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* O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuel consumption?Richard Smith
+- Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuelDavid Billington
+* Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuelMighty Wannabe
|`- Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuel consumption?Richard Smith
+* Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuelDavid Billington
|`* Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuel consumption?Joe Gwinn
| `- Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuel consumption?Richard Smith
`* Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuel consumption?Clare Snyder
 `* Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuel consumption?Richard Smith
  +* Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuelMighty Wannabe
  |`* Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuel consumption?Joe Gwinn
  | `* Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuelMighty Wannabe
  |  `* Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuel consumption?Joe Gwinn
  |   `* Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuel consumption?Mighty Wannabe
  |    +- Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuelStan Weiss
  |    +* Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuel consumption?Joe Gwinn
  |    |`* Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuel consumption?Jim Wilkins
  |    | `- Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuel consumption?Joe Gwinn
  |    `* Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuel consumption?Clare Snyder
  |     `* Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuel consumption?Jim Wilkins
  |      +- Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuel consumption?Jim Wilkins
  |      `* Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuelLeon Fisk
  |       `* Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuel consumption?Jim Wilkins
  |        `* Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuelLeon Fisk
  |         +* Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuel consumption?Jim Wilkins
  |         |`* Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuelLeon Fisk
  |         | `* Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuel consumption?Jim Wilkins
  |         |  `- Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuelLeon Fisk
  |         +- Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuel consumption?Jim Wilkins
  |         `- Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuel consumption?David Lesher
  `* Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuel consumption?Charlie+
   `- Re: O/T - diesel car - "modern" car why extra 30+percent fuel consumption?Richard Smith

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 by: Leon Fisk - Thu, 2 Jun 2022 17:21 UTC

On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 12:45:54 -0400
"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>
>I built a prototype receiver/decoder for this system:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Data_System
>
>We were assured it would only handle traffic alert messages, not take
>control of the car, although it could have.

Did you hear about NPR forgetting to add an image extension and
then bricking Mazda radios with their broadcast?

https://gizmodo.com/seattle-mazda-owners-radios-are-permanently-stuck-on-np-1848507907

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI

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 by: Jim Wilkins - Fri, 3 Jun 2022 00:01 UTC

"Leon Fisk" wrote in message news:t7arjj$5j1$2@dont-email.me...

On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 12:45:54 -0400
"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>
>I built a prototype receiver/decoder for this system:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Data_System
>
>We were assured it would only handle traffic alert messages, not take
>control of the car, although it could have.

Did you hear about NPR forgetting to add an image extension and
then bricking Mazda radios with their broadcast?

https://gizmodo.com/seattle-mazda-owners-radios-are-permanently-stuck-on-np-1848507907

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI

-----------------------

If misinterpreted image data was able to alter the firmware, why can't Mazda
reflash it?

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 by: Jim Wilkins - Fri, 3 Jun 2022 00:30 UTC

"Leon Fisk" wrote in message news:t7arjj$5j1$2@dont-email.me...

On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 12:45:54 -0400
"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>
>I built a prototype receiver/decoder for this system:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Data_System
>
>We were assured it would only handle traffic alert messages, not take
>control of the car, although it could have.

Did you hear about NPR forgetting to add an image extension and
then bricking Mazda radios with their broadcast?

https://gizmodo.com/seattle-mazda-owners-radios-are-permanently-stuck-on-np-1848507907

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI

--------------------

The SDRplay program for my RSP1A software defined radio decodes RDS data
when listening (and watching, you can see individual notes) an FM broadcast.
https://www.passion-radio.com/index.php?controller=attachment&id_attachment=243

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 by: Leon Fisk - Fri, 3 Jun 2022 13:06 UTC

On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 20:01:20 -0400
"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>
>If misinterpreted image data was able to alter the firmware, why can't Mazda
>reflash it?

Don't know... Guessing there isn't any money to be made other than
selling you a new car. It's all about money and how to best extract it
from the user/customer...

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI

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 by: Jim Wilkins - Fri, 3 Jun 2022 16:28 UTC

"Leon Fisk" wrote in message news:t7d10h$d8r$1@dont-email.me...

On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 20:01:20 -0400
"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>
>If misinterpreted image data was able to alter the firmware, why can't
>Mazda
>reflash it?

Don't know... Guessing there isn't any money to be made other than
selling you a new car. It's all about money and how to best extract it
from the user/customer...

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI

------------------------

My guess is that the programmer quit in disgust and no one else knows how it
works.

I've been the stuckee for that thankless task three times. I've solved the
problem; written my own quick and dirty assembly code instead; and given up
as hopeless.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/10/11/blue-origin-jeff-bezos-delays-toxic-workplace/

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 by: Leon Fisk - Fri, 3 Jun 2022 18:09 UTC

On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 12:28:35 -0400
"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

>My guess is that the programmer quit in disgust and no one else knows how it
>works.
>
>I've been the stuckee for that thankless task three times. I've solved the
>problem; written my own quick and dirty assembly code instead; and given up
>as hopeless.
>
>https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/10/11/blue-origin-jeff-bezos-delays-toxic-workplace/

Stuff like this:

==One former machinist said he took Bezos up on his offer, made to the
entire company, to approach with ideas to become more efficient. But
after he pitched Bezos and returned to the factory floor, he said, “two
of my managers chewed me out and said I was going behind their backs.”
==
is way too common in so much business and government...

I quit going to "employee reviews" and submitting items for "future
budgeting and purchase." It was just a complete waste of time. The
"company" already had something in mind and my input would make no
difference to what was planned.

Some of us grow weary playing this game...

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI

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Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 18:53:07 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: NRK Clinic for habitual NetNews Abusers - Beltway Annex
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 by: David Lesher - Fri, 8 Jul 2022 18:53 UTC

Leon Fisk <lfiskgr@gmail.invalid> writes:

>Did you hear about NPR forgetting to add an image extension and
>then bricking Mazda radios with their broadcast?

Not NPR, rather KUOW.

>https://gizmodo.com/seattle-mazda-owners-radios-are-permanently-stuck-on-np-1848507907

And Mazda admitted it was their flaw; they should have ignored a file without a suffix.

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