On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 7:28:05 AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
> On 10/3/2021 9:08 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 3:07:08 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Tell me something Scharf - we're being told that over 80% of the population has been vaccinated.
> >
> > Why do you LIE so much Tommy? Have your masters told you they will kick you out of the Trump rump licking club if you don't lie constantly?
> >
> > https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker
> > Vermont has the highest vaccination rate of any state at 69.6%.
> >
> > https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-population-vaccinated-march-15.html
> >
> > https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-19-vaccine-doses.html
> > 65% of the whole USA has received at least one dose of the vaccine. 56% of the whole USA is fully vaccinated.
> >
> > https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-total-admin-rate-total
> > CDC says 64.8% of whole USA has received at least one dose. 75.8% of everyone above age 12.
> >
> > I realize you pulled this "over 80% of the population has been vaccinated" out of your butthole. But tell us how deep you had to reach?
> It's unclear why he chooses to lie. It could be a lack of education and
> lack of critical thinking skills combined with only reading news from
> fake news sites like Fox, Newsmax, OAN, etc.. It's not like anyone here,
> that hasn't filtered him out, actually believes anything he says.
>
> As to vaccination rates, some countries are at 80%, but not the U.S..
> The U.S. was at 56.3% on October 2nd. Puerto Rico is at 70.7%, Vermont
> is at 69.6%. That is fully vaccinated, not just one dose of a two dose
> vaccine. I was in Vermont last week and not only is the vaccination rate
> high, mask-wearing is nearly ubiquitous, even in places where there are
> signs that fully vaccinated individuals don't have to wear masks.
>
> I think that all U.S. airlines now require masks on-board, and they are
> very strict. I was on a flight last Thursday where they made an
> announcement, mid-flight, that masks could only be removed when actively
> eating or drinking, just having food or a beverage on your tray was not
> sufficient.
>
> Now that companies are firing employees that refuse to get vaccinated,
> and universities are expelling students that refuse to get vaccinated
> (other than those that have a valid medical reason for refusing), the
> percentages will start to rise in the U.S.. It's rather sad that it
> takes threats of being fired to stop people from being stupid.
Because if you're actively eating or drinking, everyone around you is magically protected when you remove your mask. Scharf - do you always show what a low IQ idiot you are? You could stand in front of people and lie your head off and get them to elect you - ONCE. But after that experience the populace knew what you are.

On 10/4/2021 10:44 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 9:08:52 PM UTC-7, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> I realize you pulled this "over 80% of the population has been vaccinated" out of your butthole. But tell us how deep you had to reach?
> I just repeat what I'm told on ABC and CBS ...

You may be repeating what you "remember" being told on ABC and CBS.

We know not to trust your memory. You should learn the same thing.

Take notes, Tom.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 10:17:21 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 10/4/2021 10:44 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 9:08:52 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>
> >> I realize you pulled this "over 80% of the population has been vaccinated" out of your butthole. But tell us how deep you had to reach?
> > I just repeat what I'm told on ABC and CBS ...
>
> You may be repeating what you "remember" being told on ABC and CBS.
>
> We know not to trust your memory. You should learn the same thing.
>
> Take notes, Tom.

Tell me you low life - why didn't you use the direct quote from the CDC I included? "As of September 26: "According to the CDC, 75% of eligible Americans have received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, but vaccination rates have declined by 37% over the past three weeks."

This is your mental illness, you didn't include the quote from the CDC because it disproved you point.

The only thing you have is opinion and the only thing that you will quote is other opinions that agree with yours. One realizes that no one that graduated from your course in engineering ever became a successful engineer. That's what happens when you have someone more interested in commenting on how great communism is than teaching an engineering class.

On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 07:28:01 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:

>On 10/3/2021 9:08 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 3:07:08 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Tell me something Scharf - we're being told that over 80% of the population has been vaccinated.
>>
>> Why do you LIE so much Tommy? Have your masters told you they will kick you out of the Trump rump licking club if you don't lie constantly?
>>
>> https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker
>> Vermont has the highest vaccination rate of any state at 69.6%.
>>
>> https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-population-vaccinated-march-15.html
>>
>> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-19-vaccine-doses.html
>> 65% of the whole USA has received at least one dose of the vaccine. 56% of the whole USA is fully vaccinated.
>>
>> https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-total-admin-rate-total
>> CDC says 64.8% of whole USA has received at least one dose. 75.8% of everyone above age 12.
>>
>> I realize you pulled this "over 80% of the population has been vaccinated" out of your butthole. But tell us how deep you had to reach?
>
>It's unclear why he chooses to lie. It could be a lack of education and
>lack of critical thinking skills combined with only reading news from
>fake news sites like Fox, Newsmax, OAN, etc.. It's not like anyone here,
>that hasn't filtered him out, actually believes anything he says.
>
>As to vaccination rates, some countries are at 80%, but not the U.S..
>The U.S. was at 56.3% on October 2nd. Puerto Rico is at 70.7%, Vermont
>is at 69.6%. That is fully vaccinated, not just one dose of a two dose
>vaccine. I was in Vermont last week and not only is the vaccination rate
>high, mask-wearing is nearly ubiquitous, even in places where there are
>signs that fully vaccinated individuals don't have to wear masks.
>
>I think that all U.S. airlines now require masks on-board, and they are
>very strict. I was on a flight last Thursday where they made an
>announcement, mid-flight, that masks could only be removed when actively
>eating or drinking, just having food or a beverage on your tray was not
>sufficient.
>
>Now that companies are firing employees that refuse to get vaccinated,
>and universities are expelling students that refuse to get vaccinated
>(other than those that have a valid medical reason for refusing), the
>percentages will start to rise in the U.S.. It's rather sad that it
>takes threats of being fired to stop people from being stupid.

Over here masks are almost 100%. I walk for exercise in the mornings
and I was admonished by a neighbor the other day for not wearing a
mask although I'm never within 10 feet of anyone. The news has it that
90-something percent of Bangkokians wear masks. As for vaccination the
village (40,000 inhabitants) have free vaccination available and I
believe that nearly all are now vaccinated. The country is at
something like 60% I think and I just read that almost 90% in Bangkok
have received at least the first dose.

But, you must remember that the Flat Earth Society is still active and
a YouGov survey of more than 8,000 American adults suggested last year
that as many as one in six Americans are not entirely certain the
world is round.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:28:05 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
>
> Now that companies are firing employees that refuse to get vaccinated,
> and universities are expelling students that refuse to get vaccinated
> (other than those that have a valid medical reason for refusing), the
> percentages will start to rise in the U.S..

Maybe, possibly, if we are really lucky. BUT, even if the vaccination rises due to the threats, it will be a miniscule minimal amount. 0.1% each month or so. As you state we are at 56.3% fully vaccinated now. If my 0.1% is accurate, it will take 15 years 7 months to reach that mythical herd immunity percentage of 75%. 1 million, 2 million, 3 million more dead people? From a disease that is easily prevented with an available vaccine. Is that winning?

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:44:40 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 9:08:52 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 3:07:08 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Tell me something Scharf - we're being told that over 80% of the population has been vaccinated.
> > Why do you LIE so much Tommy? Have your masters told you they will kick you out of the Trump rump licking club if you don't lie constantly?
> >
> > https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker
> > Vermont has the highest vaccination rate of any state at 69.6%.
> >
> > https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-population-vaccinated-march-15.html
> >
> > https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-19-vaccine-doses.html
> > 65% of the whole USA has received at least one dose of the vaccine. 56% of the whole USA is fully vaccinated.
> >
> > https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-total-admin-rate-total
> > CDC says 64.8% of whole USA has received at least one dose. 75.8% of everyone above age 12.
> >
> > I realize you pulled this "over 80% of the population has been vaccinated" out of your butthole. But tell us how deep you had to reach?
> I just repeat what I'm told on ABC and CBS - if you want to believe a chart with no backing of the NIH that is your business. Sucking off the Democrats is your sort of thing now that you've decided to join the LGBTQ gang. As of September 26: "According to the CDC, 75% of eligible Americans have received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, but vaccination rates have declined by 37% over the past three weeks."
>
> Tell me all about your usual ignorance and how you go about getting that stupid? Do you take pills for it or are you simply born that way?

Tommy boy, how did you get soooooooo stupid?

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-total-admin-rate-total
This is a CDC website. It shows 64.9% of the total USA population with at least one dose of the vaccine. If you click on the tabs near the top right, you can see the fully vaccinated rate at 56%. Total USA population including little kids who are not eligible to be vaccinated yet. How the National Institutes of Health and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention interact with one another, I do not know. These two government agencies might work on the same problem from opposite ends using different methods and tools. And never meet in the middle.

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 12:34:25 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 10:17:21 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 10/4/2021 10:44 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 9:08:52 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I realize you pulled this "over 80% of the population has been vaccinated" out of your butthole. But tell us how deep you had to reach?
> > > I just repeat what I'm told on ABC and CBS ...
> >
> > You may be repeating what you "remember" being told on ABC and CBS.
> >
> > We know not to trust your memory. You should learn the same thing.
> >
> > Take notes, Tom.
> Tell me you low life - why didn't you use the direct quote from the CDC I included? "As of September 26: "According to the CDC, 75% of eligible Americans have received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, but vaccination rates have declined by 37% over the past three weeks."
>
> This is your mental illness, you didn't include the quote from the CDC because it disproved you point.

How did you get SOOOOOOOOO stupid Tommy? It can't all be inherited. No one that stupid could even breed. You must have taken classes somehow in how to be even stupider than you were born with.

Your quote of "As of September 26: "According to the CDC, 75% of eligible........" I do not know how to go back to September 26 and look up what was reported. Maybe someone else here knows how to do that. But its irrelevant.. The CDC website I show below has many different tables to choose from. Some are ALL Americans. Some are those above 12 years old. The people eligible for a vaccination now. And there are other age groups you can filter on too.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-total-admin-rate-total
I posted this CDC website at 11:10 PM CDT on October 4, 2021. It shows 75.9% of all eligible Americans of 12 years old and greater have received at least one dose of the vaccine. But 64.9% of the total USA population has received at least one dose of the vaccine. So about 11% of the USA population must be 1-11 years old kids I guess. No vaccinations for them yet. But they are still part of the USA population. If you click on the Fully Vaccinated tab you get 56% of the Total USA population vaccinated. And 65.5% of those 12 and up in age vaccinated.

Since we know Covid can infect and kill children, I think its best to use the Total numbers. Only looking at those eligible to receive a vaccination and using those percentages may be OK to judge how successful the vaccination program is since it looks only at those who can get the vaccination. But the overall Total percent fully vaccinated tells a better picture of how close we are to stopping, ending, controlling the deadly Covid disease. Which is the ultimate goal. Since everyone unvaccinated can get the virus and die.

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 6:45:37 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 07:28:01 -0700, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
> wrote:
> >On 10/3/2021 9:08 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 3:07:08 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> Tell me something Scharf - we're being told that over 80% of the population has been vaccinated.
> >>
> >> Why do you LIE so much Tommy? Have your masters told you they will kick you out of the Trump rump licking club if you don't lie constantly?
> >>
> >> https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker
> >> Vermont has the highest vaccination rate of any state at 69.6%.
> >>
> >> https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-population-vaccinated-march-15.html
> >>
> >> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-19-vaccine-doses.html
> >> 65% of the whole USA has received at least one dose of the vaccine. 56% of the whole USA is fully vaccinated.
> >>
> >> https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-total-admin-rate-total
> >> CDC says 64.8% of whole USA has received at least one dose. 75.8% of everyone above age 12.
> >>
> >> I realize you pulled this "over 80% of the population has been vaccinated" out of your butthole. But tell us how deep you had to reach?
> >
> >It's unclear why he chooses to lie. It could be a lack of education and
> >lack of critical thinking skills combined with only reading news from
> >fake news sites like Fox, Newsmax, OAN, etc.. It's not like anyone here,
> >that hasn't filtered him out, actually believes anything he says.
> >
> >As to vaccination rates, some countries are at 80%, but not the U.S..
> >The U.S. was at 56.3% on October 2nd. Puerto Rico is at 70.7%, Vermont
> >is at 69.6%. That is fully vaccinated, not just one dose of a two dose
> >vaccine. I was in Vermont last week and not only is the vaccination rate
> >high, mask-wearing is nearly ubiquitous, even in places where there are
> >signs that fully vaccinated individuals don't have to wear masks.
> >
> >I think that all U.S. airlines now require masks on-board, and they are
> >very strict. I was on a flight last Thursday where they made an
> >announcement, mid-flight, that masks could only be removed when actively
> >eating or drinking, just having food or a beverage on your tray was not
> >sufficient.
> >
> >Now that companies are firing employees that refuse to get vaccinated,
> >and universities are expelling students that refuse to get vaccinated
> >(other than those that have a valid medical reason for refusing), the
> >percentages will start to rise in the U.S.. It's rather sad that it
> >takes threats of being fired to stop people from being stupid.
> Over here masks are almost 100%. I walk for exercise in the mornings
> and I was admonished by a neighbor the other day for not wearing a
> mask although I'm never within 10 feet of anyone. The news has it that
> 90-something percent of Bangkokians wear masks. As for vaccination the
> village (40,000 inhabitants) have free vaccination available and I
> believe that nearly all are now vaccinated. The country is at
> something like 60% I think and I just read that almost 90% in Bangkok
> have received at least the first dose.
>
> But, you must remember that the Flat Earth Society is still active and
> a YouGov survey of more than 8,000 American adults suggested last year
> that as many as one in six Americans are not entirely certain the
> world is round.

John, doctors started wearing masks in the 1880's or so. The initial studies of masks but the (SIS - a forerunner of the CDC) began in 1918. These studies have occurred every couple of years and those that were peer reviewed NEVER showed any positive results. They didn't even show that they slowed down bacterial diseases, let alone viruses which are 200 times smaller than the breathing pores in an N95 mask. When doctors are afraid of being infected with a virus now, they use a RESPIRATOR and not a mask. Surgeons use a mask so that they are not distracted by spray from an incision. This is bothersome enough that many now use a full face plastic hood like is used in many manufacturing arenas. The LATEST study of the CDC was released in May of 2020 and the results were the same as always - masks had NO effect on corona virus transmission. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

"russellseaton1@yahoo.com" <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> writes:

> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:28:05 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
>>
>> Now that companies are firing employees that refuse to get vaccinated,
>> and universities are expelling students that refuse to get vaccinated
>> (other than those that have a valid medical reason for refusing), the
>> percentages will start to rise in the U.S..
>
> Maybe, possibly, if we are really lucky. BUT, even if the vaccination
> rises due to the threats, it will be a miniscule minimal amount. 0.1%
> each month or so. As you state we are at 56.3% fully vaccinated now.
> If my 0.1% is accurate, it will take 15 years 7 months to reach that
> mythical herd immunity percentage of 75%. 1 million, 2 million, 3
> million more dead people? From a disease that is easily prevented
> with an available vaccine. Is that winning?

Except it's not prevented by the available vaccine. CDC agrees that
vaccinated people can and do become infected and do spread the disease.
The "mythical" herd immunity vaccination threshold is indeed mythical,
there is no reason to think that covid would vanish even at 100%
vaccination.

Successful human vaccines, such as smallpox, polio, measles, mumps,
pertussis, &c produce "sterilizing immunity". The vaccinated do not
become infected. The available covid vaccines do not work this way and
hence are not comparable. Leaky vaccines like those for covid allow the
virus to continue to evolve among the vaccinated, which has given rise
to at least one remarkably lethal viral disease in chickens. Do a
search for "Marek's disease".

On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 11:54:18 AM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 11:04:20 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 1:11:20 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > Please continue typing out of your ass. Your flailing about is highly entertaining to those of us on the right side of the bell curve (REminder: we're laughing at you, not with you).
> > > I do find it interesting that you cannot read and are more than willing to misrepresent what was written. That makes you a liar.
> > Sure sparky, when I copied and pasted your claim "Trump removed ALL American troops from Syria ", and simply responded with a link showing that trump in fact _did_ leave troops in syria, that was a misrepresentation. Can you point to the lie I posted?
> >
> > Did I lie when i pasted your statement "Trump removed ALL American troops from Syria"?
> > Did I lie when posted the link to a report showing trump _did_ leave troops in syria?
> >
> > Pretty simple math there, sparky, even for someone who didn't graduate high school.
> >
> > Keep flailing, little man, you're keeping us entertained.
>
> Do you mean like the audience booing Biden when he showed up to the Congressional baseball game?
yes, keep flailing just like that: "Democrats in the stands cheered on the president, while a chorus of boos rang out from the Republicans' side of the ballpark." (https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-booed-fans-congressional-baseball-game-1634229) and of course, that has absolutely nothing to do with you being wrong about trump pulling troops out of Syria.

> Or perhaps you mean the 60,000 in attendance at the college football game chanting "Fuck Joe Biden"?
yes, keep flailing just like that. Please post a link showing an _entire_ football stadium of 60000 chanting "fuck Joe Biden"

> What exactly are we suppose to conclude that some pencil neck geek like you knows about?
Certainly quite a bit more than you, especially since I provide proof of my claims. I'm still waiting for you proof that Pelosi said when was going after veterans benefits.

> People like you are born to be bullied which would be a shame if it wasn't a 12 year old schoolgirl doing so.
Yes, keep flailing just like that. The only 12-year-old girl that ever came close to bullying me was when my daughter was 12, and I lost the argument with her and my wife over letting her go to the mall with her friends without adult supervision.

> So you are simply a funny little fool.
laughing _at_ you again.

On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 8:15:44 AM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
> "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:28:05 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> >>
> >> Now that companies are firing employees that refuse to get vaccinated,
> >> and universities are expelling students that refuse to get vaccinated
> >> (other than those that have a valid medical reason for refusing), the
> >> percentages will start to rise in the U.S..
> >
> > Maybe, possibly, if we are really lucky. BUT, even if the vaccination
> > rises due to the threats, it will be a miniscule minimal amount. 0.1%
> > each month or so. As you state we are at 56.3% fully vaccinated now.
> > If my 0.1% is accurate, it will take 15 years 7 months to reach that
> > mythical herd immunity percentage of 75%. 1 million, 2 million, 3
> > million more dead people? From a disease that is easily prevented
> > with an available vaccine. Is that winning?
> Except it's not prevented by the available vaccine. CDC agrees that
> vaccinated people can and do become infected and do spread the disease.
> The "mythical" herd immunity vaccination threshold is indeed mythical,
> there is no reason to think that covid would vanish even at 100%
> vaccination.
>
> Successful human vaccines, such as smallpox, polio, measles, mumps,
> pertussis, &c produce "sterilizing immunity". The vaccinated do not
> become infected. The available covid vaccines do not work this way and
> hence are not comparable. Leaky vaccines like those for covid allow the
> virus to continue to evolve among the vaccinated, which has given rise
> to at least one remarkably lethal viral disease in chickens. Do a
> search for "Marek's disease".
Russell wants to force vaccine poisons upon children unable to protect themselves from people like Biden. The IMMEDIATE effects of the vaccine is to paralyze the immune system. This is a known and tested side effect. What is unknown is the length of time this lasts or if it grows over time. I have watched people in perfect health have serious life-threatening illnesses after they were vaccinated. And these same people insist that everyone else get vaccinated. Talk about whackos.

On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 8:21:10 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 11:54:18 AM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 11:04:20 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail..com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 1:11:20 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Please continue typing out of your ass. Your flailing about is highly entertaining to those of us on the right side of the bell curve (REminder: we're laughing at you, not with you).
> > > > I do find it interesting that you cannot read and are more than willing to misrepresent what was written. That makes you a liar.
> > > Sure sparky, when I copied and pasted your claim "Trump removed ALL American troops from Syria ", and simply responded with a link showing that trump in fact _did_ leave troops in syria, that was a misrepresentation. Can you point to the lie I posted?
> > >
> > > Did I lie when i pasted your statement "Trump removed ALL American troops from Syria"?
> > > Did I lie when posted the link to a report showing trump _did_ leave troops in syria?
> > >
> > > Pretty simple math there, sparky, even for someone who didn't graduate high school.
> > >
> > > Keep flailing, little man, you're keeping us entertained.
> >
> > Do you mean like the audience booing Biden when he showed up to the Congressional baseball game?
> yes, keep flailing just like that: "Democrats in the stands cheered on the president, while a chorus of boos rang out from the Republicans' side of the ballpark." (https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-booed-fans-congressional-baseball-game-1634229) and of course, that has absolutely nothing to do with you being wrong about trump pulling troops out of Syria.
> > Or perhaps you mean the 60,000 in attendance at the college football game chanting "Fuck Joe Biden"?
> yes, keep flailing just like that. Please post a link showing an _entire_ football stadium of 60000 chanting "fuck Joe Biden"
> > What exactly are we suppose to conclude that some pencil neck geek like you knows about?
> Certainly quite a bit more than you, especially since I provide proof of my claims. I'm still waiting for you proof that Pelosi said when was going after veterans benefits.
> > People like you are born to be bullied which would be a shame if it wasn't a 12 year old schoolgirl doing so.
> Yes, keep flailing just like that. The only 12-year-old girl that ever came close to bullying me was when my daughter was 12, and I lost the argument with her and my wife over letting her go to the mall with her friends without adult supervision.
> > So you are simply a funny little fool.
> laughing _at_ you again.
It must really be painful that people are not afraid. Your fear addiction is not held by Americans. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuAbqutvMkA

Am 05.10.2021 um 17:15 schrieb Radey Shouman:
> "russellseaton1@yahoo.com" <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:28:05 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
>>>
>>> Now that companies are firing employees that refuse to get vaccinated,
>>> and universities are expelling students that refuse to get vaccinated
>>> (other than those that have a valid medical reason for refusing), the
>>> percentages will start to rise in the U.S..
>>
>> Maybe, possibly, if we are really lucky. BUT, even if the vaccination
>> rises due to the threats, it will be a miniscule minimal amount. 0.1%
>> each month or so. As you state we are at 56.3% fully vaccinated now.
>> If my 0.1% is accurate, it will take 15 years 7 months to reach that
>> mythical herd immunity percentage of 75%. 1 million, 2 million, 3
>> million more dead people? From a disease that is easily prevented
>> with an available vaccine. Is that winning?
>
> Except it's not prevented by the available vaccine. CDC agrees that
> vaccinated people can and do become infected and do spread the disease.
> The "mythical" herd immunity vaccination threshold is indeed mythical,
> there is no reason to think that covid would vanish even at 100%
> vaccination.
>
> Successful human vaccines, such as smallpox, polio, measles, mumps,
> pertussis, &c produce "sterilizing immunity". The vaccinated do not
> become infected.

Almost true. World-wide polio eradication is on the way without
"sterilizing immunity"; a spread reduction factor of 80-90% seems to be
sufficient here. For COVID, we're takling about spread reduction
factors somewhere between 50% and 90%.

Optimists say that spread reduction of 70% and immunity of 90% might be
"just good enough" for herd immunity.

Rolf

On 10/5/2021 10:15 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
> "russellseaton1@yahoo.com" <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:28:05 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
>>>
>>> Now that companies are firing employees that refuse to get vaccinated,
>>> and universities are expelling students that refuse to get vaccinated
>>> (other than those that have a valid medical reason for refusing), the
>>> percentages will start to rise in the U.S..
>>
>> Maybe, possibly, if we are really lucky. BUT, even if the vaccination
>> rises due to the threats, it will be a miniscule minimal amount. 0.1%
>> each month or so. As you state we are at 56.3% fully vaccinated now.
>> If my 0.1% is accurate, it will take 15 years 7 months to reach that
>> mythical herd immunity percentage of 75%. 1 million, 2 million, 3
>> million more dead people? From a disease that is easily prevented
>> with an available vaccine. Is that winning?
>
> Except it's not prevented by the available vaccine. CDC agrees that
> vaccinated people can and do become infected and do spread the disease.
> The "mythical" herd immunity vaccination threshold is indeed mythical,
> there is no reason to think that covid would vanish even at 100%
> vaccination.
>
> Successful human vaccines, such as smallpox, polio, measles, mumps,
> pertussis, &c produce "sterilizing immunity". The vaccinated do not
> become infected. The available covid vaccines do not work this way and
> hence are not comparable. Leaky vaccines like those for covid allow the
> virus to continue to evolve among the vaccinated, which has given rise
> to at least one remarkably lethal viral disease in chickens. Do a
> search for "Marek's disease".
>

+1
Which is why I have avoided calling the Pfizer/Moderna mRNA
products 'vaccine'. J&J is an actual vaccine of attenuated
virus.

The mRNA jab promotes production of a blood-borne antibody.
An antibody, one of the body's defenses, but only one.
This is an important aspect of human immune response and is
effective for the (sometimes fatal)
vascular/cardiac/respiratory damage caused by a combination
of the virus and cysteine response. It does not promote
production of respiratory/mucosa antibodies (found in
'natural' immunity) so you are exactly right. The mRNA shot
will likely keep you from dying but will not stop you from
contracting or spreading the CCP Wuhan product.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 11:26:53 AM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 8:21:10 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 11:54:18 AM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 11:04:20 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 1:11:20 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please continue typing out of your ass. Your flailing about is highly entertaining to those of us on the right side of the bell curve (REminder: we're laughing at you, not with you).
> > > > > I do find it interesting that you cannot read and are more than willing to misrepresent what was written. That makes you a liar.
> > > > Sure sparky, when I copied and pasted your claim "Trump removed ALL American troops from Syria ", and simply responded with a link showing that trump in fact _did_ leave troops in syria, that was a misrepresentation. Can you point to the lie I posted?
> > > >
> > > > Did I lie when i pasted your statement "Trump removed ALL American troops from Syria"?
> > > > Did I lie when posted the link to a report showing trump _did_ leave troops in syria?
> > > >
> > > > Pretty simple math there, sparky, even for someone who didn't graduate high school.
> > > >
> > > > Keep flailing, little man, you're keeping us entertained.
> > >
> > > Do you mean like the audience booing Biden when he showed up to the Congressional baseball game?
> > yes, keep flailing just like that: "Democrats in the stands cheered on the president, while a chorus of boos rang out from the Republicans' side of the ballpark." (https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-booed-fans-congressional-baseball-game-1634229) and of course, that has absolutely nothing to do with you being wrong about trump pulling troops out of Syria.
> > > Or perhaps you mean the 60,000 in attendance at the college football game chanting "Fuck Joe Biden"?
> > yes, keep flailing just like that. Please post a link showing an _entire_ football stadium of 60000 chanting "fuck Joe Biden"
> > > What exactly are we suppose to conclude that some pencil neck geek like you knows about?
> > Certainly quite a bit more than you, especially since I provide proof of my claims. I'm still waiting for you proof that Pelosi said when was going after veterans benefits.
> > > People like you are born to be bullied which would be a shame if it wasn't a 12 year old schoolgirl doing so.
> > Yes, keep flailing just like that. The only 12-year-old girl that ever came close to bullying me was when my daughter was 12, and I lost the argument with her and my wife over letting her go to the mall with her friends without adult supervision.
> > > So you are simply a funny little fool.
> > laughing _at_ you again.
> It must really be painful that people are not afraid. Your fear addiction is not held by Americans. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuAbqutvMkA

What is it you think that I'm afraid of, sparky? You're the one constantly peddling fear over how those evil democrats are trying to destroy america. Every non-cycling post you make is a warning about how we're all in danger of losing our livelihoods or freedoms. You're the one living in fear, sparky, not me. BTW, so the answer to 'do you have any proof that nancy pelosi is coming after veterans benefits (more fear mongering duly noted) is "no". Got it.

On 10/5/2021 11:15 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
>
> Successful human vaccines, such as smallpox, polio, measles, mumps,
> pertussis, &c produce "sterilizing immunity". The vaccinated do not
> become infected. The available covid vaccines do not work this way and
> hence are not comparable.

Sorry to disagree with you, but I have a close and beloved family member
who nearly died from a malady against which he was vaccinated.

Also, a few years ago I had an extremely scary bronchial problem. My
primary care physician was afraid I had whooping cough, even though we
both knew I had been vaccinated against it. He said post-vaccination
whooping cough is uncommon, but a definite possibility. (Fortunately,
that was not my problem.)

Then there are the many cases of post-vaccination shingles, and many
other diseases. These things happen. Vaccines are not as reliable as
light switches.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 8:44:06 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 10/5/2021 10:15 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
> > "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> >> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:28:05 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Now that companies are firing employees that refuse to get vaccinated,
> >>> and universities are expelling students that refuse to get vaccinated
> >>> (other than those that have a valid medical reason for refusing), the
> >>> percentages will start to rise in the U.S..
> >>
> >> Maybe, possibly, if we are really lucky. BUT, even if the vaccination
> >> rises due to the threats, it will be a miniscule minimal amount. 0.1%
> >> each month or so. As you state we are at 56.3% fully vaccinated now.
> >> If my 0.1% is accurate, it will take 15 years 7 months to reach that
> >> mythical herd immunity percentage of 75%. 1 million, 2 million, 3
> >> million more dead people? From a disease that is easily prevented
> >> with an available vaccine. Is that winning?
> >
> > Except it's not prevented by the available vaccine. CDC agrees that
> > vaccinated people can and do become infected and do spread the disease.
> > The "mythical" herd immunity vaccination threshold is indeed mythical,
> > there is no reason to think that covid would vanish even at 100%
> > vaccination.
> >
> > Successful human vaccines, such as smallpox, polio, measles, mumps,
> > pertussis, &c produce "sterilizing immunity". The vaccinated do not
> > become infected. The available covid vaccines do not work this way and
> > hence are not comparable. Leaky vaccines like those for covid allow the
> > virus to continue to evolve among the vaccinated, which has given rise
> > to at least one remarkably lethal viral disease in chickens. Do a
> > search for "Marek's disease".
> >
> +1
> Which is why I have avoided calling the Pfizer/Moderna mRNA
> products 'vaccine'. J&J is an actual vaccine of attenuated
> virus.
>
> The mRNA jab promotes production of a blood-borne antibody.
> An antibody, one of the body's defenses, but only one.
> This is an important aspect of human immune response and is
> effective for the (sometimes fatal)
> vascular/cardiac/respiratory damage caused by a combination
> of the virus and cysteine response. It does not promote
> production of respiratory/mucosa antibodies (found in
> 'natural' immunity) so you are exactly right. The mRNA shot
> will likely keep you from dying but will not stop you from
> contracting or spreading the CCP Wuhan product.

"Natural immunity" isn't faring that well. https://news.yale.edu/2021/10/01/unvaccinated-reinfection-sars-cov-2-likely-study-finds Natural immunity and a vaccine appear to be the ticket, although one would prefer to skip being sick to start with. No vaccine is 100% and many are not effective forever. Flu vaccines are notoriously ineffective, but we still take them, and they prevent some infections.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 11:14:30 AM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:

> The LATEST study of the CDC was released in May of 2020 and the results were the
> same as always - masks had NO effect on corona virus transmission.
> https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

Tommy tommy tommy....will you _ever_ learn? you should really read these links before you post them. It isn't the latest study, and it didn't evaluate corona virus. It was actually a metastudy of some previous studies, the latest of which was in 2016, and focused in influenza, not Covid. Even the title of the study states "Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings".

Influenza, sparky, not Covid.

But wait, there's more! You know how we absolutely _love_ it when you rail against how the evil deomcrats are allowing the chinese to take over the country?
And you know how we love it when you rail against college edumacated folk being worthless?
Well guess what?Tthe study you linked is by Jingyi Xiao, a postgraduate student at the School of Public Health, University of Hong Kong, Hong Kong, China - a post-grad _student_, not even a real doctor!

A chinese college student from the university of hong kong! You've been duped tommy! Theyh _want_ you to not wear a mask so you _will+ get sick

Actually, here's the _real_ LATEST study by the CDC on the effectiveness of masks against the spread of Covid:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html

"At least ten studies have confirmed the benefit of universal masking in community level analyses: in a unified hospital system, a German city, two U..S. states, a panel of 15 U.S. states and Washington, D.C., as well as both Canada and the U.S. nationally. Each analysis demonstrated that, following directives from organizational and political leadership for universal masking, new infections fell significantly. Two of these studies and an additional analysis of data from 200 countries that included the U.S. also demonstrated reductions in mortality. Another 10-site study showed reductions in hospitalization growth rates following mask mandate implementation . A separate series of cross-sectional surveys in the U.S. suggested that a 10% increase in self-reported mask wearing tripled the likelihood of stopping community transmission"

Still laughing _at_ you, sparky.

Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> writes:

> Am 05.10.2021 um 17:15 schrieb Radey Shouman:
>> "russellseaton1@yahoo.com" <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:28:05 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Now that companies are firing employees that refuse to get vaccinated,
>>>> and universities are expelling students that refuse to get vaccinated
>>>> (other than those that have a valid medical reason for refusing), the
>>>> percentages will start to rise in the U.S..
>>>
>>> Maybe, possibly, if we are really lucky. BUT, even if the vaccination
>>> rises due to the threats, it will be a miniscule minimal amount. 0.1%
>>> each month or so. As you state we are at 56.3% fully vaccinated now.
>>> If my 0.1% is accurate, it will take 15 years 7 months to reach that
>>> mythical herd immunity percentage of 75%. 1 million, 2 million, 3
>>> million more dead people? From a disease that is easily prevented
>>> with an available vaccine. Is that winning?
>>
>> Except it's not prevented by the available vaccine. CDC agrees that
>> vaccinated people can and do become infected and do spread the disease.
>> The "mythical" herd immunity vaccination threshold is indeed mythical,
>> there is no reason to think that covid would vanish even at 100%
>> vaccination.
>>
>> Successful human vaccines, such as smallpox, polio, measles, mumps,
>> pertussis, &c produce "sterilizing immunity". The vaccinated do not
>> become infected.
>
> Almost true. World-wide polio eradication is on the way without
> "sterilizing immunity"; a spread reduction factor of 80-90% seems to
> be sufficient here. For COVID, we're takling about spread reduction
> factors somewhere between 50% and 90%.

Thanks for the correction. The US CDC claims that 3 shots of polio
vaccine provides at least 99% immunity. Four shots are recommended for
children, and three shots for adults who have not previously been
immunized:

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/public/index.html

> Optimists say that spread reduction of 70% and immunity of 90% might
> be "just good enough" for herd immunity.

I admit to having developed some skepticism about the current state of
epidemiology, optimistic or not. At least in the US there seems to be a
taboo on considering natural immunity as a result of recovery from covid
infection -- it's hard to account for this in a charitable manner.

jbeattie <jbeattie57@msn.com> writes:

> On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 8:44:06 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 10/5/2021 10:15 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
>> > "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
>> >
>> >> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:28:05 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Now that companies are firing employees that refuse to get vaccinated,
>> >>> and universities are expelling students that refuse to get vaccinated
>> >>> (other than those that have a valid medical reason for refusing), the
>> >>> percentages will start to rise in the U.S..
>> >>
>> >> Maybe, possibly, if we are really lucky. BUT, even if the vaccination
>> >> rises due to the threats, it will be a miniscule minimal amount. 0.1%
>> >> each month or so. As you state we are at 56.3% fully vaccinated now.
>> >> If my 0.1% is accurate, it will take 15 years 7 months to reach that
>> >> mythical herd immunity percentage of 75%. 1 million, 2 million, 3
>> >> million more dead people? From a disease that is easily prevented
>> >> with an available vaccine. Is that winning?
>> >
>> > Except it's not prevented by the available vaccine. CDC agrees that
>> > vaccinated people can and do become infected and do spread the disease.
>> > The "mythical" herd immunity vaccination threshold is indeed mythical,
>> > there is no reason to think that covid would vanish even at 100%
>> > vaccination.
>> >
>> > Successful human vaccines, such as smallpox, polio, measles, mumps,
>> > pertussis, &c produce "sterilizing immunity". The vaccinated do not
>> > become infected. The available covid vaccines do not work this way and
>> > hence are not comparable. Leaky vaccines like those for covid allow the
>> > virus to continue to evolve among the vaccinated, which has given rise
>> > to at least one remarkably lethal viral disease in chickens. Do a
>> > search for "Marek's disease".
>> >
>> +1
>> Which is why I have avoided calling the Pfizer/Moderna mRNA
>> products 'vaccine'. J&J is an actual vaccine of attenuated
>> virus.
>>
>> The mRNA jab promotes production of a blood-borne antibody.
>> An antibody, one of the body's defenses, but only one.
>> This is an important aspect of human immune response and is
>> effective for the (sometimes fatal)
>> vascular/cardiac/respiratory damage caused by a combination
>> of the virus and cysteine response. It does not promote
>> production of respiratory/mucosa antibodies (found in
>> 'natural' immunity) so you are exactly right. The mRNA shot
>> will likely keep you from dying but will not stop you from
>> contracting or spreading the CCP Wuhan product.
>
> "Natural immunity" isn't faring that well.
> https://news.yale.edu/2021/10/01/unvaccinated-reinfection-sars-cov-2-likely-study-finds
> Natural immunity and a vaccine appear to be the ticket, although one
> would prefer to skip being sick to start with. No vaccine is 100% and
> many are not effective forever. Flu vaccines are notoriously
> ineffective, but we still take them, and they prevent some infections.

Who is this "we"? Patients in the US are able to choose whether to get
a flu shot or not. They should be able to make a choice with respect to
covid as well. For healthy young people the covid vaccine is almost
certainly more dangerous, (albeit fairly safe), than infection with covid.

As for natural immunity, here's a paper based on Israeli data that
claims considerably more protection from natural immunity than from
vaccination:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

You might note that Israel was and is at the forefront in coercing their
citizens into covid vaccination. It does not seem to have gone very
well; last I read they were considering a mandate for boooster #2 (shot
#4).

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:

> On 10/5/2021 11:15 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
>>
>> Successful human vaccines, such as smallpox, polio, measles, mumps,
>> pertussis, &c produce "sterilizing immunity". The vaccinated do not
>> become infected. The available covid vaccines do not work this way and
>> hence are not comparable.
>
> Sorry to disagree with you, but I have a close and beloved family
> member who nearly died from a malady against which he was vaccinated.
>
> Also, a few years ago I had an extremely scary bronchial problem. My
> primary care physician was afraid I had whooping cough, even though we
> both knew I had been vaccinated against it. He said post-vaccination
> whooping cough is uncommon, but a definite possibility. (Fortunately,
> that was not my problem.)
>
> Then there are the many cases of post-vaccination shingles, and many
> other diseases. These things happen. Vaccines are not as reliable as
> light switches.

I agree that no vaccine is 100% effective. However the covid vaccines
are remarkably bad compared to other widely prescribed, let alone
mandated, vaccines.

On 10/5/2021 3:15 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
> Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> writes:
>
>> Am 05.10.2021 um 17:15 schrieb Radey Shouman:
>>> "russellseaton1@yahoo.com" <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:28:05 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Now that companies are firing employees that refuse to get vaccinated,
>>>>> and universities are expelling students that refuse to get vaccinated
>>>>> (other than those that have a valid medical reason for refusing), the
>>>>> percentages will start to rise in the U.S..
>>>>
>>>> Maybe, possibly, if we are really lucky. BUT, even if the vaccination
>>>> rises due to the threats, it will be a miniscule minimal amount. 0.1%
>>>> each month or so. As you state we are at 56.3% fully vaccinated now.
>>>> If my 0.1% is accurate, it will take 15 years 7 months to reach that
>>>> mythical herd immunity percentage of 75%. 1 million, 2 million, 3
>>>> million more dead people? From a disease that is easily prevented
>>>> with an available vaccine. Is that winning?
>>>
>>> Except it's not prevented by the available vaccine. CDC agrees that
>>> vaccinated people can and do become infected and do spread the disease.
>>> The "mythical" herd immunity vaccination threshold is indeed mythical,
>>> there is no reason to think that covid would vanish even at 100%
>>> vaccination.
>>>
>>> Successful human vaccines, such as smallpox, polio, measles, mumps,
>>> pertussis, &c produce "sterilizing immunity". The vaccinated do not
>>> become infected.
>>
>> Almost true. World-wide polio eradication is on the way without
>> "sterilizing immunity"; a spread reduction factor of 80-90% seems to
>> be sufficient here. For COVID, we're takling about spread reduction
>> factors somewhere between 50% and 90%.
>
> Thanks for the correction. The US CDC claims that 3 shots of polio
> vaccine provides at least 99% immunity. Four shots are recommended for
> children, and three shots for adults who have not previously been
> immunized:
>
> https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/public/index.html
>
>> Optimists say that spread reduction of 70% and immunity of 90% might
>> be "just good enough" for herd immunity.
>
> I admit to having developed some skepticism about the current state of
> epidemiology, optimistic or not. At least in the US there seems to be a
> taboo on considering natural immunity as a result of recovery from covid
> infection -- it's hard to account for this in a charitable manner.

>" it's hard to account for this in a charitable manner."

+1

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 9:00:03 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 8:44:06 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 10/5/2021 10:15 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
> > > "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
> > >
> > >> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:28:05 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Now that companies are firing employees that refuse to get vaccinated,
> > >>> and universities are expelling students that refuse to get vaccinated
> > >>> (other than those that have a valid medical reason for refusing), the
> > >>> percentages will start to rise in the U.S..
> > >>
> > >> Maybe, possibly, if we are really lucky. BUT, even if the vaccination
> > >> rises due to the threats, it will be a miniscule minimal amount. 0.1%
> > >> each month or so. As you state we are at 56.3% fully vaccinated now.
> > >> If my 0.1% is accurate, it will take 15 years 7 months to reach that
> > >> mythical herd immunity percentage of 75%. 1 million, 2 million, 3
> > >> million more dead people? From a disease that is easily prevented
> > >> with an available vaccine. Is that winning?
> > >
> > > Except it's not prevented by the available vaccine. CDC agrees that
> > > vaccinated people can and do become infected and do spread the disease.
> > > The "mythical" herd immunity vaccination threshold is indeed mythical,
> > > there is no reason to think that covid would vanish even at 100%
> > > vaccination.
> > >
> > > Successful human vaccines, such as smallpox, polio, measles, mumps,
> > > pertussis, &c produce "sterilizing immunity". The vaccinated do not
> > > become infected. The available covid vaccines do not work this way and
> > > hence are not comparable. Leaky vaccines like those for covid allow the
> > > virus to continue to evolve among the vaccinated, which has given rise
> > > to at least one remarkably lethal viral disease in chickens. Do a
> > > search for "Marek's disease".
> > >
> > +1
> > Which is why I have avoided calling the Pfizer/Moderna mRNA
> > products 'vaccine'. J&J is an actual vaccine of attenuated
> > virus.
> >
> > The mRNA jab promotes production of a blood-borne antibody.
> > An antibody, one of the body's defenses, but only one.
> > This is an important aspect of human immune response and is
> > effective for the (sometimes fatal)
> > vascular/cardiac/respiratory damage caused by a combination
> > of the virus and cysteine response. It does not promote
> > production of respiratory/mucosa antibodies (found in
> > 'natural' immunity) so you are exactly right. The mRNA shot
> > will likely keep you from dying but will not stop you from
> > contracting or spreading the CCP Wuhan product.
> "Natural immunity" isn't faring that well. https://news.yale.edu/2021/10/01/unvaccinated-reinfection-sars-cov-2-likely-study-finds Natural immunity and a vaccine appear to be the ticket, although one would prefer to skip being sick to start with. No vaccine is 100% and many are not effective forever. Flu vaccines are notoriously ineffective, but we still take them, and they prevent some infections.

60% of the population is naturally immune to this illness. Of the rest 60% of those are completely asymptomatic and of the rest, the symptoms of the disease are less than the normal flu save for far less than 0.5%. As I said, you are so addicted to fear that you have to find something to be afraid of. Did breaking your leg do that or has this been a growing addiction?

On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 1:16:01 PM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
> Rolf Mantel <ne...@hartig-mantel.de> writes:
>
> > Am 05.10.2021 um 17:15 schrieb Radey Shouman:
> >> "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
> >>
> >>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:28:05 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Now that companies are firing employees that refuse to get vaccinated,
> >>>> and universities are expelling students that refuse to get vaccinated
> >>>> (other than those that have a valid medical reason for refusing), the
> >>>> percentages will start to rise in the U.S..
> >>>
> >>> Maybe, possibly, if we are really lucky. BUT, even if the vaccination
> >>> rises due to the threats, it will be a miniscule minimal amount. 0.1%
> >>> each month or so. As you state we are at 56.3% fully vaccinated now.
> >>> If my 0.1% is accurate, it will take 15 years 7 months to reach that
> >>> mythical herd immunity percentage of 75%. 1 million, 2 million, 3
> >>> million more dead people? From a disease that is easily prevented
> >>> with an available vaccine. Is that winning?
> >>
> >> Except it's not prevented by the available vaccine. CDC agrees that
> >> vaccinated people can and do become infected and do spread the disease..
> >> The "mythical" herd immunity vaccination threshold is indeed mythical,
> >> there is no reason to think that covid would vanish even at 100%
> >> vaccination.
> >>
> >> Successful human vaccines, such as smallpox, polio, measles, mumps,
> >> pertussis, &c produce "sterilizing immunity". The vaccinated do not
> >> become infected.
> >
> > Almost true. World-wide polio eradication is on the way without
> > "sterilizing immunity"; a spread reduction factor of 80-90% seems to
> > be sufficient here. For COVID, we're takling about spread reduction
> > factors somewhere between 50% and 90%.
> Thanks for the correction. The US CDC claims that 3 shots of polio
> vaccine provides at least 99% immunity. Four shots are recommended for
> children, and three shots for adults who have not previously been
> immunized:
>
> https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/public/index.html
> > Optimists say that spread reduction of 70% and immunity of 90% might
> > be "just good enough" for herd immunity.
> I admit to having developed some skepticism about the current state of
> epidemiology, optimistic or not. At least in the US there seems to be a
> taboo on considering natural immunity as a result of recovery from covid
> infection -- it's hard to account for this in a charitable manner.
The Vaccine concerning polio is a bit silly. In the USA polio was ALWAYS rare. My uncle caught it in the Philippines because they didn't vaccinate adults since usually only children caught polio. So as a little kid he was brought back and in an iron lung for a couple of months and then recovered until only his legs were paralyzed. During his recovery he stayed at our house and it wasn't a pretty picture of a man who had always been active as hell (Army Corp of Engineers in WW II and he was the foreman on the Atomic Bomb tower in the South Pacific).

So the "effectiveness" of the polio vaccines are really a wild-ass guess. Large swaths of the population had immune systems that would react to it too rapidly to catch It I suppose. And it was largely a tropical disease. You can't catch it unless you are exposed to that specific virus

On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 1:27:18 PM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
> jbeattie <jbeat...@msn.com> writes:
>
> > On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 8:44:06 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 10/5/2021 10:15 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
> >> > "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
> >> >
> >> >> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:28:05 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Now that companies are firing employees that refuse to get vaccinated,
> >> >>> and universities are expelling students that refuse to get vaccinated
> >> >>> (other than those that have a valid medical reason for refusing), the
> >> >>> percentages will start to rise in the U.S..
> >> >>
> >> >> Maybe, possibly, if we are really lucky. BUT, even if the vaccination
> >> >> rises due to the threats, it will be a miniscule minimal amount. 0.1%
> >> >> each month or so. As you state we are at 56.3% fully vaccinated now..
> >> >> If my 0.1% is accurate, it will take 15 years 7 months to reach that
> >> >> mythical herd immunity percentage of 75%. 1 million, 2 million, 3
> >> >> million more dead people? From a disease that is easily prevented
> >> >> with an available vaccine. Is that winning?
> >> >
> >> > Except it's not prevented by the available vaccine. CDC agrees that
> >> > vaccinated people can and do become infected and do spread the disease.
> >> > The "mythical" herd immunity vaccination threshold is indeed mythical,
> >> > there is no reason to think that covid would vanish even at 100%
> >> > vaccination.
> >> >
> >> > Successful human vaccines, such as smallpox, polio, measles, mumps,
> >> > pertussis, &c produce "sterilizing immunity". The vaccinated do not
> >> > become infected. The available covid vaccines do not work this way and
> >> > hence are not comparable. Leaky vaccines like those for covid allow the
> >> > virus to continue to evolve among the vaccinated, which has given rise
> >> > to at least one remarkably lethal viral disease in chickens. Do a
> >> > search for "Marek's disease".
> >> >
> >> +1
> >> Which is why I have avoided calling the Pfizer/Moderna mRNA
> >> products 'vaccine'. J&J is an actual vaccine of attenuated
> >> virus.
> >>
> >> The mRNA jab promotes production of a blood-borne antibody.
> >> An antibody, one of the body's defenses, but only one.
> >> This is an important aspect of human immune response and is
> >> effective for the (sometimes fatal)
> >> vascular/cardiac/respiratory damage caused by a combination
> >> of the virus and cysteine response. It does not promote
> >> production of respiratory/mucosa antibodies (found in
> >> 'natural' immunity) so you are exactly right. The mRNA shot
> >> will likely keep you from dying but will not stop you from
> >> contracting or spreading the CCP Wuhan product.
> >
> > "Natural immunity" isn't faring that well.
> > https://news.yale.edu/2021/10/01/unvaccinated-reinfection-sars-cov-2-likely-study-finds
> > Natural immunity and a vaccine appear to be the ticket, although one
> > would prefer to skip being sick to start with. No vaccine is 100% and
> > many are not effective forever. Flu vaccines are notoriously
> > ineffective, but we still take them, and they prevent some infections.
> Who is this "we"? Patients in the US are able to choose whether to get
> a flu shot or not. They should be able to make a choice with respect to
> covid as well. For healthy young people the covid vaccine is almost
> certainly more dangerous, (albeit fairly safe), than infection with covid..

Almost certainly? CDC says that vaccines are safer for young people than the disease, but maybe they are lying to us because they want to kill young people. Personally, I think we should be out to kill the old people to reduce the pressure on the SS/Medicare trusts.

> As for natural immunity, here's a paper based on Israeli data that
> claims considerably more protection from natural immunity than from
> vaccination:
>
> https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
>
> You might note that Israel was and is at the forefront in coercing their
> citizens into covid vaccination. It does not seem to have gone very
> well; last I read they were considering a mandate for boooster #2 (shot
> #4).

The Israel study showed that natural immunity and at least one dose of vaccine provided the best immunity. That's why I mentioned it. Whether their observational retrospective study is accurate is beyond my expertise. https://www.factcheck.org/2021/09/scicheck-instagram-post-missing-context-about-israeli-study-on-covid-19-natural-immunity/ The Yale study uses a different methodology, and I haven't read it completely, but it is peer reviewed and in Lancet. The bottom line for both studies is that getting poked is a plus, whether you're previously infected or not.

-- Jay Beattie.