On 8/2/22 21:25, tmp wrote:
> Sure I remember (vaguely) seeing him play, but was too young to know or care how bad he was.
> Roger Craig once said: "Choo Choo would give you the sign and then look down to see what it was."
>

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/16/sports/baseball/choo-choo-coleman-a-catcher-with-the-original-woeful-new-york-mets.html

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 9:40:18 PM UTC-4, Popping Mad wrote:
> On 8/2/22 21:25, tmp wrote:
> > Sure I remember (vaguely) seeing him play, but was too young to know or care how bad he was.
> > Roger Craig once said: "Choo Choo would give you the sign and then look down to see what it was."
> >
> https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/16/sports/baseball/choo-choo-coleman-a-catcher-with-the-original-woeful-new-york-mets.html

Thanks, I hadn't seen that before. Had a shorter MLB career than I realized....
Yeah, I remember Kiner always telling that story on the air when his name came up.

On 7/28/22 08:24, tmp wrote:
> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 6:16:49 AM UTC-4, Popping Mad wrote:
>> On 7/27/22 20:51, tmp wrote:
>>> I doubt we see him until at least Sept, barring an emergency situation due to injuries. A bad (or just inexperienced) defensive catcher can really hurt a team.
>> At least as measured by war the Mets catching is the worst in the NL at
>> MINUS 1.5 amd 3rd base is MINUS 1.2
>
> Primarily due to hitting, as neither of the Mets 2 primary catchers (Nido, McCann) are good hitters - although they've gotten some big hits this year. Nido has certainly been chipping in recently. Both are solid and reliable defensively to my eyes.
>

https://nypost.com/2022/08/04/mets-happy-with-james-mccann-and-tomas-nidos-defense/

On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 2:51:53 PM UTC-4, Popping Mad wrote:
> On 7/28/22 08:24, tmp wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 6:16:49 AM UTC-4, Popping Mad wrote:
> >> On 7/27/22 20:51, tmp wrote:
> >>> I doubt we see him until at least Sept, barring an emergency situation due to injuries. A bad (or just inexperienced) defensive catcher can really hurt a team.
> >> At least as measured by war the Mets catching is the worst in the NL at
> >> MINUS 1.5 amd 3rd base is MINUS 1.2
> >
> > Primarily due to hitting, as neither of the Mets 2 primary catchers (Nido, McCann) are good hitters - although they've gotten some big hits this year. Nido has certainly been chipping in recently. Both are solid and reliable defensively to my eyes.
> >
> https://nypost.com/2022/08/04/mets-happy-with-james-mccann-and-tomas-nidos-defense/

Agree with the article. Catchers can have a huge effect on a game (positive or negative), even aside from what they hit.

Even though he hasn't shown it yet, McCann is the better hitter of the two based on his career numbers. He was showing some signs of coming around before he got hurt the 2nd time. He had a grand slam, and also a big late inning hit in another game - either a game winner, or tied it, or something.