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* Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 58 Organizational ThreadFutbolmetrix
+- Re: Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 58 Organizational ThreadFutbolmetrix
+- Re: Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 58 Organizational Threadmilivella
+- Re: Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 58 Organizational ThreadThe Doctor
+* Re: Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 58 Organizational ThreadMH
|`* Re: Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 58 Organizational ThreadFutbolmetrix
| `* Re: Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 58 Organizational ThreadMark
|  `- Re: Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 58 Organizational Threadmilivella
+* Re: Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 58 Organizational ThreadBlueshirt
|`- Re: Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 58 Organizational ThreadThe Doctor
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+- Re: Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 58 Organizational ThreadMark
+* Re: Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 58 Organizational ThreadWerner Pichler
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|`- Re: Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 58 Organizational ThreadFutbolmetrix
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 by: Futbolmetrix - Wed, 17 Apr 2024 22:49 UTC

Futbolmetrix wrote:

> Futbolmetrix wrote:

>> Fair enough, we'll go with these tiers.

> This is the schedule:

> MD1 MD2 MD3 MD4 MD5 MD6 MD7
> A1-A2 A2-A3 A3-A1 A1-A3 C3-A3 A2-A1 A3-A2
> B1-B2 B2-B3 B3-B1 B1-B3 B1-C2 B2-B1 B3-B2
> C1-C2 C3-C1 C3-C2 C2-C3 B2-A2 C2-C1 C1-C3
> A3-B3 C2-A1 C1-B2 A2-C1 A1, B3, C1 bye B3-C3 A1-B1
> C3 bye B1 bye A2 bye B2 bye A3 bye C2 bye

and the matrix of home and away matches:

Home-Away schedule (H=1, A=0) Number of home matches
A1 1 0 0 1 . 0 1 3
A2 0 1 . 1 0 1 0 3
A3 1 0 1 0 0 . 1 3
B1 1 . 0 1 1 0 0 3
B2 0 1 0 . 1 1 0 3
B3 0 0 1 0 . 1 1 3
C1 1 0 1 0 . 0 1 3
C2 0 1 0 1 0 1 . 3
C3 . 1 1 0 1 0 0 3

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 by: The Doctor - Wed, 17 Apr 2024 23:58 UTC

In article <fea58a3221fb3dd0d6a474d9493f2331@www.novabbs.com>,
Futbolmetrix <futbolmetrix@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Futbolmetrix wrote:
>
>> Futbolmetrix wrote:
>
>
>>> Fair enough, we'll go with these tiers.
>
>
>> This is the schedule:
>
>
>> MD1 MD2 MD3 MD4 MD5 MD6 MD7
>> A1-A2 A2-A3 A3-A1 A1-A3 C3-A3 A2-A1 A3-A2
>> B1-B2 B2-B3 B3-B1 B1-B3 B1-C2 B2-B1 B3-B2
>> C1-C2 C3-C1 C3-C2 C2-C3 B2-A2 C2-C1 C1-C3
>> A3-B3 C2-A1 C1-B2 A2-C1 A1, B3, C1 bye B3-C3 A1-B1
>> C3 bye B1 bye A2 bye B2 bye A3 bye C2 bye
>
>
>and the matrix of home and away matches:
>
>Home-Away schedule (H=1, A=0) Number of home matches
>A1 1 0 0 1 . 0 1 3
>A2 0 1 . 1 0 1 0 3
>A3 1 0 1 0 0 . 1 3
>B1 1 . 0 1 1 0 0 3
>B2 0 1 0 . 1 1 0 3
>B3 0 0 1 0 . 1 1 3
>C1 1 0 1 0 . 0 1 3
>C2 0 1 0 1 0 1 . 3
>C3 . 1 1 0 1 0 0 3

Let us get more back and in!
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Futbolmetrix wrote:

> milivella wrote:
>
> > The way I did it was:
> > "Who will play in each tier is decided: players are assigned to
> > tiers scrolling down...
> >1. ...last season rankings, considering that 2.I > 1.III > 2.II >
> 1.IV, where 1 is the higher tier, 2 the lower tier and the Roman
> numbers mean the place in the tier
> > 2. ...then, the ranking of the qualification round for the new
> > players." (Daniele, is upt_rules.txt in our shared folder)
>
> > I think the reasoning behind this rule was indeed to have the
> > winner of a tier be actually promoted in cases like this.
>
>
> Ah well, if it says so in the rules...
>
>
> > So the tiers would be:
>
> > 1
> > MH
> > The Doctor
> > Futbolmetrix
>
> > 2
> > Mark
> > Werner Pichler
> > milivella
>
> > 3
> > Jesper Lauridsen
> > Jesus Petry
> > Blueshirt
>
> Fair enough, we'll go with these tiers.
>
According to the rules at the beginning of the season, 3rd place was
enough to stay in Division 1. You can't change that after the season
has finished. FC Mark have earned our place in Tier 1.

Any changes like that should be made known before the season starts, so
we know what we're playing for from the start of the season.

And if nothing short of finishing runners-up means avoiding relegation,
doesn't that show how bad an idea 3 teams in each division is?

And what about all our fans who have already bought season tickets
expecting top tier teams and a chance of seeing FC Mark win the
Championship?

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 by: Blueshirt - Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:44 UTC

Mark wrote:

> Futbolmetrix wrote:
>
> > milivella wrote:
> >
> > > So the tiers would be:
> >
> > > 1
> > > MH
> > > The Doctor
> > > Futbolmetrix
> > >
> > > 2
> > > Mark
> > > Werner Pichler
> > > milivella
> > >
> > > 3
> > > Jesper Lauridsen
> > > Jesus Petry
> > > Blueshirt
> >
> > Fair enough, we'll go with these tiers.
> >
> According to the rules at the beginning of the season, 3rd
> place was enough to stay in Division 1. You can't change that
> after the season has finished. FC Mark have earned our place
> in Tier 1.

FC Mark must have had points deducted for breaking FFP rules...
> Any changes like that should be made known before the season
> starts, so we know what we're playing for from the start of
> the season.
>
> And if nothing short of finishing runners-up means avoiding
> relegation, doesn't that show how bad an idea 3 teams in each
> division is?

Second is nowhere. If you don't win, you're a loser. Losing
shouldn't be rewarded. Throw that silver medal back in to the
crowd.
> And what about all our fans who have already bought season
> tickets expecting top tier teams and a chance of seeing FC
> Mark win the Championship?

Unless they post here and complain, these "fans" do not exist!!!
:-)

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 by: milivella - Mon, 22 Apr 2024 02:03 UTC

Mark:

> Futbolmetrix wrote:
>
>> milivella wrote:
>>
>>> The way I did it was:
>>> "Who will play in each tier is decided: players are assigned to
>>> tiers scrolling down...
>>> 1. ...last season rankings, considering that 2.I > 1.III > 2.II >
>> 1.IV, where 1 is the higher tier, 2 the lower tier and the Roman
>> numbers mean the place in the tier
>>> 2. ...then, the ranking of the qualification round for the new
>>> players." (Daniele, is upt_rules.txt in our shared folder)
>>
>>> I think the reasoning behind this rule was indeed to have the
>>> winner of a tier be actually promoted in cases like this.
>>
>>
>> Ah well, if it says so in the rules...
>>
>>
>>> So the tiers would be:
>>
>>> 1
>>> MH
>>> The Doctor
>>> Futbolmetrix
>>
>>> 2
>>> Mark
>>> Werner Pichler
>>> milivella
>>
>>> 3
>>> Jesper Lauridsen
>>> Jesus Petry
>>> Blueshirt
>>
>> Fair enough, we'll go with these tiers.
>>
> According to the rules at the beginning of the season, 3rd place was
> enough to stay in Division 1. You can't change that after the season
> has finished. FC Mark have earned our place in Tier 1.
>
> Any changes like that should be made known before the season starts, so
> we know what we're playing for from the start of the season.

This is not a change of the rules, as they have been this way since
literally before the game started:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/itNFWMnGJ7k/m/abpP27cF-PoJ
Of course this does not mean that every player was aware of this corner
case, which would have been desirable. :(

> And if nothing short of finishing runners-up means avoiding relegation,
> doesn't that show how bad an idea 3 teams in each division is?

It makes sense. However, 1st not being promoted is worse than 3rd out of
4 being relegated.

> And what about all our fans who have already bought season tickets
> expecting top tier teams and a chance of seeing FC Mark win the
> Championship?

I guess the gamemaster will have to reimburse them?

Again, I would do anything rather than favoring Futbolmetrix over you,
but my evi... I mean, my integrity as a gamemaster forces me.

--
Cheers
milivella

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 by: milivella - Mon, 22 Apr 2024 02:42 UTC

BTW, I know you were joking, Mark. But there was a kernel of truth in
your joke, and I wanted to reply to that kernel.
Il 22/04/2024 04:03, milivella ha scritto:
> Mark:
>
>> Futbolmetrix wrote:
>>
>>> milivella wrote:
>>>
>>>> The way I did it was:
>>>> "Who will play in each tier is decided: players are assigned to
>>>> tiers  scrolling down...
>>>> 1. ...last season rankings, considering that 2.I > 1.III > 2.II >
>>> 1.IV,  where 1 is the higher tier, 2 the lower tier and the Roman
>>> numbers mean  the place in the tier
>>>> 2. ...then, the ranking of the qualification round for the new
>>>> players." (Daniele, is upt_rules.txt in our shared folder)
>>>
>>>> I think the reasoning behind this rule was indeed to have the
>>>> winner of  a tier be actually promoted in cases like this.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ah well, if it says so in the rules...
>>>
>>>
>>>> So the tiers would be:
>>>
>>>> 1
>>>> MH
>>>> The Doctor
>>>> Futbolmetrix
>>>
>>>> 2
>>>> Mark
>>>> Werner Pichler
>>>> milivella
>>>
>>>> 3
>>>> Jesper Lauridsen
>>>> Jesus Petry
>>>> Blueshirt
>>>
>>> Fair enough, we'll go with these tiers.
>>>
>> According to the rules at the beginning of the season, 3rd place was
>> enough to stay in Division 1. You can't change that after the season
>> has finished. FC Mark have earned our place in Tier 1.
>>
>> Any changes like that should be made known before the season starts, so
>> we know what we're playing for from the start of the season.
>
> This is not a change of the rules, as they have been this way since
> literally before the game started:
> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/itNFWMnGJ7k/m/abpP27cF-PoJ
> Of course this does not mean that every player was aware of this corner
> case, which would have been desirable. :(
>
>> And if nothing short of finishing runners-up means avoiding relegation,
>> doesn't that show how bad an idea 3 teams in each division is?
>
> It makes sense. However, 1st not being promoted is worse than 3rd out of
> 4 being relegated.
>
>> And what about all our fans who have already bought season tickets
>> expecting top tier teams and a chance of seeing FC Mark win the
>> Championship?
>
> I guess the gamemaster will have to reimburse them?
>
> Again, I would do anything rather than favoring Futbolmetrix over you,
> but my evi... I mean, my integrity as a gamemaster forces me.
>
> --
> Cheers
> milivella

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 by: Futbolmetrix - Mon, 22 Apr 2024 11:17 UTC

Mark wrote:

> According to the rules at the beginning of the season, 3rd place was
> enough to stay in Division 1. You can't change that after the season
> has finished. FC Mark have earned our place in Tier 1.

Sorry, Mark, it is what it is. You can take consolation in the fact that you would not be the first case of a team who is utterly dominant in its domestic league that its rivals had to find some legal shenaningans to get it (at least temporarily) out of the way.

If you want, you can deem the winner of season 58 as illegitimate and start counting titles according to your own scale. Not that anybody would actually do that outside of UPT world!

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 by: Mark - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 09:08 UTC

milivella wrote:

> Mark:
>
> > Futbolmetrix wrote:
> >
> > > milivella wrote:
> > >
> > > > The way I did it was:
> > > > "Who will play in each tier is decided: players are assigned to
> > > > tiers scrolling down...
> >>>1. ...last season rankings, considering that 2.I > 1.III > 2.II >
> > > 1.IV, where 1 is the higher tier, 2 the lower tier and the Roman
> > > numbers mean the place in the tier
> > > > 2. ...then, the ranking of the qualification round for the new
> > > > players." (Daniele, is upt_rules.txt in our shared folder)
> > >
> > > > I think the reasoning behind this rule was indeed to have the
> > > > winner of a tier be actually promoted in cases like this.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ah well, if it says so in the rules...
> > >
> > >
> > > > So the tiers would be:
> > >
> > > > 1
> > > > MH
> > > > The Doctor
> > > > Futbolmetrix
> > >
> > > > 2
> > > > Mark
> > > > Werner Pichler
> > > > milivella
> > >
> > > > 3
> > > > Jesper Lauridsen
> > > > Jesus Petry
> > > > Blueshirt
> > >
> > > Fair enough, we'll go with these tiers.
> > >
> > According to the rules at the beginning of the season, 3rd place was
> > enough to stay in Division 1. You can't change that after the season
> > has finished. FC Mark have earned our place in Tier 1.
> >
> > Any changes like that should be made known before the season
> > starts, so we know what we're playing for from the start of the
> > season.
>
> This is not a change of the rules, as they have been this way since
> literally before the game started:
> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/itNFWMnGJ7k/m/abpP27cF-
> PoJ Of course this does not mean that every player was aware of this
> corner case, which would have been desirable. :(

The rules say that there are 4 teams in each tier, so it is a change in
the rules. And what it says in that link is referring to a team leaving
the League, not a restructuring of the League. And it also assumes 4
teams in each Division.
>
> > And if nothing short of finishing runners-up means avoiding
> > relegation, doesn't that show how bad an idea 3 teams in each
> > division is?
>
> It makes sense. However, 1st not being promoted is worse than 3rd out
> of 4 being relegated.

Neither were necessary. We could have had 1 tier with 4 teams and 1
tier with 5; or we could have gone with Jesus's suggestion of some
football clubs fielding reserve teams, which was apparently never
considered. (Option B didn't even get the most votes.)
>
> > And what about all our fans who have already bought season tickets
> > expecting top tier teams and a chance of seeing FC Mark win the
> > Championship?
>
> I guess the gamemaster will have to reimburse them?

If that happens I'll consider abandoning any plans to take this to the
Court of arbitration for sport.
>
> Again, I would do anything rather than favoring Futbolmetrix over
> you, but my evi... I mean, my integrity as a gamemaster forces me.

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 by: milivella - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 10:56 UTC

Mark:

> milivella wrote:
>
>> Mark:
>>
>>> Futbolmetrix wrote:
>>>
>>>> milivella wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The way I did it was:
>>>>> "Who will play in each tier is decided: players are assigned to
>>>>> tiers scrolling down...
>>>>> 1. ...last season rankings, considering that 2.I > 1.III > 2.II >
>>>> 1.IV, where 1 is the higher tier, 2 the lower tier and the Roman
>>>> numbers mean the place in the tier
>>>>> 2. ...then, the ranking of the qualification round for the new
>>>>> players." (Daniele, is upt_rules.txt in our shared folder)
>>>>
>>>>> I think the reasoning behind this rule was indeed to have the
>>>>> winner of a tier be actually promoted in cases like this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ah well, if it says so in the rules...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> So the tiers would be:
>>>>
>>>>> 1
>>>>> MH
>>>>> The Doctor
>>>>> Futbolmetrix
>>>>
>>>>> 2
>>>>> Mark
>>>>> Werner Pichler
>>>>> milivella
>>>>
>>>>> 3
>>>>> Jesper Lauridsen
>>>>> Jesus Petry
>>>>> Blueshirt
>>>>
>>>> Fair enough, we'll go with these tiers.
>>>>
>>> According to the rules at the beginning of the season, 3rd place was
>>> enough to stay in Division 1. You can't change that after the season
>>> has finished. FC Mark have earned our place in Tier 1.
>>>
>>> Any changes like that should be made known before the season
>>> starts, so we know what we're playing for from the start of the
>>> season.
>>
>> This is not a change of the rules, as they have been this way since
>> literally before the game started:
>> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/itNFWMnGJ7k/m/abpP27cF-
>> PoJ Of course this does not mean that every player was aware of this
>> corner case, which would have been desirable. :(
>
> The rules say that there are 4 teams in each tier, so it is a change in
> the rules.

Nah, we have had 3 team tiers in the past. Even the link I posted refers
to 3- and 2-team tiers.

> And what it says in that link is referring to a team leaving
> the League, not a restructuring of the League.

That is clearly marked as an example ("e.g.").

> And it also assumes 4
> teams in each Division.

No, it is four in all tiers "bar eventually the bottom two".

Anyway, we just voted about changing the number of teams in each tier.

>>> And what about all our fans who have already bought season tickets
>>> expecting top tier teams and a chance of seeing FC Mark win the
>>> Championship?
>>
>> I guess the gamemaster will have to reimburse them?
>
> If that happens I'll consider abandoning any plans to take this to the
> Court of arbitration for sport.

I want to see the trial of the century!

--
Cheers
milivella

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 by: Mark - Wed, 24 Apr 2024 19:13 UTC

milivella wrote:

> Mark:
>
> > milivella wrote:
> >
> > > Mark:
> > >
> > > > Futbolmetrix wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > milivella wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The way I did it was:
> > > > > > "Who will play in each tier is decided: players are
> > > > > > assigned to tiers scrolling down...
> >>>>>1. ...last season rankings, considering that 2.I > 1.III > 2.II >
> > > > > 1.IV, where 1 is the higher tier, 2 the lower tier and the
> > > > > Roman numbers mean the place in the tier
> > > > > > 2. ...then, the ranking of the qualification round for the
> > > > > > new players." (Daniele, is upt_rules.txt in our shared
> > > > > > folder)
> > > > >
> > > > > > I think the reasoning behind this rule was indeed to have
> > > > > > the winner of a tier be actually promoted in cases like
> > > > > > this.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ah well, if it says so in the rules...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > So the tiers would be:
> > > > >
> > > > > > 1
> > > > > > MH
> > > > > > The Doctor
> > > > > > Futbolmetrix
> > > > >
> > > > > > 2
> > > > > > Mark
> > > > > > Werner Pichler
> > > > > > milivella
> > > > >
> > > > > > 3
> > > > > > Jesper Lauridsen
> > > > > > Jesus Petry
> > > > > > Blueshirt
> > > > >
> > > > > Fair enough, we'll go with these tiers.
> > > > >
> > > > According to the rules at the beginning of the season, 3rd
> > > > place was enough to stay in Division 1. You can't change that
> > > > after the season has finished. FC Mark have earned our place in
> > > > Tier 1.
> > > >
> > > > Any changes like that should be made known before the season
> > > > starts, so we know what we're playing for from the start of the
> > > > season.
> > >
> > > This is not a change of the rules, as they have been this way
> > > since literally before the game started:
> > >
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/itNFWMnGJ7k/m/abpP27cF-
> > > PoJ Of course this does not mean that every player was aware of
> > > this corner case, which would have been desirable. :(
> >
> > The rules say that there are 4 teams in each tier, so it is a
> > change in the rules.
>
> Nah, we have had 3 team tiers in the past. Even the link I posted
> refers to 3- and 2-team tiers.

I don't remember ever having had 3 team tiers. When was that?
>
> > And what it says in that link is referring to a team leaving
> > the League, not a restructuring of the League.
>
> That is clearly marked as an example ("e.g.").
>
> > And it also assumes 4
> > teams in each Division.
>
> No, it is four in all tiers "bar eventually the bottom two".

Well, tier 1 isn't one of the bottom 2.
>
> Anyway, we just voted about changing the number of teams in each tier.

And option B did not get the most votes.
>
> > > > And what about all our fans who have already bought season
> > > > tickets expecting top tier teams and a chance of seeing FC Mark
> > > > win the Championship?
> > >
> > > I guess the gamemaster will have to reimburse them?
> >
> > If that happens I'll consider abandoning any plans to take this to
> > the Court of arbitration for sport.
>
> I want to see the trial of the century!

This needs sorting out now, before the season continues, otherwise it
will happen. What's the CAS's e-mail address?

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 by: Mark - Fri, 26 Apr 2024 12:07 UTC

Mark wrote:

> milivella wrote:
>
> > Mark:
> >
> > > milivella wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mark:
> > > >
> > > > > Futbolmetrix wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > milivella wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The way I did it was:
> > > > > > > "Who will play in each tier is decided: players are
> > > > > > > assigned to tiers scrolling down...
> > >>>>>1. ...last season rankings, considering that 2.I > 1.III >
> > 2.II >
> > > > > > 1.IV, where 1 is the higher tier, 2 the lower tier and the
> > > > > > Roman numbers mean the place in the tier
> > > > > > > 2. ...then, the ranking of the qualification round for the
> > > > > > > new players." (Daniele, is upt_rules.txt in our shared
> > > > > > > folder)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think the reasoning behind this rule was indeed to have
> > > > > > > the winner of a tier be actually promoted in cases like
> > > > > > > this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ah well, if it says so in the rules...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > So the tiers would be:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1
> > > > > > > MH
> > > > > > > The Doctor
> > > > > > > Futbolmetrix
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2
> > > > > > > Mark
> > > > > > > Werner Pichler
> > > > > > > milivella
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3
> > > > > > > Jesper Lauridsen
> > > > > > > Jesus Petry
> > > > > > > Blueshirt
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fair enough, we'll go with these tiers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > According to the rules at the beginning of the season, 3rd
> > > > > place was enough to stay in Division 1. You can't change that
> > > > > after the season has finished. FC Mark have earned our place
> > > > > in Tier 1.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any changes like that should be made known before the season
> > > > > starts, so we know what we're playing for from the start of
> > > > > the season.
> > > >
> > > > This is not a change of the rules, as they have been this way
> > > > since literally before the game started:
> > > >
> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/itNFWMnGJ7k/m/abpP27cF-
> > > > PoJ Of course this does not mean that every player was aware of
> > > > this corner case, which would have been desirable. :(
> > >
> > > The rules say that there are 4 teams in each tier, so it is a
> > > change in the rules.
> >
> > Nah, we have had 3 team tiers in the past. Even the link I posted
> > refers to 3- and 2-team tiers.
>
> I don't remember ever having had 3 team tiers. When was that?
> >
> > > And what it says in that link is referring to a team leaving
> > > the League, not a restructuring of the League.
> >
> > That is clearly marked as an example ("e.g.").
> >
> > > And it also assumes 4
> > > teams in each Division.
> >
> > No, it is four in all tiers "bar eventually the bottom two".
>
> Well, tier 1 isn't one of the bottom 2.
> >
> > Anyway, we just voted about changing the number of teams in each
> > tier.
>
> And option B did not get the most votes.
> >
> > > > > And what about all our fans who have already bought season
> > > > > tickets expecting top tier teams and a chance of seeing FC
> > > > > Mark win the Championship?
> > > >
> > > > I guess the gamemaster will have to reimburse them?
> > >
> > > If that happens I'll consider abandoning any plans to take this to
> > > the Court of arbitration for sport.
> >
> > I want to see the trial of the century!
>
> This needs sorting out now, before the season continues, otherwise it
> will happen. What's the CAS's e-mail address?

Can we have the rules changed back to what they were last season
please? Ie 4 teams in each tier, with the top 3 staying in Tier 1.
Otherwise FC Mark are going to consider boycotting the inter-tier
matches or something.

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 by: Futbolmetrix - Fri, 26 Apr 2024 20:03 UTC

Mark wrote:

> Can we have the rules changed back to what they were last season
> please? Ie 4 teams in each tier, with the top 3 staying in Tier 1.
> Otherwise FC Mark are going to consider boycotting the inter-tier
> matches or something.

Sorry, we won't be changing the rules for this season. I know it is a bit unfair to you, but but somebody has to get the short end of the stick. Maybe be could try to give this inter-tier setup a chance? I hope you don't boycott it.

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 by: Blueshirt - Sat, 27 Apr 2024 06:26 UTC

Futbolmetrix wrote:

> Mark wrote:
>
> > Can we have the rules changed back to what they were last
> > season please? Ie 4 teams in each tier, with the top 3
> > staying in Tier 1. Otherwise FC Mark are going to consider
> > boycotting the inter-tier matches or something.
>
> Sorry, we won't be changing the rules for this season. I know
> it is a bit unfair to you, but but somebody has to get the
> short end of the stick. Maybe be could try to give this
> inter-tier setup a chance?
>
> I hope you don't boycott it.

If my participation in Season 58 is causing an unfair situation
for other players, players who have played for years, I will
drop out.

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 by: The Doctor - Sat, 27 Apr 2024 15:21 UTC

In article <xn0ol2bfglii61x000@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>Futbolmetrix wrote:
>
>> Mark wrote:
>>
>> > Can we have the rules changed back to what they were last
>> > season please? Ie 4 teams in each tier, with the top 3
>> > staying in Tier 1. Otherwise FC Mark are going to consider
>> > boycotting the inter-tier matches or something.
>>
>> Sorry, we won't be changing the rules for this season. I know
>> it is a bit unfair to you, but but somebody has to get the
>> short end of the stick. Maybe be could try to give this
>> inter-tier setup a chance?
>>
>> I hope you don't boycott it.
>
>If my participation in Season 58 is causing an unfair situation
>for other players, players who have played for years, I will
>drop out.
>
>
>

Please don't drop out
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 by: Mark - Mon, 29 Apr 2024 10:09 UTC

Blueshirt wrote:

> Futbolmetrix wrote:
>
> > Mark wrote:
> >
> > > Can we have the rules changed back to what they were last
> > > season please? Ie 4 teams in each tier, with the top 3
> > > staying in Tier 1. Otherwise FC Mark are going to consider
> > > boycotting the inter-tier matches or something.
> >
> > Sorry, we won't be changing the rules for this season. I know
> > it is a bit unfair to you, but but somebody has to get the
> > short end of the stick. Maybe be could try to give this
> > inter-tier setup a chance?
> >
> > I hope you don't boycott it.
>
> If my participation in Season 58 is causing an unfair situation
> for other players, players who have played for years, I will
> drop out.

Thank you.

Blueshirt can join next season after we've had a season where everyone
knows what they're playing for right from the start of the season. Or
better still, scrap the idea of 3 team tiers and have 4 teams in
Division 1 and 5 in Division 2. Or discuss other options, eg clubs
fielding reserve teams.


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