On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 9:34:41 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 10:12:19 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 10:00:12 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > More inventive comments from another fool. A cowardly CPA who was frightened for his own life to join the service. My best friend was a 5' tall Japanese kid who joined the Marine Corp as a lifer. But you couldn't have made it through Army basic training let along a Marine. You couldn't make it though Navy basic training. And as for the Air Force, that little black TI I had would have broken you down to tears in 5 seconds. You are a nothing, you've always been a nothing and will always be a nothing because that is what you like to be.
> > There are a number of reasons why I did not join the military. But I don't think fright was one of them. My Dad served in the Army in the mid 1950s. Back when every American male had to serve in the military or go to college. My Dad tried to go to college. But as he told me, "The money ran out." So he went to the Army for two years. The Army did pay for him to go to college afterwards. I remember as a child my Dad telling us kids that he never wanted any of us to go to the military. I've always remembered him telling us kids that. I'm guessing he learned how bad military service is when he put in his two years of service.
> >
> > You have claimed to have joined the Air Force after high school. I'm not sure how you were able to do that because I thought the military branches required all its applicants to have a high school education. And you did not. But maybe in the 1960s they looked the other way and took anybody. During the Vietnam War, the Army saw all the action. Not the Air Force or Navy. Probably the Marines saw action too. But you were in the Air Force. Most likely because you were frightened of fighting. Frightened of dying. Frightened of killing. Air Force and Navy were put in your time and you're done branches. Safe and secure. No actual danger. Frightened Tommy.
> >
> > Now I am not ridiculing you. Or mocking you. No no no. I had an uncle in the 1970s who joined the Navy after high school to avoid conscription. He graduated from high school, unlike you. He did not want to die in the Army.. So he put in his four years in the Navy. All for the good. He went to college afterwards. I had another uncle who did serve in the Army during Vietnam. He did not die fortunately.
> The reasons you did not join the military have been clear since your very first posting here - blustering fear and cowardice of the highest level. Don't try to hand out excuses since you weren't in any way different from most of the male population as even women were so much braver that not only did they join the service but wanted to serve in combat.
>
> Everything you write shows a level of ignorance so far above base level that you make most comics seem dull. We had a draft then and your claim is that all people had to do was not graduate from high school to avoid the draft. Can you suggest exactly why you write about things you know absolutely not the slightest thing about? Do you simply love lying and hence do it on a daily basis to support your addition?

Ha Ha. Its very humorous why you did not respond to my point. Tommy boy, you are a tough from Oakland. Yet you joined the Air Force. In Vietnam in the 1960s, how much fighting did the Air Force do in Vietnam? Or the Navy? Seems to me in the 1960s in Vietnam, the Army and Marines did all the fighting. And dying unfortunately. You joined the Air Force supposedly. No danger there.

On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 9:46:23 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Russell has shown himself to be the normal Democrat. He started out claiming that he was a conservative and then proceeded to expand upon his lies to the point where he now looks so ridiculous that it is funny.

Tommy, tommy, tommy. Please find and cite the reference where I claimed to be a "conservative". This is just one more of your very numerous made up lies. Do you lie every single time you open your mouth, or in this case type. Or does the truth accidentally slip out occasionally. And then you have to lie ten times as much to cover up the truth you accidentally let out.

On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 12:08:17 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> The Republicans damn well BETTER block a 7.5 trillion dollar budget which would grow the national debt to the point where it would require the ENTIRE tax income just to pay the interest on it and thereby put the US into bankruptcy.. You and Russell ought to get together. You neither understand anything about economics.

??????
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/federal-budget-receipts-and-outlays
https://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/historical-tables/ Look at Table 1.1
https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.whitehouse.gov%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2021%2F05%2Fhist01z1_fy22.xlsx&wdOrigin=BROWSELINK

Tommy, I know this will be impossible for you to understand and comprehend, but the federal budget is set in the prior year. The 2021 budget was set in September 2020. Trumpy set Biden's first year budget. Biden's first budget will apply to his second year in office. The budget being set now is for next year.

If you look at the above tables and budgets, you will see that Trumpy overspent, increased debt, by $3.1 and $3.6 TRILLION dollars in Trumpy's final two years of setting the budget. Trumpy overspent, increased the debt by about $9.6 TRILLION in his four budget years. In Obama's eight years setting the budget, he increased debt by $6.6 trillion. Trumpy increased debt, overspent, 50% more than Obama in half the time. Wow. Of course Trumpy did declare bankruptcy three, four, five times before becoming president so he proved he is a money spender, waster, fraud at business. And he's on his third wife too. He follows the same pattern with his businesses and wives. Declare bankruptcy/divorce and get a new one to start over.

And as Jay already pointed out, you do not understand the simplest of ideas.. Budget is what the current or next year's plan is for revenue(money in) and expense(money out). That results in a budget deficit for the current year. Deficit, or debt, is the accumulation (this is a fancy word for you Tommy, it means total keeping adding to) of all these annual budget deficits.. And the USA issues Treasury notes and bonds to finance this accumulated debt. Its all historical, last years and longer ago.

On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 07:21:45 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 4:22:52 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 07:51:40 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 4:50:18 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 10:59:20 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On 9/28/2021 9:56 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 1:30:51 AM UTC-7, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >>> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 9:31:40 AM UTC+2, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> >>>> On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 9:55:14 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> >> >>>>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> >>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 2:28:49 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>> On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 10:32:40 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>> Will you EVER stop with your bullshit? Mountain roads in Italy, Spain and France are often gravel or broken down asphalt.
>> >> >>>>>>> So it is very obvious that you a Trump licking Republican, have never ever actually been to Europe. I have. Three times. I have cycled on the Dolomites in northern Italy, the Alps in Switzerland, and lots of hilly roads in France and Portugal and Spain. And lots of roads in many other western European countries too. All the roads I was on were paved asphalt. No gravel and no broken down asphalt either. Europeans know how to keep excellent roads.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Fun story I like to tell. I rode from Czechoslovakia to Germany. I rode into the former East Germany. Germany was reunited when I was there in 1992. When I crossed the line between former East and West, it was as obvious as the nose on your face. The road went from old cracked to smooth new. Even the plants changed at the line. Scraggly dying brush on the East side and instantly blossoming green vibrant trees and grass on the West side. Startling change right at that line between free and enslaved.
>> >> >>>>>> You are telling everyone here that you prefer communism? Well then North Korea is just for you. So long and don't let the door hit you in the ass.
>> >> >>>>> Jeasus! You really don't have a clue, do you. The East side of the
>> >> >>>>> line, that he was talking about, with the "Scraggly dying brush" was
>> >> >>>>> the Communist side and the West side with the "blossoming green
>> >> >>>>> vibrant trees" was the side of the "good guys".
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> John B.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Thanks John for trying hopelessly to explain it to Tommy. Germany reunified in 1990 and I was there, in both former parts, in 1992. The only thing I will say against your reply is the good guys and communist side (bad side implied). On the former East side I stopped in a small town and was invited into the house by an old guy. I just sat at the table and drank some water. We could not talk because unlike all the young Germans, he did not know any English. So I just smiled and after a while thanked him with gestures probably and left. Continued my ride. I learned that there are good people in most, many places. The actions, philosophy of the government are not an accurate reflection of the people in a country. This old man probably was fighting for the Nazis in WW2 and lived 47 years under USSR communism. But he seemed good to me.
>> >> >>> You visit Germany and you can only communicate in your own language? Fighting for the nazi's, what does that mean? Most of them had to. 32000 poor bastards on a cemetery 30 km from my home:
>> >> >>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/1Ho5L7mMteoY7Wc9A
>> >> >>
>> >> >> After Germany was defeated and civilians were putting up white flags to show they were offering no resistance, the SS was going door to door dragging civilians out into the street and executing them. On the other side of the coin several SS officers were involved the anti-Hitler resistance after they discovered what he was doing. I have no pity for anyone who believed in Deutschland uber alles. I also have no pity for the present American politicians who STARTED this administration with an illegal invasion of Syria that STILL hasn't been reported on the Slime Stream Media.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Uh, no.
>> >> >Valkyrie Plot was regular Army not SS. It's well documented,
>> >> >not a mystery.
>> >> I think that his reference to "the SS was going door to door" is
>> >> actually a reference to the German authorities ordered the
>> >> establishment of summary Courts; these were mobile tribunals set up to
>> >> track down deserters (or suspected deserters) and hang them.
>> >> Established February 15, 1945.
>> >>
>> >> I have read reference to this in a number of publications always in
>> >> reference to the fall of Berlin and from what I read were carried out
>> >> by German Army personnel.
>> >
>> >John, these SS groups were marauders and nothing else. They were not looking for deserters though they might have found some. They were executing mainly German civilians who were marking their own homes with a white flag to show that they intended no resistance to the Allies. This wasn't a case or two but often entire villages starting with the mayor of the town.
>> And you know this how? You were there watching? You have a valid
>> reference written by a witness? Or you just made it up?
>>
>> By the way, here's' some photos of Berlin in 1945. See all the white
>> flags?
>> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52572544
>
>John, on your very best day you're really weird. You copy and paste absolute crap off of the Internet but then here you are denying dozens of books written by people who were there and saw it or were victims of it. Your mental illness shows with every posting.

Well Tommy you are free to post some sort of reference for your wild
claims but I and many other have noted that you seldom do.
So, if you have no reference you could, admittedly, be depending on
memory and describing what you saw or heard, on the spot, as it were.

So tell us Tommy, were you in Berlin in 1945 (when you were 1 year
old)?

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 07:27:39 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 5:51:43 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 08:11:29 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 6:50:07 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 17:58:01 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> >> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 3:30:51 AM UTC-5, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 9:31:40 AM UTC+2, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> >> > On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 9:55:14 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> >> >> > > On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> >> > > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > >On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 2:28:49 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> >> > > >> On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 10:32:40 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> > > >> > Will you EVER stop with your bullshit? Mountain roads in Italy, Spain and France are often gravel or broken down asphalt.
>> >> >> > > >> So it is very obvious that you a Trump licking Republican, have never ever actually been to Europe. I have. Three times. I have cycled on the Dolomites in northern Italy, the Alps in Switzerland, and lots of hilly roads in France and Portugal and Spain. And lots of roads in many other western European countries too. All the roads I was on were paved asphalt. No gravel and no broken down asphalt either. Europeans know how to keep excellent roads.
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >> Fun story I like to tell. I rode from Czechoslovakia to Germany. I rode into the former East Germany. Germany was reunited when I was there in 1992. When I crossed the line between former East and West, it was as obvious as the nose on your face. The road went from old cracked to smooth new. Even the plants changed at the line. Scraggly dying brush on the East side and instantly blossoming green vibrant trees and grass on the West side. Startling change right at that line between free and enslaved.
>> >> >> > > >You are telling everyone here that you prefer communism? Well then North Korea is just for you. So long and don't let the door hit you in the ass.
>> >> >> > > Jeasus! You really don't have a clue, do you. The East side of the
>> >> >> > > line, that he was talking about, with the "Scraggly dying brush" was
>> >> >> > > the Communist side and the West side with the "blossoming green
>> >> >> > > vibrant trees" was the side of the "good guys".
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > John B.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thanks John for trying hopelessly to explain it to Tommy. Germany reunified in 1990 and I was there, in both former parts, in 1992. The only thing I will say against your reply is the good guys and communist side (bad side implied). On the former East side I stopped in a small town and was invited into the house by an old guy. I just sat at the table and drank some water. We could not talk because unlike all the young Germans, he did not know any English. So I just smiled and after a while thanked him with gestures probably and left. Continued my ride. I learned that there are good people in most, many places. The actions, philosophy of the government are not an accurate reflection of the people in a country. This old man probably was fighting for the Nazis in WW2 and lived 47 years under USSR communism. But he seemed good to me.
>> >> >> You visit Germany and you can only communicate in your own language? Fighting for the nazi's, what does that mean? Most of them had to. 32000 poor bastards on a cemetery 30 km from my home:
>> >> >> https://photos.app.goo.gl/1Ho5L7mMteoY7Wc9A
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Lou
>> >> >
>> >> >I also visited Italy, Austria, Switzerland, Czechoslovakia, Netherlands, Belgium on that ride. But I only speak English. Can you communicate in the native language of all the countries I visited? I probably also communicated with impromptu sign language and gestures too.
>> >> >
>> >> >Maybe us Americans lump Germany and Nazis into one category when discussing WW2. I believe Nazi was a political party represented by Hitler. Everyone in Germany was not part of the Nazi political party. And not everyone who fought in WW2 from Germany was a member of the Nazi party. But Nazis and Germany are considered the same thing to Americans when referring to WW2. Kind of like we say Netherlands, Dutch, Holland. All the same thing to us. But technically, officially, to you there are probably differences.
>> >> The 1933 election gave the National Socialist German Workers' Party
>> >> (NAZI) some 37.3% of the votes in the national election and Hitler was
>> >> appointed as Chancellor of Germany on 30 January 1933 and in March
>> >> 1933 the Enabling Act gave the German Cabinet—most importantly, the
>> >> Chancellor—the powers to make and enforce laws without the involvement
>> >> of the Reichstag whereupon the Nazi party became the dominating factor
>> >> in the German Government and thus Germany.
>> >>
>> >> As to how popular the Nazi party was? Unemployment was some 6 million
>> >> 1933, when the Nazi party came into power and 3.3 million in 1934 and
>> >> by 1939 it was about 300,000. German currency was 4.2 to US$1.00 in
>> >> 1933 and 2.61/$1,00 in 1934.
>> >> >I visited the cemeteries at Normandy beach in France. Very somber. Oddly, the one thing that has remained with me from that visit was how well the grass was cut. Not a single blade of grass was out of place. I am positive the groundskeepers who were not good enough to cut the grass at Normandy were exported back to the US and assigned the second rate job of cutting grass at the White House.
>> >
>> >At what point will you stop cutting and pasting things out of the Internet that you don't understand John? Germany was in a DEEP depression because of the financial burden that they were supposed to pay for WW I. Hitler simply said "Screw you, we ain't paying no more". He built a military despite the treaty forbidding it so that no other European country dared to try and enforce the treaty. THAT is why Hitler became so popular so fast. Then he was given still more power by the weakness of the other countries failure to enforce what from the very first was and unfair and unenforceable treaty. And as always; power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
>> Tommy, the Nazi's in their first year of government did decrease
>> unemployment by 50% and did increase the value of the German currency
>> to double it's previous value. Don't you think that the German public
>> wasn't clapping their hands and shouting Hooray?
>>
>> I read that total nonfarm employees were 145,627,000 in January 2017
>> and 141,735,000 in September 2020, a decrease of about 2.6% in 4
>> years, and you leap up and down and shout Wonderful! Wonderful!
>> >You understand nothing of the world outside of your little sphere and you don't have any idea of how to recognize the true meaning of anything. Will you STOP your stupidity?
>> Outside my little sphere? Oh! You mean the sphere of a 77 year old,
>> brain damaged individual who wasn't intelligent enough to graduate
>> from high school, still lives in his mother's house, obviously never
>> wealthy enough to buy his own home, and exists on Social Security and
>> buying and selling second hand stuff on the Internet?
>>
>> All I can say is, "Thank the Lord!"
>
>The jealousy simply oozes out of every pore. What I find is going to be interesting is that the Democrats are presently threatening to stop your military retirement pay. You know that stuff that Jay calls pure socialism? Let's watch your love of Biden when the Republicans will not bend on Biden's 7.5 Trillion dollar budget so that you are without a pension for several months.

But Tommy the headlines in the News this morning is
"President Joe Biden has signed a stopgap bill passed earlier by
Congress ahead of a midnight deadline to avoid forcing the US
government to shut down due to lack of funding."

and it notes that
US government was forced to enter into a partial shutdown was in late
2018, when a spending clash between Congress and former President
Donald Trump furloughed workers and stalled programmes for 35 days.

So apparently Biden is doing better then Trump.
--
Cheers,

On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 07:39:58 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 6:26:54 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 9/29/2021 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>> > On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 08:11:29 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 6:50:07 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> >>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 17:58:01 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> >>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 3:30:51 AM UTC-5, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>>>> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 9:31:40 AM UTC+2, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >>>>>> On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 9:55:14 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >>>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 2:28:49 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 10:32:40 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> Will you EVER stop with your bullshit? Mountain roads in Italy, Spain and France are often gravel or broken down asphalt.
>> >>>>>>>>> So it is very obvious that you a Trump licking Republican, have never ever actually been to Europe. I have. Three times. I have cycled on the Dolomites in northern Italy, the Alps in Switzerland, and lots of hilly roads in France and Portugal and Spain. And lots of roads in many other western European countries too. All the roads I was on were paved asphalt. No gravel and no broken down asphalt either. Europeans know how to keep excellent roads.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Fun story I like to tell. I rode from Czechoslovakia to Germany. I rode into the former East Germany. Germany was reunited when I was there in 1992. When I crossed the line between former East and West, it was as obvious as the nose on your face. The road went from old cracked to smooth new. Even the plants changed at the line. Scraggly dying brush on the East side and instantly blossoming green vibrant trees and grass on the West side. Startling change right at that line between free and enslaved.
>> >>>>>>>> You are telling everyone here that you prefer communism? Well then North Korea is just for you. So long and don't let the door hit you in the ass.
>> >>>>>>> Jeasus! You really don't have a clue, do you. The East side of the
>> >>>>>>> line, that he was talking about, with the "Scraggly dying brush" was
>> >>>>>>> the Communist side and the West side with the "blossoming green
>> >>>>>>> vibrant trees" was the side of the "good guys".
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> John B.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Thanks John for trying hopelessly to explain it to Tommy. Germany reunified in 1990 and I was there, in both former parts, in 1992. The only thing I will say against your reply is the good guys and communist side (bad side implied). On the former East side I stopped in a small town and was invited into the house by an old guy. I just sat at the table and drank some water. We could not talk because unlike all the young Germans, he did not know any English. So I just smiled and after a while thanked him with gestures probably and left. Continued my ride. I learned that there are good people in most, many places. The actions, philosophy of the government are not an accurate reflection of the people in a country. This old man probably was fighting for the Nazis in WW2 and lived 47 years under USSR communism. But he seemed good to me.
>> >>>>> You visit Germany and you can only communicate in your own language? Fighting for the nazi's, what does that mean? Most of them had to. 32000 poor bastards on a cemetery 30 km from my home:
>> >>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/1Ho5L7mMteoY7Wc9A
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Lou
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I also visited Italy, Austria, Switzerland, Czechoslovakia, Netherlands, Belgium on that ride. But I only speak English. Can you communicate in the native language of all the countries I visited? I probably also communicated with impromptu sign language and gestures too.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Maybe us Americans lump Germany and Nazis into one category when discussing WW2. I believe Nazi was a political party represented by Hitler. Everyone in Germany was not part of the Nazi political party. And not everyone who fought in WW2 from Germany was a member of the Nazi party. But Nazis and Germany are considered the same thing to Americans when referring to WW2. Kind of like we say Netherlands, Dutch, Holland. All the same thing to us. But technically, officially, to you there are probably differences.
>> >>> The 1933 election gave the National Socialist German Workers' Party
>> >>> (NAZI) some 37.3% of the votes in the national election and Hitler was
>> >>> appointed as Chancellor of Germany on 30 January 1933 and in March
>> >>> 1933 the Enabling Act gave the German Cabinet—most importantly, the
>> >>> Chancellor—the powers to make and enforce laws without the involvement
>> >>> of the Reichstag whereupon the Nazi party became the dominating factor
>> >>> in the German Government and thus Germany.
>> >>>
>> >>> As to how popular the Nazi party was? Unemployment was some 6 million
>> >>> 1933, when the Nazi party came into power and 3.3 million in 1934 and
>> >>> by 1939 it was about 300,000. German currency was 4.2 to US$1.00 in
>> >>> 1933 and 2.61/$1,00 in 1934.
>> >>>> I visited the cemeteries at Normandy beach in France. Very somber. Oddly, the one thing that has remained with me from that visit was how well the grass was cut. Not a single blade of grass was out of place. I am positive the groundskeepers who were not good enough to cut the grass at Normandy were exported back to the US and assigned the second rate job of cutting grass at the White House.
>> >>
>> >> At what point will you stop cutting and pasting things out of the Internet that you don't understand John? Germany was in a DEEP depression because of the financial burden that they were supposed to pay for WW I. Hitler simply said "Screw you, we ain't paying no more". He built a military despite the treaty forbidding it so that no other European country dared to try and enforce the treaty. THAT is why Hitler became so popular so fast. Then he was given still more power by the weakness of the other countries failure to enforce what from the very first was and unfair and unenforceable treaty. And as always; power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
>> >
>> > Tommy, the Nazi's in their first year of government did decrease
>> > unemployment by 50% and did increase the value of the German currency
>> > to double it's previous value. Don't you think that the German public
>> > wasn't clapping their hands and shouting Hooray?
>> >
>> > I read that total nonfarm employees were 145,627,000 in January 2017
>> > and 141,735,000 in September 2020, a decrease of about 2.6% in 4
>> > years, and you leap up and down and shout Wonderful! Wonderful!
>> >
>> >> You understand nothing of the world outside of your little sphere and you don't have any idea of how to recognize the true meaning of anything. Will you STOP your stupidity?
>> >
>> > Outside my little sphere? Oh! You mean the sphere of a 77 year old,
>> > brain damaged individual who wasn't intelligent enough to graduate
>> > from high school, still lives in his mother's house, obviously never
>> > wealthy enough to buy his own home, and exists on Social Security and
>> > buying and selling second hand stuff on the Internet?
>> >
>> > All I can say is, "Thank the Lord!"
>> >
>> Subtract 22 million government positions from the 'total' to
>> get actual employees in the actual economy:
>>
>> https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/USGOVT
>
>Normal people would be shocked that the taxpayer is paying 24 million people to mostly do nothing while at the same time taking these people out of the labor force.

"paying 24 million people to mostly do nothing"

Isn't it strange? I was assigned to Edwards Air Base - the home of the
Air Force Test Center, Air Force Test Pilot School, and NASA's
Armstrong Flight Research Center during the F-11B tests.

On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 11:44:41 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 9/30/2021 9:53 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 9/30/2021 12:29 AM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 10:16:25 AM UTC-5,
>>> cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Despite the fairy tales, the Hell's Angels were mostly pretty good
>>>> guys that would get drunk and start fights. When I was a kid, they
>>>> were more or less controlled by Sonny Barger who aside from his
>>>> leadership of the Hell's Angels, was a writer and an actor.
>>>
>>> Trump in response to the Proud Boys, Neo-Nazis rally in
>>> Charlottesville Virginia where someone ran over and murdered a
>>> demonstrator.
>>> "but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides."
>>>
>>> Tommy is a mini Trump.
>>>
>>
>> Absolutely a lie of omission, Mr Seaton, and you know better.
>>
>> https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/sep/10/ad-watch-what-donald-trump-said-about-charlottesvi/
>>
>>
>> "I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists —
>> because they should be condemned totally."
>
>Come on, Andrew. That was his attempt at a correction after he was
>rightfully scolded for condemning the protesters on the left as strongly
>as the murderer and other neo-Nazis on the right.
>
>Trump's original statement: "We condemn in the strongest possible terms
>this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on
>many sides."
>
>That's an obvious sop to the right wing, to avoid losing the neo-Nazi vote.

But isn't the U.S. a produce of what might be called "right wing
radicals"? Folks that objected to how the central government was
acting and paying taxes (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 10:02:03 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 8:50:02 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 9/30/2021 10:41 AM, jbeattie wrote:
>> > On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 7:27:41 AM UTC-7, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The jealousy simply oozes out of every pore. What I find is going to be interesting is that the Democrats are presently threatening to stop your military retirement pay. You know that stuff that Jay calls pure socialism? Let's watch your love of Biden when the Republicans will not bend on Biden's 7.5 Trillion dollar budget so that you are without a pension for several months.
>> >
>> > Hey dope, if congress doesn't raise the debt ceiling and government is shut-down, your Social Security welfare payments will at least be delayed although not cut-off for bad behavior, as they should be.
>> BTW, if a government shutdown stops social security payments, I wouldn't
>> even notice. Unlike Tom.
>Tell that to your lover John who is living on his military retirement which you Democrats have said they will also stop. I may be living off of my SS but I don't have to. Moving over to my investments merely slows their growth.

No Tommy I am not living on my military retirement. As I have stated
that money goes to people in the U.S.

I'm living on my earnings, savings, and investments from my 20 plus
post military years. You see Tommy, I'm a product of a traditional New
England upbringing. "Work hard, save your money, and never, never, go
in debt". And you know what? Them Old Fellows was right.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 10:08:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 9:17:38 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 11:50:02 AM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> > On 9/30/2021 10:41 AM, jbeattie wrote:
>> > > On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 7:27:41 AM UTC-7, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> The jealousy simply oozes out of every pore. What I find is going to be interesting is that the Democrats are presently threatening to stop your military retirement pay. You know that stuff that Jay calls pure socialism? Let's watch your love of Biden when the Republicans will not bend on Biden's 7.5 Trillion dollar budget so that you are without a pension for several months.
>> > >
>> > > Hey dope, if congress doesn't raise the debt ceiling and government is shut-down, your Social Security welfare payments will at least be delayed although not cut-off for bad behavior, as they should be.
>> > BTW, if a government shutdown stops social security payments, I wouldn't
>> > even notice. Unlike Tom.
>> >
>> And of course he'll blame democrats, even though the republicans are the ones that are blocking it - Sort of like he attempted to blame Bill Clinton for the Graham-Leach-Blighly act.
>
>The Republicans damn well BETTER block a 7.5 trillion dollar budget which would grow the national debt to the point where it would require the ENTIRE tax income just to pay the interest on it and thereby put the US into bankruptcy.. You and Russell ought to get together. You neither understand anything about economics.

Well Tommy, wake up and smell the daisies. the loan bill was approved
and has been signed into law. As of this morning's news.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 14:41:48 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 2:15:16 AM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 22:36:02 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 7:27:46 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> >> Goodness gracious, the trials and tribulations of Basic Training. And
>> >> yes the TI did holler and scream. Especially at those who just
>> >> couldn't figure out which way was left and which way was right. Oh
>> >> yes, and also those that couldn't make their bed properly.
>> >> --
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> John B.
>> >
>> >Guessing TI means Training Instructor. Why didn't the Air Force just call them Drill Sergeants?
>> >Somewhat funny, and at the same time appalling, story my Dad told me about his time ? Where? in the Army. He and all the other soldiers got off the boat in Anchorage. Middle of winter. 0 degrees. Strong wind. Probably 20 below wind chill. All the soldiers standing in line on the dock. And some A hole drill sergeant was walking up and down the line screaming at them. For no reason. Any intelligent person or institute, which the Army is not, would have gotten out of the wind and cold and inside where it was warm. But not the Army. They thought it best to stand outside in the below freezing temperature and scream at the men.
>>
>> The Air Force "Drill Instructor" has had various titles over the
>> years. I believe that they are now called "Military Training
>> Instructor", or MTI.
>>
>> About the Sergeant shouting at the troops... well I don't want to
>> disparage your father, but frankly, after 20 years of service - ended
>> up a Master Sergeant - it doesn't make much sense as stated.
>>
>> If, for example, there was some transportation arriving shortly then
>> yes, it makes sense for them to stand there and wait. And get out of
>> the cold? Where? Was there facilities to house what sounds like
>> perhaps a company of men, say 150 troops, each with his 60 lb barracks
>> bag?
>>
>> And shouting? Ever tried to talk to a large group of people on a windy
>> day... without shouting (:-)
>> --
>> John B.
>
>Different interpretation of what happened. I was not there and my Dad did not go into great detail. Just generalities. I always interpreted it as the Drill Sergeant going up and down the line screaming at each soldier nose to nose. In the freezing cold and wind. You are thinking the Drill Sergeant was commanding, organizing the whole squad at once and standing back 10-20 feet and shouting to get everyone's attention.
>
Yes, and I did say "it doesn't make much sense as stated".

>As for whether the soldiers had buildings close by or not or were forced to stand in the cold because there was no place to go. This was Anchorage Alaska. Mid 1950s. Alaskan Territory. I'm guessing the Army and Navy had their own ships and bases and docks? I'm pretty sure the Army and Navy have been in Anchorage since we bought it from Russia. And guessing this was not the first ship of troops sent up there. I'm guessing they had been sending a boatload of troops up there every month for decades and decades. And they should have known what the weather was like. So some genius at the Army should have figured out the best way to get men off the boat and into shelter and not stand in the cold. For nothing. Its not like standing in the cold and freezing makes you a better soldier. I know physical training and toughening them up makes them better physically. But I don't think freezing people for no point makes them better soldiers. Its due to incompetence or you
>intentionally want to torture people.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 14:51:10 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 9:34:41 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 10:12:19 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 10:00:12 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > More inventive comments from another fool. A cowardly CPA who was frightened for his own life to join the service. My best friend was a 5' tall Japanese kid who joined the Marine Corp as a lifer. But you couldn't have made it through Army basic training let along a Marine. You couldn't make it though Navy basic training. And as for the Air Force, that little black TI I had would have broken you down to tears in 5 seconds. You are a nothing, you've always been a nothing and will always be a nothing because that is what you like to be.
>> > There are a number of reasons why I did not join the military. But I don't think fright was one of them. My Dad served in the Army in the mid 1950s. Back when every American male had to serve in the military or go to college. My Dad tried to go to college. But as he told me, "The money ran out." So he went to the Army for two years. The Army did pay for him to go to college afterwards. I remember as a child my Dad telling us kids that he never wanted any of us to go to the military. I've always remembered him telling us kids that. I'm guessing he learned how bad military service is when he put in his two years of service.
>> >
>> > You have claimed to have joined the Air Force after high school. I'm not sure how you were able to do that because I thought the military branches required all its applicants to have a high school education. And you did not. But maybe in the 1960s they looked the other way and took anybody. During the Vietnam War, the Army saw all the action. Not the Air Force or Navy. Probably the Marines saw action too. But you were in the Air Force. Most likely because you were frightened of fighting. Frightened of dying. Frightened of killing. Air Force and Navy were put in your time and you're done branches. Safe and secure. No actual danger. Frightened Tommy.
>> >
>> > Now I am not ridiculing you. Or mocking you. No no no. I had an uncle in the 1970s who joined the Navy after high school to avoid conscription. He graduated from high school, unlike you. He did not want to die in the Army. So he put in his four years in the Navy. All for the good. He went to college afterwards. I had another uncle who did serve in the Army during Vietnam. He did not die fortunately.
>> The reasons you did not join the military have been clear since your very first posting here - blustering fear and cowardice of the highest level. Don't try to hand out excuses since you weren't in any way different from most of the male population as even women were so much braver that not only did they join the service but wanted to serve in combat.
>>
>> Everything you write shows a level of ignorance so far above base level that you make most comics seem dull. We had a draft then and your claim is that all people had to do was not graduate from high school to avoid the draft. Can you suggest exactly why you write about things you know absolutely not the slightest thing about? Do you simply love lying and hence do it on a daily basis to support your addition?
>
>Ha Ha. Its very humorous why you did not respond to my point. Tommy boy, you are a tough from Oakland. Yet you joined the Air Force. In Vietnam in the 1960s, how much fighting did the Air Force do in Vietnam? Or the Navy? Seems to me in the 1960s in Vietnam, the Army and Marines did all the fighting. And dying unfortunately. You joined the Air Force supposedly. No danger there.

Well, of course the Air Force claimed credit for bringing the V.C. to
the bargaining table by bombing the north, but you are correct, Army
and Marine losses, in combat, were in the neighborhood of 39,000
spread over 10 years, while the Air Force and Navy losses were
something like 2,600 over the same 10 years.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 01 Oct 2021 09:12:14 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 07:39:58 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
><cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 6:26:54 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 9/29/2021 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> > On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 08:11:29 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 6:50:07 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>>> >>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 17:58:01 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>>> >>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 3:30:51 AM UTC-5, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 9:31:40 AM UTC+2, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> >>>>>> On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 9:55:14 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>> >>>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 2:28:49 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 10:32:40 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Will you EVER stop with your bullshit? Mountain roads in Italy, Spain and France are often gravel or broken down asphalt.
>>> >>>>>>>>> So it is very obvious that you a Trump licking Republican, have never ever actually been to Europe. I have. Three times. I have cycled on the Dolomites in northern Italy, the Alps in Switzerland, and lots of hilly roads in France and Portugal and Spain. And lots of roads in many other western European countries too. All the roads I was on were paved asphalt. No gravel and no broken down asphalt either. Europeans know how to keep excellent roads.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Fun story I like to tell. I rode from Czechoslovakia to Germany. I rode into the former East Germany. Germany was reunited when I was there in 1992. When I crossed the line between former East and West, it was as obvious as the nose on your face. The road went from old cracked to smooth new. Even the plants changed at the line. Scraggly dying brush on the East side and instantly blossoming green vibrant trees and grass on the West side. Startling change right at that line between free and enslaved.
>>> >>>>>>>> You are telling everyone here that you prefer communism? Well then North Korea is just for you. So long and don't let the door hit you in the ass.
>>> >>>>>>> Jeasus! You really don't have a clue, do you. The East side of the
>>> >>>>>>> line, that he was talking about, with the "Scraggly dying brush" was
>>> >>>>>>> the Communist side and the West side with the "blossoming green
>>> >>>>>>> vibrant trees" was the side of the "good guys".
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> John B.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Thanks John for trying hopelessly to explain it to Tommy. Germany reunified in 1990 and I was there, in both former parts, in 1992. The only thing I will say against your reply is the good guys and communist side (bad side implied). On the former East side I stopped in a small town and was invited into the house by an old guy. I just sat at the table and drank some water. We could not talk because unlike all the young Germans, he did not know any English. So I just smiled and after a while thanked him with gestures probably and left. Continued my ride. I learned that there are good people in most, many places. The actions, philosophy of the government are not an accurate reflection of the people in a country. This old man probably was fighting for the Nazis in WW2 and lived 47 years under USSR communism. But he seemed good to me.
>>> >>>>> You visit Germany and you can only communicate in your own language? Fighting for the nazi's, what does that mean? Most of them had to. 32000 poor bastards on a cemetery 30 km from my home:
>>> >>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/1Ho5L7mMteoY7Wc9A
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Lou
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I also visited Italy, Austria, Switzerland, Czechoslovakia, Netherlands, Belgium on that ride. But I only speak English. Can you communicate in the native language of all the countries I visited? I probably also communicated with impromptu sign language and gestures too.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Maybe us Americans lump Germany and Nazis into one category when discussing WW2. I believe Nazi was a political party represented by Hitler. Everyone in Germany was not part of the Nazi political party. And not everyone who fought in WW2 from Germany was a member of the Nazi party. But Nazis and Germany are considered the same thing to Americans when referring to WW2. Kind of like we say Netherlands, Dutch, Holland. All the same thing to us. But technically, officially, to you there are probably differences.
>>> >>> The 1933 election gave the National Socialist German Workers' Party
>>> >>> (NAZI) some 37.3% of the votes in the national election and Hitler was
>>> >>> appointed as Chancellor of Germany on 30 January 1933 and in March
>>> >>> 1933 the Enabling Act gave the German Cabinet—most importantly, the
>>> >>> Chancellor—the powers to make and enforce laws without the involvement
>>> >>> of the Reichstag whereupon the Nazi party became the dominating factor
>>> >>> in the German Government and thus Germany.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> As to how popular the Nazi party was? Unemployment was some 6 million
>>> >>> 1933, when the Nazi party came into power and 3.3 million in 1934 and
>>> >>> by 1939 it was about 300,000. German currency was 4.2 to US$1.00 in
>>> >>> 1933 and 2.61/$1,00 in 1934.
>>> >>>> I visited the cemeteries at Normandy beach in France. Very somber. Oddly, the one thing that has remained with me from that visit was how well the grass was cut. Not a single blade of grass was out of place. I am positive the groundskeepers who were not good enough to cut the grass at Normandy were exported back to the US and assigned the second rate job of cutting grass at the White House.
>>> >>
>>> >> At what point will you stop cutting and pasting things out of the Internet that you don't understand John? Germany was in a DEEP depression because of the financial burden that they were supposed to pay for WW I. Hitler simply said "Screw you, we ain't paying no more". He built a military despite the treaty forbidding it so that no other European country dared to try and enforce the treaty. THAT is why Hitler became so popular so fast. Then he was given still more power by the weakness of the other countries failure to enforce what from the very first was and unfair and unenforceable treaty. And as always; power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
>>> >
>>> > Tommy, the Nazi's in their first year of government did decrease
>>> > unemployment by 50% and did increase the value of the German currency
>>> > to double it's previous value. Don't you think that the German public
>>> > wasn't clapping their hands and shouting Hooray?
>>> >
>>> > I read that total nonfarm employees were 145,627,000 in January 2017
>>> > and 141,735,000 in September 2020, a decrease of about 2.6% in 4
>>> > years, and you leap up and down and shout Wonderful! Wonderful!
>>> >
>>> >> You understand nothing of the world outside of your little sphere and you don't have any idea of how to recognize the true meaning of anything. Will you STOP your stupidity?
>>> >
>>> > Outside my little sphere? Oh! You mean the sphere of a 77 year old,
>>> > brain damaged individual who wasn't intelligent enough to graduate
>>> > from high school, still lives in his mother's house, obviously never
>>> > wealthy enough to buy his own home, and exists on Social Security and
>>> > buying and selling second hand stuff on the Internet?
>>> >
>>> > All I can say is, "Thank the Lord!"
>>> >
>>> Subtract 22 million government positions from the 'total' to
>>> get actual employees in the actual economy:
>>>
>>> https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/USGOVT
>>
>>Normal people would be shocked that the taxpayer is paying 24 million people to mostly do nothing while at the same time taking these people out of the labor force.
>
>"paying 24 million people to mostly do nothing"
>
>Isn't it strange? I was assigned to Edwards Air Base - the home of the
>Air Force Test Center, Air Force Test Pilot School, and NASA's
>Armstrong Flight Research Center during the F-11B tests.

On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 11:49:57 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 9/30/2021 10:41 AM, jbeattie wrote:
>> On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 7:27:41 AM UTC-7, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> The jealousy simply oozes out of every pore. What I find is going to be interesting is that the Democrats are presently threatening to stop your military retirement pay. You know that stuff that Jay calls pure socialism? Let's watch your love of Biden when the Republicans will not bend on Biden's 7.5 Trillion dollar budget so that you are without a pension for several months.
>>
>> Hey dope, if congress doesn't raise the debt ceiling and government is shut-down, your Social Security welfare payments will at least be delayed although not cut-off for bad behavior, as they should be.
>
>BTW, if a government shutdown stops social security payments, I wouldn't
>even notice. Unlike Tom.

This should explain what might happen to social security payments:
"What a Government Shutdown Means for You"
<https://dankildee.house.gov/governmentshutdown>
Will I continue to receive my Social Security and SSI checks?
During a government shutdown, recipients will continue to
receive their Social Security and SSI checks.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 9:48:24 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
> >
> That was last week.
> Now, there's absolutely no need to raise the debt limit:
>
> https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-congress-budget-08d7ca3ffc7f438148570b04bc61ded0
>
> The $5 trillion blowout (touted as 'merely' $3.5 trillion)
> actually costs 'zero'. Your President says so.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Yes, but ten minutes later he couldn't remember what he said. I know, good people are supposed to stomp Democrats whenever they run into them, but I'm starting to feel sorry for the people who put that demented old geezer in the White House. How embarrassed they must be -- or would be if they were decent people -- at such elder abuse!

Andre Jute
Probably the most costly elder abuse in the history of the world.

On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 10:30:05 PM UTC+1, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> OK. I'll admit I did leave a little bit out. I saw what you posted in the article. But it sounds much much better for Trumpy and his ilk to support and approve and encourage the Neo Nazi crowd. He did tell the Proud Boys to stand by. That one is very true. And they were there in force at the January 6 attempted coup on the capital.
>
So, because you think your lie "sounds much much better", you slander your president with what everyone knows is a lie? You're scum, Russell S. Eaton or Russell Seaton, whatever your name is.

Andre Jute
After piles to high heaven since 2016 of lies that lifelong jerks thought "sounds much much better" than the truth, they still haven't learned how it poisons the commons.

On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 11:04:20 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 1:11:20 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Please continue typing out of your ass. Your flailing about is highly entertaining to those of us on the right side of the bell curve (REminder: we're laughing at you, not with you).
> > I do find it interesting that you cannot read and are more than willing to misrepresent what was written. That makes you a liar.
> Sure sparky, when I copied and pasted your claim "Trump removed ALL American troops from Syria ", and simply responded with a link showing that trump in fact _did_ leave troops in syria, that was a misrepresentation. Can you point to the lie I posted?
>
> Did I lie when i pasted your statement "Trump removed ALL American troops from Syria"?
> Did I lie when posted the link to a report showing trump _did_ leave troops in syria?
>
> Pretty simple math there, sparky, even for someone who didn't graduate high school.
>
> Keep flailing, little man, you're keeping us entertained.
Do you mean like the audience booing Biden when he showed up to the Congressional baseball game? Or perhaps you mean the 60,000 in attendance at the college football game chanting "Fuck Joe Biden"? What exactly are we suppose to conclude that some pencil neck geek like you knows about? People like you are born to be bullied which would be a shame if it wasn't a 12 year old schoolgirl doing so. So you are simply a funny little fool.

On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 2:09:21 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
> On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 1:48:24 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 9/30/2021 3:14 PM, jbeattie wrote:
> > > On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 10:08:17 AM UTC-7, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 9:17:38 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >>> On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 11:50:02 AM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >>>> On 9/30/2021 10:41 AM, jbeattie wrote:
> > >>>>> On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 7:27:41 AM UTC-7, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The jealousy simply oozes out of every pore. What I find is going to be interesting is that the Democrats are presently threatening to stop your military retirement pay. You know that stuff that Jay calls pure socialism? Let's watch your love of Biden when the Republicans will not bend on Biden's 7.5 Trillion dollar budget so that you are without a pension for several months.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hey dope, if congress doesn't raise the debt ceiling and government is shut-down, your Social Security welfare payments will at least be delayed although not cut-off for bad behavior, as they should be.
> > >>>> BTW, if a government shutdown stops social security payments, I wouldn't
> > >>>> even notice. Unlike Tom.
> > >>>>
> > >>> And of course he'll blame democrats, even though the republicans are the ones that are blocking it - Sort of like he attempted to blame Bill Clinton for the Graham-Leach-Blighly act.
> > >> The Republicans damn well BETTER block a 7.5 trillion dollar budget which would grow the national debt to the point where it would require the ENTIRE tax income just to pay the interest on it and thereby put the US into bankruptcy.. You and Russell ought to get together. You neither understand anything about economics.
> > >
> > > Uh, this has nothing to do with the next budget. It's the debt limit. Please try to keep up. It is how we fund current expenses set by the last budge, which (as always) includes debt service. You are in favor of the US defaulting on its debt? You do know what would happen, don't you? I expect you do know what would happen, because you are a self-proclaimed world-class economist, even though you don't understand the difference between a budget and a debt limit. But you might guess right. Give it a try.
> > >
> > > -- Jay Beattie.
> > >
> > That was last week.
> > Now, there's absolutely no need to raise the debt limit:
> >
> > https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-congress-budget-08d7ca3ffc7f438148570b04bc61ded0
> >
> > The $5 trillion blowout (touted as 'merely' $3.5 trillion)
> > actually costs 'zero'. Your President says so.
> What's your point? He's proposing a giant budget with tax increases to cover it -- kind of the opposite of what Trump did, which was giant budget with tax decrease and an increased deficit. We agree that giant budgets to cover unnecessary programs are not a good idea, but Biden claiming that his giant budget and multitude of programs will be covered by tax increases is a lot more realistic than claiming it will be covered by "trickle-down" or Mexico or other countries (e.g. tariffs, which of course are not paid by other countries). Trump just made sh** up, none of which happened, and we just sunk deeper into debt. And we sunk even deeper because we had to put Mid-West farmers on the dole.
>
> Again, we're working off an old budget and don't have the cash or credit to cover it. The debt limit has nothing to do with the infrastructure bills swirling around Congress -- or possible future spending or the funding sources for that spending. We can argue all day about whether the proposed programs (whatever they may be -- the big bill is still cooking) are good or bad, but that is a whole other thing.

That budget wasn't made by congress. It was written by the Chinese to bankrupt the USA. Even what passes for moderate Democrats now, know that and will not agree to it. That means that it is dead in the water

On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 08:59:31 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 2:09:21 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
>> On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 1:48:24 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> > On 9/30/2021 3:14 PM, jbeattie wrote:
>> > > On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 10:08:17 AM UTC-7, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > >> On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 9:17:38 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > >>> On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 11:50:02 AM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> > >>>> On 9/30/2021 10:41 AM, jbeattie wrote:
>> > >>>>> On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 7:27:41 AM UTC-7, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> The jealousy simply oozes out of every pore. What I find is going to be interesting is that the Democrats are presently threatening to stop your military retirement pay. You know that stuff that Jay calls pure socialism? Let's watch your love of Biden when the Republicans will not bend on Biden's 7.5 Trillion dollar budget so that you are without a pension for several months.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Hey dope, if congress doesn't raise the debt ceiling and government is shut-down, your Social Security welfare payments will at least be delayed although not cut-off for bad behavior, as they should be.
>> > >>>> BTW, if a government shutdown stops social security payments, I wouldn't
>> > >>>> even notice. Unlike Tom.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>> And of course he'll blame democrats, even though the republicans are the ones that are blocking it - Sort of like he attempted to blame Bill Clinton for the Graham-Leach-Blighly act.
>> > >> The Republicans damn well BETTER block a 7.5 trillion dollar budget which would grow the national debt to the point where it would require the ENTIRE tax income just to pay the interest on it and thereby put the US into bankruptcy.. You and Russell ought to get together. You neither understand anything about economics.
>> > >
>> > > Uh, this has nothing to do with the next budget. It's the debt limit. Please try to keep up. It is how we fund current expenses set by the last budge, which (as always) includes debt service. You are in favor of the US defaulting on its debt? You do know what would happen, don't you? I expect you do know what would happen, because you are a self-proclaimed world-class economist, even though you don't understand the difference between a budget and a debt limit. But you might guess right. Give it a try.
>> > >
>> > > -- Jay Beattie.
>> > >
>> > That was last week.
>> > Now, there's absolutely no need to raise the debt limit:
>> >
>> > https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-congress-budget-08d7ca3ffc7f438148570b04bc61ded0
>> >
>> > The $5 trillion blowout (touted as 'merely' $3.5 trillion)
>> > actually costs 'zero'. Your President says so.
>> What's your point? He's proposing a giant budget with tax increases to cover it -- kind of the opposite of what Trump did, which was giant budget with tax decrease and an increased deficit. We agree that giant budgets to cover unnecessary programs are not a good idea, but Biden claiming that his giant budget and multitude of programs will be covered by tax increases is a lot more realistic than claiming it will be covered by "trickle-down" or Mexico or other countries (e.g. tariffs, which of course are not paid by other countries). Trump just made sh** up, none of which happened, and we just sunk deeper into debt. And we sunk even deeper because we had to put Mid-West farmers on the dole.
>>
>> Again, we're working off an old budget and don't have the cash or credit to cover it. The debt limit has nothing to do with the infrastructure bills swirling around Congress -- or possible future spending or the funding sources for that spending. We can argue all day about whether the proposed programs (whatever they may be -- the big bill is still cooking) are good or bad, but that is a whole other thing.
>
>That budget wasn't made by congress. It was written by the Chinese to bankrupt the USA. Even what passes for moderate Democrats now, know that and will not agree to it. That means that it is dead in the water

"written by the Chinese to bankrupt the USA"

Right! Them stupid Chinks is out to bankrupt the buyer of something
like 20% of their world exports, which go to the U.S.?

Tommy, your logic is truly amazing.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 9/30/2021 7:35 PM, John B. wrote:

<snip>

> I'm living on my earnings, savings, and investments from my 20 plus
> post military years. You see Tommy, I'm a product of a traditional New
> England upbringing. "Work hard, save your money, and never, never, go
> in debt". And you know what? Them Old Fellows was right.

We were on a trip in New England last week, MA, NH, ME, and VT. Vermont
was especially wonderful.

Mask-wearing was nearly ubiquitous in all those states, even outside;
even inside where there were signs that masks were not required for
fully vaccinated individuals.

I did run into one anti-masker in New Hampshire (I guess he was part of
the "Get Covid and Die" movement), and he asked me "why are you wearing
a mask?" I replied "so I won't catch whatever it is that makes you act
that way."

On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 12:35:38 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
> On 9/30/2021 7:35 PM, John B. wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > I'm living on my earnings, savings, and investments from my 20 plus
> > post military years. You see Tommy, I'm a product of a traditional New
> > England upbringing. "Work hard, save your money, and never, never, go
> > in debt". And you know what? Them Old Fellows was right.
> We were on a trip in New England last week, MA, NH, ME, and VT. Vermont
> was especially wonderful.
>
> Mask-wearing was nearly ubiquitous in all those states, even outside;
> even inside where there were signs that masks were not required for
> fully vaccinated individuals.
>
> I did run into one anti-masker in New Hampshire (I guess he was part of
> the "Get Covid and Die" movement), and he asked me "why are you wearing
> a mask?" I replied "so I won't catch whatever it is that makes you act
> that way."
Tell me something Scharf - we're being told that over 80% of the population has been vaccinated. If that is so - exactly what would you be worried about? Are you afraid you might catch covid from someone that has been vaccinated? Or perhaps are you afraid that you might GIVE covid-19 to someone that hasn't been vaccinated? I am very curious about your thinking processes concerning these things. Do you understand even the chances of running into someone that hasn't been vaccinated?

On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 3:07:08 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Tell me something Scharf - we're being told that over 80% of the population has been vaccinated.

Why do you LIE so much Tommy? Have your masters told you they will kick you out of the Trump rump licking club if you don't lie constantly?

https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker
Vermont has the highest vaccination rate of any state at 69.6%.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-population-vaccinated-march-15.html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-19-vaccine-doses.html
65% of the whole USA has received at least one dose of the vaccine. 56% of the whole USA is fully vaccinated.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-total-admin-rate-total
CDC says 64.8% of whole USA has received at least one dose. 75.8% of everyone above age 12.

I realize you pulled this "over 80% of the population has been vaccinated" out of your butthole. But tell us how deep you had to reach?

Am 30.09.2021 um 04:41 schrieb John B.:
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 19:55:48 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 9/29/2021 7:05 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
>>> On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 12:22:52 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 07:51:40 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> After Germany was defeated and civilians were putting up white flags to show they were offering no resistance, the SS was going door to door dragging civilians out into the street and executing them. On the other side of the coin several SS officers were involved the anti-Hitler resistance after they discovered what he was doing. I have no pity for anyone who believed in Deutschland uber alles. I also have no pity for the present American politicians who STARTED this administration with an illegal invasion of Syria that STILL hasn't been reported on the Slime Stream Media.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Uh, no.
>>>>>>> Valkyrie Plot was regular Army not SS. It's well documented,
>>>>>>> not a mystery.
>>>>>> I think that his reference to "the SS was going door to door" is
>>>>>> actually a reference to the German authorities ordered the
>>>>>> establishment of summary Courts; these were mobile tribunals set up to
>>>>>> track down deserters (or suspected deserters) and hang them.
>>>>>> Established February 15, 1945.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have read reference to this in a number of publications always in
>>>>>> reference to the fall of Berlin and from what I read were carried out
>>>>>> by German Army personnel.
>>>>>
>>>>> John, these SS groups were marauders and nothing else. They were not looking for deserters though they might have found some. They were executing mainly German civilians who were marking their own homes with a white flag to show that they intended no resistance to the Allies. This wasn't a case or two but often entire villages starting with the mayor of the town.
>>>> And you know this how? You were there watching? You have a valid
>>>> reference written by a witness? Or you just made it up?
>>>>
>>>> By the way, here's' some photos of Berlin in 1945. See all the white
>>>> flags?
>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52572544
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> John B.
>>> .
>>> Christina Bielenberg, a reliable witness (an English housewife who spent the war in Germany), also told of the white sheets in the windows. In any event, Slow Johnny, in only the the third photograph from the top in YOUR link, I can see white sheets in windows.
>>>
>>> Every time you open your mouth, Shortass, you demonstrate again that you can't manage to scrape up two grains of brains to scratch together. This is another example. There is a time, obvious to thoughtful people, to put up a white flag to tell enemies you're not resisting, and a time before it when it is lethal to put up a white flag because brutalized Russian took these as markers of the easiest victims, and a time before that when it was lethal to put up a white flag because the last idolizers of Adolf Hitler would regard you as a traitor and off you permanently.
>>>
>>> For everyone with better discrimination than Slow Johnny, I really loved the description by the pinkos at the BBC of Russian front line soldiers at Berlin distributing soup and tea. A few may have (I'd like to see documentation and photographs); nothing is impossible. But Stalin's shock troops weren't an elite force but the scrapings of the earth after it was salted with Chinese fertilizer, released from jail or the gulag to "fight for the Rodina".
>>>
>>> I knew a woman who was gang-raped by the first Russian soldiers into Berlin. She and the resulting child had relatives in South Africa who took them in, and in the goodness of time she married a farmer, rich as Croesus, who built her a brilliant, huge home on a hill, and took her daughter as his own. But not all such stories had fairy-tale endings. The first part was a commonplace, though.
>>>
>>> Andre Jute
>>> Just as well Stalin sent the survivors of the taking of Berlin straight through to Siberia.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, there's plenty of period eyewitness literature:
>>
>>
>> https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/a-woman-in-berlin-eight-weeks-in-the-conquered-city-a-diary_anonymous_marta-hillers/257329/?resultid=881edd5e-e052-431e-aea9-1e25c57ad080#isbn=0312426119
>
> I didn't read the book, but from other accounts I have read it would
> seen that the German population, in Berlin, was terrified of the
> invading Russians, the book you mention even refers to "the mass rape
> suffered by all" which makes me doubtful that any "white flags" were
> waved as they would be very much a matter of announcing "here I am,
> come and get me".
>
> From the book The Fall of Berlin 1945
> They (the Russians) wreaked havoc—tanks crushing refugee columns, mass
> rape, pillage, and unimaginable destruction. Hundreds of thousands of
> women and children froze to death or were massacred; more than seven
> million fled westward from the fury of the Red Army. It was the most
> terrifying example of fire and sword ever known.

I can assure you that the situation was strongly different between those
parts of Germany where the Red Army came and those parts of Germany that
were liberated by Western armies;
I believe that on the side of the Red Army there was a difference
between small towns where the commander handed over undefended and the
"battle of Berlin" where there was "fighting to the last breath".

On 10/3/2021 9:08 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 3:07:08 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Tell me something Scharf - we're being told that over 80% of the population has been vaccinated.
>
> Why do you LIE so much Tommy? Have your masters told you they will kick you out of the Trump rump licking club if you don't lie constantly?
>
> https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker
> Vermont has the highest vaccination rate of any state at 69.6%.
>
> https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-population-vaccinated-march-15.html
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-19-vaccine-doses.html
> 65% of the whole USA has received at least one dose of the vaccine. 56% of the whole USA is fully vaccinated.
>
> https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-total-admin-rate-total
> CDC says 64.8% of whole USA has received at least one dose. 75.8% of everyone above age 12.
>
> I realize you pulled this "over 80% of the population has been vaccinated" out of your butthole. But tell us how deep you had to reach?

It's unclear why he chooses to lie. It could be a lack of education and
lack of critical thinking skills combined with only reading news from
fake news sites like Fox, Newsmax, OAN, etc.. It's not like anyone here,
that hasn't filtered him out, actually believes anything he says.

As to vaccination rates, some countries are at 80%, but not the U.S..
The U.S. was at 56.3% on October 2nd. Puerto Rico is at 70.7%, Vermont
is at 69.6%. That is fully vaccinated, not just one dose of a two dose
vaccine. I was in Vermont last week and not only is the vaccination rate
high, mask-wearing is nearly ubiquitous, even in places where there are
signs that fully vaccinated individuals don't have to wear masks.

I think that all U.S. airlines now require masks on-board, and they are
very strict. I was on a flight last Thursday where they made an
announcement, mid-flight, that masks could only be removed when actively
eating or drinking, just having food or a beverage on your tray was not
sufficient.

Now that companies are firing employees that refuse to get vaccinated,
and universities are expelling students that refuse to get vaccinated
(other than those that have a valid medical reason for refusing), the
percentages will start to rise in the U.S.. It's rather sad that it
takes threats of being fired to stop people from being stupid.

On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 9:08:52 PM UTC-7, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 3:07:08 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Tell me something Scharf - we're being told that over 80% of the population has been vaccinated.
> Why do you LIE so much Tommy? Have your masters told you they will kick you out of the Trump rump licking club if you don't lie constantly?
>
> https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker
> Vermont has the highest vaccination rate of any state at 69.6%.
>
> https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-population-vaccinated-march-15.html
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-19-vaccine-doses.html
> 65% of the whole USA has received at least one dose of the vaccine. 56% of the whole USA is fully vaccinated.
>
> https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-total-admin-rate-total
> CDC says 64.8% of whole USA has received at least one dose. 75.8% of everyone above age 12.
>
> I realize you pulled this "over 80% of the population has been vaccinated" out of your butthole. But tell us how deep you had to reach?
I just repeat what I'm told on ABC and CBS - if you want to believe a chart with no backing of the NIH that is your business. Sucking off the Democrats is your sort of thing now that you've decided to join the LGBTQ gang. As of September 26: "According to the CDC, 75% of eligible Americans have received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, but vaccination rates have declined by 37% over the past three weeks."

Tell me all about your usual ignorance and how you go about getting that stupid? Do you take pills for it or are you simply born that way?

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 7:28:05 AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
> On 10/3/2021 9:08 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 3:07:08 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Tell me something Scharf - we're being told that over 80% of the population has been vaccinated.
> >
> > Why do you LIE so much Tommy? Have your masters told you they will kick you out of the Trump rump licking club if you don't lie constantly?
> >
> > https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker
> > Vermont has the highest vaccination rate of any state at 69.6%.
> >
> > https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-population-vaccinated-march-15.html
> >
> > https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-19-vaccine-doses.html
> > 65% of the whole USA has received at least one dose of the vaccine. 56% of the whole USA is fully vaccinated.
> >
> > https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-total-admin-rate-total
> > CDC says 64.8% of whole USA has received at least one dose. 75.8% of everyone above age 12.
> >
> > I realize you pulled this "over 80% of the population has been vaccinated" out of your butthole. But tell us how deep you had to reach?
> It's unclear why he chooses to lie. It could be a lack of education and
> lack of critical thinking skills combined with only reading news from
> fake news sites like Fox, Newsmax, OAN, etc.. It's not like anyone here,
> that hasn't filtered him out, actually believes anything he says.
>
> As to vaccination rates, some countries are at 80%, but not the U.S..
> The U.S. was at 56.3% on October 2nd. Puerto Rico is at 70.7%, Vermont
> is at 69.6%. That is fully vaccinated, not just one dose of a two dose
> vaccine. I was in Vermont last week and not only is the vaccination rate
> high, mask-wearing is nearly ubiquitous, even in places where there are
> signs that fully vaccinated individuals don't have to wear masks.
>
> I think that all U.S. airlines now require masks on-board, and they are
> very strict. I was on a flight last Thursday where they made an
> announcement, mid-flight, that masks could only be removed when actively
> eating or drinking, just having food or a beverage on your tray was not
> sufficient.
>
> Now that companies are firing employees that refuse to get vaccinated,
> and universities are expelling students that refuse to get vaccinated
> (other than those that have a valid medical reason for refusing), the
> percentages will start to rise in the U.S.. It's rather sad that it
> takes threats of being fired to stop people from being stupid.
Scharf demonstrating yet again why as a politician he is an absolute loser that no one wants after one experience.