoever saying whatever.
>>
>> Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what tends
>> to happen.
>>
>
> Masi’s boss is the FIA, the regulator of F1. Are you saying it is bent?
>

1. They don't have to be "bent" to think it is in the best interests of
F1 for the best season in 20 years not to end behind a safety car.

Why does "bent" enter into it from what I said?

2. Come to think of it, do you know an international sports governing
body that ISN'T bent? Or do think that which countries get GPs isn't
determined by graft?

On 8/03/2022 5:46 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-03-07 6:09 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>> On 8/03/2022 11:52 am, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>>> https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647
>>>>>
>>>>> Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of
>>>>> your own driver then ...
>>>>>
>>>>> geoff
>>>>
>>>> 'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying
>>>> to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending
>>>> under a safety-car period.'
>>>>
>>>> So...
>>>>
>>>> ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?
>>>
>>> Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and neither do
>>> you.  Maybe nobody else.
>>
>> Horner is reported as saying exactly what I was telling you.
>>
>>>
>>> However, irrelevant. Whoever said what, the wrong decisions are still
>>> wrong decisions. He was the race director and should have had a solid
>>> appreciation of the rules, and should have appreciated that they should
>>> not be bent in response to whoever saying whatever.
>>
>> Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what tends
>> to happen.
>>
>
> Masi’s boss is the FIA, the regulator of F1. Are you saying it is bent?
>
There have been plenty of accusations that Masi is "Bent" and
deliberately set out to rob Hamilton of the title.

On 2022-03-08, keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
> On 8/03/2022 5:46 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2022-03-07 6:09 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>> On 8/03/2022 11:52 am, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>>>> https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of
>>>>>> your own driver then ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> geoff
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying
>>>>> to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending
>>>>> under a safety-car period.'
>>>>>
>>>>> So...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?
>>>>
>>>> Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and neither do
>>>> you.  Maybe nobody else.
>>>
>>> Horner is reported as saying exactly what I was telling you.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> However, irrelevant. Whoever said what, the wrong decisions are still
>>>> wrong decisions. He was the race director and should have had a solid
>>>> appreciation of the rules, and should have appreciated that they should
>>>> not be bent in response to whoever saying whatever.
>>>
>>> Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what tends
>>> to happen.
>>>
>>
>> Masi’s boss is the FIA, the regulator of F1. Are you saying it is bent?
>>
> There have been plenty of accusations that Masi is "Bent" and
> deliberately set out to rob Hamilton of the title.

Why would he do that? "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." There have been more controversial discussions over the season, not just in the last race. If it was deliberate it was, uhm, finely timed :-)

-peter

durian <durian@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 2022-03-08, keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> There have been plenty of accusations that Masi is "Bent" and
>> deliberately set out to rob Hamilton of the title.
>
> Why would he do that? "Never attribute to malice that which is
> adequately explained by stupidity." There have been more controversial
> discussions over the season, not just in the last race. If it was
> deliberate it was, uhm, finely timed :-)

I saw a man under too much pressure who buckled. I think the decision
was wrong but not corrupt.

I think that Horner is right that Mercedes put a lot of pressure on Masi
and others throughout the season and that isn't right either. What's
astounding is that this observation can come from Horner and Red Bull
who are *just* as bad for putting pressure onto officials and calling
to the court of public opinion when things aren't going their way.

F1 needs this to be handled strongly and even-handedly without fear or
favour. If it's done right, they should also be handing out penalties
for speaking out of turn as I think many have been guilty of this year.
"Bringing the sport into disrepute" is a useful tool. If a decision is
come to behind closed doors, going off and rehashing it (before or
after) with the press just creates impossible situations, and I don't
think Wolff, Horner or Marko can claim to have been blameless
throughout.

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
> > https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647
> >
> > Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of
> > your own driver then ...
> >
> > geoff
>
> 'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying
> to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending
> under a safety-car period.'
>
> So...
>
> ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

Do you have a cite for that.

Sounds like another one pulled out of your arse.

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On 2022-03-08 3:07 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>> https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647
>>>
>>> Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of
>>> your own driver then ...
>>>
>>> geoff
>>
>> 'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying
>> to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending
>> under a safety-car period.'
>>
>> So...
>>
>> ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?
>
> Do you have a cite for that.

The article above.

>
> Sounds like another one pulled out of your arse.
>

On 2022-03-08 1:32 a.m., keithr0 wrote:
> On 8/03/2022 5:46 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2022-03-07 6:09 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>> On 8/03/2022 11:52 am, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>>>> https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of
>>>>>> your own driver then ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> geoff
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying
>>>>> to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending
>>>>> under a safety-car period.'
>>>>>
>>>>> So...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?
>>>>
>>>> Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and neither do
>>>> you.  Maybe nobody else.
>>>
>>> Horner is reported as saying exactly what I was telling you.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> However, irrelevant. Whoever said what, the wrong decisions are still
>>>> wrong decisions. He was the race director and should have had a solid
>>>> appreciation of the rules, and should have appreciated that they should
>>>> not be bent in response to whoever saying whatever.
>>>
>>> Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what tends
>>> to happen.
>>>
>>
>> Masi’s boss is the FIA, the regulator of F1. Are you saying it is bent?
>>
> There have been plenty of accusations that Masi is "Bent" and
> deliberately set out to rob Hamilton of the title.

Bullshit.

Produce one.

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-03-08 3:07 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
> > > > https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647
> > > >
> > > > Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in
> > > > favour of your own driver then ...
> > > >
> > > > geoff
> > >
> > > 'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was
> > > trying to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid
> > > races ending under a safety-car period.'
> > >
> > > So...
> > >
> > > ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?
> >
> > Do you have a cite for that.
>
> The article above.
>

Tells us nothing about the source of any supposed guidance and who it
came from.

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Alan wrote:

> On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
> > https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647
> >
> > Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of
> > your own driver then ...
> >
> > geoff
>
> 'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying
> to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending
> under a safety-car period.'
>
> So...
>
> ...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

Oh FFS, we've been over this. It was his job to follow and enforce the
regulations. If there were guidance that required a regulation change
they would have put one to the teams. There was not.
Are you really claiming to be too ignorant to know the difference
between something being "desirable" and being given authority to
override/ignore the written regulations?

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