On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 4:27:58 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat wrote:
> On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 6:08:19 a.m. UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
> > On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 9:13:16 AM UTC+1, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
> > > Le 03/03/2022, Werner Pichler a supposé :
> > > > On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:06:01 AM UTC+1, Binder
> > > > Dundat wrote:
> > > >> What I see happening from all of this is that with a common
> > > >> enemy, the Right wingers and lefties now have a common enemy
> > > >> and will all become friends again, at least for a couple of
> > > >> weeks. This is great for all the Trudeaus and Bidens and
> > > >> Boris'.
> > > >>
> > > >> The conspiracy theorist in me would like to know who is
> > > >> behind this, I think Oil/gas companies and obviously weapon
> > > >> manufacturers, nothing to do with Russia reclaiming
> > > >> territory or wanting Ukraine resources or Putin going mad.
> > > >> It is always about money.
> > > >
> > > > Are you so brainwashed by capitalism that you cannot imagine
> > > > people having other motivations?
> > >
> > > People may have other motivations but imagining that Oil/gas
> > > companies and weapon manufacturers may act to ease a big war to
> > > have more money is not out of touch with reality. What is out
> > > of touch with reality is believing that the opposite is
> > > impossible.
> > So we agree that there are evil people who will literally walk over corpses to
> > achieve money and/or power, but you find it inconceivable that there are evil
> > people who will do the same thing because of their worldview?
>
> Admittedly, with Putin targeting civilians, it is looking more like a madman with no agenda outside of death and destruction, but I think there has to be more to
> the story.

Well, why did the Serbians besiege Sarajevo, shelling the city and sniping at civilians for close to four years without actually trying to militarily
occupy the city? To a degree because of deterrence, but mostly to drive up the human cost as a bargaining chip and force the hand of their
opponents on the negotiating table.
To all appearances, Russia miscalculated badly. To create death and destruction looks more and more like the sole remaining way to 'win'.

Ciao,
Werner

On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 11:37:12 a.m. UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
> On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 4:27:58 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat wrote:
> > On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 6:08:19 a.m. UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
> > > On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 9:13:16 AM UTC+1, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
> > > > Le 03/03/2022, Werner Pichler a supposé :
> > > > > On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:06:01 AM UTC+1, Binder
> > > > > Dundat wrote:
> > > > >> What I see happening from all of this is that with a common
> > > > >> enemy, the Right wingers and lefties now have a common enemy
> > > > >> and will all become friends again, at least for a couple of
> > > > >> weeks. This is great for all the Trudeaus and Bidens and
> > > > >> Boris'.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The conspiracy theorist in me would like to know who is
> > > > >> behind this, I think Oil/gas companies and obviously weapon
> > > > >> manufacturers, nothing to do with Russia reclaiming
> > > > >> territory or wanting Ukraine resources or Putin going mad.
> > > > >> It is always about money.
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you so brainwashed by capitalism that you cannot imagine
> > > > > people having other motivations?
> > > >
> > > > People may have other motivations but imagining that Oil/gas
> > > > companies and weapon manufacturers may act to ease a big war to
> > > > have more money is not out of touch with reality. What is out
> > > > of touch with reality is believing that the opposite is
> > > > impossible.
> > > So we agree that there are evil people who will literally walk over corpses to
> > > achieve money and/or power, but you find it inconceivable that there are evil
> > > people who will do the same thing because of their worldview?
> >
> > Admittedly, with Putin targeting civilians, it is looking more like a madman with no agenda outside of death and destruction, but I think there has to be more to
> > the story.
> Well, why did the Serbians besiege Sarajevo, shelling the city and sniping at civilians for close to four years without actually trying to militarily
> occupy the city? To a degree because of deterrence, but mostly to drive up the human cost as a bargaining chip and force the hand of their
> opponents on the negotiating table.
> To all appearances, Russia miscalculated badly. To create death and destruction looks more and more like the sole remaining way to 'win'.
>
> Ciao,
> Werner

Yup, it looks like death and destruction, how much death and destruction he can do is the question now. A Russian has to assassinate him soon.

I would probably be quite worried if i was living where you are.

It is now official.

Poland is auto-advanced to the pod final for the UEFA qualification to the World Cup.

Mike

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 12:47:46 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:

> BOYCOTT UEFA, FIFA, ALL SPORTS BODIES THAT HAVE EXCLUDED RUSSIA FROM THEIR COMPETITIONS!
>
> Ultra Axiomatics, Axiomatiques, Axiomatischen, Axiomáticos, Assiomatici et al.:
>
> Allow me to make a few generalized remarks.
>
> 1. Sports should always be FREE of politics. Otherwise, sport is just a “slave” of the ruling political bodies. To be sure, the most compelling example was the Soviet Union.
>
> USSR used sports as a blinding beam of propaganda. But USA has done the same thing, but in a far more sophisticated manner.
>
> 2. And this is my second point: SOPHISTICATION. The Americans are masters in PR (public relations). PR is so sophisticated that the US government is always right, no matter what.
>
> To those authors in this grandiose thread: The United States HAS NEVER INVADED ANY COUNTRY — EVER. The USA has always been authorized by the United Nations to intervene in some regions of the globe in order to establish peace. Go back to Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Iraq I, Afghanistan, Iraq II — The United Nations almost implored USA to intervene and establish peace and order.
>
> On the other hand (the “left” one), USSR and the offspring Russia have never gone to the United Nations and ask for authorization to intervene militarily in some geopolitical places. Budapest 1956, Prague 1968, Poland 1980, Afghanistan 1979, Georgia 2008, Crimea 2014, Donbas 2022.... All those interventions were strongly condemned by the West and, implicitly, the United Nations. Had USSR/Russia asked for authorization, the UNO would have rejected the requests.
>
> I strongly oppose the interference of politics in sports. I only think now of the Olympic Games. They would be of no interest to me. The Olympics would be ugly, non-competitive without Russia. I did hate the Soviets in sports, especially because they always back-handed the Romanian sports, gymnastics especially.
>
> Therefore, I would boycott all sports that excluded Russia from under their umbrellas. I plea with each and everyone in this grandiose community to do the same. First, boycott UEFA, boycott FIFA! Let them know your opinion in an email or two.
>
> I am not pro-Putin, pro-Trump, pro-Biden. Au contraire, I leveled serious criticism at them:
>
> • https://saliu.com/oppressors-turncoats.html
> • About-Face, Turncoats: Oppressors, Profiteers in Politics, Social Life
>
> • https://forums.saliu.com/armageddon-jesus-trump.html
> • Donald Trump, Armageddon: Jesus, Second Coming
>
> • https://www.facebook.com/Parpaluck/posts/10159682693029049
> • Let Donbas go to Russia to avoid a human far-larger disaster, including nuclear annihilation of Terra
>
> “Biden, Biden, bully bison,
> Putin, Putin, you are lootin'!”
>
>
> Ion Saliu
> Founder of Mathematical Axiomaticism
> • https://saliu.com/axiomatic.html
> • Axiomatic: An Essay on Axiomaticism, Undeniable Truthfulness as Highest Human Quality.

Mircea Lucescu, the head coach of Dynamo Kiev, opposes the exclusion of the Russian athletes from international competitions.

“In my opinion,” he says, “sport should unite people. The same as culture, they should have no link to politics.”

Even though Mircea Lucescu achieved outstanding success at Dynamo Kiev since he took over 3 seasons ago, the Kiev fans have always hated him. That’s because the Romanian head coach had achieved also great successes with Shakhtar Donetsk. Get it? “The Russian enemies in Donbas,” the Kiev Ukrainians cried out loud!

You can use Google translate for more:
https://www.gsp.ro/international/campionate/mircea-lucescu-sportivi-rusia-exclusi-657614.html

Putin apologism, I see.

Mike

Michael Falkner wrote:
>
> Putin apologism, I see.

Whether it is or isn't is pretty much irrelevant now... we are past the
point of no return.

People can dislike Russia's exclusion from sporting competitions as
much as they like, but as every day passes Russia becomes more and more
of a pariah state.

The toothpaste cannot be put back in to the tube now...

In article <t0ofa9$p5r$1@dont-email.me>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>Michael Falkner wrote:
>>
>> Putin apologism, I see.
>
>Whether it is or isn't is pretty much irrelevant now... we are past the
>point of no return.
>
>People can dislike Russia's exclusion from sporting competitions as
>much as they like, but as every day passes Russia becomes more and more
>of a pariah state.
>
>The toothpaste cannot be put back in to the tube now...

Russia, China and I certain do not trust Iran nor the Vatican City.
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