On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 08:24:24 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 3:28:00 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 08:02:58 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 5:52:34 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 15:16:05 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 1:54:31 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> >> >> On 10/6/2021 3:01 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> > On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 11:28:40 AM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
>> >> >> >> "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 4:39:57 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
>> >> >> >>>> On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 1:27:18 PM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>> jbeattie <jbeat...@msn.com> writes:
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 8:44:06 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>> On 10/5/2021 10:15 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:28:05 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Now that companies are firing employees that refuse to get
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> vaccinated,
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> and universities are expelling students that refuse to get
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> vaccinated
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> (other than those that have a valid medical reason for
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> refusing), the
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> percentages will start to rise in the U.S..
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Maybe, possibly, if we are really lucky. BUT, even if the vaccination
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> rises due to the threats, it will be a miniscule minimal amount. 0.1%
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> each month or so. As you state we are at 56.3% fully vaccinated now.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> If my 0.1% is accurate, it will take 15 years 7 months to reach that
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> mythical herd immunity percentage of 75%. 1 million, 2 million, 3
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> million more dead people? From a disease that is easily prevented
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> with an available vaccine. Is that winning?
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> Except it's not prevented by the available vaccine. CDC agrees that
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> vaccinated people can and do become infected and do spread
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> the disease.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> The "mythical" herd immunity vaccination threshold is indeed mythical,
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> there is no reason to think that covid would vanish even at 100%
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> vaccination.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> Successful human vaccines, such as smallpox, polio, measles, mumps,
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> pertussis, &c produce "sterilizing immunity". The vaccinated do not
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> become infected. The available covid vaccines do not work this way and
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> hence are not comparable. Leaky vaccines like those for covid
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> allow the
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> virus to continue to evolve among the vaccinated, which has given rise
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> to at least one remarkably lethal viral disease in chickens. Do a
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> search for "Marek's disease".
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> +1
>> >> >> >>>>>>> Which is why I have avoided calling the Pfizer/Moderna mRNA
>> >> >> >>>>>>> products 'vaccine'. J&J is an actual vaccine of attenuated
>> >> >> >>>>>>> virus.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> The mRNA jab promotes production of a blood-borne antibody.
>> >> >> >>>>>>> An antibody, one of the body's defenses, but only one.
>> >> >> >>>>>>> This is an important aspect of human immune response and is
>> >> >> >>>>>>> effective for the (sometimes fatal)
>> >> >> >>>>>>> vascular/cardiac/respiratory damage caused by a combination
>> >> >> >>>>>>> of the virus and cysteine response. It does not promote
>> >> >> >>>>>>> production of respiratory/mucosa antibodies (found in
>> >> >> >>>>>>> 'natural' immunity) so you are exactly right. The mRNA shot
>> >> >> >>>>>>> will likely keep you from dying but will not stop you from
>> >> >> >>>>>>> contracting or spreading the CCP Wuhan product.
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> "Natural immunity" isn't faring that well.
>> >> >> >>>>>> https://news.yale.edu/2021/10/01/unvaccinated-reinfection-sars-cov-2-likely-study-finds
>> >> >> >>>>>> Natural immunity and a vaccine appear to be the ticket, although one
>> >> >> >>>>>> would prefer to skip being sick to start with. No vaccine is 100% and
>> >> >> >>>>>> many are not effective forever. Flu vaccines are notoriously
>> >> >> >>>>>> ineffective, but we still take them, and they prevent some infections.
>> >> >> >>>>> Who is this "we"? Patients in the US are able to choose whether to get
>> >> >> >>>>> a flu shot or not. They should be able to make a choice with respect to
>> >> >> >>>>> covid as well. For healthy young people the covid vaccine is almost
>> >> >> >>>>> certainly more dangerous, (albeit fairly safe), than infection with covid.
>> >> >> >>>> Almost certainly? CDC says that vaccines are safer for young people
>> >> >> >>>> than the disease, but maybe they are lying to us because they want
>> >> >> >>>> to kill young people. Personally, I think we should be out to kill
>> >> >> >>>> the old people to reduce the pressure on the SS/Medicare trusts.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> I read Radey's comments too and wondered. I've seen lots of stories
>> >> >> >>> about kids catching Covid and some of them dying. Especially in
>> >> >> >>> Mississippi and other anti vaccine Republican states that outlaw
>> >> >> >>> masks. But I guess they are only kids so what, who cares. They can't
>> >> >> >>> vote and give me money so...
>> >> >> >> If you have any numbers on kids, say below 18, dying *of* covid, that
>> >> >> >> might be informative. Stories, in this day and age, are increasingly
>> >> >> >> just that.
>> >> >> > The deaths of EVERYONE under 25 is perfectly normal
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> I didn't die at 25. Some close calls, but no.
>> >> >> (yes, I have been called abnormal)
>> >> >
>> >> >I remember crawling forward from the tail gunners position to the front
cabin after a bomb run. I didn't know that in case we had shrapnel
from the anti-aircraft that might have penetrated a bomb, they left
the bomb doors open to air out the bays and dry the HE which was
liquid. The shelf you had to crawl on was maybe 6" wide and the sides
of the aircraft were circular so that it would tip you out and over he
bomb bays and to move forward you would stick a finger in forward to
where a lateral rib crossed over a for and aft rib. This left a space
about the size of a finger and a half where you could maintain your
balance.
>> >> Tommy, by your own admission you are a liar. You have told us all
>> >> about how you were a helper for a more skilled worker and how you and
>> >> your mate fixed all those things that the "stars" couldn't fix and
>> >> now, suddenly you have become a tail gunner.
>> >>
>> >> As I have said, your stores might go over big with the other drunks
>> >> down at the VFW but for somebody that actually was there you come
>> >> across as just a silly fool, trying to tell everyone what a hero you
>> >> were.
>> >
>> >For someone that is a real nobody - the crew chief on a bomber that never existed -
you sure know a lot. You must have learned that entirely by intuition
and not because you had superior enlisted men to teach you. It must
have been wonderful to go from E1 to E7 overnight without the help of
anyone else at any time.
>> Hardly Tommy, it took me some years to "go from E1 to E7" but still I
>> don't have to tell lies like you. A 19 year old gunner on a B-52, from
>> your other posts been in the Air Force a whole year all ready.
>>
>> And the bombs leaking so we have to dry them out?
>>
>> I will say one thing Tommy, you do have a vivid imagination.
>
>What the hell are you talking about? What 19 year old tail gunner? You certainly are inventive.
>
>Explain why the B52 would leave the bomb bay doors open until we climbed up to 20,000 ft. You're inventive and as a crew chief of bomber certainly you know about bombs.

On 10/8/2021 5:15 PM, John B. wrote:

<snip>

> Tom, telling a small fib, or exaggeration, might be considered normal
> but rambling on and on about things that you, so obviously, know
> nothing at all, is ludicrous.

Sadly, that's become standard operating procedure, not just for Tom, but
for a disturbingly large number of U.S. residents. It became cool to be
act stupid once Trump was elected. The pandemic made things worse as
many people doubled-down on their ignorance--Tom is hardly alone.

There is some hope though. Trump is gone, and those involved in the
January 6th insurrection are finally being jailed, albeit for sentences
that are way too short. The FDA approval of vaccines has made it
acceptable for companies to give employees the choice of getting
vaccinated or being fired, and most of those that were refusing
vaccinations just to be obnoxious are suddenly willing to be vaccinated,
see
<https://www.nj.com/opinion/2021/10/unmasked-unvaxxed-unemployed-sheneman.html>.
Biden is getting the country back on track though it will take at least
a decade to undo the damage Trump wrought.

On Friday, October 8, 2021 at 12:28:57 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, October 8, 2021 at 9:28:43 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
> > On Friday, October 8, 2021 at 8:28:33 AM UTC-7, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 4:07:00 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 1:07:53 PM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
> > > > > jbeattie <jbeat...@msn.com> writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 1:27:18 PM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
> > > > > >> jbeattie <jbeat...@msn.com> writes:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 8:44:06 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > > > > >> >> On 10/5/2021 10:15 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> >> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:28:05 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > >> >> >>> Now that companies are firing employees that refuse to get vaccinated,
> > > > > >> >> >>> and universities are expelling students that refuse to get vaccinated
> > > > > >> >> >>> (other than those that have a valid medical reason for refusing), the
> > > > > >> >> >>> percentages will start to rise in the U.S..
> > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > >> >> >> Maybe, possibly, if we are really lucky. BUT, even if the vaccination
> > > > > >> >> >> rises due to the threats, it will be a miniscule minimal amount. 0.1%
> > > > > >> >> >> each month or so. As you state we are at 56.3% fully vaccinated now.
> > > > > >> >> >> If my 0.1% is accurate, it will take 15 years 7 months to reach that
> > > > > >> >> >> mythical herd immunity percentage of 75%. 1 million, 2 million, 3
> > > > > >> >> >> million more dead people? From a disease that is easily prevented
> > > > > >> >> >> with an available vaccine. Is that winning?
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > Except it's not prevented by the available vaccine. CDC agrees that
> > > > > >> >> > vaccinated people can and do become infected and do spread the disease.
> > > > > >> >> > The "mythical" herd immunity vaccination threshold is indeed mythical,
> > > > > >> >> > there is no reason to think that covid would vanish even at 100%
> > > > > >> >> > vaccination.
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > Successful human vaccines, such as smallpox, polio, measles, mumps,
> > > > > >> >> > pertussis, &c produce "sterilizing immunity". The vaccinated do not
> > > > > >> >> > become infected. The available covid vaccines do not work this way and
> > > > > >> >> > hence are not comparable. Leaky vaccines like those for covid allow the
> > > > > >> >> > virus to continue to evolve among the vaccinated, which has given rise
> > > > > >> >> > to at least one remarkably lethal viral disease in chickens. Do a
> > > > > >> >> > search for "Marek's disease".
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> +1
> > > > > >> >> Which is why I have avoided calling the Pfizer/Moderna mRNA
> > > > > >> >> products 'vaccine'. J&J is an actual vaccine of attenuated
> > > > > >> >> virus.
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> The mRNA jab promotes production of a blood-borne antibody.
> > > > > >> >> An antibody, one of the body's defenses, but only one.
> > > > > >> >> This is an important aspect of human immune response and is
> > > > > >> >> effective for the (sometimes fatal)
> > > > > >> >> vascular/cardiac/respiratory damage caused by a combination
> > > > > >> >> of the virus and cysteine response. It does not promote
> > > > > >> >> production of respiratory/mucosa antibodies (found in
> > > > > >> >> 'natural' immunity) so you are exactly right. The mRNA shot
> > > > > >> >> will likely keep you from dying but will not stop you from
> > > > > >> >> contracting or spreading the CCP Wuhan product.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > "Natural immunity" isn't faring that well.
> > > > > >> > https://news.yale.edu/2021/10/01/unvaccinated-reinfection-sars-cov-2-likely-study-finds
> > > > > >> > Natural immunity and a vaccine appear to be the ticket, although one
> > > > > >> > would prefer to skip being sick to start with. No vaccine is 100% and
> > > > > >> > many are not effective forever. Flu vaccines are notoriously
> > > > > >> > ineffective, but we still take them, and they prevent some infections.
> > > > > >> Who is this "we"? Patients in the US are able to choose whether to get
> > > > > >> a flu shot or not. They should be able to make a choice with respect to
> > > > > >> covid as well. For healthy young people the covid vaccine is almost
> > > > > >> certainly more dangerous, (albeit fairly safe), than infection with covid.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Almost certainly? CDC says that vaccines are safer for young people
> > > > > > than the disease, but maybe they are lying to us because they want to
> > > > > > kill young people. Personally, I think we should be out to kill the
> > > > > > old people to reduce the pressure on the SS/Medicare trusts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> As for natural immunity, here's a paper based on Israeli data that
> > > > > >> claims considerably more protection from natural immunity than from
> > > > > >> vaccination:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> You might note that Israel was and is at the forefront in coercing their
> > > > > >> citizens into covid vaccination. It does not seem to have gone very
> > > > > >> well; last I read they were considering a mandate for boooster #2 (shot
> > > > > >> #4).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Israel study showed that natural immunity and at least one dose of
> > > > > > vaccine provided the best immunity. That's why I mentioned it.
> > > > > > Whether their observational retrospective study is accurate is beyond
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > expertise. https://www.factcheck.org/2021/09/scicheck-instagram-post-missing-context-about-israeli-study-on-covid-19-natural-immunity/
> > > > > > The Yale study uses a different methodology, and I haven't read it
> > > > > > completely, but it is peer reviewed and in Lancet. The bottom line
> > > > > > for both studies is that getting poked is a plus, whether you're
> > > > > > previously infected or not.
> > > > >
> > > > > You might be interested in a physician's comments on the Israeli study:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://aaronkheriaty.substack.com/p/on-vaccinating-those-with-natural
> > > > >
> > > > > Essentially he says that the benefit of an extra shot for the recovered
> > > > > is negligible, and only detected in the study as asymptomatic
> > > > > infections. Whereas the risk of vaccination, while small, is not
> > > > > negligible.
> > > > >
> > > > > An extra shot might possibly make sense for someone as old as you or me,
> > > > > but for someone under 30 it almost certainly does not. For someone
> > > > > under 12, Pfizer's next target market, it's just straight up medical
> > > > > malpractice.
> > > > Really, that's an opinion piece and not science. He's an associate clinical professor of psychiatry. Its notable that, to him, the "clinically significant" side effects were: "fever, fatigue, myalgia-arthralgia and lymphadenopathy." I have all those things just sitting here in my office chair -- well, not really a fever, but I do feel hot. It could be my fleece jacket.
> > > >
> > > > I felt crappy after my second shot, which is apparently a good sign that my immune system is working. I felt worse after my first shingles shot. I felt ten times worse after my ride last weekend, but it could have been from drinking too much beer the day before.
> > > >
> > > > And there is no question that a vaccine helps people in Kentucky. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-protection.html They could be different from people in Israel.
> > > Jay, why the pretense that psychiatry isn't a specialty that one assumes AFTER they've gone through medical school and completed their residency? Or perhaps you aren't aware of that?
> > Dear dope, yes a psychiatrist completes medical school and a residency .. . . in psychiatry. The residency involves giving people like you a lot of Haloperidol and a sunny spot to park their wheelchairs. It does not involve epidemiology, virology or evaluating retrospective cohort studies. There are actual epidemiologists who do that.
> > >
> > > Now the world according to Jay is that Jews are different from real people. Are you now joining John is solid racist beliefs?
> > The world according to actual scientists is that different populations may have different responses to various therapies or pathogens/toxins for a number of reasons. Consider the Japanese smoking paradox: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12889681/ There are many examples.
> Dear Jay, I just told you, these people are MD's and THEN specialize by getting a PhD in psychiatry. Apparently you never looked on the wall of your own psychiatrists office.

On Friday, October 8, 2021 at 5:15:27 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 08:24:24 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 3:28:00 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 08:02:58 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 5:52:34 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 15:16:05 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 1:54:31 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >> >> >> On 10/6/2021 3:01 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> >> > On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 11:28:40 AM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
> >> >> >> >> "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>> On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 4:39:57 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>> On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 1:27:18 PM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>> jbeattie <jbeat...@msn.com> writes:
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>> On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 8:44:06 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> On 10/5/2021 10:15 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:28:05 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Now that companies are firing employees that refuse to get
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> vaccinated,
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> and universities are expelling students that refuse to get
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> vaccinated
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> (other than those that have a valid medical reason for
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> refusing), the
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> percentages will start to rise in the U.S..
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Maybe, possibly, if we are really lucky. BUT, even if the vaccination
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> rises due to the threats, it will be a miniscule minimal amount. 0.1%
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> each month or so. As you state we are at 56.3% fully vaccinated now.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> If my 0.1% is accurate, it will take 15 years 7 months to reach that
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> mythical herd immunity percentage of 75%. 1 million, 2 million, 3
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> million more dead people? From a disease that is easily prevented
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> with an available vaccine. Is that winning?
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Except it's not prevented by the available vaccine. CDC agrees that
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> vaccinated people can and do become infected and do spread
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> the disease.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> The "mythical" herd immunity vaccination threshold is indeed mythical,
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> there is no reason to think that covid would vanish even at 100%
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> vaccination.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Successful human vaccines, such as smallpox, polio, measles, mumps,
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> pertussis, &c produce "sterilizing immunity". The vaccinated do not
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> become infected. The available covid vaccines do not work this way and
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> hence are not comparable. Leaky vaccines like those for covid
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> allow the
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> virus to continue to evolve among the vaccinated, which has given rise
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> to at least one remarkably lethal viral disease in chickens. Do a
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> search for "Marek's disease".
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> +1
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Which is why I have avoided calling the Pfizer/Moderna mRNA
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> products 'vaccine'. J&J is an actual vaccine of attenuated
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> virus.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> The mRNA jab promotes production of a blood-borne antibody.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> An antibody, one of the body's defenses, but only one.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> This is an important aspect of human immune response and is
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> effective for the (sometimes fatal)
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> vascular/cardiac/respiratory damage caused by a combination
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> of the virus and cysteine response. It does not promote
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> production of respiratory/mucosa antibodies (found in
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> 'natural' immunity) so you are exactly right. The mRNA shot
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> will likely keep you from dying but will not stop you from
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> contracting or spreading the CCP Wuhan product.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>> "Natural immunity" isn't faring that well.
> >> >> >> >>>>>> https://news.yale.edu/2021/10/01/unvaccinated-reinfection-sars-cov-2-likely-study-finds
> >> >> >> >>>>>> Natural immunity and a vaccine appear to be the ticket, although one
> >> >> >> >>>>>> would prefer to skip being sick to start with. No vaccine is 100% and
> >> >> >> >>>>>> many are not effective forever. Flu vaccines are notoriously
> >> >> >> >>>>>> ineffective, but we still take them, and they prevent some infections.
> >> >> >> >>>>> Who is this "we"? Patients in the US are able to choose whether to get
> >> >> >> >>>>> a flu shot or not. They should be able to make a choice with respect to
> >> >> >> >>>>> covid as well. For healthy young people the covid vaccine is almost
> >> >> >> >>>>> certainly more dangerous, (albeit fairly safe), than infection with covid.
> >> >> >> >>>> Almost certainly? CDC says that vaccines are safer for young people
> >> >> >> >>>> than the disease, but maybe they are lying to us because they want
> >> >> >> >>>> to kill young people. Personally, I think we should be out to kill
> >> >> >> >>>> the old people to reduce the pressure on the SS/Medicare trusts.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> I read Radey's comments too and wondered. I've seen lots of stories
> >> >> >> >>> about kids catching Covid and some of them dying. Especially in
> >> >> >> >>> Mississippi and other anti vaccine Republican states that outlaw
> >> >> >> >>> masks. But I guess they are only kids so what, who cares. They can't
> >> >> >> >>> vote and give me money so...
> >> >> >> >> If you have any numbers on kids, say below 18, dying *of* covid, that
> >> >> >> >> might be informative. Stories, in this day and age, are increasingly
> >> >> >> >> just that.
> >> >> >> > The deaths of EVERYONE under 25 is perfectly normal
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> I didn't die at 25. Some close calls, but no.
> >> >> >> (yes, I have been called abnormal)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I remember crawling forward from the tail gunners position to the front
> cabin after a bomb run. I didn't know that in case we had shrapnel
> from the anti-aircraft that might have penetrated a bomb, they left
> the bomb doors open to air out the bays and dry the HE which was
> liquid. The shelf you had to crawl on was maybe 6" wide and the sides
> of the aircraft were circular so that it would tip you out and over he
> bomb bays and to move forward you would stick a finger in forward to
> where a lateral rib crossed over a for and aft rib. This left a space
> about the size of a finger and a half where you could maintain your
> balance.
> >> >> Tommy, by your own admission you are a liar. You have told us all
> >> >> about how you were a helper for a more skilled worker and how you and
> >> >> your mate fixed all those things that the "stars" couldn't fix and
> >> >> now, suddenly you have become a tail gunner.
> >> >>
> >> >> As I have said, your stores might go over big with the other drunks
> >> >> down at the VFW but for somebody that actually was there you come
> >> >> across as just a silly fool, trying to tell everyone what a hero you
> >> >> were.
> >> >
> >> >For someone that is a real nobody - the crew chief on a bomber that never existed -
> you sure know a lot. You must have learned that entirely by intuition
> and not because you had superior enlisted men to teach you. It must
> have been wonderful to go from E1 to E7 overnight without the help of
> anyone else at any time.
> >> Hardly Tommy, it took me some years to "go from E1 to E7" but still I
> >> don't have to tell lies like you. A 19 year old gunner on a B-52, from
> >> your other posts been in the Air Force a whole year all ready.
> >>
> >> And the bombs leaking so we have to dry them out?
> >>
> >> I will say one thing Tommy, you do have a vivid imagination.
> >
> >What the hell are you talking about? What 19 year old tail gunner? You certainly are inventive.
> >
> >Explain why the B52 would leave the bomb bay doors open until we climbed up to 20,000 ft. You're inventive and as a crew chief of bomber certainly you know about bombs.
> Well Tommy this is a new one. Leaving the bomb doors open until the
> B-52 gets to 20,000 ft. And this is to dry the bombs out? Or have you
> got some other wild notion this morning?
>
> And it is rather strange that I was "around" B-52's for 10 years or
> more and have seen quite a number take off during that period... and
> not a single one had the bomb doors open on take off. In fact I've
> never seen a B-52 taxiing on the ground with the bomb doors open.
>
> And, how strange that the conventional bombs we used during the Korean
> escapade didn't require drying out, isn't it. Do you think that the
> Air Force developed some special sort of new leaky bombs just so Tommy
> could watch them dry?
>
> Tom, telling a small fib, or exaggeration, might be considered normal
> but rambling on and on about things that you, so obviously, know
> nothing at all, is ludicrous.

On Friday, October 8, 2021 at 6:09:32 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
> On 10/8/2021 5:15 PM, John B. wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > Tom, telling a small fib, or exaggeration, might be considered normal
> > but rambling on and on about things that you, so obviously, know
> > nothing at all, is ludicrous.
> Sadly, that's become standard operating procedure, not just for Tom, but
> for a disturbingly large number of U.S. residents. It became cool to be
> act stupid once Trump was elected. The pandemic made things worse as
> many people doubled-down on their ignorance--Tom is hardly alone.
>
> There is some hope though. Trump is gone, and those involved in the
> January 6th insurrection are finally being jailed, albeit for sentences
> that are way too short. The FDA approval of vaccines has made it
> acceptable for companies to give employees the choice of getting
> vaccinated or being fired, and most of those that were refusing
> vaccinations just to be obnoxious are suddenly willing to be vaccinated,
> see
> <https://www.nj.com/opinion/2021/10/unmasked-unvaxxed-unemployed-sheneman.html>.
> Biden is getting the country back on track though it will take at least
> a decade to undo the damage Trump wrought.
Would you like to put money on the outcome of the next two elections?

On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 12:38:49 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, October 8, 2021 at 5:15:27 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 08:24:24 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 3:28:00 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 08:02:58 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 5:52:34 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 15:16:05 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 1:54:31 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> >> >> >> On 10/6/2021 3:01 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> >> > On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 11:28:40 AM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>> On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 4:39:57 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>> On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 1:27:18 PM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>>> jbeattie <jbeat...@msn.com> writes:
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 8:44:06 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> On 10/5/2021 10:15 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:28:05 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Now that companies are firing employees that refuse to get
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> vaccinated,
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> and universities are expelling students that refuse to get
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> vaccinated
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> (other than those that have a valid medical reason for
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> refusing), the
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> percentages will start to rise in the U.S..
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Maybe, possibly, if we are really lucky. BUT, even if the vaccination
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> rises due to the threats, it will be a miniscule minimal amount. 0.1%
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> each month or so. As you state we are at 56.3% fully vaccinated now.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> If my 0.1% is accurate, it will take 15 years 7 months to reach that
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> mythical herd immunity percentage of 75%. 1 million, 2 million, 3
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> million more dead people? From a disease that is easily prevented
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> with an available vaccine. Is that winning?
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Except it's not prevented by the available vaccine. CDC agrees that
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> vaccinated people can and do become infected and do spread
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> the disease.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> The "mythical" herd immunity vaccination threshold is indeed mythical,
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> there is no reason to think that covid would vanish even at 100%
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> vaccination.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Successful human vaccines, such as smallpox, polio, measles, mumps,
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> pertussis, &c produce "sterilizing immunity". The vaccinated do not
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> become infected. The available covid vaccines do not work this way and
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> hence are not comparable. Leaky vaccines like those for covid
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> allow the
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> virus to continue to evolve among the vaccinated, which has given rise
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> to at least one remarkably lethal viral disease in chickens. Do a
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> search for "Marek's disease".
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> +1
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Which is why I have avoided calling the Pfizer/Moderna mRNA
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> products 'vaccine'. J&J is an actual vaccine of attenuated
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> virus.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> The mRNA jab promotes production of a blood-borne antibody.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> An antibody, one of the body's defenses, but only one.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> This is an important aspect of human immune response and is
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> effective for the (sometimes fatal)
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> vascular/cardiac/respiratory damage caused by a combination
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> of the virus and cysteine response. It does not promote
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> production of respiratory/mucosa antibodies (found in
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> 'natural' immunity) so you are exactly right. The mRNA shot
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> will likely keep you from dying but will not stop you from
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> contracting or spreading the CCP Wuhan product.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> "Natural immunity" isn't faring that well.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> https://news.yale.edu/2021/10/01/unvaccinated-reinfection-sars-cov-2-likely-study-finds
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Natural immunity and a vaccine appear to be the ticket, although one
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> would prefer to skip being sick to start with. No vaccine is 100% and
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> many are not effective forever. Flu vaccines are notoriously
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> ineffective, but we still take them, and they prevent some infections.
>> >> >> >> >>>>> Who is this "we"? Patients in the US are able to choose whether to get
>> >> >> >> >>>>> a flu shot or not. They should be able to make a choice with respect to
>> >> >> >> >>>>> covid as well. For healthy young people the covid vaccine is almost
>> >> >> >> >>>>> certainly more dangerous, (albeit fairly safe), than infection with covid.
>> >> >> >> >>>> Almost certainly? CDC says that vaccines are safer for young people
>> >> >> >> >>>> than the disease, but maybe they are lying to us because they want
>> >> >> >> >>>> to kill young people. Personally, I think we should be out to kill
>> >> >> >> >>>> the old people to reduce the pressure on the SS/Medicare trusts.
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> I read Radey's comments too and wondered. I've seen lots of stories
>> >> >> >> >>> about kids catching Covid and some of them dying. Especially in
>> >> >> >> >>> Mississippi and other anti vaccine Republican states that outlaw
>> >> >> >> >>> masks. But I guess they are only kids so what, who cares. They can't
>> >> >> >> >>> vote and give me money so...
>> >> >> >> >> If you have any numbers on kids, say below 18, dying *of* covid, that
>> >> >> >> >> might be informative. Stories, in this day and age, are increasingly
>> >> >> >> >> just that.
>> >> >> >> > The deaths of EVERYONE under 25 is perfectly normal
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> I didn't die at 25. Some close calls, but no.
>> >> >> >> (yes, I have been called abnormal)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I remember crawling forward from the tail gunners position to the front
>> cabin after a bomb run. I didn't know that in case we had shrapnel
>> from the anti-aircraft that might have penetrated a bomb, they left
>> the bomb doors open to air out the bays and dry the HE which was
>> liquid. The shelf you had to crawl on was maybe 6" wide and the sides
>> of the aircraft were circular so that it would tip you out and over he
>> bomb bays and to move forward you would stick a finger in forward to
>> where a lateral rib crossed over a for and aft rib. This left a space
>> about the size of a finger and a half where you could maintain your
>> balance.
>> >> >> Tommy, by your own admission you are a liar. You have told us all
>> >> >> about how you were a helper for a more skilled worker and how you and
>> >> >> your mate fixed all those things that the "stars" couldn't fix and
>> >> >> now, suddenly you have become a tail gunner.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> As I have said, your stores might go over big with the other drunks
>> >> >> down at the VFW but for somebody that actually was there you come
>> >> >> across as just a silly fool, trying to tell everyone what a hero you
>> >> >> were.
>> >> >
>> >> >For someone that is a real nobody - the crew chief on a bomber that never existed -
>> you sure know a lot. You must have learned that entirely by intuition
>> and not because you had superior enlisted men to teach you. It must
>> have been wonderful to go from E1 to E7 overnight without the help of
>> anyone else at any time.
>> >> Hardly Tommy, it took me some years to "go from E1 to E7" but still I
>> >> don't have to tell lies like you. A 19 year old gunner on a B-52, from
>> >> your other posts been in the Air Force a whole year all ready.
>> >>
>> >> And the bombs leaking so we have to dry them out?
>> >>
>> >> I will say one thing Tommy, you do have a vivid imagination.
>> >
>> >What the hell are you talking about? What 19 year old tail gunner? You certainly are inventive.
>> >
>> >Explain why the B52 would leave the bomb bay doors open until we climbed up to 20,000 ft. You're inventive and as a crew chief of bomber certainly you know about bombs.
>> Well Tommy this is a new one. Leaving the bomb doors open until the
>> B-52 gets to 20,000 ft. And this is to dry the bombs out? Or have you
>> got some other wild notion this morning?
>>
>> And it is rather strange that I was "around" B-52's for 10 years or
>> more and have seen quite a number take off during that period... and
>> not a single one had the bomb doors open on take off. In fact I've
>> never seen a B-52 taxiing on the ground with the bomb doors open.
>>
>> And, how strange that the conventional bombs we used during the Korean
>> escapade didn't require drying out, isn't it. Do you think that the
>> Air Force developed some special sort of new leaky bombs just so Tommy
>> could watch them dry?
>>
>> Tom, telling a small fib, or exaggeration, might be considered normal
>> but rambling on and on about things that you, so obviously, know
>> nothing at all, is ludicrous.
>
>John, keep showing everyone here that you think that bombs are made out of gunpowder,

On Sat, 09 Oct 2021 12:40:09 -0700, Tom Kunich scribed:

> On Friday, October 8, 2021 at 6:09:32 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:

>> Biden is getting the country back on track though it will take at least
>> a decade to undo the damage Trump wrought.
> Would you like to put money on the outcome of the next two elections?

Planning on being around that long?
Can you afford to pay up when you loose?
Nope, I wont except all those crappy bikes you have either.

On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 5:29:48 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 12:38:49 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, October 8, 2021 at 5:15:27 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 08:24:24 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 3:28:00 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 08:02:58 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 5:52:34 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> >> >> On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 15:16:05 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> >> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 1:54:31 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On 10/6/2021 3:01 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 11:28:40 AM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>> On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 4:39:57 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>>> On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 1:27:18 PM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> jbeattie <jbeat...@msn.com> writes:
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 8:44:06 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> On 10/5/2021 10:15 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:28:05 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Now that companies are firing employees that refuse to get
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> vaccinated,
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> and universities are expelling students that refuse to get
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> vaccinated
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> (other than those that have a valid medical reason for
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> refusing), the
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> percentages will start to rise in the U.S..
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Maybe, possibly, if we are really lucky. BUT, even if the vaccination
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> rises due to the threats, it will be a miniscule minimal amount. 0.1%
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> each month or so. As you state we are at 56.3% fully vaccinated now.
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> If my 0.1% is accurate, it will take 15 years 7 months to reach that
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> mythical herd immunity percentage of 75%. 1 million, 2 million, 3
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> million more dead people? From a disease that is easily prevented
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> with an available vaccine. Is that winning?
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Except it's not prevented by the available vaccine. CDC agrees that
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> vaccinated people can and do become infected and do spread
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> the disease.
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> The "mythical" herd immunity vaccination threshold is indeed mythical,
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> there is no reason to think that covid would vanish even at 100%
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> vaccination.
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Successful human vaccines, such as smallpox, polio, measles, mumps,
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> pertussis, &c produce "sterilizing immunity". The vaccinated do not
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> become infected. The available covid vaccines do not work this way and
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> hence are not comparable. Leaky vaccines like those for covid
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> allow the
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> virus to continue to evolve among the vaccinated, which has given rise
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> to at least one remarkably lethal viral disease in chickens. Do a
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> search for "Marek's disease".
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> +1
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Which is why I have avoided calling the Pfizer/Moderna mRNA
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> products 'vaccine'. J&J is an actual vaccine of attenuated
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> virus.
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> The mRNA jab promotes production of a blood-borne antibody.
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> An antibody, one of the body's defenses, but only one..
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> This is an important aspect of human immune response and is
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> effective for the (sometimes fatal)
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> vascular/cardiac/respiratory damage caused by a combination
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> of the virus and cysteine response. It does not promote
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> production of respiratory/mucosa antibodies (found in
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> 'natural' immunity) so you are exactly right. The mRNA shot
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> will likely keep you from dying but will not stop you from
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> contracting or spreading the CCP Wuhan product.
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> "Natural immunity" isn't faring that well.
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> https://news.yale.edu/2021/10/01/unvaccinated-reinfection-sars-cov-2-likely-study-finds
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Natural immunity and a vaccine appear to be the ticket, although one
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> would prefer to skip being sick to start with. No vaccine is 100% and
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> many are not effective forever. Flu vaccines are notoriously
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> ineffective, but we still take them, and they prevent some infections.
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> Who is this "we"? Patients in the US are able to choose whether to get
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> a flu shot or not. They should be able to make a choice with respect to
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> covid as well. For healthy young people the covid vaccine is almost
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> certainly more dangerous, (albeit fairly safe), than infection with covid.
> >> >> >> >> >>>> Almost certainly? CDC says that vaccines are safer for young people
> >> >> >> >> >>>> than the disease, but maybe they are lying to us because they want
> >> >> >> >> >>>> to kill young people. Personally, I think we should be out to kill
> >> >> >> >> >>>> the old people to reduce the pressure on the SS/Medicare trusts.
> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >>> I read Radey's comments too and wondered. I've seen lots of stories
> >> >> >> >> >>> about kids catching Covid and some of them dying. Especially in
> >> >> >> >> >>> Mississippi and other anti vaccine Republican states that outlaw
> >> >> >> >> >>> masks. But I guess they are only kids so what, who cares. They can't
> >> >> >> >> >>> vote and give me money so...
> >> >> >> >> >> If you have any numbers on kids, say below 18, dying *of* covid, that
> >> >> >> >> >> might be informative. Stories, in this day and age, are increasingly
> >> >> >> >> >> just that.
> >> >> >> >> > The deaths of EVERYONE under 25 is perfectly normal
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> I didn't die at 25. Some close calls, but no.
> >> >> >> >> (yes, I have been called abnormal)
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >I remember crawling forward from the tail gunners position to the front
> >> cabin after a bomb run. I didn't know that in case we had shrapnel
> >> from the anti-aircraft that might have penetrated a bomb, they left
> >> the bomb doors open to air out the bays and dry the HE which was
> >> liquid. The shelf you had to crawl on was maybe 6" wide and the sides
> >> of the aircraft were circular so that it would tip you out and over he
> >> bomb bays and to move forward you would stick a finger in forward to
> >> where a lateral rib crossed over a for and aft rib. This left a space
> >> about the size of a finger and a half where you could maintain your
> >> balance.
> >> >> >> Tommy, by your own admission you are a liar. You have told us all
> >> >> >> about how you were a helper for a more skilled worker and how you and
> >> >> >> your mate fixed all those things that the "stars" couldn't fix and
> >> >> >> now, suddenly you have become a tail gunner.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> As I have said, your stores might go over big with the other drunks
> >> >> >> down at the VFW but for somebody that actually was there you come
> >> >> >> across as just a silly fool, trying to tell everyone what a hero you
> >> >> >> were.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >For someone that is a real nobody - the crew chief on a bomber that never existed -
> >> you sure know a lot. You must have learned that entirely by intuition
> >> and not because you had superior enlisted men to teach you. It must
> >> have been wonderful to go from E1 to E7 overnight without the help of
> >> anyone else at any time.
> >> >> Hardly Tommy, it took me some years to "go from E1 to E7" but still I
> >> >> don't have to tell lies like you. A 19 year old gunner on a B-52, from
> >> >> your other posts been in the Air Force a whole year all ready.
> >> >>
> >> >> And the bombs leaking so we have to dry them out?
> >> >>
> >> >> I will say one thing Tommy, you do have a vivid imagination.
> >> >
> >> >What the hell are you talking about? What 19 year old tail gunner? You certainly are inventive.
> >> >
> >> >Explain why the B52 would leave the bomb bay doors open until we climbed up to 20,000 ft. You're inventive and as a crew chief of bomber certainly you know about bombs.
> >> Well Tommy this is a new one. Leaving the bomb doors open until the
> >> B-52 gets to 20,000 ft. And this is to dry the bombs out? Or have you
> >> got some other wild notion this morning?
> >>
> >> And it is rather strange that I was "around" B-52's for 10 years or
> >> more and have seen quite a number take off during that period... and
> >> not a single one had the bomb doors open on take off. In fact I've
> >> never seen a B-52 taxiing on the ground with the bomb doors open.
> >>
> >> And, how strange that the conventional bombs we used during the Korean
> >> escapade didn't require drying out, isn't it. Do you think that the
> >> Air Force developed some special sort of new leaky bombs just so Tommy
> >> could watch them dry?
> >>
> >> Tom, telling a small fib, or exaggeration, might be considered normal
> >> but rambling on and on about things that you, so obviously, know
> >> nothing at all, is ludicrous.
> >
> >John, keep showing everyone here that you think that bombs are made out of gunpowder,
> No, not gun powder. and who should know better then I? After all I've
> cut enough of them up and made bells out of them.

On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 9:23:10 PM UTC-7, News 2021 wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Oct 2021 12:40:09 -0700, Tom Kunich scribed:
> > On Friday, October 8, 2021 at 6:09:32 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
>
> >> Biden is getting the country back on track though it will take at least
> >> a decade to undo the damage Trump wrought.
> > Would you like to put money on the outcome of the next two elections?
> Planning on being around that long?
> Can you afford to pay up when you loose?
> Nope, I wont except all those crappy bikes you have either.
Peter, I will be around LONG after you're gone. I can sense the cancer eating you now.

On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 07:31:28 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 5:29:48 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 12:38:49 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Friday, October 8, 2021 at 5:15:27 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 08:24:24 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 3:28:00 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 08:02:58 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 5:52:34 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 15:16:05 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> >> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 1:54:31 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On 10/6/2021 3:01 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 11:28:40 AM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 4:39:57 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 1:27:18 PM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>> jbeattie <jbeat...@msn.com> writes:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 8:44:06 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> On 10/5/2021 10:15 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:28:05 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Now that companies are firing employees that refuse to get
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> vaccinated,
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> and universities are expelling students that refuse to get
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> vaccinated
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> (other than those that have a valid medical reason for
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> refusing), the
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> percentages will start to rise in the U.S..
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Maybe, possibly, if we are really lucky. BUT, even if the vaccination
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> rises due to the threats, it will be a miniscule minimal amount. 0.1%
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> each month or so. As you state we are at 56.3% fully vaccinated now.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> If my 0.1% is accurate, it will take 15 years 7 months to reach that
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> mythical herd immunity percentage of 75%. 1 million, 2 million, 3
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> million more dead people? From a disease that is easily prevented
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> with an available vaccine. Is that winning?
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Except it's not prevented by the available vaccine. CDC agrees that
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> vaccinated people can and do become infected and do spread
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> the disease.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> The "mythical" herd immunity vaccination threshold is indeed mythical,
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> there is no reason to think that covid would vanish even at 100%
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> vaccination.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Successful human vaccines, such as smallpox, polio, measles, mumps,
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> pertussis, &c produce "sterilizing immunity". The vaccinated do not
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> become infected. The available covid vaccines do not work this way and
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> hence are not comparable. Leaky vaccines like those for covid
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> allow the
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> virus to continue to evolve among the vaccinated, which has given rise
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> to at least one remarkably lethal viral disease in chickens. Do a
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> search for "Marek's disease".
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> +1
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Which is why I have avoided calling the Pfizer/Moderna mRNA
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> products 'vaccine'. J&J is an actual vaccine of attenuated
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> virus.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> The mRNA jab promotes production of a blood-borne antibody.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> An antibody, one of the body's defenses, but only one.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> This is an important aspect of human immune response and is
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> effective for the (sometimes fatal)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> vascular/cardiac/respiratory damage caused by a combination
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> of the virus and cysteine response. It does not promote
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> production of respiratory/mucosa antibodies (found in
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> 'natural' immunity) so you are exactly right. The mRNA shot
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> will likely keep you from dying but will not stop you from
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> contracting or spreading the CCP Wuhan product.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> "Natural immunity" isn't faring that well.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> https://news.yale.edu/2021/10/01/unvaccinated-reinfection-sars-cov-2-likely-study-finds
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Natural immunity and a vaccine appear to be the ticket, although one
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> would prefer to skip being sick to start with. No vaccine is 100% and
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> many are not effective forever. Flu vaccines are notoriously
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> ineffective, but we still take them, and they prevent some infections.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>> Who is this "we"? Patients in the US are able to choose whether to get
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>> a flu shot or not. They should be able to make a choice with respect to
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>> covid as well. For healthy young people the covid vaccine is almost
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>> certainly more dangerous, (albeit fairly safe), than infection with covid.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> Almost certainly? CDC says that vaccines are safer for young people
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> than the disease, but maybe they are lying to us because they want
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> to kill young people. Personally, I think we should be out to kill
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> the old people to reduce the pressure on the SS/Medicare trusts.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> I read Radey's comments too and wondered. I've seen lots of stories
>> >> >> >> >> >>> about kids catching Covid and some of them dying. Especially in
>> >> >> >> >> >>> Mississippi and other anti vaccine Republican states that outlaw
>> >> >> >> >> >>> masks. But I guess they are only kids so what, who cares. They can't
>> >> >> >> >> >>> vote and give me money so...
>> >> >> >> >> >> If you have any numbers on kids, say below 18, dying *of* covid, that
>> >> >> >> >> >> might be informative. Stories, in this day and age, are increasingly
>> >> >> >> >> >> just that.
>> >> >> >> >> > The deaths of EVERYONE under 25 is perfectly normal
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> I didn't die at 25. Some close calls, but no.
>> >> >> >> >> (yes, I have been called abnormal)
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >I remember crawling forward from the tail gunners position to the front
>> >> cabin after a bomb run. I didn't know that in case we had shrapnel
>> >> from the anti-aircraft that might have penetrated a bomb, they left
>> >> the bomb doors open to air out the bays and dry the HE which was
>> >> liquid. The shelf you had to crawl on was maybe 6" wide and the sides
>> >> of the aircraft were circular so that it would tip you out and over he
>> >> bomb bays and to move forward you would stick a finger in forward to
>> >> where a lateral rib crossed over a for and aft rib. This left a space
>> >> about the size of a finger and a half where you could maintain your
>> >> balance.
>> >> >> >> Tommy, by your own admission you are a liar. You have told us all
>> >> >> >> about how you were a helper for a more skilled worker and how you and
>> >> >> >> your mate fixed all those things that the "stars" couldn't fix and
>> >> >> >> now, suddenly you have become a tail gunner.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> As I have said, your stores might go over big with the other drunks
>> >> >> >> down at the VFW but for somebody that actually was there you come
>> >> >> >> across as just a silly fool, trying to tell everyone what a hero you
>> >> >> >> were.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >For someone that is a real nobody - the crew chief on a bomber that never existed -
>> >> you sure know a lot. You must have learned that entirely by intuition
>> >> and not because you had superior enlisted men to teach you. It must
>> >> have been wonderful to go from E1 to E7 overnight without the help of
>> >> anyone else at any time.
>> >> >> Hardly Tommy, it took me some years to "go from E1 to E7" but still I
>> >> >> don't have to tell lies like you. A 19 year old gunner on a B-52, from
>> >> >> your other posts been in the Air Force a whole year all ready.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> And the bombs leaking so we have to dry them out?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I will say one thing Tommy, you do have a vivid imagination.
>> >> >
>> >> >What the hell are you talking about? What 19 year old tail gunner? You certainly are inventive.
>> >> >
>> >> >Explain why the B52 would leave the bomb bay doors open until we climbed up to 20,000 ft. You're inventive and as a crew chief of bomber certainly you know about bombs.
>> >> Well Tommy this is a new one. Leaving the bomb doors open until the
>> >> B-52 gets to 20,000 ft. And this is to dry the bombs out? Or have you
>> >> got some other wild notion this morning?
>> >>
>> >> And it is rather strange that I was "around" B-52's for 10 years or
>> >> more and have seen quite a number take off during that period... and
>> >> not a single one had the bomb doors open on take off. In fact I've
>> >> never seen a B-52 taxiing on the ground with the bomb doors open.
>> >>
>> >> And, how strange that the conventional bombs we used during the Korean
>> >> escapade didn't require drying out, isn't it. Do you think that the
>> >> Air Force developed some special sort of new leaky bombs just so Tommy
>> >> could watch them dry?
>> >>
>> >> Tom, telling a small fib, or exaggeration, might be considered normal
>> >> but rambling on and on about things that you, so obviously, know
>> >> nothing at all, is ludicrous.
>> >
>> >John, keep showing everyone here that you think that bombs are made out of gunpowder,
>> No, not gun powder. and who should know better then I? After all I've
>> cut enough of them up and made bells out of them.
>
>So you made a bell out of something that held HE in it? Aside from the fact that you're a liar - the shell of a bomb isn't heavy steel from which a bell would ring - residue from HE would blow your brains out if you started grinding on it.
>
>Johnny, I will ask you again - what do you think that HE is? I would suggest that if you made bells out of something it was artillery shells which are fragmentation devices and hence very heavy steel. Bombs, at least those we used were not. They were explosive devices made to produce a large pressure wave to destroy the targets which in our case were missile sites.

On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 07:32:06 -0700, Tom Kunich scribed:

> On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 9:23:10 PM UTC-7, News 2021 wrote:
>> On Sat, 09 Oct 2021 12:40:09 -0700, Tom Kunich scribed:
>> > On Friday, October 8, 2021 at 6:09:32 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
>>
>> >> Biden is getting the country back on track though it will take at
>> >> least a decade to undo the damage Trump wrought.
>> > Would you like to put money on the outcome of the next two elections?
>> Planning on being around that long?
>> Can you afford to pay up when you loose?
>> Nope, I wont except all those crappy bikes you have either.
> Peter, I will be around LONG after you're gone. I can sense the cancer
> eating you now.

Lol, I don't know of any Peter posting on this group other than in yours
and AJs dementia.

I see you failed to answer the question, as always.

On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 8:38:54 PM UTC-7, News 2021 wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 07:32:06 -0700, Tom Kunich scribed:
> > On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 9:23:10 PM UTC-7, News 2021 wrote:
> >> On Sat, 09 Oct 2021 12:40:09 -0700, Tom Kunich scribed:
> >> > On Friday, October 8, 2021 at 6:09:32 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Biden is getting the country back on track though it will take at
> >> >> least a decade to undo the damage Trump wrought.
> >> > Would you like to put money on the outcome of the next two elections?
> >> Planning on being around that long?
> >> Can you afford to pay up when you loose?
> >> Nope, I wont except all those crappy bikes you have either.
> > Peter, I will be around LONG after you're gone. I can sense the cancer
> > eating you now.
> Lol, I don't know of any Peter posting on this group other than in yours
> and AJs dementia.
>
> I see you failed to answer the question, as always.
If you aren't Peter you're still a peter.

On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 09:49:18 -0700, Tom Kunich scribed:

> On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 8:38:54 PM UTC-7, News 2021 wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 07:32:06 -0700, Tom Kunich scribed:
>> > On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 9:23:10 PM UTC-7, News 2021 wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 09 Oct 2021 12:40:09 -0700, Tom Kunich scribed:
>> >> > On Friday, October 8, 2021 at 6:09:32 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> Biden is getting the country back on track though it will take at
>> >> >> least a decade to undo the damage Trump wrought.
>> >> > Would you like to put money on the outcome of the next two
>> >> > elections?
>> >> Planning on being around that long?
>> >> Can you afford to pay up when you loose?
>> >> Nope, I wont except all those crappy bikes you have either.
>> > Peter, I will be around LONG after you're gone. I can sense the
>> > cancer eating you now.
>> Lol, I don't know of any Peter posting on this group other than in
>> yours and AJs dementia.
>>
>> I see you failed to answer the question, as always.
> If you aren't Peter you're still a peter.

Wabbit! Try better.

On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 12:43:47 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 10:32:21 AM UTC-7, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 10:10:16 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 9:00:10 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > > Franki-Boy Krygowski wants to know:
> > > > > How many Fund Raising Dinners are held in ghettos?
> > > > >
> > > > Apparently no has yet told Franki-boy that the ghetto has become a fashionable address, and is likely to grow more fashionable as black people gain immunity for actions that whites never had. White people will move into the ghetto to show how woke they are, and in the hope that some of that immunity for burning and looting will rub off on them. But you're far too square, and too apt to lecture, to fit in, Franki-boy. -- AJ
> > > Facebook offices are directly up the street from East Palo Alto - once the code word for ghetto. They are moving in by the scores and land values are now making ghetto-ites famously rich. They are making their fortunes and moving into condos in the better parts of town. Meanwhile those old falling down homes are going for millions.
> > The entire world has turned against Jay and he simply doesn't know what to do. It is likely that his vaccination is going to kill him and he doesn't want to believe it.
> >
> > He argued along with his besty John that Ivermectin is illegal in India when that is a lie. But lies never phased Jay before. He will cite law making lies legal.
> >
> > https://www.reddit.com/r/CabalCrusher/comments/prhvd1/vaccine_no_more_alternatives_coming/
> Medication time, Tom. In fact, you should not post until you are in therapeutic range, which seems to occur sometime between 11:58 and 12.03 PST. It's a tight window that closes quickly. BTW, I'm representing Anthony Fauci in his defamation suit against you for your unfounded claims of insider trading. We're going to take your house and all your odd-ball last-century Ti bikes with non-functioning Campy groups. Dr. Fauci will be a thousandaire!
>

What is he prescribed

Maybe he just needs an nsaid

mk5000

Strip down, strip down, elephants and flowers
Is everybody ready? Here we go.
Love the one who is love, (love) the one who gives us the power, (power)
The one who made everything, (what?) elephants and flowers (what will he do?)--"Elephants And Flowers" lyrics
Prince

On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 12:48:23 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 9/21/2021 1:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 8:09:43 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes, and I know a very intelligent PhD biologist who has had to struggle
> >> with part time work for years. A young man in our neighborhood - eagle
> >> scout, valedictorian, bachelor's & masters degrees - can find work only
> >> as a stockboy. But I also have a dropout friend poor enough to ride his
> >> bike to soup giveaways. Anecdotes have limited value.
> >>
> >> Do you really think a voter living in a ghetto has as much influence as
> >> a voter living in a mansion? Why do wealthy people organize and attend
> >> Fund Raising Dinners? How many Fund Raising Dinners are held in ghettos?
> >
> > B not think it since it a predominantly red state as

ecause you live in a hell hole doesn't mean the rest of the world is that way.
> ???
> live in a modest house with a large yard in an extremely pleasant
> suburb. T

I live in a small apartment in a very small city

There seems to be some homicide type crime in the headlines tho you would never guess it because it is a very red state so you would think it would be safer, in spite of which I have a lovely balcony

When i woke up this morning i panicked because i realized that sometimes the birds come thru the rails to get to seeds and worried i blocked them with a planter I put out

Then i remembered birds have wings

There is no really sunnier spot other than the edge of the porch

But foolproof does not apply to me so I doubt my plants will make it

mk5000

genetic for terror
Before I even fix my lips to speak, you know what I'll say
This is freaked, with a nuts word-play
I walked onto the face of the earth

source: https://www.lyricsondemand.com/j//jamallyrics/geneticforterrorlyrics.html

On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 7:39:35 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> On 9/22/2021 6:11 PM, John B. wrote:
> > On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 11:15:27 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> > <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 9/21/2021 11:21 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 21 Sep 2021 20:11:59 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> As to the poor voters: Yes, a politician has to fool enough of them into
> >>>> voting for him. ("Only I can fix it!" and "Those jobs are all coming
> >>>> back... Don't sell your house!")
> >>>> https://www.wkbn.com/news/trump-speaks-on-jobs-tells-valley-residents-dont-sell-your-house/
> >>>>
> >>>> But do you seriously think even 1000 poor voters have as much influence
> >>>> as one wealthy guy at a private fund raising dinner? Seriously?
> >>>
> >>> I see what you are trying to do but yes, all them uneducated.
> >>> unemployed, dumbass, voters do have a far greater influence then a
> >>> rich chap at a private fund raising.
> >>>
> >>> Certainly a whole pack of voters that can determine whether you get
> >>> the job or not rather then one rich bloke who will be quite happy to
> >>> be named Ambassador to Lower Slobovia.
> >>
> >> I believe this is the way it works:
> >>
> >> Say a politician has two conflicting opportunities. He can attend a meet
> >> & greet session at (say) a church in a low income neighborhood; or he
> >> can attend a fund raising dinner hosted by a wealthy friend.
> >>
> >> Low income neighborhoods tend to have small parishes. But let's pretend
> >> he'd get to talk to 1000 people. He'd think "Maybe I can get 700 to vote
> >> for me."
> >>
> >> If he goes to the fund raiser, he'd probably clear thousands of dollars.
> >> Those dollars could help pay for television spots in which he portrays
> >> his rivals as spawn of the devil. Those ads would be seen my tens of
> >> thousands. They'd have far more impact.
> >>
> >> Given the exclusive choice, any smart politician would talk to the rich
> >> folks. And in doing so, he'd find out what they wanted ("More tax
> >> breaks, dammit!") and promise to do whatever he can.
> >
> > You seem intent on furthering my arguments. The "television spots" you
> > mention? Are these intended to influence a few rich folks? Or the
> > "unwashed multitudes".
> >
> > If your argument is correct then all a politician has to do is simply
> > attend a few high dollar suppers and be assured of being elected.
> > Goodness, Gracious, he wouldn't have to run frantically all around the
> > country making speeches, shaking hands and kissing babies.
> >
> Ms Clinton spent twice as much as Mr Trump in 2016.
>
> Not the only example. Money does help but is sometimes not
> dispositive.
> --

Or like Marjorie Taylor Green who outspent her opponent because she ran unopposed
https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1461776749809868805?s=20
Good speech yesterday, Marj.

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 8:45:37 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 07:28:01 -0700, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
> wrote:
> >On 10/3/2021 9:08 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 3:07:08 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> Tell me something Scharf - we're being told that over 80% of the population has been vaccinated.
> >>
> >> Why do you LIE so much Tommy? Have your masters told you they will kick you out of the Trump rump licking club if you don't lie constantly?
> >>
> >> https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker
> >> Vermont has the highest vaccination rate of any state at 69.6%.
> >>
> >> https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-population-vaccinated-march-15.html
> >>
> >> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-19-vaccine-doses.html
> >> 65% of the whole USA has received at least one dose of the vaccine. 56% of the whole USA is fully vaccinated.
> >>
> >> https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-total-admin-rate-total
> >> CDC says 64.8% of whole USA has received at least one dose. 75.8% of everyone above age 12.
> >>
> >> I realize you pulled this "over 80% of the population has been vaccinated" out of your butthole. But tell us how deep you had to reach?
> >
> >It's unclear why he chooses to lie. It could be a lack of education and
> >lack of critical thinking skills combined with only reading news from
> >fake news sites like Fox, Newsmax, OAN, etc.. It's not like anyone here,
> >that hasn't filtered him out, actually believes anything he says.
> >
> >As to vaccination rates, some countries are at 80%, but not the U.S..
> >The U.S. was at 56.3% on October 2nd. Puerto Rico is at 70.7%, Vermont
> >is at 69.6%. That is fully vaccinated, not just one dose of a two dose
> >vaccine. I was in Vermont last week and not only is the vaccination rate
> >high, mask-wearing is nearly ubiquitous, even in places where there are
> >signs that fully vaccinated individuals don't have to wear masks.
> >
> >I think that all U.S. airlines now require masks on-board, and they are
> >very strict. I was on a flight last Thursday where they made an
> >announcement, mid-flight, that masks could only be removed when actively
> >eating or drinking, just having food or a beverage on your tray was not
> >sufficient.
> >
> >Now that companies are firing employees that refuse to get vaccinated,
> >and universities are expelling students that refuse to get vaccinated
> >(other than those that have a valid medical reason for refusing), the
> >percentages will start to rise in the U.S.. It's rather sad that it
> >takes threats of being fired to stop people from being stupid.
> Over here masks are almost 100%. I walk for exercise in the mornings
> and I was admonished by a neighbor the other day for not wearing a
> mask although I'm never within 10 feet of anyone.

My very red state does not have a mask mandate yet there is near one hundred percent voluntary use

I walk sometimes in the morning too
Today before I went out
There was a battle royale under my window this morning about six
Not sure what noises woke me up or who was battling but the skunk for sure was involved because the very heavy smell went straight into my room, and lingered til about nine Am

No carcasses out there so no one won or lost except me
Wish I had gone to bed with a mask

mk5000

Kami ga sora ni moeagaru
Karada ga honoo no you yo
Ya da wa nande kou naru no
Honto ni mou okotchau kara--Ai no Senshi, Yooko Ishida

On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 10:24:04 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 8:15:44 AM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
> > "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> > > On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:28:05 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Now that companies are firing employees that refuse to get vaccinated,
> > >> and universities are expelling students that refuse to get vaccinated
> > >> (other than those that have a valid medical reason for refusing), the
> > >> percentages will start to rise in the U.S..
> > >
> > > Maybe, possibly, if we are really lucky. BUT, even if the vaccination
> > > rises due to the threats, it will be a miniscule minimal amount. 0.1%
> > > each month or so. As you state we are at 56.3% fully vaccinated now.
> > > If my 0.1% is accurate, it will take 15 years 7 months to reach that
> > > mythical herd immunity percentage of 75%. 1 million, 2 million, 3
> > > million more dead people? From a disease that is easily prevented
> > > with an available vaccine. Is that winning?
> > Except it's not prevented by the available vaccine. CDC agrees that
> > vaccinated people can and do become infected and do spread the disease.
> > The "mythical" herd immunity vaccination threshold is indeed mythical,
> > there is no reason to think that covid would vanish even at 100%
> > vaccination.
> >
> > Successful human vaccines, such as smallpox, polio, measles, mumps,
> > pertussis, &c produce "sterilizing immunity". The vaccinated do not
> > become infected. The available covid vaccines do not work this way and
> > hence are not comparable. Leaky vaccines like those for covid allow the
> > virus to continue to evolve among the vaccinated, which has given rise
> > to at least one remarkably lethal viral disease in chickens. Do a
> > search for "Marek's disease".
> Russell wants to force vaccine poisons upon children unable to protect themselves from people like Biden. The IMMEDIATE effects of the vaccine is to paralyze the immune system. This is a known and tested side effect. What is unknown is the length of time this lasts or if it grows over time. I have watched people in perfect health have serious life-threatening illnesses after they were vaccinated. And these same people insist that everyone else get vaccinated. Talk about whackos.

This reminds me of all the signs in the subway that said no spitting

Men in the 19sixties used to spit all the time

Smoking same thing

You will get used to it just like the smokers and spitters did

mk5000

To us who had been so long traveling through half-cleared forests, and sojourning among an “I’m-as-good-as-you” population, it seemed, perhaps, more beautiful, more splendid, and more refined than it might have done, had we arrived there directly from London; but making every allowance for this, I must still declare that I think New York one of the finest cities I ever saw, and as much superior to every other in the Union, (Philadelphia not excepted,) as London to Liverpool, or Paris to Rouen."
— Mark Kurlansky (The Big Oyster: History on the Half Shell)

On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 7:20:37 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 10/5/2021 4:29 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
> > Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> writes:
> >
> >> On 10/5/2021 11:15 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Successful human vaccines, such as smallpox, polio, measles, mumps,
> >>> pertussis, &c produce "sterilizing immunity". The vaccinated do not
> >>> become infected. The available covid vaccines do not work this way and
> >>> hence are not comparable.
> >>
> >> Sorry to disagree with you, but I have a close and beloved family
> >> member who nearly died from a malady against which he was vaccinated.
> >>
> >> Also, a few years ago I had an extremely scary bronchial problem. My
> >> primary care physician was afraid I had whooping cough, even though we
> >> both knew I had been vaccinated against it. He said post-vaccination
> >> whooping cough is uncommon, but a definite possibility. (Fortunately,
> >> that was not my problem.)
> >>
> >> Then there are the many cases of post-vaccination shingles, and many
> >> other diseases. These things happen. Vaccines are not as reliable as
> >> light switches.
> >
> > I agree that no vaccine is 100% effective. However the covid vaccines
> > are remarkably bad compared to other widely prescribed, let alone
> > mandated, vaccines.
> So instead, the strategy should have been... what? We've heard here that
> it certainly shouldn't include masks or any restrictions affecting any
> business.
>
> Perhaps vitamin D?
>
>
Masks are a good start

Keeps flu and colds away

No shoes no shirt rule is also entirely for hygiene/disease spread prevention.
Nobody wants your foot fungus on their bag of Doritos.

Literally no difference.

mk5000

"Willow leaves swayed before Hunter’s eyes, but his gaze held fast, riveted on the slender girl as she tried to break his lance. With each swing of her arms, he clenched his teeth, growing angrier.--
— Catherine Anderson (Comanche Moon (Comanche, #1))

On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 10:34:23 PM UTC-5, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 4:39:57 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 1:27:18 PM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
> > > jbeattie <jbeat...@msn.com> writes:
> > >
> > > > On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 8:44:06 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > > >> On 10/5/2021 10:15 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
> > > >> > "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:28:05 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Now that companies are firing employees that refuse to get vaccinated,
> > > >> >>> and universities are expelling students that refuse to get vaccinated
> > > >> >>> (other than those that have a valid medical reason for refusing), the
> > > >> >>> percentages will start to rise in the U.S..
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Maybe, possibly, if we are really lucky. BUT, even if the vaccination
> > > >> >> rises due to the threats, it will be a miniscule minimal amount.. 0.1%
> > > >> >> each month or so. As you state we are at 56.3% fully vaccinated now.
> > > >> >> If my 0.1% is accurate, it will take 15 years 7 months to reach that
> > > >> >> mythical herd immunity percentage of 75%. 1 million, 2 million, 3
> > > >> >> million more dead people? From a disease that is easily prevented
> > > >> >> with an available vaccine. Is that winning?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Except it's not prevented by the available vaccine. CDC agrees that
> > > >> > vaccinated people can and do become infected and do spread the disease.
> > > >> > The "mythical" herd immunity vaccination threshold is indeed mythical,
> > > >> > there is no reason to think that covid would vanish even at 100%
> > > >> > vaccination.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Successful human vaccines, such as smallpox, polio, measles, mumps,
> > > >> > pertussis, &c produce "sterilizing immunity". The vaccinated do not
> > > >> > become infected. The available covid vaccines do not work this way and
> > > >> > hence are not comparable. Leaky vaccines like those for covid allow the
> > > >> > virus to continue to evolve among the vaccinated, which has given rise
> > > >> > to at least one remarkably lethal viral disease in chickens. Do a
> > > >> > search for "Marek's disease".
> > > >> >
> > > >> +1
> > > >> Which is why I have avoided calling the Pfizer/Moderna mRNA
> > > >> products 'vaccine'. J&J is an actual vaccine of attenuated
> > > >> virus.
> > > >>
> > > >> The mRNA jab promotes production of a blood-borne antibody.
> > > >> An antibody, one of the body's defenses, but only one.
> > > >> This is an important aspect of human immune response and is
> > > >> effective for the (sometimes fatal)
> > > >> vascular/cardiac/respiratory damage caused by a combination
> > > >> of the virus and cysteine response. It does not promote
> > > >> production of respiratory/mucosa antibodies (found in
> > > >> 'natural' immunity) so you are exactly right. The mRNA shot
> > > >> will likely keep you from dying but will not stop you from
> > > >> contracting or spreading the CCP Wuhan product.
> > > >
> > > > "Natural immunity" isn't faring that well.
> > > > https://news.yale.edu/2021/10/01/unvaccinated-reinfection-sars-cov-2-likely-study-finds
> > > > Natural immunity and a vaccine appear to be the ticket, although one
> > > > would prefer to skip being sick to start with. No vaccine is 100% and
> > > > many are not effective forever. Flu vaccines are notoriously
> > > > ineffective, but we still take them, and they prevent some infections.
> > > Who is this "we"? Patients in the US are able to choose whether to get
> > > a flu shot or not. They should be able to make a choice with respect to
> > > covid as well. For healthy young people the covid vaccine is almost
> > > certainly more dangerous, (albeit fairly safe), than infection with covid.
> > Almost certainly? CDC says that vaccines are safer for young people than the disease, but maybe they are lying to us because they want to kill young people. Personally, I think we should be out to kill the old people to reduce the pressure on the SS/Medicare trusts.
> I read Radey's comments too and wondered. I've seen lots of stories about kids catching Covid and some of them dying. Especially in Mississippi and other anti vaccine Republican states that outlaw masks. But I guess they are only kids so what, who cares. They can't vote and give me money so...

At least a decade ago the smallest impingement on a child's welfare would prompt parents screeching at a very high decibel level

The children the children!!!

I think I remember coverage of these attitudes in an episode of the eminent documentary Southpark

My how times have changed.

Eg when this well regarded gop member posted
https://twitter.com/radiofreetom/status/1263253720105660416?refsrc=email&s=11
"That mook in Costco saying he didn't have to wear a mask inside of someone else's place of business because "I woke up in a free country this morning" is everything you need to know about how some of us only understand "freedom" at the level of a toddler."
https://twitter.com/EnricoFermi18/status/1263262177835782146?s=20
BTW the The numbskull himself filmed it

On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 5:15:07 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>Kitchener invented the concentration camps

I wish you'd stop repeating that Nazi propaganda

"of all the misleading Nazi propaganda, no lie was more successful than the one which suggested that concentration camps were an invention of the British and that the Germans had only developed and expanded a concept which had its roots in the British Empire. The idea that the British invented concentration camps had sedulously peddled during the 1930s by the leaders of the Third Reich. In February 1938, for example, Sir Neville Henderson, British Ambassador to Germany, had a meeting with Hermann Goering. In the course of their encounter in Berlin, Henderson denounced the "loathsome and detestable" taking place in concentration camps such as Dachau and Buchenwald. For answer, Goering went to a bookshelf and took down the volume of a German encyclopedia covering the letter K and showed the ambassador the entry for 'Konzentrationslager', which began "First used by the British in the South African War..."

"Throughout the 1930s, Minister for Propaganda Josef Goebbels had also fostered the notion that concentration camps were a British invention.
Postcards purporting to show the grim conditions in the camps run by the British during the Boer War were circulated. A film, Om Paul, was
subsidised by the German government."

British Concentration Camps: A Brief History from 1900-1975
By Simon Webb.

Example:
1. British used camps in 1899 - 1902 in South Africa

2. Spanish used camps in 1896 in Cuba

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/reconcentrado.htm
"225,000 Cuban civilians died in 18 months 1896-97"

http://amigospais-guaracabuya.org/oagld003.php
"Concentration Camps of Cuba" 1895-1898 re South Africa, Boer, Tainos, Red Cross, Senator Redfield Proctor
Excerpt from Clara Barton 1899, "THE RED CROSS" American Historical Press. Published? by American National Red Cross, Washington, D.C. USA- pages 534-539

Since 1896 is before 1899 the British did not invent concentration camps and anyone who makes this claim is parroting the Nazis.

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 5:04:03 p.m. UTC-4, Andrew Smith wrote:
> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 5:15:07 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> >Kitchener invented the concentration camps
>
> I wish you'd stop repeating that Nazi propaganda
>
> "of all the misleading Nazi propaganda, no lie was more successful than the one which suggested that concentration camps were an invention of the British and that the Germans had only developed and expanded a concept which had its roots in the British Empire. The idea that the British invented concentration camps had sedulously peddled during the 1930s by the leaders of the Third Reich. In February 1938, for example, Sir Neville Henderson, British Ambassador to Germany, had a meeting with Hermann Goering. In the course of their encounter in Berlin, Henderson denounced the "loathsome and detestable" taking place in concentration camps such as Dachau and Buchenwald. For answer, Goering went to a bookshelf and took down the volume of a German encyclopedia covering the letter K and showed the ambassador the entry for 'Konzentrationslager', which began "First used by the British in the South African War..."
>
> "Throughout the 1930s, Minister for Propaganda Josef Goebbels had also fostered the notion that concentration camps were a British invention.
> Postcards purporting to show the grim conditions in the camps run by the British during the Boer War were circulated. A film, Om Paul, was
> subsidised by the German government."
>
> British Concentration Camps: A Brief History from 1900-1975
> By Simon Webb.
>
> Example:
> 1. British used camps in 1899 - 1902 in South Africa
>
> 2. Spanish used camps in 1896 in Cuba
>
> http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/reconcentrado.htm
> "225,000 Cuban civilians died in 18 months 1896-97"
>
> http://amigospais-guaracabuya.org/oagld003.php
> "Concentration Camps of Cuba" 1895-1898 re South Africa, Boer, Tainos, Red Cross, Senator Redfield Proctor
> Excerpt from Clara Barton 1899, "THE RED CROSS" American Historical Press.. Published? by American National Red Cross, Washington, D.C. USA- pages 534-539
>
> Since 1896 is before 1899 the British did not invent concentration camps and anyone who makes this claim is parroting the Nazis.

Many people here have decided that Mr. Jute is a Troll and have killfiled him. However, when someone responds to him (especially after a number of months) their killfile shows the response. Pleas Do NOT Feed the Trolls.

Btw, this thread would be much better posted in a political discussion group and not in a bicycling group.

Cheers

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 3:02:26 PM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 5:04:03 p.m. UTC-4, Andrew Smith wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 5:15:07 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > >Kitchener invented the concentration camps
> >
> > I wish you'd stop repeating that Nazi propaganda
> >
> > "of all the misleading Nazi propaganda, no lie was more successful than the one which suggested that concentration camps were an invention of the British and that the Germans had only developed and expanded a concept which had its roots in the British Empire. The idea that the British invented concentration camps had sedulously peddled during the 1930s by the leaders of the Third Reich. In February 1938, for example, Sir Neville Henderson, British Ambassador to Germany, had a meeting with Hermann Goering. In the course of their encounter in Berlin, Henderson denounced the "loathsome and detestable" taking place in concentration camps such as Dachau and Buchenwald.. For answer, Goering went to a bookshelf and took down the volume of a German encyclopedia covering the letter K and showed the ambassador the entry for 'Konzentrationslager', which began "First used by the British in the South African War..."
> >
> > "Throughout the 1930s, Minister for Propaganda Josef Goebbels had also fostered the notion that concentration camps were a British invention.
> > Postcards purporting to show the grim conditions in the camps run by the British during the Boer War were circulated. A film, Om Paul, was
> > subsidised by the German government."
> >
> > British Concentration Camps: A Brief History from 1900-1975
> > By Simon Webb.
> >
> > Example:
> > 1. British used camps in 1899 - 1902 in South Africa
> >
> > 2. Spanish used camps in 1896 in Cuba
> >
> > http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/reconcentrado.htm
> > "225,000 Cuban civilians died in 18 months 1896-97"
> >
> > http://amigospais-guaracabuya.org/oagld003.php
> > "Concentration Camps of Cuba" 1895-1898 re South Africa, Boer, Tainos, Red Cross, Senator Redfield Proctor
> > Excerpt from Clara Barton 1899, "THE RED CROSS" American Historical Press. Published? by American National Red Cross, Washington, D.C. USA- pages 534-539
> >
> > Since 1896 is before 1899 the British did not invent concentration camps and anyone who makes this claim is parroting the Nazis.
> Many people here have decided that Mr. Jute is a Troll and have killfiled him. However, when someone responds to him (especially after a number of months) their killfile shows the response. Pleas Do NOT Feed the Trolls.
>
> Btw, this thread would be much better posted in a political discussion group and not in a bicycling group.

Are you trying to define Jute as a troll and not Krygowski, John, Russell or Flunky? You are willing to killfile Jute and I but not those moronic asses?

On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 6:35:28 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 9/15/2021 8:29 PM, sms wrote:
> > On 9/15/2021 4:13 PM, John B. wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >> "People who don't read history should not be telling us
> >> anything about
> >> it" ???
> >
> > Undoing the damage done by Trump will take at least a
> > decade. Even if Biden runs for, and wins, a second term, it
> > will be the president after him (if he or she is a Democrat)
> > that will be tasked with contining to repair the damage
> > Trump did to the country.
> Full employment, low inflation, strong military all
> unpopular in Santa Clara I assume. Out here in USA it looks
> very different than from your perspective.

I wonder after the fake climate change, the fake covid-19 scare where more people have been killed by the vaccines that by that fake pandemic, and by the almost complete dissolution of Silicon Valley business under the Democrats and Biden if Scharf has changed his tune? The Democrats communist policies have killed California almost completely and he actually thought that it was Trump? Now it is one thing for Scharf to act stupid as someone attempting to return to public life and another thing to actually believe it. He never struck me as actually stupid, so why would he believe that new records of employment and wage increases without government controls and huge business growth particularly in middle class businesses would be something to be feared?

On 4/27/2022 5:02 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 5:04:03 p.m. UTC-4, Andrew Smith wrote:
>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 5:15:07 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>>> Kitchener invented the concentration camps
>>
>> I wish you'd stop repeating that Nazi propaganda
>>
>> "of all the misleading Nazi propaganda, no lie was more successful than the one which suggested that concentration camps were an invention of the British and that the Germans had only developed and expanded a concept which had its roots in the British Empire. The idea that the British invented concentration camps had sedulously peddled during the 1930s by the leaders of the Third Reich. In February 1938, for example, Sir Neville Henderson, British Ambassador to Germany, had a meeting with Hermann Goering. In the course of their encounter in Berlin, Henderson denounced the "loathsome and detestable" taking place in concentration camps such as Dachau and Buchenwald. For answer, Goering went to a bookshelf and took down the volume of a German encyclopedia covering the letter K and showed the ambassador the entry for 'Konzentrationslager', which began "First used by the British in the South African War..."
>>
>> "Throughout the 1930s, Minister for Propaganda Josef Goebbels had also fostered the notion that concentration camps were a British invention.
>> Postcards purporting to show the grim conditions in the camps run by the British during the Boer War were circulated. A film, Om Paul, was
>> subsidised by the German government."
>>
>> British Concentration Camps: A Brief History from 1900-1975
>> By Simon Webb.
>>
>> Example:
>> 1. British used camps in 1899 - 1902 in South Africa
>>
>> 2. Spanish used camps in 1896 in Cuba
>>
>> http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/reconcentrado.htm
>> "225,000 Cuban civilians died in 18 months 1896-97"
>>
>> http://amigospais-guaracabuya.org/oagld003.php
>> "Concentration Camps of Cuba" 1895-1898 re South Africa, Boer, Tainos, Red Cross, Senator Redfield Proctor
>> Excerpt from Clara Barton 1899, "THE RED CROSS" American Historical Press. Published? by American National Red Cross, Washington, D.C. USA- pages 534-539
>>
>> Since 1896 is before 1899 the British did not invent concentration camps and anyone who makes this claim is parroting the Nazis.
>
> Many people here have decided that Mr. Jute is a Troll and have killfiled him. However, when someone responds to him (especially after a number of months) their killfile shows the response. Pleas Do NOT Feed the Trolls.
>
> Btw, this thread would be much better posted in a political discussion group and not in a bicycling group.
>
> Cheers
>

Or at least segue to the spectacular innovation of bicycle
infantry, used by Britain to good effect in the 2d Boer War.

https://saartillery.wordpress.com/archives/anglo-boer-war/bicycles-in-the-anglo-boer-war-of-1899-1902/

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