Le 2024-03-12 à 17:55, Siri Cruise a écrit :
> Kualinar wrote:
>> Le 2024-03-12 à 15:11, Siri Cruise a écrit :
>>> Whisper wrote:
>>>> On 12/03/2024 2:08 am, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>> In article <oywHN.113452$GX69.29299@fx46.iad>,
>>>>> webspermeater@polaris.net
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/10/2024 6:37 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
>>>>>>> Jon Brady wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Life was not created by "god." That's only a childish fair tale.
>>>>>>>>>> Where did the RNA come from?
>>>>>>>>> Random mixing of molecules.
>>>>>>>> Who created the molecules so they could do that, Rudy?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Experiments like Miller-Urey show that simple molecules can be
>>>>>>> synthesised into
>>>>>>> complex molecules, some significant to terrestrial life, with
>>>>>>> modest input
>>>>>>> energy like ultraviolet light or electric discharges.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Additional experiments show some molecules have limitted abiotic
>>>>>>> creation and
>>>>>>> longetivity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We mostly know how DNA is replicated using proteins.
>>>>>>> RNA replication without proteins? That's what the news is about,
>>>>>>> an example of
>>>>>>> replicating RNA without bootstrapping proteins.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We got theories to take us from models of early earth almost to
>>>>>>> most of the
>>>>>>> molecules of inefficient but possible life. Best on chance and
>>>>>>> organic chemistry
>>>>>>> without needing a god. It's rational for a person to conclude we
>>>>>>> will be able to
>>>>>>> explain everything without a god.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's no evidence a god was not involved.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's fucking stupid. We *never* talk about "evidence" to support
>>>>>> a negative;
>>>>>> there's no such thing. We talk about evidence to support a
>>>>>> positive, or *lack*
>>>>>> of evidence to support a positive. This is nonsense: "there is no
>>>>>> evidence to
>>>>>> support a belief that 'god' didn't create the universe." It's not
>>>>>> just nonsense,
>>>>>> it's bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> But you can't prove anything else. So where did it all come from?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> just saying 'god' is not the answer.  Where did god come from?
>>>
>>> Where did human intelligence come from?
>>>
>> An emerging property if a complex brain.
>
> God is an emergent property of a complex universe.
>
That imply that the Universe came first, THEN, some god(s) formed.
You just totally destroyed the idea of an eternal god that created the
universe in a mere nine words.
Still, that don't lead to ANY of the gods from human history.

Le 2024-03-12 à 20:14, Skeeter a écrit :

> So you were there?
By the reasoning behind that question, NO crime could ever be resolved
as the inspectors where NEVER there to witness the crime being
committed. The defendant would just have to ask the detective or expert
«Where you there ?», and, if the answer is «No», then, the case will be
simply thrown out.

No, I was not «there», BUT, we DO have evidences about what happened.
From those evidences, we made models. Those models describe what we
observe and can make predictions. So, those models are valid. Using
those models, we can go back in time and get a pretty good idea of how
things where millions to billions of years ago.

I never pretended that we know EXACTLY what happened, but, we do have a
pretty good idea of what happened. Over time, that idea get more refined
as we make new discoveries.

On 14/03/2024 12:47 am, Kualinar wrote:
> Le 2024-03-12 à 17:50, Skeeter a écrit :
>> In article <usqf5b$g9dd$1@dont-email.me>, kuakinar@videotron.ca says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you can't prove anything else. So where did it all come from?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> just saying 'god' is not the answer.  Where did god come from?
>>>>
>>>> Where did human intelligence come from?
>>>>
>>> An emerging property if a complex brain.
>>
>> Where did the brain come from.
> Evolution.

Something must have created evolution?

"Whisper" <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:65f2d76f$1@news.ausics.net...
> On 14/03/2024 12:47 am, Kualinar wrote:
>> Le 2024-03-12 à 17:50, Skeeter a écrit :
>>> In article <usqf5b$g9dd$1@dont-email.me>, kuakinar@videotron.ca says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But you can't prove anything else. So where did it all come from?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> just saying 'god' is not the answer. Where did god come from?
>>>>>
>>>>> Where did human intelligence come from?
>>>>>
>>>> An emerging property if a complex brain.
>>>
>>> Where did the brain come from.
>> Evolution.
>
>
> Something must have created evolution?

Survival of the fittest, also known as natural selection.

On 15/03/2024 7:13 am, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "Whisper" <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
> news:65f2d76f$1@news.ausics.net...
>> On 14/03/2024 12:47 am, Kualinar wrote:
>>> Le 2024-03-12 à 17:50, Skeeter a écrit :
>>>> In article <usqf5b$g9dd$1@dont-email.me>, kuakinar@videotron.ca says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But you can't prove anything else. So where did it all come from?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> just saying 'god' is not the answer.  Where did god come from?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where did human intelligence come from?
>>>>>>
>>>>> An emerging property if a complex brain.
>>>>
>>>> Where did the brain come from.
>>> Evolution.
>>
>>
>> Something must have created evolution?
>
> Survival of the fittest, also known as natural selection.
>
>
>

Yes, but what created natural selection?

Le 2024-03-15 à 08:38, Whisper a écrit :
> On 15/03/2024 7:13 am, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Whisper" <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:65f2d76f$1@news.ausics.net...
>>> On 14/03/2024 12:47 am, Kualinar wrote:
>>>> Le 2024-03-12 à 17:50, Skeeter a écrit :
>>>>> In article <usqf5b$g9dd$1@dont-email.me>, kuakinar@videotron.ca
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But you can't prove anything else. So where did it all come from?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> just saying 'god' is not the answer.  Where did god come from?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where did human intelligence come from?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> An emerging property if a complex brain.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where did the brain come from.
>>>> Evolution.
>>>
>>>
>>> Something must have created evolution?
>>
>> Survival of the fittest, also known as natural selection.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Yes, but what created natural selection?
Some say that there are no stupid questions. With your past two posts,
you have proven that to be wrong.

Evolution is a natural process. Natural selection is another natural
process. NOTHING created any natural process. Natural processes just happen.

On 3/15/24 10:29, Kualinar wrote:
> Le 2024-03-15 à 08:38, Whisper a écrit :
>> On 15/03/2024 7:13 am, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Whisper" <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>> news:65f2d76f$1@news.ausics.net...
>>>> On 14/03/2024 12:47 am, Kualinar wrote:
>>>>> Le 2024-03-12 à 17:50, Skeeter a écrit :
>>>>>> In article <usqf5b$g9dd$1@dont-email.me>, kuakinar@videotron.ca
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But you can't prove anything else. So where did it all come from?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> just saying 'god' is not the answer.  Where did god come from?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where did human intelligence come from?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An emerging property if a complex brain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where did the brain come from.
>>>>> Evolution.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Something must have created evolution?
>>>
>>> Survival of the fittest, also known as natural selection.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, but what created natural selection?
> Some say that there are no stupid questions. With your past two posts,
> you have proven that to be wrong.
>
> Evolution is a natural process. Natural selection is another natural
> process. NOTHING created any natural process. Natural processes just
> happen.

Just happen?
What is you evidence for that?

On 3/15/2024 8:45 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 3/15/24 10:29, Kualinar wrote:
>> Le 2024-03-15 à 08:38, Whisper a écrit :
>>> On 15/03/2024 7:13 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Whisper" <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>>> news:65f2d76f$1@news.ausics.net...
>>>>> On 14/03/2024 12:47 am, Kualinar wrote:
>>>>>> Le 2024-03-12 à 17:50, Skeeter a écrit :
>>>>>>> In article <usqf5b$g9dd$1@dont-email.me>, kuakinar@videotron.ca says...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But you can't prove anything else. So where did it all come from?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> just saying 'god' is not the answer.  Where did god come from?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where did human intelligence come from?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> An emerging property if a complex brain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where did the brain come from.
>>>>>> Evolution.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Something must have created evolution?
>>>>
>>>> Survival of the fittest, also known as natural selection.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, but what created natural selection?
>> Some say that there are no stupid questions. With your past two posts, you
>> have proven that to be wrong.
>>
>> Evolution is a natural process. Natural selection is another natural process.
>> NOTHING created any natural process. Natural processes just happen.
>
> Just happen?
> What is you [sic] evidence for that?

Same answer. You believe that "natural processes" were created or caused by
"god." What is *your* (not "you") evidence for that? Let's have it.

On 3/15/24 12:33, Max Boot wrote:
> On 3/15/2024 8:45 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 3/15/24 10:29, Kualinar wrote:
>>> Le 2024-03-15 à 08:38, Whisper a écrit :
>>>> On 15/03/2024 7:13 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Whisper" <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>> news:65f2d76f$1@news.ausics.net...
>>>>>> On 14/03/2024 12:47 am, Kualinar wrote:
>>>>>>> Le 2024-03-12 à 17:50, Skeeter a écrit :
>>>>>>>> In article <usqf5b$g9dd$1@dont-email.me>, kuakinar@videotron.ca
>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But you can't prove anything else. So where did it all come
>>>>>>>>>>>> from?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> just saying 'god' is not the answer.  Where did god come from?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Where did human intelligence come from?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> An emerging property if a complex brain.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where did the brain come from.
>>>>>>> Evolution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Something must have created evolution?
>>>>>
>>>>> Survival of the fittest, also known as natural selection.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, but what created natural selection?
>>> Some say that there are no stupid questions. With your past two
>>> posts, you have proven that to be wrong.
>>>
>>> Evolution is a natural process. Natural selection is another natural
>>> process. NOTHING created any natural process. Natural processes just
>>> happen.
>>
>> Just happen?
>> What is you [sic] evidence for that?
>
> Same answer. You believe that "natural processes" were created or caused
> by "god." What is *your* (not "you") evidence for that? Let's have it.

More evasion.,

On 3/15/2024 10:57 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 3/15/24 12:33, Max Boot wrote:
>> On 3/15/2024 8:45 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 3/15/24 10:29, Kualinar wrote:
>>>> Le 2024-03-15 à 08:38, Whisper a écrit :
>>>>> On 15/03/2024 7:13 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Whisper" <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:65f2d76f$1@news.ausics.net...
>>>>>>> On 14/03/2024 12:47 am, Kualinar wrote:
>>>>>>>> Le 2024-03-12 à 17:50, Skeeter a écrit :
>>>>>>>>> In article <usqf5b$g9dd$1@dont-email.me>, kuakinar@videotron.ca says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you can't prove anything else. So where did it all come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> just saying 'god' is not the answer.  Where did god come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Where did human intelligence come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> An emerging property if a complex brain.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where did the brain come from.
>>>>>>>> Evolution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Something must have created evolution?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Survival of the fittest, also known as natural selection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, but what created natural selection?
>>>> Some say that there are no stupid questions. With your past two posts, you
>>>> have proven that to be wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Evolution is a natural process. Natural selection is another natural
>>>> process. NOTHING created any natural process. Natural processes just happen.
>>>
>>> Just happen?
>>> What is you [sic] evidence for that?
>>
>> Same answer. You believe that "natural processes" were created or caused by
>> "god." What is *your* (not "you") evidence for that? Let's have it.
>
> More evasion

Yes: yours, as you always do on this topic.

The ball is in your court, but you don't know how to play the game.

Didn't I just instruct you on this point earlier today? Yeah, I did. Here it is
again:

When you and your fellow knuckle-dragging right-wingnut Kremlin Girl / Bit of
Nothingness blurt "evasion noted," what you're really doing is conceding
defeat. Your concession of defeat is noted.

Both you and she concede defeat almost daily by blabbering "evasion noted" or
"more evasion," when in fact, the only evasion is coming from you two fuckwits
because you can't support your claims.

Kualinar wrote:
>>>> Something must have created evolution?
>>>
>>> Survival of the fittest, also known as natural selection.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, but what created natural selection?
> Some say that there are no stupid questions. With your past two
> posts, you have proven that to be wrong.
>
> Evolution is a natural process. Natural selection is another
> natural process. NOTHING created any natural process. Natural
> processes just happen.

Biological evolution is an observed over the last 10.000 years or
so. Darwin could explain variation of domesticated plants and
animals by farmers who selected breeding pairs. He observed farmer
selection had led to wide variety which also resulted in similar
but distinct forms.

He sailed around the world and observed even more variation also
with similarities. But he saw no farmer pairing off breeding
couples. So how could there be variation with no observed
selector. He and invented invented 'natural selection' as the name
of a process which could select breeding couples and allow
constrained variation over time.

Natural selection is an explanation not an observable. The theory
has been extended and adjusted to explain things Darwin and
Wallace never guessed of.

Catholics and 'mainstream' protestant accept natural selection as
the explanation for the diversity and similarities of life without
the constant divine finger of fate from a resting god poking at
things. That doesn't the resting god has not involved itself,
somehow. It's not a fight most christians are interested in. So to
deal with an annoying cluster, including the Satanic Right, you
chose to make all christians the enemy,

We might have met on Ramsgate Strand
Or waved from passing trains;
Instead, we met in Flanders, and
Blew out each other's brains.
~~ Sean Kelly

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In article <tq0JN.121219$6ePe.73336@fx42.iad>, max.boot@lathymes.com
says...
>
> On 3/15/2024 10:57 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> > On 3/15/24 12:33, Max Boot wrote:
> >> On 3/15/2024 8:45 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> >>> On 3/15/24 10:29, Kualinar wrote:
> >>>> Le 2024-03-15 à 08:38, Whisper a écrit :
> >>>>> On 15/03/2024 7:13 am, Scout wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Whisper" <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:65f2d76f$1@news.ausics.net...
> >>>>>>> On 14/03/2024 12:47 am, Kualinar wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Le 2024-03-12 à 17:50, Skeeter a écrit :
> >>>>>>>>> In article <usqf5b$g9dd$1@dont-email.me>, kuakinar@videotron.ca says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But you can't prove anything else. So where did it all come from?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> just saying 'god' is not the answer.  Where did god come from?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Where did human intelligence come from?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> An emerging property if a complex brain.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Where did the brain come from.
> >>>>>>>> Evolution.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Something must have created evolution?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Survival of the fittest, also known as natural selection.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes, but what created natural selection?
> >>>> Some say that there are no stupid questions. With your past two posts, you
> >>>> have proven that to be wrong.
> >>>>
> >>>> Evolution is a natural process. Natural selection is another natural
> >>>> process. NOTHING created any natural process. Natural processes just happen.
> >>>
> >>> Just happen?
> >>> What is you [sic] evidence for that?
> >>
> >> Same answer. You believe that "natural processes" were created or caused by
> >> "god." What is *your* (not "you") evidence for that? Let's have it.
> >
> > More evasion
>
> Yes: yours, as you always do on this topic.
>
> The ball is in your court, but you don't know how to play the game.
>
> Didn't I just instruct you on this point earlier today? Yeah, I did. Here it is
> again:
>
> When you and your fellow knuckle-dragging right-wingnut Kremlin Girl / Bit of
> Nothingness blurt "evasion noted," what you're really doing is conceding
> defeat. Your concession of defeat is noted.
>
> Both you and she concede defeat almost daily by blabbering "evasion noted" or
> "more evasion," when in fact, the only evasion is coming from you two fuckwits
> because you can't support your claims.

You don't make the rules Mr. "the proof has already been posted"
asswipe.

On 3/15/2024 1:00 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

> In article <tq0JN.121219$6ePe.73336@fx42.iad>, max.boot@lathymes.com
> says...
>>
>> On 3/15/2024 10:57 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 3/15/24 12:33, Max Boot wrote:
>>>> On 3/15/2024 8:45 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 3/15/24 10:29, Kualinar wrote:
>>>>>> Le 2024-03-15 à 08:38, Whisper a écrit :
>>>>>>> On 15/03/2024 7:13 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Whisper" <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:65f2d76f$1@news.ausics.net...
>>>>>>>>> On 14/03/2024 12:47 am, Kualinar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-03-12 à 17:50, Skeeter a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <usqf5b$g9dd$1@dont-email.me>, kuakinar@videotron.ca says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you can't prove anything else. So where did it all come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just saying 'god' is not the answer.  Where did god come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did human intelligence come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> An emerging property if a complex brain.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Where did the brain come from.
>>>>>>>>>> Evolution.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Something must have created evolution?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Survival of the fittest, also known as natural selection.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, but what created natural selection?
>>>>>> Some say that there are no stupid questions. With your past two posts, you
>>>>>> have proven that to be wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Evolution is a natural process. Natural selection is another natural
>>>>>> process. NOTHING created any natural process. Natural processes just happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just happen?
>>>>> What is you [sic] evidence for that?
>>>>
>>>> Same answer. You believe that "natural processes" were created or caused by
>>>> "god." What is *your* (not "you") evidence for that? Let's have it.
>>>
>>> More evasion
>>
>> Yes: yours, as you always do on this topic.
>>
>> The ball is in your court, but you don't know how to play the game.
>>
>> Didn't I just instruct you on this point earlier today? Yeah, I did. Here it is
>> again:
>>
>> When you and your fellow knuckle-dragging right-wingnut Kremlin Girl / Bit of
>> Nothingness blurt "evasion noted," what you're really doing is conceding
>> defeat. Your concession of defeat is noted.
>>
>> Both you and she concede defeat almost daily by blabbering "evasion noted" or
>> "more evasion," when in fact, the only evasion is coming from you two fuckwits
>> because you can't support your claims.
>
> You don't make the rules

I don't "make" them — I authoritatively explicate what they are to fuckwits like
you and Hartung.

Le 2024-03-15 à 13:57, David Hartung a écrit :
> On 3/15/24 12:33, Max Boot wrote:
>> On 3/15/2024 8:45 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 3/15/24 10:29, Kualinar wrote:
>>>> Le 2024-03-15 à 08:38, Whisper a écrit :
>>>>> On 15/03/2024 7:13 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Whisper" <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:65f2d76f$1@news.ausics.net...
>>>>>>> On 14/03/2024 12:47 am, Kualinar wrote:
>>>>>>>> Le 2024-03-12 à 17:50, Skeeter a écrit :
>>>>>>>>> In article <usqf5b$g9dd$1@dont-email.me>, kuakinar@videotron.ca
>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you can't prove anything else. So where did it all come
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> just saying 'god' is not the answer.  Where did god come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Where did human intelligence come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> An emerging property if a complex brain.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where did the brain come from.
>>>>>>>> Evolution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Something must have created evolution?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Survival of the fittest, also known as natural selection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, but what created natural selection?
>>>> Some say that there are no stupid questions. With your past two
>>>> posts, you have proven that to be wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Evolution is a natural process. Natural selection is another natural
>>>> process. NOTHING created any natural process. Natural processes just
>>>> happen.
>>>
>>> Just happen?
>>> What is you [sic] evidence for that?
>>
>> Same answer. You believe that "natural processes" were created or
>> caused by "god." What is *your* (not "you") evidence for that? Let's
>> have it.
>
> More evasion.,
>
Not at all. Just a rebuttal at your pathetic attempt at plugging your
flimsy god of the gap fallacy.
God is not the answer. There is no need to add a god, any god at all. It
just add unneeded complexity, unneeded agency, when none is required.

Before plugging your god, YOU have the burden of proof to demonstrate
that a god is even possible, then, demonstrate that it can be your
favourite pet god and not one of the MILLIONS of other god from history
and fiction.
I'll pray the grand Flying Spaghetti Monster to grace you with his
noddley grandeur. Ramen.
May Lisa the Rainbow Giraffe smile upon you.

Le 2024-03-15 à 14:46, Siri Cruise a écrit :
>
> Catholics and 'mainstream' protestant accept natural selection as the
> explanation for the diversity and similarities of life without the
> constant divine finger of fate from a resting god poking at things. That
> doesn't the resting god has not involved itself, somehow. It's not a
> fight most christians are interested in. So to deal with an annoying
> cluster, including the Satanic Right, you chose to make all christians
> the enemy,
>
Before calling anything «satanic», you first need to demonstrate that
there is such an entity as that Satan. The ball is in your camp. Please
accept your burden of proof.
I don't regard Christianity, nor any other religions, as enemies. The
problem that I have is the religious extreme right wing always
attempting to shove their religious view down the throat of everyone.
That's NOT limited to the Christian extreme right.

David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in
news:UySdnTsgoMGt8Gn4nZ2dnZfqnPsAAAAA@giganews.com:

> On 3/15/24 10:29, Kualinar wrote:
>> Le 2024-03-15 à 08:38, Whisper a écrit :
>>> On 15/03/2024 7:13 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Whisper" <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>>> news:65f2d76f$1@news.ausics.net...
>>>>> On 14/03/2024 12:47 am, Kualinar wrote:
>>>>>> Le 2024-03-12 à 17:50, Skeeter a écrit :
>>>>>>> In article <usqf5b$g9dd$1@dont-email.me>, kuakinar@videotron.ca
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But you can't prove anything else. So where did it all come
>>>>>>>>>>> from?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> just saying 'god' is not the answer.  Where did god come
>>>>>>>>>> from?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where did human intelligence come from?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> An emerging property if a complex brain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where did the brain come from.
>>>>>> Evolution.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Something must have created evolution?
>>>>
>>>> Survival of the fittest, also known as natural selection.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, but what created natural selection?
>> Some say that there are no stupid questions. With your past two
>> posts, you have proven that to be wrong.
>>
>> Evolution is a natural process. Natural selection is another natural
>> process. NOTHING created any natural process. Natural processes just
>> happen.
>
> Just happen?

Yes.

> What is you evidence for that?
>

Geology, botany, paleontology,
microbiology, astronomy, climatology,
archeology, cosmology.............

https://opengeology.org/historicalgeology/a-brief-history-of-earth/

https://pressbooks.uiowa.edu/methodsii/chapter/history-of-the-earth/

https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/age-earth/

https://www.gsi.ie/en-ie/education/our-planet-earth/Pages/The-Earth-
through-time.aspx

https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/age-earth/

Kualinar wrote:
> Le 2024-03-15 à 14:46, Siri Cruise a écrit :
>>
>> Catholics and 'mainstream' protestant accept natural selection
>> as the explanation for the diversity and similarities of life
>> without the constant divine finger of fate from a resting god
>> poking at things. That doesn't the resting god has not involved
>> itself, somehow. It's not a fight most christians are interested
>> in. So to deal with an annoying cluster, including the Satanic
>> Right, you chose to make all christians the enemy,
>>
> Before calling anything «satanic», you first need to demonstrate
> that there is such an entity as that Satan. The ball is in your
> camp. Please accept your burden of proof.
> I don't regard Christianity, nor any other religions, as enemies.
> The problem that I have is the religious extreme right wing always
> attempting to shove their religious view down the throat of
> everyone. That's NOT limited to the Christian extreme right.
>

How many sides does your mouth have that you can speak out of all
of them?

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Kualinar wrote on 16/3/24 2:29 am:
> Le 2024-03-15 à 08:38, Whisper a écrit :
>> On 15/03/2024 7:13 am, Scout wrote:
>>> "Whisper" <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>> news:65f2d76f$1@news.ausics.net...
>>>> On 14/03/2024 12:47 am, Kualinar wrote:
>>>>> Le 2024-03-12 à 17:50, Skeeter a écrit :
>>>>>> In article <usqf5b$g9dd$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> kuakinar@videotron.ca says...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But you can't prove anything else. So where did it
>>>>>>>>>> all come from?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> just saying 'god' is not the answer. Where did god
>>>>>>>>> come from?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where did human intelligence come from?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An emerging property if a complex brain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where did the brain come from.
>>>>> Evolution.
>>>>
>>>> Something must have created evolution?
>>>
>>> Survival of the fittest, also known as natural selection.
>>>
>> Yes, but what created natural selection?
> Some say that there are no stupid questions.

Yes, there *IS* such a thing as a stupid question ..... and that's the
question that is not asked ... cause, chances are that if YOU don't
understand something there is probably someone else who doesn't
understand as well, so by NOT asking your question at least two people
miss out!!
--
Daniel

On 16/03/2024 2:29 am, Kualinar wrote:
> Le 2024-03-15 à 08:38, Whisper a écrit :
>> On 15/03/2024 7:13 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Something must have created evolution?
>>>
>>> Survival of the fittest, also known as natural selection.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, but what created natural selection?
> Some say that there are no stupid questions. With your past two posts,
> you have proven that to be wrong.
>
> Evolution is a natural process. Natural selection is another natural
> process. NOTHING created any natural process. Natural processes just
> happen.

Huh? No disrespect but that's not a very smart answer. What do you
mean by 'natural'? If that was a genuine answer then we can just say
'it's natural' about everything, the same way some say 'god' is the
answer to every question. Both are as far from convincing as you can
possibly get.

I'll stick to my idea, which is the most logical by far - universe/life
etc is simply beyond the scope of human intelligence. In other words we
are smart, but not that smart. That's far more palatable than 'god' or
'it's nature'.

On 16/03/2024 2:45 am, David Hartung wrote:
> On 3/15/24 10:29, Kualinar wrote:
>> Le 2024-03-15 à 08:38, Whisper a écrit :
>>> On 15/03/2024 7:13 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Whisper" <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>>> news:65f2d76f$1@news.ausics.net...
>>>>> On 14/03/2024 12:47 am, Kualinar wrote:
>>>>>> Le 2024-03-12 à 17:50, Skeeter a écrit :
>>>>>>> In article <usqf5b$g9dd$1@dont-email.me>, kuakinar@videotron.ca
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But you can't prove anything else. So where did it all come
>>>>>>>>>>> from?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> just saying 'god' is not the answer.  Where did god come from?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where did human intelligence come from?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> An emerging property if a complex brain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where did the brain come from.
>>>>>> Evolution.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Something must have created evolution?
>>>>
>>>> Survival of the fittest, also known as natural selection.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, but what created natural selection?
>> Some say that there are no stupid questions. With your past two posts,
>> you have proven that to be wrong.
>>
>> Evolution is a natural process. Natural selection is another natural
>> process. NOTHING created any natural process. Natural processes just
>> happen.
>
> Just happen?
> What is you evidence for that?
>

Let's hope he can explain what he really means by 'just happen' : )

On 16/03/2024 9:27 am, Kualinar wrote:
> Le 2024-03-15 à 13:57, David Hartung a écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, but what created natural selection?
>>>>> Some say that there are no stupid questions. With your past two
>>>>> posts, you have proven that to be wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Evolution is a natural process. Natural selection is another
>>>>> natural process. NOTHING created any natural process. Natural
>>>>> processes just happen.
>>>>
>>>> Just happen?
>>>> What is you [sic] evidence for that?
>>>
>>> Same answer. You believe that "natural processes" were created or
>>> caused by "god." What is *your* (not "you") evidence for that? Let's
>>> have it.
>>
>> More evasion.,
>>
> Not at all. Just a rebuttal at your pathetic attempt at plugging your
> flimsy god of the gap fallacy.
> God is not the answer. There is no need to add a god, any god at all. It
> just add unneeded complexity, unneeded agency, when none is required.
>
> Before plugging your god, YOU have the burden of proof to demonstrate
> that a god is even possible, then, demonstrate that it can be your
> favourite pet god and not one of the MILLIONS of other god from history
> and fiction.
> I'll pray the grand Flying Spaghetti Monster to grace you with his
> noddley grandeur. Ramen.
> May Lisa the Rainbow Giraffe smile upon you.

I don't believe in god without evidence. I do believe in natural
selection, but that doesn't answer my other question 'how did natural
selection start?'. You dismissed it as stupidity on my part, but that
just makes you sound like you have no fucking idea, which is obvious
when reading your posts. Your answer is no different to 'god did it'.

On 3/15/24 13:27, Max Boot wrote:
> On 3/15/2024 10:57 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 3/15/24 12:33, Max Boot wrote:
>>> On 3/15/2024 8:45 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>> On 3/15/24 10:29, Kualinar wrote:
>>>>> Le 2024-03-15 à 08:38, Whisper a écrit :
>>>>>> On 15/03/2024 7:13 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Whisper" <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:65f2d76f$1@news.ausics.net...
>>>>>>>> On 14/03/2024 12:47 am, Kualinar wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-03-12 à 17:50, Skeeter a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>> In article <usqf5b$g9dd$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>> kuakinar@videotron.ca says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you can't prove anything else. So where did it all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just saying 'god' is not the answer.  Where did god come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did human intelligence come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> An emerging property if a complex brain.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Where did the brain come from.
>>>>>>>>> Evolution.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Something must have created evolution?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Survival of the fittest, also known as natural selection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, but what created natural selection?
>>>>> Some say that there are no stupid questions. With your past two
>>>>> posts, you have proven that to be wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Evolution is a natural process. Natural selection is another
>>>>> natural process. NOTHING created any natural process. Natural
>>>>> processes just happen.
>>>>
>>>> Just happen?
>>>> What is you [sic] evidence for that?
>>>
>>> Same answer. You believe that "natural processes" were created or
>>> caused by "god." What is *your* (not "you") evidence for that? Let's
>>> have it.
>>
>> More evasion
>
> Yes: yours, as you always do on this topic.
>
> The ball is in your court, but you don't know how to play the game.

Actually it is not. You seldom, if ever support claims such as this, but
demand that Christian believers support theirs.

> Didn't I just instruct you on this point earlier today? Yeah, I did.
> Here it is again:
>
>    When you and your fellow knuckle-dragging right-wingnut Kremlin Girl
> / Bit of
>    Nothingness blurt "evasion noted," what you're really doing is
> conceding
>    defeat. Your concession of defeat is noted.
>
> Both you and she concede defeat almost daily by blabbering "evasion
> noted" or "more evasion," when in fact, the only evasion is coming from
> you two fuckwits because you can't support your claims.

Out of curiosity, exactly what claim am I refusing to support this time?

On 3/15/24 13:46, Siri Cruise wrote:
> Kualinar wrote:
>>>>> Something must have created evolution?
>>>>
>>>> Survival of the fittest, also known as natural selection.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, but what created natural selection?
>> Some say that there are no stupid questions. With your past two posts,
>> you have proven that to be wrong.
>>
>> Evolution is a natural process. Natural selection is another natural
>> process. NOTHING created any natural process. Natural processes just
>> happen.
>
> Biological evolution is an observed over the last 10.000 years or so.
> Darwin could explain variation of domesticated plants and animals by
> farmers who selected breeding pairs. He observed farmer selection had
> led to wide variety which also resulted in similar but distinct forms.

Natural selection may explain how species change as conditions change,
but it does not explain how life came to be, or how life "evolved" from
simple forms to complex forms. It seems that scientists have no managed
to create artificial RNA molecules, but that is a long way from an
artificial life form. At this point the belief that there is an
intelligent designer behind creation is as rational as the belief that
no such designer exists.

On 3/15/24 20:58, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in
> news:UySdnTsgoMGt8Gn4nZ2dnZfqnPsAAAAA@giganews.com:
>
>> On 3/15/24 10:29, Kualinar wrote:
>>> Le 2024-03-15 à 08:38, Whisper a écrit :
>>>> On 15/03/2024 7:13 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Whisper" <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>> news:65f2d76f$1@news.ausics.net...
>>>>>> On 14/03/2024 12:47 am, Kualinar wrote:
>>>>>>> Le 2024-03-12 à 17:50, Skeeter a écrit :
>>>>>>>> In article <usqf5b$g9dd$1@dont-email.me>, kuakinar@videotron.ca
>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But you can't prove anything else. So where did it all come
>>>>>>>>>>>> from?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> just saying 'god' is not the answer.  Where did god come
>>>>>>>>>>> from?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Where did human intelligence come from?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> An emerging property if a complex brain.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where did the brain come from.
>>>>>>> Evolution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Something must have created evolution?
>>>>>
>>>>> Survival of the fittest, also known as natural selection.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, but what created natural selection?
>>> Some say that there are no stupid questions. With your past two
>>> posts, you have proven that to be wrong.
>>>
>>> Evolution is a natural process. Natural selection is another natural
>>> process. NOTHING created any natural process. Natural processes just
>>> happen.
>>
>> Just happen?
>
>
> Yes.
>
>
>> What is you evidence for that?
>>
>
> Geology, botany, paleontology,
> microbiology, astronomy, climatology,
> archeology, cosmology.............
>
>
> https://opengeology.org/historicalgeology/a-brief-history-of-earth/

This is the only link which discusses the origin of life and possible
evolution. Here is the first paragraph in that section:
[...]
Early life in the Archean and earlier is poorly documented in the fossil
record. Based on chemical evidence and evolutionary theory, scientists
propose this life would have been single-celled photosynthetic
organisms, such as the cyanobacteria that created stromatolites.
Cyanobacteria produced free oxygen in the atmosphere through
photosynthesis. Cyanobacteria, archaea, and bacteria are
prokaryotes—primitive organisms made of single cells that lack cell
nuclei and other organelles.
[...]

"Scientists propose". In other words, we don't yet know.

Le 2024-03-16 à 08:04, David Hartung a écrit :
> On 3/15/24 13:27, Max Boot wrote:
>> On 3/15/2024 10:57 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 3/15/24 12:33, Max Boot wrote:
>>>> On 3/15/2024 8:45 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 3/15/24 10:29, Kualinar wrote:
>>>>>> Le 2024-03-15 à 08:38, Whisper a écrit :
>>>>>>> On 15/03/2024 7:13 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Whisper" <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:65f2d76f$1@news.ausics.net...
>>>>>>>>> On 14/03/2024 12:47 am, Kualinar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-03-12 à 17:50, Skeeter a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <usqf5b$g9dd$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>>> kuakinar@videotron.ca says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you can't prove anything else. So where did it all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just saying 'god' is not the answer.  Where did god come
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did human intelligence come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> An emerging property if a complex brain.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Where did the brain come from.
>>>>>>>>>> Evolution.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Something must have created evolution?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Survival of the fittest, also known as natural selection.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, but what created natural selection?
>>>>>> Some say that there are no stupid questions. With your past two
>>>>>> posts, you have proven that to be wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Evolution is a natural process. Natural selection is another
>>>>>> natural process. NOTHING created any natural process. Natural
>>>>>> processes just happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just happen?
>>>>> What is you [sic] evidence for that?
>>>>
>>>> Same answer. You believe that "natural processes" were created or
>>>> caused by "god." What is *your* (not "you") evidence for that? Let's
>>>> have it.
>>>
>>> More evasion
>>
>> Yes: yours, as you always do on this topic.
>>
>> The ball is in your court, but you don't know how to play the game.
>
> Actually it is not. You seldom, if ever support claims such as this, but
> demand that Christian believers support theirs.
You should STOP your attempts at reversing the burden of proof.
YOU claim that there is a god and that god MUST be the one from the bible.
Atheists just state that they don't believe in some god or gods.

YOU are the one making a positive claim, so, YOU are the one with the
burden of proof.
I just don't accept your claim. I just don't believe in a god, any god.
>
>> Didn't I just instruct you on this point earlier today? Yeah, I did.
>> Here it is again:
>>
>>     When you and your fellow knuckle-dragging right-wingnut Kremlin
>> Girl / Bit of
>>     Nothingness blurt "evasion noted," what you're really doing is
>> conceding
>>     defeat. Your concession of defeat is noted.
>>
>> Both you and she concede defeat almost daily by blabbering "evasion
>> noted" or "more evasion," when in fact, the only evasion is coming
>> from you two fuckwits because you can't support your claims.
>
> Out of curiosity, exactly what claim am I refusing to support this time?
>
You refuse to support your claim about the existence of your god as well
as that of all of the characters of the bible.