On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 11:51:05 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 7:42:26 AM UTC+1, Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 1:22:59 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
> > > On 9/28/2021 3:30 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 9:31:40 AM UTC+2, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >
> > > >> Thanks John for trying hopelessly to explain it to Tommy. Germany reunified in 1990 and I was there, in both former parts, in 1992. The only thing I will say against your reply is the good guys and communist side (bad side implied). On the former East side I stopped in a small town and was invited into the house by an old guy. I just sat at the table and drank some water. We could not talk because unlike all the young Germans, he did not know any English. So I just smiled and after a while thanked him with gestures probably and left. Continued my ride. I learned that there are good people in most, many places. The actions, philosophy of the government are not an accurate reflection of the people in a country. This old man probably was fighting for the Nazis in WW2 and lived 47 years under USSR communism. But he seemed good to me.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You visit Germany and you can only communicate in your own language? Fighting for the nazi's, what does that mean? Most of them had to. 32000 poor bastards on a cemetery 30 km from my home:
> > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/1Ho5L7mMteoY7Wc9A
> > > >
> > > > Lou
> > > >
> > > +1
> > > Regular army fought for their country and deserve at least
> > > respect for that. SS & Gestapo are another thing entirely.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Andrew Muzi
> > > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> > The Gestapo was just a police force corrupted by Goering who rolled up a bunch police agencies in Prussia into one, and after him by Himmler who made them into a national secret police. Basically, they were like the Chicago or Los Angeles Police Department: if they resigned, they wouldn't ever again find such a good job. Cops execute the law. Hitler was always very careful to have a law passed to cover his murders, albeit sometimes the day after the murder was committed, as happened when he put down Ernst Rohm's Brownshirts for being a lot more socialist than he was. A superior novel which has a very well researched section on this event is WINTER hy Len Deighton..
> >
> > Andre Jute
> > May as well take our history in agreeable bites.
> Sorry, I started out making a comparison between the SS and the Gestapo and didn't return the the SS.
>
> The SS, by contrast to the policemen in the Gestapo (at least in the beginning), were an elite force of true believers, sort of like a genuinely evil gang of Hell's Angels but with better haircuts and clear linen; it is no accident that their ancient totems are also the totems of the Hell's Angels.. The key thing about them is that they idolized Hitler, and were tied to him personally. For them the oath of loyalty to Hitler personally was not taken with their fingers crossed behind their backs as it was for the Prussian aristocrats who operated the Third Reich's regular army, but enthusiastically.
>
> Andre Jute
> In the end these distinctions did not matter much: everyone was corrupted..

Despite the fairy tales, the Hell's Angels were mostly pretty good guys that would get drunk and start fights. When I was a kid, they were more or less controlled by Sonny Barger who aside from his leadership of the Hell's Angels, was a writer and an actor.

On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 6:28:12 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:43:28 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 2:24:26 PM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 11:43:23 AM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 5:49:02 PM UTC-7, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 3:17:51 PM UTC-7, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 8:48:54 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > > > > > On 9/23/2021 9:55 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > > Trump was entirely self financed. That is why he spent so much less than Hillary.
> > > > > > > Such bullshit!
> > > > > > Frank, you get more hilarious every posting. You ignorance grows by the second. I suppose that like Biden you have serious dementia tearing your brains to pieces. How hard would it have been to look this up? You just can't wrap your mind around your own failures. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/feb/10/donald-trump/donald-trump-self-funding-his-campaign-sort/
> > > > > That article says clearly that Trump's campaign was NOT "entirely self financed" as you claimed.
> > > > > Tom, please find someone who can help you with reading comprehension.
> > > > I could have predicted that you would say that. Trump received money supposedly for his campaign almost entire in the last few months of the election cycle and so that was NOT campaign money but that which ended up in the campaign funds of Republican candidates that were other than Trump.
> > >
> > > Sorry sparky, your weblink states;
> > > "First, Trump’s self-financing only really picked up in the last three months of 2015. From the start of his campaign in April through October last year, individual contributions made up about 67 percent of total money raised for his campaign."
> > >
> > > You might want to try reading a link before you send it, because at no point does that link support your assertion "Trump was entirely self financed". Your delusions are getting worse. I'm actually looking forward to the day when you refuse to use your computer because you're afraid democrats are using it to steal all of your intellectual property.
> >
> > Showing that you just can't read "Trump’s campaign brought in about $19.4 million by the end of 2015. Trump contributed nearly $13 million of that himself.
> > Most of the remainder comes from individual contributions, which federal law caps at $2,700 per candidate per election."
> Which completely disproves your claim "Trump was entirely self financed". Let me make so simple that even _you_ can understand it, sparky: ~19.4M minus ~13M means that ~ 5.6M came from other sources, not trump, which by definition means he was _not_ "entirely self financed". In other words, you are wrong, like you are about most things you post here.
> > We know you're not the sharpest tool in the toolbox, but Trump donated MOST of the additional 47 million to other Republican candidate campaigns.
> Which has absolutely nothing to do with your false claim that "Trump was entirely self financed".
> >
> > What is really funny is that you're telling us that it only took Trump 3 months of campaigning to defeat Hillary. At that rate, I could have beat her in six months.
> Which also has absolutely nothing to do with your false claim that "Trump was entirely self financed". the only thing you beat hillary at is being an ignorant arrogant narcissistic asshole.
Again proving that you're not the sharpest tool in the box. If the "donations" were handed over to the Republican party for other campaigns Trump was still funded by himself. Another Jr. G-man in action. Perhaps you're not that sharp as a CPA either.

On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 11:19:27 AM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:

> Again proving that you're not the sharpest tool in the box.

Way sharper than an ignorant arrogant narcissistic asshole who claims "Trump was entirely self financed" then posts a link showing the claim isn't true.

> If the "donations" were handed over to the Republican party for other campaigns Trump was still funded by himself.

That's the kind of logic that left you losing money during the Obama administration while everyone else made money. It doesn't work that way, sparky.

> Another Jr. G-man in action. Perhaps you're not that sharp as a CPA either.

I've never worked for the government, and never claimed to be a financial or accounting expert. I didn't need to be, it was easy to make money during the obama administration, you just had to _not_ be an ignorant arrogant narcissistic asshole, and even most of them made money. Sucks to be you.....

On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 11:04:03 AM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 6:38:27 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 8:25:58 PM UTC-5, News 2021 wrote:
> > > On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 07:56:45 -0700, Tom Kunich scribed:
> > > > I also have no pity for
> > > > the present American politicians who STARTED this administration with an
> > > > illegal invasion of Syria that STILL hasn't been reported on the Slime
> > > > Stream Media.
> > > Perhaps the 'slime media' have trouble differentiating the 'illegal
> > > invasion of Syria' from the other regular 'illegal invasions' carried out
> > > by the USA.
> > Needless to say, I am having a little trouble figuring out what exactly Tommy boy is talking about. We have been monkeying around inside of Syria since 2013. Obama started it I guess. Bad Obama!!!! But Trump was happy, happy, happy to continue it. And I guess Biden is still there too.
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American-led_intervention_in_the_Syrian_civil_war
> > "On 23 November 2019, the head of U.S. Central Command stated there was no "end date" on the U.S.'s intervention in Syria."
> > Trumpy was president in November 2019, I'll state that just in case Tommy boy wants to dispute that real simple fact.
>
> Why are you so stupid? Trump removed ALL American troops from Syria

Sure he did, sparky:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/19/us-deploys-additional-troops-and-armoured-vehicles-to-eastern-syria

"US Bradley fighting vehicles were pulled out of the region last October by Donald Trump, who tried in early 2019 to recall all US troops from Syria, before agreeing to leave a few hundred to protect oil wells."

I guess we can add trump removing ALL trooops from syria to your list of delusions along with obama causing the last recession, right?

On 9/29/2021 10:16 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 11:51:05 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>> On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 7:42:26 AM UTC+1, Andre Jute wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 1:22:59 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 9/28/2021 3:30 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 9:31:40 AM UTC+2, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks John for trying hopelessly to explain it to Tommy. Germany reunified in 1990 and I was there, in both former parts, in 1992. The only thing I will say against your reply is the good guys and communist side (bad side implied). On the former East side I stopped in a small town and was invited into the house by an old guy. I just sat at the table and drank some water. We could not talk because unlike all the young Germans, he did not know any English. So I just smiled and after a while thanked him with gestures probably and left. Continued my ride. I learned that there are good people in most, many places. The actions, philosophy of the government are not an accurate reflection of the people in a country. This old man probably was fighting for the Nazis in WW2 and lived 47 years under USSR communism. But he seemed good to me.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You visit Germany and you can only communicate in your own language? Fighting for the nazi's, what does that mean? Most of them had to. 32000 poor bastards on a cemetery 30 km from my home:
>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/1Ho5L7mMteoY7Wc9A
>>>>>
>>>>> Lou
>>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>> Regular army fought for their country and deserve at least
>>>> respect for that. SS & Gestapo are another thing entirely.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Andrew Muzi
>>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>> The Gestapo was just a police force corrupted by Goering who rolled up a bunch police agencies in Prussia into one, and after him by Himmler who made them into a national secret police. Basically, they were like the Chicago or Los Angeles Police Department: if they resigned, they wouldn't ever again find such a good job. Cops execute the law. Hitler was always very careful to have a law passed to cover his murders, albeit sometimes the day after the murder was committed, as happened when he put down Ernst Rohm's Brownshirts for being a lot more socialist than he was. A superior novel which has a very well researched section on this event is WINTER hy Len Deighton.
>>>
>>> Andre Jute
>>> May as well take our history in agreeable bites.
>> Sorry, I started out making a comparison between the SS and the Gestapo and didn't return the the SS.
>>
>> The SS, by contrast to the policemen in the Gestapo (at least in the beginning), were an elite force of true believers, sort of like a genuinely evil gang of Hell's Angels but with better haircuts and clear linen; it is no accident that their ancient totems are also the totems of the Hell's Angels. The key thing about them is that they idolized Hitler, and were tied to him personally. For them the oath of loyalty to Hitler personally was not taken with their fingers crossed behind their backs as it was for the Prussian aristocrats who operated the Third Reich's regular army, but enthusiastically.
>>
>> Andre Jute
>> In the end these distinctions did not matter much: everyone was corrupted.
>
> Despite the fairy tales, the Hell's Angels were mostly pretty good guys that would get drunk and start fights. When I was a kid, they were more or less controlled by Sonny Barger who aside from his leadership of the Hell's Angels, was a writer and an actor.
>

I read his biography but I've also read the indictments and
rap sheets of Mr Barger's pals.
It's a decidedly mixed bag - less angel and a lot of hell.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 8:45:55 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 11:04:03 AM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 6:38:27 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 8:25:58 PM UTC-5, News 2021 wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 07:56:45 -0700, Tom Kunich scribed:
> > > > > I also have no pity for
> > > > > the present American politicians who STARTED this administration with an
> > > > > illegal invasion of Syria that STILL hasn't been reported on the Slime
> > > > > Stream Media.
> > > > Perhaps the 'slime media' have trouble differentiating the 'illegal
> > > > invasion of Syria' from the other regular 'illegal invasions' carried out
> > > > by the USA.
> > > Needless to say, I am having a little trouble figuring out what exactly Tommy boy is talking about. We have been monkeying around inside of Syria since 2013. Obama started it I guess. Bad Obama!!!! But Trump was happy, happy, happy to continue it. And I guess Biden is still there too.
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American-led_intervention_in_the_Syrian_civil_war
> > > "On 23 November 2019, the head of U.S. Central Command stated there was no "end date" on the U.S.'s intervention in Syria."
> > > Trumpy was president in November 2019, I'll state that just in case Tommy boy wants to dispute that real simple fact.
> >
> > Why are you so stupid? Trump removed ALL American troops from Syria
> Sure he did, sparky:
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/19/us-deploys-additional-troops-and-armoured-vehicles-to-eastern-syria
>
> "US Bradley fighting vehicles were pulled out of the region last October by Donald Trump, who tried in early 2019 to recall all US troops from Syria, before agreeing to leave a few hundred to protect oil wells."
>
> I guess we can add trump removing ALL trooops from syria to your list of delusions along with obama causing the last recession, right?
Again proving your supreme ignorance. Apparently you cannot tell the difference between supporting al Qaeda (who caused 911) and offering VERY limited support to the legal elected government of Syria to counter Russian intrusions. Please continue on since I'm sure that the Syrian government would be interested in your views.

On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 10:01:02 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 9/29/2021 10:16 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 11:51:05 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 7:42:26 AM UTC+1, Andre Jute wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 1:22:59 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>> On 9/28/2021 3:30 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 9:31:40 AM UTC+2, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks John for trying hopelessly to explain it to Tommy. Germany reunified in 1990 and I was there, in both former parts, in 1992. The only thing I will say against your reply is the good guys and communist side (bad side implied). On the former East side I stopped in a small town and was invited into the house by an old guy. I just sat at the table and drank some water. We could not talk because unlike all the young Germans, he did not know any English. So I just smiled and after a while thanked him with gestures probably and left. Continued my ride. I learned that there are good people in most, many places. The actions, philosophy of the government are not an accurate reflection of the people in a country. This old man probably was fighting for the Nazis in WW2 and lived 47 years under USSR communism. But he seemed good to me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You visit Germany and you can only communicate in your own language? Fighting for the nazi's, what does that mean? Most of them had to. 32000 poor bastards on a cemetery 30 km from my home:
> >>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/1Ho5L7mMteoY7Wc9A
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Lou
> >>>>>
> >>>> +1
> >>>> Regular army fought for their country and deserve at least
> >>>> respect for that. SS & Gestapo are another thing entirely.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Andrew Muzi
> >>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> >>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >>> The Gestapo was just a police force corrupted by Goering who rolled up a bunch police agencies in Prussia into one, and after him by Himmler who made them into a national secret police. Basically, they were like the Chicago or Los Angeles Police Department: if they resigned, they wouldn't ever again find such a good job. Cops execute the law. Hitler was always very careful to have a law passed to cover his murders, albeit sometimes the day after the murder was committed, as happened when he put down Ernst Rohm's Brownshirts for being a lot more socialist than he was. A superior novel which has a very well researched section on this event is WINTER hy Len Deighton.
> >>>
> >>> Andre Jute
> >>> May as well take our history in agreeable bites.
> >> Sorry, I started out making a comparison between the SS and the Gestapo and didn't return the the SS.
> >>
> >> The SS, by contrast to the policemen in the Gestapo (at least in the beginning), were an elite force of true believers, sort of like a genuinely evil gang of Hell's Angels but with better haircuts and clear linen; it is no accident that their ancient totems are also the totems of the Hell's Angels. The key thing about them is that they idolized Hitler, and were tied to him personally. For them the oath of loyalty to Hitler personally was not taken with their fingers crossed behind their backs as it was for the Prussian aristocrats who operated the Third Reich's regular army, but enthusiastically.
> >>
> >> Andre Jute
> >> In the end these distinctions did not matter much: everyone was corrupted.
> >
> > Despite the fairy tales, the Hell's Angels were mostly pretty good guys that would get drunk and start fights. When I was a kid, they were more or less controlled by Sonny Barger who aside from his leadership of the Hell's Angels, was a writer and an actor.
> >
> I read his biography but I've also read the indictments and
> rap sheets of Mr Barger's pals.
> It's a decidedly mixed bag - less angel and a lot of hell.

They were a bunch of hell raising drunks, but in those days they weren't at all unusual.

On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 08:01:54 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 9/28/2021 8:58 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 01:25:55 -0000 (UTC), News 2021
>> <news21@woa.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 07:56:45 -0700, Tom Kunich scribed:
>>>
>>>> I also have no pity for
>>>> the present American politicians who STARTED this administration with an
>>>> illegal invasion of Syria that STILL hasn't been reported on the Slime
>>>> Stream Media.
>>>
>>> Perhaps the 'slime media' have trouble differentiating the 'illegal
>>> invasion of Syria' from the other regular 'illegal invasions' carried out
>>> by the USA.
>>
>> But aren't all invasions essentially an illegal act?
>>
>
>Not Kuwait.

??? Their invasion? Or ours?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 07:51:40 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 4:50:18 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 10:59:20 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>> >On 9/28/2021 9:56 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 1:30:51 AM UTC-7, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 9:31:40 AM UTC+2, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >>>> On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 9:55:14 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> >>>>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 2:28:49 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 10:32:40 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> Will you EVER stop with your bullshit? Mountain roads in Italy, Spain and France are often gravel or broken down asphalt.
>> >>>>>>> So it is very obvious that you a Trump licking Republican, have never ever actually been to Europe. I have. Three times. I have cycled on the Dolomites in northern Italy, the Alps in Switzerland, and lots of hilly roads in France and Portugal and Spain. And lots of roads in many other western European countries too. All the roads I was on were paved asphalt. No gravel and no broken down asphalt either. Europeans know how to keep excellent roads.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Fun story I like to tell. I rode from Czechoslovakia to Germany. I rode into the former East Germany. Germany was reunited when I was there in 1992. When I crossed the line between former East and West, it was as obvious as the nose on your face. The road went from old cracked to smooth new. Even the plants changed at the line. Scraggly dying brush on the East side and instantly blossoming green vibrant trees and grass on the West side. Startling change right at that line between free and enslaved.
>> >>>>>> You are telling everyone here that you prefer communism? Well then North Korea is just for you. So long and don't let the door hit you in the ass.
>> >>>>> Jeasus! You really don't have a clue, do you. The East side of the
>> >>>>> line, that he was talking about, with the "Scraggly dying brush" was
>> >>>>> the Communist side and the West side with the "blossoming green
>> >>>>> vibrant trees" was the side of the "good guys".
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> John B.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks John for trying hopelessly to explain it to Tommy. Germany reunified in 1990 and I was there, in both former parts, in 1992. The only thing I will say against your reply is the good guys and communist side (bad side implied). On the former East side I stopped in a small town and was invited into the house by an old guy. I just sat at the table and drank some water. We could not talk because unlike all the young Germans, he did not know any English. So I just smiled and after a while thanked him with gestures probably and left. Continued my ride. I learned that there are good people in most, many places. The actions, philosophy of the government are not an accurate reflection of the people in a country. This old man probably was fighting for the Nazis in WW2 and lived 47 years under USSR communism. But he seemed good to me.
>> >>> You visit Germany and you can only communicate in your own language? Fighting for the nazi's, what does that mean? Most of them had to. 32000 poor bastards on a cemetery 30 km from my home:
>> >>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/1Ho5L7mMteoY7Wc9A
>> >>
>> >> After Germany was defeated and civilians were putting up white flags to show they were offering no resistance, the SS was going door to door dragging civilians out into the street and executing them. On the other side of the coin several SS officers were involved the anti-Hitler resistance after they discovered what he was doing. I have no pity for anyone who believed in Deutschland uber alles. I also have no pity for the present American politicians who STARTED this administration with an illegal invasion of Syria that STILL hasn't been reported on the Slime Stream Media.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Uh, no.
>> >Valkyrie Plot was regular Army not SS. It's well documented,
>> >not a mystery.
>> I think that his reference to "the SS was going door to door" is
>> actually a reference to the German authorities ordered the
>> establishment of summary Courts; these were mobile tribunals set up to
>> track down deserters (or suspected deserters) and hang them.
>> Established February 15, 1945.
>>
>> I have read reference to this in a number of publications always in
>> reference to the fall of Berlin and from what I read were carried out
>> by German Army personnel.
>
>John, these SS groups were marauders and nothing else. They were not looking for deserters though they might have found some. They were executing mainly German civilians who were marking their own homes with a white flag to show that they intended no resistance to the Allies. This wasn't a case or two but often entire villages starting with the mayor of the town.

And you know this how? You were there watching? You have a valid
reference written by a witness? Or you just made it up?

By the way, here's' some photos of Berlin in 1945. See all the white
flags?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52572544
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 12:22:52 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 07:51:40 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> After Germany was defeated and civilians were putting up white flags to show they were offering no resistance, the SS was going door to door dragging civilians out into the street and executing them. On the other side of the coin several SS officers were involved the anti-Hitler resistance after they discovered what he was doing. I have no pity for anyone who believed in Deutschland uber alles. I also have no pity for the present American politicians who STARTED this administration with an illegal invasion of Syria that STILL hasn't been reported on the Slime Stream Media.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Uh, no.
> >> >Valkyrie Plot was regular Army not SS. It's well documented,
> >> >not a mystery.
> >> I think that his reference to "the SS was going door to door" is
> >> actually a reference to the German authorities ordered the
> >> establishment of summary Courts; these were mobile tribunals set up to
> >> track down deserters (or suspected deserters) and hang them.
> >> Established February 15, 1945.
> >>
> >> I have read reference to this in a number of publications always in
> >> reference to the fall of Berlin and from what I read were carried out
> >> by German Army personnel.
> >
> >John, these SS groups were marauders and nothing else. They were not looking for deserters though they might have found some. They were executing mainly German civilians who were marking their own homes with a white flag to show that they intended no resistance to the Allies. This wasn't a case or two but often entire villages starting with the mayor of the town.
> And you know this how? You were there watching? You have a valid
> reference written by a witness? Or you just made it up?
>
> By the way, here's' some photos of Berlin in 1945. See all the white
> flags?
> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52572544
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.
..
Christina Bielenberg, a reliable witness (an English housewife who spent the war in Germany), also told of the white sheets in the windows. In any event, Slow Johnny, in only the the third photograph from the top in YOUR link, I can see white sheets in windows.

Every time you open your mouth, Shortass, you demonstrate again that you can't manage to scrape up two grains of brains to scratch together. This is another example. There is a time, obvious to thoughtful people, to put up a white flag to tell enemies you're not resisting, and a time before it when it is lethal to put up a white flag because brutalized Russian took these as markers of the easiest victims, and a time before that when it was lethal to put up a white flag because the last idolizers of Adolf Hitler would regard you as a traitor and off you permanently.

For everyone with better discrimination than Slow Johnny, I really loved the description by the pinkos at the BBC of Russian front line soldiers at Berlin distributing soup and tea. A few may have (I'd like to see documentation and photographs); nothing is impossible. But Stalin's shock troops weren't an elite force but the scrapings of the earth after it was salted with Chinese fertilizer, released from jail or the gulag to "fight for the Rodina".

I knew a woman who was gang-raped by the first Russian soldiers into Berlin.. She and the resulting child had relatives in South Africa who took them in, and in the goodness of time she married a farmer, rich as Croesus, who built her a brilliant, huge home on a hill, and took her daughter as his own.. But not all such stories had fairy-tale endings. The first part was a commonplace, though.

Andre Jute
Just as well Stalin sent the survivors of the taking of Berlin straight through to Siberia.

On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 07:53:12 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 4:53:31 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 09:36:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 9:00:19 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >> On 9/28/2021 11:43 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > I have SHOWN the CDC statistics that only 2,000 people died of a respiratory disease more than normal and it was entirely in Mach and April of 2020.
>> >> Why are you not protesting at your state capitol? You could put that
>> >> statement on a sign on a stick!
>> >>
>> >> For maximum effectiveness, wear a robe and sandals as you march. It's
>> >> the right image.
>> >>
>> >> But please put your name at the bottom of the sign. Your reputation
>> >> needs to spread beyond this little group.
>> >
>> >Frank, again, I suggest you say these sorts of things in front of the normal people you call your friends so that you can discover who your friends are and who is beating you to death.
>> What ever are you going on about Tommy? Her's Frank advocating that
>> you get up off your butt and get out there and become famous.
>>
>> And you are insulting and threatening him.
>
>John, you certainly spend a great deal of time being a fool. Do you just like the costume?

Costume? You means shorts and a tee shirt? Shoot! I don't even wear
shoes.... well, unless I'm going to a wedding or a wake.

But I repeat, there's Frank urging you to get out and get famous and
there's you insulting him. Aren't you the humble little boy?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 08:00:08 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 6:46:33 PM UTC-7, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 8:31:13 PM UTC-5, News 2021 wrote:
>> > On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 08:28:36 -0700, Tom Kunich scribed:
>> > > "Freshman" That shows what a mothering POS you are. Right now if you
>> > > were within reach I would beat your face into putty. Please say that in
>> > > your own group. I am sure that you will get the same response.
>> > Hey, silly little tommy; do you know what a freshman is?
>> > Or is this some CA sub-tribe slang?
>> I will admit to not picking up on that one. Tommy has reminded us many times he did not graduate from high school. He has no high school diploma. He claims to have dropped out during his senior year in high school. Supposedly to join the air force. But based upon the number of times John has corrected his misstatements about the air force, that is very questionable. We are assuming Tommy completed his freshman, sophomore, and junior years before becoming a senior in high school. But since Tommy is a genius, as he tells us constantly, he may have just skipped all those grades and started as a senior. That is very likely. So he never was a freshman in school. And of course we know Tommy never ever enrolled in college so he was not a college freshman. So it is very likely that Tommy does not know what a freshman is.
>More inventive comments from another fool. A cowardly CPA who was frightened for his own life to join the service. My best friend was a 5' tall Japanese kid who joined the Marine Corp as a lifer. But you couldn't have made it through Army basic training let along a Marine. You couldn't make it though Navy basic training. And as for the Air Force, that little black TI I had would have broken you down to tears in 5 seconds. You are a nothing, you've always been a nothing and will always be a nothing because that is what you like to be.

Goodness gracious, the trials and tribulations of Basic Training. And
yes the TI did holler and scream. Especially at those who just
couldn't figure out which way was left and which way was right. Oh
yes, and also those that couldn't make their bed properly.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 08:11:29 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 6:50:07 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 17:58:01 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 3:30:51 AM UTC-5, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 9:31:40 AM UTC+2, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> > On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 9:55:14 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> >> > > On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> > > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 2:28:49 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> > > >> On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 10:32:40 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > > >> > Will you EVER stop with your bullshit? Mountain roads in Italy, Spain and France are often gravel or broken down asphalt.
>> >> > > >> So it is very obvious that you a Trump licking Republican, have never ever actually been to Europe. I have. Three times. I have cycled on the Dolomites in northern Italy, the Alps in Switzerland, and lots of hilly roads in France and Portugal and Spain. And lots of roads in many other western European countries too. All the roads I was on were paved asphalt. No gravel and no broken down asphalt either. Europeans know how to keep excellent roads.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Fun story I like to tell. I rode from Czechoslovakia to Germany. I rode into the former East Germany. Germany was reunited when I was there in 1992. When I crossed the line between former East and West, it was as obvious as the nose on your face. The road went from old cracked to smooth new. Even the plants changed at the line. Scraggly dying brush on the East side and instantly blossoming green vibrant trees and grass on the West side. Startling change right at that line between free and enslaved.
>> >> > > >You are telling everyone here that you prefer communism? Well then North Korea is just for you. So long and don't let the door hit you in the ass.
>> >> > > Jeasus! You really don't have a clue, do you. The East side of the
>> >> > > line, that he was talking about, with the "Scraggly dying brush" was
>> >> > > the Communist side and the West side with the "blossoming green
>> >> > > vibrant trees" was the side of the "good guys".
>> >> > >
>> >> > > John B.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks John for trying hopelessly to explain it to Tommy. Germany reunified in 1990 and I was there, in both former parts, in 1992. The only thing I will say against your reply is the good guys and communist side (bad side implied). On the former East side I stopped in a small town and was invited into the house by an old guy. I just sat at the table and drank some water. We could not talk because unlike all the young Germans, he did not know any English. So I just smiled and after a while thanked him with gestures probably and left. Continued my ride. I learned that there are good people in most, many places. The actions, philosophy of the government are not an accurate reflection of the people in a country. This old man probably was fighting for the Nazis in WW2 and lived 47 years under USSR communism. But he seemed good to me.
>> >> You visit Germany and you can only communicate in your own language? Fighting for the nazi's, what does that mean? Most of them had to. 32000 poor bastards on a cemetery 30 km from my home:
>> >> https://photos.app.goo.gl/1Ho5L7mMteoY7Wc9A
>> >>
>> >> Lou
>> >
>> >I also visited Italy, Austria, Switzerland, Czechoslovakia, Netherlands, Belgium on that ride. But I only speak English. Can you communicate in the native language of all the countries I visited? I probably also communicated with impromptu sign language and gestures too.
>> >
>> >Maybe us Americans lump Germany and Nazis into one category when discussing WW2. I believe Nazi was a political party represented by Hitler. Everyone in Germany was not part of the Nazi political party. And not everyone who fought in WW2 from Germany was a member of the Nazi party. But Nazis and Germany are considered the same thing to Americans when referring to WW2. Kind of like we say Netherlands, Dutch, Holland. All the same thing to us. But technically, officially, to you there are probably differences.
>> The 1933 election gave the National Socialist German Workers' Party
>> (NAZI) some 37.3% of the votes in the national election and Hitler was
>> appointed as Chancellor of Germany on 30 January 1933 and in March
>> 1933 the Enabling Act gave the German Cabinet—most importantly, the
>> Chancellor—the powers to make and enforce laws without the involvement
>> of the Reichstag whereupon the Nazi party became the dominating factor
>> in the German Government and thus Germany.
>>
>> As to how popular the Nazi party was? Unemployment was some 6 million
>> 1933, when the Nazi party came into power and 3.3 million in 1934 and
>> by 1939 it was about 300,000. German currency was 4.2 to US$1.00 in
>> 1933 and 2.61/$1,00 in 1934.
>> >I visited the cemeteries at Normandy beach in France. Very somber. Oddly, the one thing that has remained with me from that visit was how well the grass was cut. Not a single blade of grass was out of place. I am positive the groundskeepers who were not good enough to cut the grass at Normandy were exported back to the US and assigned the second rate job of cutting grass at the White House.
>
>At what point will you stop cutting and pasting things out of the Internet that you don't understand John? Germany was in a DEEP depression because of the financial burden that they were supposed to pay for WW I. Hitler simply said "Screw you, we ain't paying no more". He built a military despite the treaty forbidding it so that no other European country dared to try and enforce the treaty. THAT is why Hitler became so popular so fast. Then he was given still more power by the weakness of the other countries failure to enforce what from the very first was and unfair and unenforceable treaty. And as always; power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Tommy, the Nazi's in their first year of government did decrease
unemployment by 50% and did increase the value of the German currency
to double it's previous value. Don't you think that the German public
wasn't clapping their hands and shouting Hooray?

I read that total nonfarm employees were 145,627,000 in January 2017
and 141,735,000 in September 2020, a decrease of about 2.6% in 4
years, and you leap up and down and shout Wonderful! Wonderful!

>You understand nothing of the world outside of your little sphere and you don't have any idea of how to recognize the true meaning of anything. Will you STOP your stupidity?

Outside my little sphere? Oh! You mean the sphere of a 77 year old,
brain damaged individual who wasn't intelligent enough to graduate
from high school, still lives in his mother's house, obviously never
wealthy enough to buy his own home, and exists on Social Security and
buying and selling second hand stuff on the Internet?

All I can say is, "Thank the Lord!"
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 9/29/2021 7:05 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 12:22:52 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 07:51:40 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> After Germany was defeated and civilians were putting up white flags to show they were offering no resistance, the SS was going door to door dragging civilians out into the street and executing them. On the other side of the coin several SS officers were involved the anti-Hitler resistance after they discovered what he was doing. I have no pity for anyone who believed in Deutschland uber alles. I also have no pity for the present American politicians who STARTED this administration with an illegal invasion of Syria that STILL hasn't been reported on the Slime Stream Media.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Uh, no.
>>>>> Valkyrie Plot was regular Army not SS. It's well documented,
>>>>> not a mystery.
>>>> I think that his reference to "the SS was going door to door" is
>>>> actually a reference to the German authorities ordered the
>>>> establishment of summary Courts; these were mobile tribunals set up to
>>>> track down deserters (or suspected deserters) and hang them.
>>>> Established February 15, 1945.
>>>>
>>>> I have read reference to this in a number of publications always in
>>>> reference to the fall of Berlin and from what I read were carried out
>>>> by German Army personnel.
>>>
>>> John, these SS groups were marauders and nothing else. They were not looking for deserters though they might have found some. They were executing mainly German civilians who were marking their own homes with a white flag to show that they intended no resistance to the Allies. This wasn't a case or two but often entire villages starting with the mayor of the town.
>> And you know this how? You were there watching? You have a valid
>> reference written by a witness? Or you just made it up?
>>
>> By the way, here's' some photos of Berlin in 1945. See all the white
>> flags?
>> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52572544
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
> .
> Christina Bielenberg, a reliable witness (an English housewife who spent the war in Germany), also told of the white sheets in the windows. In any event, Slow Johnny, in only the the third photograph from the top in YOUR link, I can see white sheets in windows.
>
> Every time you open your mouth, Shortass, you demonstrate again that you can't manage to scrape up two grains of brains to scratch together. This is another example. There is a time, obvious to thoughtful people, to put up a white flag to tell enemies you're not resisting, and a time before it when it is lethal to put up a white flag because brutalized Russian took these as markers of the easiest victims, and a time before that when it was lethal to put up a white flag because the last idolizers of Adolf Hitler would regard you as a traitor and off you permanently.
>
> For everyone with better discrimination than Slow Johnny, I really loved the description by the pinkos at the BBC of Russian front line soldiers at Berlin distributing soup and tea. A few may have (I'd like to see documentation and photographs); nothing is impossible. But Stalin's shock troops weren't an elite force but the scrapings of the earth after it was salted with Chinese fertilizer, released from jail or the gulag to "fight for the Rodina".
>
> I knew a woman who was gang-raped by the first Russian soldiers into Berlin. She and the resulting child had relatives in South Africa who took them in, and in the goodness of time she married a farmer, rich as Croesus, who built her a brilliant, huge home on a hill, and took her daughter as his own. But not all such stories had fairy-tale endings. The first part was a commonplace, though.
>
> Andre Jute
> Just as well Stalin sent the survivors of the taking of Berlin straight through to Siberia.
>

Yes, there's plenty of period eyewitness literature:

https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/a-woman-in-berlin-eight-weeks-in-the-conquered-city-a-diary_anonymous_marta-hillers/257329/?resultid=881edd5e-e052-431e-aea9-1e25c57ad080#isbn=0312426119

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 19:55:48 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 9/29/2021 7:05 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
>> On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 12:22:52 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
>>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 07:51:40 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> After Germany was defeated and civilians were putting up white flags to show they were offering no resistance, the SS was going door to door dragging civilians out into the street and executing them. On the other side of the coin several SS officers were involved the anti-Hitler resistance after they discovered what he was doing. I have no pity for anyone who believed in Deutschland uber alles. I also have no pity for the present American politicians who STARTED this administration with an illegal invasion of Syria that STILL hasn't been reported on the Slime Stream Media.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Uh, no.
>>>>>> Valkyrie Plot was regular Army not SS. It's well documented,
>>>>>> not a mystery.
>>>>> I think that his reference to "the SS was going door to door" is
>>>>> actually a reference to the German authorities ordered the
>>>>> establishment of summary Courts; these were mobile tribunals set up to
>>>>> track down deserters (or suspected deserters) and hang them.
>>>>> Established February 15, 1945.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have read reference to this in a number of publications always in
>>>>> reference to the fall of Berlin and from what I read were carried out
>>>>> by German Army personnel.
>>>>
>>>> John, these SS groups were marauders and nothing else. They were not looking for deserters though they might have found some. They were executing mainly German civilians who were marking their own homes with a white flag to show that they intended no resistance to the Allies. This wasn't a case or two but often entire villages starting with the mayor of the town.
>>> And you know this how? You were there watching? You have a valid
>>> reference written by a witness? Or you just made it up?
>>>
>>> By the way, here's' some photos of Berlin in 1945. See all the white
>>> flags?
>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52572544
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> John B.
>> .
>> Christina Bielenberg, a reliable witness (an English housewife who spent the war in Germany), also told of the white sheets in the windows. In any event, Slow Johnny, in only the the third photograph from the top in YOUR link, I can see white sheets in windows.
>>
>> Every time you open your mouth, Shortass, you demonstrate again that you can't manage to scrape up two grains of brains to scratch together. This is another example. There is a time, obvious to thoughtful people, to put up a white flag to tell enemies you're not resisting, and a time before it when it is lethal to put up a white flag because brutalized Russian took these as markers of the easiest victims, and a time before that when it was lethal to put up a white flag because the last idolizers of Adolf Hitler would regard you as a traitor and off you permanently.
>>
>> For everyone with better discrimination than Slow Johnny, I really loved the description by the pinkos at the BBC of Russian front line soldiers at Berlin distributing soup and tea. A few may have (I'd like to see documentation and photographs); nothing is impossible. But Stalin's shock troops weren't an elite force but the scrapings of the earth after it was salted with Chinese fertilizer, released from jail or the gulag to "fight for the Rodina".
>>
>> I knew a woman who was gang-raped by the first Russian soldiers into Berlin. She and the resulting child had relatives in South Africa who took them in, and in the goodness of time she married a farmer, rich as Croesus, who built her a brilliant, huge home on a hill, and took her daughter as his own. But not all such stories had fairy-tale endings. The first part was a commonplace, though.
>>
>> Andre Jute
>> Just as well Stalin sent the survivors of the taking of Berlin straight through to Siberia.
>>
>
>Yes, there's plenty of period eyewitness literature:
>
>
>https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/a-woman-in-berlin-eight-weeks-in-the-conquered-city-a-diary_anonymous_marta-hillers/257329/?resultid=881edd5e-e052-431e-aea9-1e25c57ad080#isbn=0312426119

I didn't read the book, but from other accounts I have read it would
seen that the German population, in Berlin, was terrified of the
invading Russians, the book you mention even refers to "the mass rape
suffered by all" which makes me doubtful that any "white flags" were
waved as they would be very much a matter of announcing "here I am,
come and get me".
From the book The Fall of Berlin 1945
They (the Russians) wreaked havoc—tanks crushing refugee columns, mass
rape, pillage, and unimaginable destruction. Hundreds of thousands of
women and children froze to death or were massacred; more than seven
million fled westward from the fury of the Red Army. It was the most
terrifying example of fire and sword ever known.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 10:00:12 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> More inventive comments from another fool. A cowardly CPA who was frightened for his own life to join the service. My best friend was a 5' tall Japanese kid who joined the Marine Corp as a lifer. But you couldn't have made it through Army basic training let along a Marine. You couldn't make it though Navy basic training. And as for the Air Force, that little black TI I had would have broken you down to tears in 5 seconds. You are a nothing, you've always been a nothing and will always be a nothing because that is what you like to be.

There are a number of reasons why I did not join the military. But I don't think fright was one of them. My Dad served in the Army in the mid 1950s. Back when every American male had to serve in the military or go to college. My Dad tried to go to college. But as he told me, "The money ran out." So he went to the Army for two years. The Army did pay for him to go to college afterwards. I remember as a child my Dad telling us kids that he never wanted any of us to go to the military. I've always remembered him telling us kids that. I'm guessing he learned how bad military service is when he put in his two years of service.

You have claimed to have joined the Air Force after high school. I'm not sure how you were able to do that because I thought the military branches required all its applicants to have a high school education. And you did not.. But maybe in the 1960s they looked the other way and took anybody. During the Vietnam War, the Army saw all the action. Not the Air Force or Navy.. Probably the Marines saw action too. But you were in the Air Force. Most likely because you were frightened of fighting. Frightened of dying. Frightened of killing. Air Force and Navy were put in your time and you're done branches. Safe and secure. No actual danger. Frightened Tommy.

Now I am not ridiculing you. Or mocking you. No no no. I had an uncle in the 1970s who joined the Navy after high school to avoid conscription. He graduated from high school, unlike you. He did not want to die in the Army. So he put in his four years in the Navy. All for the good. He went to college afterwards. I had another uncle who did serve in the Army during Vietnam. He did not die fortunately.

On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 10:16:25 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Despite the fairy tales, the Hell's Angels were mostly pretty good guys that would get drunk and start fights. When I was a kid, they were more or less controlled by Sonny Barger who aside from his leadership of the Hell's Angels, was a writer and an actor.

Trump in response to the Proud Boys, Neo-Nazis rally in Charlottesville Virginia where someone ran over and murdered a demonstrator.
"but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides."

Tommy is a mini Trump.

On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 7:27:46 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> Goodness gracious, the trials and tribulations of Basic Training. And
> yes the TI did holler and scream. Especially at those who just
> couldn't figure out which way was left and which way was right. Oh
> yes, and also those that couldn't make their bed properly.
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

Guessing TI means Training Instructor. Why didn't the Air Force just call them Drill Sergeants?
Somewhat funny, and at the same time appalling, story my Dad told me about his time in the Army. He and all the other soldiers got off the boat in Anchorage. Middle of winter. 0 degrees. Strong wind. Probably 20 below wind chill. All the soldiers standing in line on the dock. And some A hole drill sergeant was walking up and down the line screaming at them. For no reason. Any intelligent person or institute, which the Army is not, would have gotten out of the wind and cold and inside where it was warm. But not the Army. They thought it best to stand outside in the below freezing temperature and scream at the men.

On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 22:12:17 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 10:00:12 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> More inventive comments from another fool. A cowardly CPA who was frightened for his own life to join the service. My best friend was a 5' tall Japanese kid who joined the Marine Corp as a lifer. But you couldn't have made it through Army basic training let along a Marine. You couldn't make it though Navy basic training. And as for the Air Force, that little black TI I had would have broken you down to tears in 5 seconds. You are a nothing, you've always been a nothing and will always be a nothing because that is what you like to be.
>
>
>There are a number of reasons why I did not join the military. But I don't think fright was one of them. My Dad served in the Army in the mid 1950s. Back when every American male had to serve in the military or go to college. My Dad tried to go to college. But as he told me, "The money ran out." So he went to the Army for two years. The Army did pay for him to go to college afterwards. I remember as a child my Dad telling us kids that he never wanted any of us to go to the military. I've always remembered him telling us kids that. I'm guessing he learned how bad military service is when he put in his two years of service.
>
I, on the other hand, enlisted in the Air Force in 1952, and frankly
never found too much that was distasteful. Of course, you had to keep
your clothes clean and neat and you had to make your bed and sweep
around your bunk and shine your shoes and, lets see, well you had to
go to work on time and do what your boss told you to do, and meals
were at set times... and they didn't pay you much money but board and
room is worth something, quite a lot, actually, in today's America
(:-)

And, you might even get free trips to exotic places, as a result of
which, I've learned to speak a certain amount of Japanese, Vietnamese,
Thai, Indonesian and Malaysian and even a few words of Chinese. Try
that in your stateside job (:-)

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 22:36:02 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 7:27:46 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> Goodness gracious, the trials and tribulations of Basic Training. And
>> yes the TI did holler and scream. Especially at those who just
>> couldn't figure out which way was left and which way was right. Oh
>> yes, and also those that couldn't make their bed properly.
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
>
>Guessing TI means Training Instructor. Why didn't the Air Force just call them Drill Sergeants?
>Somewhat funny, and at the same time appalling, story my Dad told me about his time ? Where? in the Army. He and all the other soldiers got off the boat in Anchorage. Middle of winter. 0 degrees. Strong wind. Probably 20 below wind chill. All the soldiers standing in line on the dock. And some A hole drill sergeant was walking up and down the line screaming at them. For no reason. Any intelligent person or institute, which the Army is not, would have gotten out of the wind and cold and inside where it was warm. But not the Army. They thought it best to stand outside in the below freezing temperature and scream at the men.

The Air Force "Drill Instructor" has had various titles over the
years. I believe that they are now called "Military Training
Instructor", or MTI.

About the Sergeant shouting at the troops... well I don't want to
disparage your father, but frankly, after 20 years of service - ended
up a Master Sergeant - it doesn't make much sense as stated.

If, for example, there was some transportation arriving shortly then
yes, it makes sense for them to stand there and wait. And get out of
the cold? Where? Was there facilities to house what sounds like
perhaps a company of men, say 150 troops, each with his 60 lb barracks
bag?

And shouting? Ever tried to talk to a large group of people on a windy
day... without shouting (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 9/29/2021 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 08:11:29 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 6:50:07 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 17:58:01 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 3:30:51 AM UTC-5, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 9:31:40 AM UTC+2, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 9:55:14 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 2:28:49 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 10:32:40 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Will you EVER stop with your bullshit? Mountain roads in Italy, Spain and France are often gravel or broken down asphalt.
>>>>>>>>> So it is very obvious that you a Trump licking Republican, have never ever actually been to Europe. I have. Three times. I have cycled on the Dolomites in northern Italy, the Alps in Switzerland, and lots of hilly roads in France and Portugal and Spain. And lots of roads in many other western European countries too. All the roads I was on were paved asphalt. No gravel and no broken down asphalt either. Europeans know how to keep excellent roads.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fun story I like to tell. I rode from Czechoslovakia to Germany. I rode into the former East Germany. Germany was reunited when I was there in 1992. When I crossed the line between former East and West, it was as obvious as the nose on your face. The road went from old cracked to smooth new. Even the plants changed at the line. Scraggly dying brush on the East side and instantly blossoming green vibrant trees and grass on the West side. Startling change right at that line between free and enslaved.
>>>>>>>> You are telling everyone here that you prefer communism? Well then North Korea is just for you. So long and don't let the door hit you in the ass.
>>>>>>> Jeasus! You really don't have a clue, do you. The East side of the
>>>>>>> line, that he was talking about, with the "Scraggly dying brush" was
>>>>>>> the Communist side and the West side with the "blossoming green
>>>>>>> vibrant trees" was the side of the "good guys".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John B.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks John for trying hopelessly to explain it to Tommy. Germany reunified in 1990 and I was there, in both former parts, in 1992. The only thing I will say against your reply is the good guys and communist side (bad side implied). On the former East side I stopped in a small town and was invited into the house by an old guy. I just sat at the table and drank some water. We could not talk because unlike all the young Germans, he did not know any English. So I just smiled and after a while thanked him with gestures probably and left. Continued my ride. I learned that there are good people in most, many places. The actions, philosophy of the government are not an accurate reflection of the people in a country. This old man probably was fighting for the Nazis in WW2 and lived 47 years under USSR communism. But he seemed good to me.
>>>>> You visit Germany and you can only communicate in your own language? Fighting for the nazi's, what does that mean? Most of them had to. 32000 poor bastards on a cemetery 30 km from my home:
>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/1Ho5L7mMteoY7Wc9A
>>>>>
>>>>> Lou
>>>>
>>>> I also visited Italy, Austria, Switzerland, Czechoslovakia, Netherlands, Belgium on that ride. But I only speak English. Can you communicate in the native language of all the countries I visited? I probably also communicated with impromptu sign language and gestures too.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe us Americans lump Germany and Nazis into one category when discussing WW2. I believe Nazi was a political party represented by Hitler. Everyone in Germany was not part of the Nazi political party. And not everyone who fought in WW2 from Germany was a member of the Nazi party. But Nazis and Germany are considered the same thing to Americans when referring to WW2. Kind of like we say Netherlands, Dutch, Holland. All the same thing to us. But technically, officially, to you there are probably differences.
>>> The 1933 election gave the National Socialist German Workers' Party
>>> (NAZI) some 37.3% of the votes in the national election and Hitler was
>>> appointed as Chancellor of Germany on 30 January 1933 and in March
>>> 1933 the Enabling Act gave the German Cabinet—most importantly, the
>>> Chancellor—the powers to make and enforce laws without the involvement
>>> of the Reichstag whereupon the Nazi party became the dominating factor
>>> in the German Government and thus Germany.
>>>
>>> As to how popular the Nazi party was? Unemployment was some 6 million
>>> 1933, when the Nazi party came into power and 3.3 million in 1934 and
>>> by 1939 it was about 300,000. German currency was 4.2 to US$1.00 in
>>> 1933 and 2.61/$1,00 in 1934.
>>>> I visited the cemeteries at Normandy beach in France. Very somber. Oddly, the one thing that has remained with me from that visit was how well the grass was cut. Not a single blade of grass was out of place. I am positive the groundskeepers who were not good enough to cut the grass at Normandy were exported back to the US and assigned the second rate job of cutting grass at the White House.
>>
>> At what point will you stop cutting and pasting things out of the Internet that you don't understand John? Germany was in a DEEP depression because of the financial burden that they were supposed to pay for WW I. Hitler simply said "Screw you, we ain't paying no more". He built a military despite the treaty forbidding it so that no other European country dared to try and enforce the treaty. THAT is why Hitler became so popular so fast. Then he was given still more power by the weakness of the other countries failure to enforce what from the very first was and unfair and unenforceable treaty. And as always; power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
>
> Tommy, the Nazi's in their first year of government did decrease
> unemployment by 50% and did increase the value of the German currency
> to double it's previous value. Don't you think that the German public
> wasn't clapping their hands and shouting Hooray?
>
> I read that total nonfarm employees were 145,627,000 in January 2017
> and 141,735,000 in September 2020, a decrease of about 2.6% in 4
> years, and you leap up and down and shout Wonderful! Wonderful!
>
>> You understand nothing of the world outside of your little sphere and you don't have any idea of how to recognize the true meaning of anything. Will you STOP your stupidity?
>
> Outside my little sphere? Oh! You mean the sphere of a 77 year old,
> brain damaged individual who wasn't intelligent enough to graduate
> from high school, still lives in his mother's house, obviously never
> wealthy enough to buy his own home, and exists on Social Security and
> buying and selling second hand stuff on the Internet?
>
> All I can say is, "Thank the Lord!"
>

Subtract 22 million government positions from the 'total' to
get actual employees in the actual economy:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/USGOVT

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On 9/29/2021 9:41 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 19:55:48 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 9/29/2021 7:05 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
>>> On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 12:22:52 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 07:51:40 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> After Germany was defeated and civilians were putting up white flags to show they were offering no resistance, the SS was going door to door dragging civilians out into the street and executing them. On the other side of the coin several SS officers were involved the anti-Hitler resistance after they discovered what he was doing. I have no pity for anyone who believed in Deutschland uber alles. I also have no pity for the present American politicians who STARTED this administration with an illegal invasion of Syria that STILL hasn't been reported on the Slime Stream Media.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Uh, no.
>>>>>>> Valkyrie Plot was regular Army not SS. It's well documented,
>>>>>>> not a mystery.
>>>>>> I think that his reference to "the SS was going door to door" is
>>>>>> actually a reference to the German authorities ordered the
>>>>>> establishment of summary Courts; these were mobile tribunals set up to
>>>>>> track down deserters (or suspected deserters) and hang them.
>>>>>> Established February 15, 1945.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have read reference to this in a number of publications always in
>>>>>> reference to the fall of Berlin and from what I read were carried out
>>>>>> by German Army personnel.
>>>>>
>>>>> John, these SS groups were marauders and nothing else. They were not looking for deserters though they might have found some. They were executing mainly German civilians who were marking their own homes with a white flag to show that they intended no resistance to the Allies. This wasn't a case or two but often entire villages starting with the mayor of the town.
>>>> And you know this how? You were there watching? You have a valid
>>>> reference written by a witness? Or you just made it up?
>>>>
>>>> By the way, here's' some photos of Berlin in 1945. See all the white
>>>> flags?
>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52572544
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> John B.
>>> .
>>> Christina Bielenberg, a reliable witness (an English housewife who spent the war in Germany), also told of the white sheets in the windows. In any event, Slow Johnny, in only the the third photograph from the top in YOUR link, I can see white sheets in windows.
>>>
>>> Every time you open your mouth, Shortass, you demonstrate again that you can't manage to scrape up two grains of brains to scratch together. This is another example. There is a time, obvious to thoughtful people, to put up a white flag to tell enemies you're not resisting, and a time before it when it is lethal to put up a white flag because brutalized Russian took these as markers of the easiest victims, and a time before that when it was lethal to put up a white flag because the last idolizers of Adolf Hitler would regard you as a traitor and off you permanently.
>>>
>>> For everyone with better discrimination than Slow Johnny, I really loved the description by the pinkos at the BBC of Russian front line soldiers at Berlin distributing soup and tea. A few may have (I'd like to see documentation and photographs); nothing is impossible. But Stalin's shock troops weren't an elite force but the scrapings of the earth after it was salted with Chinese fertilizer, released from jail or the gulag to "fight for the Rodina".
>>>
>>> I knew a woman who was gang-raped by the first Russian soldiers into Berlin. She and the resulting child had relatives in South Africa who took them in, and in the goodness of time she married a farmer, rich as Croesus, who built her a brilliant, huge home on a hill, and took her daughter as his own. But not all such stories had fairy-tale endings. The first part was a commonplace, though.
>>>
>>> Andre Jute
>>> Just as well Stalin sent the survivors of the taking of Berlin straight through to Siberia.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, there's plenty of period eyewitness literature:
>>
>>
>> https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/a-woman-in-berlin-eight-weeks-in-the-conquered-city-a-diary_anonymous_marta-hillers/257329/?resultid=881edd5e-e052-431e-aea9-1e25c57ad080#isbn=0312426119
>
> I didn't read the book, but from other accounts I have read it would
> seen that the German population, in Berlin, was terrified of the
> invading Russians, the book you mention even refers to "the mass rape
> suffered by all" which makes me doubtful that any "white flags" were
> waved as they would be very much a matter of announcing "here I am,
> come and get me".
>
> From the book The Fall of Berlin 1945
> They (the Russians) wreaked havoc—tanks crushing refugee columns, mass
> rape, pillage, and unimaginable destruction. Hundreds of thousands of
> women and children froze to death or were massacred; more than seven
> million fled westward from the fury of the Red Army. It was the most
> terrifying example of fire and sword ever known.
>

+1
In the winter of 1945~46 in Berlin, the going rate for a
loaf of bread was one gold band.

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On 9/30/2021 12:29 AM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 10:16:25 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Despite the fairy tales, the Hell's Angels were mostly pretty good guys that would get drunk and start fights. When I was a kid, they were more or less controlled by Sonny Barger who aside from his leadership of the Hell's Angels, was a writer and an actor.
>
> Trump in response to the Proud Boys, Neo-Nazis rally in Charlottesville Virginia where someone ran over and murdered a demonstrator.
> "but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides."
>
> Tommy is a mini Trump.
>

Absolutely a lie of omission, Mr Seaton, and you know better.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/sep/10/ad-watch-what-donald-trump-said-about-charlottesvi/

"I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white
nationalists — because they should be condemned totally."

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On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 4:22:52 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 07:51:40 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 4:50:18 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 10:59:20 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On 9/28/2021 9:56 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 1:30:51 AM UTC-7, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >>> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 9:31:40 AM UTC+2, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >>>> On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 9:55:14 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >> >>>>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> >>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 2:28:49 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 10:32:40 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>> Will you EVER stop with your bullshit? Mountain roads in Italy, Spain and France are often gravel or broken down asphalt.
> >> >>>>>>> So it is very obvious that you a Trump licking Republican, have never ever actually been to Europe. I have. Three times. I have cycled on the Dolomites in northern Italy, the Alps in Switzerland, and lots of hilly roads in France and Portugal and Spain. And lots of roads in many other western European countries too. All the roads I was on were paved asphalt. No gravel and no broken down asphalt either. Europeans know how to keep excellent roads.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Fun story I like to tell. I rode from Czechoslovakia to Germany. I rode into the former East Germany. Germany was reunited when I was there in 1992. When I crossed the line between former East and West, it was as obvious as the nose on your face. The road went from old cracked to smooth new. Even the plants changed at the line. Scraggly dying brush on the East side and instantly blossoming green vibrant trees and grass on the West side. Startling change right at that line between free and enslaved.
> >> >>>>>> You are telling everyone here that you prefer communism? Well then North Korea is just for you. So long and don't let the door hit you in the ass.
> >> >>>>> Jeasus! You really don't have a clue, do you. The East side of the
> >> >>>>> line, that he was talking about, with the "Scraggly dying brush" was
> >> >>>>> the Communist side and the West side with the "blossoming green
> >> >>>>> vibrant trees" was the side of the "good guys".
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> John B.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Thanks John for trying hopelessly to explain it to Tommy. Germany reunified in 1990 and I was there, in both former parts, in 1992. The only thing I will say against your reply is the good guys and communist side (bad side implied). On the former East side I stopped in a small town and was invited into the house by an old guy. I just sat at the table and drank some water. We could not talk because unlike all the young Germans, he did not know any English. So I just smiled and after a while thanked him with gestures probably and left. Continued my ride. I learned that there are good people in most, many places. The actions, philosophy of the government are not an accurate reflection of the people in a country. This old man probably was fighting for the Nazis in WW2 and lived 47 years under USSR communism. But he seemed good to me.
> >> >>> You visit Germany and you can only communicate in your own language? Fighting for the nazi's, what does that mean? Most of them had to. 32000 poor bastards on a cemetery 30 km from my home:
> >> >>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/1Ho5L7mMteoY7Wc9A
> >> >>
> >> >> After Germany was defeated and civilians were putting up white flags to show they were offering no resistance, the SS was going door to door dragging civilians out into the street and executing them. On the other side of the coin several SS officers were involved the anti-Hitler resistance after they discovered what he was doing. I have no pity for anyone who believed in Deutschland uber alles. I also have no pity for the present American politicians who STARTED this administration with an illegal invasion of Syria that STILL hasn't been reported on the Slime Stream Media.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Uh, no.
> >> >Valkyrie Plot was regular Army not SS. It's well documented,
> >> >not a mystery.
> >> I think that his reference to "the SS was going door to door" is
> >> actually a reference to the German authorities ordered the
> >> establishment of summary Courts; these were mobile tribunals set up to
> >> track down deserters (or suspected deserters) and hang them.
> >> Established February 15, 1945.
> >>
> >> I have read reference to this in a number of publications always in
> >> reference to the fall of Berlin and from what I read were carried out
> >> by German Army personnel.
> >
> >John, these SS groups were marauders and nothing else. They were not looking for deserters though they might have found some. They were executing mainly German civilians who were marking their own homes with a white flag to show that they intended no resistance to the Allies. This wasn't a case or two but often entire villages starting with the mayor of the town.
> And you know this how? You were there watching? You have a valid
> reference written by a witness? Or you just made it up?
>
> By the way, here's' some photos of Berlin in 1945. See all the white
> flags?
> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52572544

John, on your very best day you're really weird. You copy and paste absolute crap off of the Internet but then here you are denying dozens of books written by people who were there and saw it or were victims of it. Your mental illness shows with every posting.

On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 5:51:43 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 08:11:29 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 6:50:07 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 17:58:01 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> >> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 3:30:51 AM UTC-5, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 9:31:40 AM UTC+2, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >> > On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 9:55:14 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >> >> > > On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> >> > > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > >On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 2:28:49 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >> > > >> On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 10:32:40 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> > > >> > Will you EVER stop with your bullshit? Mountain roads in Italy, Spain and France are often gravel or broken down asphalt.
> >> >> > > >> So it is very obvious that you a Trump licking Republican, have never ever actually been to Europe. I have. Three times. I have cycled on the Dolomites in northern Italy, the Alps in Switzerland, and lots of hilly roads in France and Portugal and Spain. And lots of roads in many other western European countries too. All the roads I was on were paved asphalt. No gravel and no broken down asphalt either. Europeans know how to keep excellent roads.
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> Fun story I like to tell. I rode from Czechoslovakia to Germany. I rode into the former East Germany. Germany was reunited when I was there in 1992. When I crossed the line between former East and West, it was as obvious as the nose on your face. The road went from old cracked to smooth new. Even the plants changed at the line. Scraggly dying brush on the East side and instantly blossoming green vibrant trees and grass on the West side. Startling change right at that line between free and enslaved.
> >> >> > > >You are telling everyone here that you prefer communism? Well then North Korea is just for you. So long and don't let the door hit you in the ass.
> >> >> > > Jeasus! You really don't have a clue, do you. The East side of the
> >> >> > > line, that he was talking about, with the "Scraggly dying brush" was
> >> >> > > the Communist side and the West side with the "blossoming green
> >> >> > > vibrant trees" was the side of the "good guys".
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > John B.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks John for trying hopelessly to explain it to Tommy. Germany reunified in 1990 and I was there, in both former parts, in 1992. The only thing I will say against your reply is the good guys and communist side (bad side implied). On the former East side I stopped in a small town and was invited into the house by an old guy. I just sat at the table and drank some water. We could not talk because unlike all the young Germans, he did not know any English. So I just smiled and after a while thanked him with gestures probably and left. Continued my ride. I learned that there are good people in most, many places. The actions, philosophy of the government are not an accurate reflection of the people in a country. This old man probably was fighting for the Nazis in WW2 and lived 47 years under USSR communism. But he seemed good to me.
> >> >> You visit Germany and you can only communicate in your own language? Fighting for the nazi's, what does that mean? Most of them had to. 32000 poor bastards on a cemetery 30 km from my home:
> >> >> https://photos.app.goo.gl/1Ho5L7mMteoY7Wc9A
> >> >>
> >> >> Lou
> >> >
> >> >I also visited Italy, Austria, Switzerland, Czechoslovakia, Netherlands, Belgium on that ride. But I only speak English. Can you communicate in the native language of all the countries I visited? I probably also communicated with impromptu sign language and gestures too.
> >> >
> >> >Maybe us Americans lump Germany and Nazis into one category when discussing WW2. I believe Nazi was a political party represented by Hitler. Everyone in Germany was not part of the Nazi political party. And not everyone who fought in WW2 from Germany was a member of the Nazi party. But Nazis and Germany are considered the same thing to Americans when referring to WW2.. Kind of like we say Netherlands, Dutch, Holland. All the same thing to us.. But technically, officially, to you there are probably differences.
> >> The 1933 election gave the National Socialist German Workers' Party
> >> (NAZI) some 37.3% of the votes in the national election and Hitler was
> >> appointed as Chancellor of Germany on 30 January 1933 and in March
> >> 1933 the Enabling Act gave the German Cabinet—most importantly, the
> >> Chancellor—the powers to make and enforce laws without the involvement
> >> of the Reichstag whereupon the Nazi party became the dominating factor
> >> in the German Government and thus Germany.
> >>
> >> As to how popular the Nazi party was? Unemployment was some 6 million
> >> 1933, when the Nazi party came into power and 3.3 million in 1934 and
> >> by 1939 it was about 300,000. German currency was 4.2 to US$1.00 in
> >> 1933 and 2.61/$1,00 in 1934.
> >> >I visited the cemeteries at Normandy beach in France. Very somber. Oddly, the one thing that has remained with me from that visit was how well the grass was cut. Not a single blade of grass was out of place. I am positive the groundskeepers who were not good enough to cut the grass at Normandy were exported back to the US and assigned the second rate job of cutting grass at the White House.
> >
> >At what point will you stop cutting and pasting things out of the Internet that you don't understand John? Germany was in a DEEP depression because of the financial burden that they were supposed to pay for WW I. Hitler simply said "Screw you, we ain't paying no more". He built a military despite the treaty forbidding it so that no other European country dared to try and enforce the treaty. THAT is why Hitler became so popular so fast. Then he was given still more power by the weakness of the other countries failure to enforce what from the very first was and unfair and unenforceable treaty.. And as always; power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
> Tommy, the Nazi's in their first year of government did decrease
> unemployment by 50% and did increase the value of the German currency
> to double it's previous value. Don't you think that the German public
> wasn't clapping their hands and shouting Hooray?
>
> I read that total nonfarm employees were 145,627,000 in January 2017
> and 141,735,000 in September 2020, a decrease of about 2.6% in 4
> years, and you leap up and down and shout Wonderful! Wonderful!
> >You understand nothing of the world outside of your little sphere and you don't have any idea of how to recognize the true meaning of anything. Will you STOP your stupidity?
> Outside my little sphere? Oh! You mean the sphere of a 77 year old,
> brain damaged individual who wasn't intelligent enough to graduate
> from high school, still lives in his mother's house, obviously never
> wealthy enough to buy his own home, and exists on Social Security and
> buying and selling second hand stuff on the Internet?
>
> All I can say is, "Thank the Lord!"

The jealousy simply oozes out of every pore. What I find is going to be interesting is that the Democrats are presently threatening to stop your military retirement pay. You know that stuff that Jay calls pure socialism? Let's watch your love of Biden when the Republicans will not bend on Biden's 7.5 Trillion dollar budget so that you are without a pension for several months.