On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 7:44:57 PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 19:35:46 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
> <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:28:06 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> >> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 01:00:43 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
> >> <alway...@message.header> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Cursitor Doom wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> John Doe wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
> >> >>> (Bill Sloman)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Bozo the Clown...
> >> >>
> >> >> But that is one of the pillars of Cultural Marxism which BS is so fond
> >> >> of propagating.
> >> >
> >> >To me, it sounds like a clown.
> >>
> >> That's because you're looking at it logically.
> >
> >John Doe can't do joined up logic, any more than Cursitor Doom can.
> >
> >> Leftists don't do logic.
> >
> >Actually, that's exactly what they do.The left takes a rational approach to social problems. The right doesn't want change and produces an endless stream of specious arguments designed to "prove" that any change is bad.
> >
> >> They prefer foreign ideologies that someone else has pulled out of their butt after smoking too much dope.
> >
> >That is what rightist prefer to believe. It's a whole lot easier to claim that than it is to analyse the left wing position and demonstrate that it is illogical, particularly since it mostly isn't.
>
> You only have to look at how Communism turned out when implemented: 100+ million killed through purges and mass starvation. And you wonder
> why no one with any brain wants to go down that route again?

Nobody with any sense wanted Marx to go down that route in the first place. Marx didn't endorse the one-party-state until long after he and Engels had written the Communist Manifesto back in 1848 - his enthusiasm for "the leading role of the party" got him slung out of the international socialist movement in 1871, on the basis that his ideas were undemocratic and would lead to tyranny, as indeed they did, and some of the side effects of that tyranny were purges and mass starvation.

> "You must therefore confess that by 'individual' you mean no other person
> than the bourgeois; than the middle-class owner of property. This person
> must indeed be swept out of the way, and made impossible."
>
> - Marx & Engels, The Communist Manifesto, 1848

More political agitation than a policy statement. This is text-chopping - using documents out of context to support an entirely specious argument.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

On 6/5/2021 5:44 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 19:35:46 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:28:06 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 01:00:43 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
>>> <alway...@message.header> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> John Doe wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
>>>>>> (Bill Sloman)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bozo the Clown...
>>>>>
>>>>> But that is one of the pillars of Cultural Marxism which BS is so fond
>>>>> of propagating.
>>>>
>>>> To me, it sounds like a clown.
>>>
>>> That's because you're looking at it logically.
>>
>> John Doe can't do joined up logic, any more than Cursitor Doom can.
>>
>>> Leftists don't do logic.
>>
>> Actually, that's exactly what they do.The left takes a rational approach to social problems. The right doesn't want change and produces an endless stream of specious arguments designed to "prove" that any change is bad.
>>
>>> They prefer foreign ideologies that someone else has pulled out of their butt after smoking too much dope.
>>
>> That is what rightist prefer to believe. It's a whole lot easier to claim that than it is to analyse the left wing position and demonstrate that it is illogical, particularly since it mostly isn't.
>
> You only have to look at how Communism turned out when implemented:
> 100+ million killed through purges and mass starvation. And you wonder
> why no one with any brain wants to go down that route again?
>

The revolutions in Russia and China were fundamentally reactionary
movements, an attempt to return to the old ways, primarily agrarian in
nature, anti-technology, anti-academic, anti-"elite." Cambodia under Pol
Pot the same. Feudalism for the 20th century.

Marxism wasn't that, but like libertarianism is effectively a dead
ideology, though. It mostly died with Marx.

"You must therefore confess that by 'individual' you mean no other
person than the bourgeois; than the middle-class owner of property. This
person must indeed be swept out of the way, and made impossible."

OTOH it's my understanding that Marx intended the middle-class to be the
engines of the Revolution, and would've been horrified if told that a la
China it had been the peasants and soldiers. They were supposed to
transfer the means of production to the "working class" by their own
volition.

"property" in that context means real property, real estate,
land-owners. He's talking about landlords who buy up real estate and
then rent it out, still a pretty unpopular profession among the "working
class" to this day judging by posts on Reddit from renters bitching
about landlords never returning their security deposit or ever fixing
the leaky shower like they're supposed to.

An old joke about landlords - if every landlord could only select from
other landlords that met their definition of a "perfect tenant" they'd
have no customers.

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in news:NHouI.20995$v01.7057@fx07.iad:

> On 6/4/2021 4:45 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
>> John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
>> news:hvqibg995oodd3greitecrpqm5sdd1jo4e@4ax.com:
>>
>>> Yes, a team of extreme lefists.
>>>
>>
>> John Larkin, abject idiot. An extreme retardist.
>>
>
> They used to call them fascists, but "retardist" seems like a better
> term for the new breed of QAnon-believing flat-Earther carnival show
> that calls itself a "right wing."
>

Just like the timing of an ICE, he has allowed himself to be retarded
from intelligent society. Definitely left side of the bell curve
proving that one's IQ can absolutely degrade. If it was ever properly
gauged to start with.

Rod Serling turned in his grave over five years ago. He flat fucking
exploded when the dangerous, criminal buffoon got the nom, much less so
many voters who all failed to vet the poorest choice for a leader in
the history of civilian society.

The song "Take A Walk On The Wild Side" Except with dopes like
Larkin, it was "Take a dive over the left side... of the bell curve".

Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in
news:f0162cef-95ff-4d49-a76d-4ec126aecca8n@googlegroups.com:

> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 6:02:01 AM UTC-7, Brent Locher wrote:
>> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 8:49:35 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> > From the source that broke the original story about the
>> > outbreak when it first appeared in China - and got de-listed
>> > for doing so:
>> >
>> > https://tinyurl.com/387apav3
>> >
>> > Should we still be dealing with a state that develops
>> > bio-weapons?
>
> We have to deal with them, just don't help them by buying their
> stuffs. 50% tariff will help moving demands elsewhere. It's a
> small price to pay by consumers.

You are an abject idiot with zero clue how things get manufactured,
much less economized.
>
>> All of our resident "men of science" are not going to accept this
>> answer if it is true. Therefore our "men of science " will always
>> declare such theory as unscientific.
>
> The commanding officer in charge of the WIV is head of Bio Chem
> Engineering of the PLA. I guess it depends on whether they are
> using the product on their own soldiers (just training) or the
> opposing force (weapon).

Abject idiot? I take it back, you are an absolute utter retard.

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
news:PvuuI.287402$N_4.161270@fx36.iad:

> On 6/4/2021 10:10 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 06:59:52 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
>> <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 6:02:01 AM UTC-7, Brent Locher wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 8:49:35 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> From the source that broke the original story about the
>>>>> outbreak when
>>>>> it first appeared in China - and got de-listed for doing so:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/387apav3
>>>>>
>>>>> Should we still be dealing with a state that develops
>>>>> bio-weapons?
>>>
>>> We have to deal with them, just don't help them by buying their
>>> stuffs. 50% tariff will help moving demands elsewhere. It's a
>>> small price to pay by consumers.
>>>
>>>> All of our resident "men of science" are not going to accept
>>>> this answer if it is true. Therefore our "men of science " will
>>>> always declare such theory as unscientific.
>>>
>>> The commanding officer in charge of the WIV is head of Bio Chem
>>> Engineering of the PLA. I guess it depends on whether they are
>>> using the product on their own soldiers (just training) or the
>>> opposing force (weapon).
>>
>> There was a sci-fi story where a small country developed a lathal
>> virus and immunized their own population, and threatened an
>> invader with the virus. The CPC isn't very inventive, but maybe
>> they read the story.
>>
>> The truth is likely less dramatic, but the probability that the
>> Wuhan virus lab let this virus loose, and probably created it, is
>> very high.
>>
>> Why does China have so many apologists?
>>
>
> Today is the 31st anniversary of Tienanmen Square, was China ever
> effectively punished for this? Did the West stand in unison and
> say "We will never do business with you until you acknowledge what
> you've done and make reparations for it?"
>
> Not really.

That happened before Taiwan and Hong Kong were handed over to them.
Back then nearly all the chip fabs and DVD pressings were done there,
and China did not have any part of it, so there was no business to
sanction against except for cheap chinese knock offs of cheap hand
tools. But AFTER the hand over, how do you think the world would
simply "pull up roots" and start those HUGE fab facilities elsewhere?
Let alone have the result be cheaper. Your non-existent 12 generatio
phone would not even exist, and the shit version that would would
cost you $5000 and $150 a month to use.
>
> Who is the bigger criminal, the criminal or the criminal who does
> business with criminals?

The idiots too stupid to do anything but piss and moan about a
"problem" yet offer no solution that would be doable.

John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
news:qc1lbg1u8s875uvk0g39m60grra14n1hri@4ax.com:

> Promising to cancel student debt was a campaign ploy to buy votes. I
> don't think Biden can or even wants to actually do it.
>

IIRC he did not voice that idea until after he took office.

Nice try though.

On 6/5/2021 8:50 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
> John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
> news:qc1lbg1u8s875uvk0g39m60grra14n1hri@4ax.com:
>
>> Promising to cancel student debt was a campaign ploy to buy votes. I
>> don't think Biden can or even wants to actually do it.
>>
>
> IIRC he did not voice that idea until after he took office.
>
> Nice try though.
>

He made some words to that effect during his campaign but they were
"qualified promises", he never promised to cancel the debt in its entirety:

<https://www.businessinsider.com/student-debt-cancelation-biden-campaign-promise-public-college-hbcu-2021-4>

On 6/5/2021 8:36 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
> bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in news:NHouI.20995$v01.7057@fx07.iad:
>
>> On 6/4/2021 4:45 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
>>> John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
>>> news:hvqibg995oodd3greitecrpqm5sdd1jo4e@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> Yes, a team of extreme lefists.
>>>>
>>>
>>> John Larkin, abject idiot. An extreme retardist.
>>>
>>
>> They used to call them fascists, but "retardist" seems like a better
>> term for the new breed of QAnon-believing flat-Earther carnival show
>> that calls itself a "right wing."
>>
>
> Just like the timing of an ICE, he has allowed himself to be retarded
> from intelligent society. Definitely left side of the bell curve
> proving that one's IQ can absolutely degrade. If it was ever properly
> gauged to start with.
>
> Rod Serling turned in his grave over five years ago. He flat fucking
> exploded when the dangerous, criminal buffoon got the nom, much less so
> many voters who all failed to vet the poorest choice for a leader in
> the history of civilian society.
>
> The song "Take A Walk On The Wild Side" Except with dopes like
> Larkin, it was "Take a dive over the left side... of the bell curve".
>

heard of the defense Logistics Agency’s 1033 Program, which allows the
Defense Department to transfer military equipment free of charge to
local enforcement agencies?

But the retarded police manage to do so much damage just fine without it:

<https://youtu.be/2FdNa8uho_Y?t=757>

Wonder how much that stunt will cost local taxpayers when it's all said
and done. Whatever, send us another ten mil.

On 6/5/2021 8:59 AM, bitrex wrote:
> On 6/5/2021 8:36 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
>> bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in news:NHouI.20995$v01.7057@fx07.iad:
>>
>>> On 6/4/2021 4:45 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
>>>> John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
>>>> news:hvqibg995oodd3greitecrpqm5sdd1jo4e@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, a team of extreme lefists.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     John Larkin, abject idiot.  An extreme retardist.
>>>>
>>>
>>> They used to call them fascists, but "retardist" seems like a better
>>> term for the new breed of QAnon-believing flat-Earther carnival show
>>> that calls itself a "right wing."
>>>
>>
>>    Just like the timing of an ICE, he has allowed himself to be retarded
>> from intelligent society.  Definitely left side of the bell curve
>> proving that one's IQ can absolutely degrade.  If it was ever properly
>> gauged to start with.
>>
>>    Rod Serling turned in his grave over five years ago.  He flat fucking
>> exploded when the dangerous, criminal buffoon got the nom, much less so
>> many voters who all failed to vet the poorest choice for a leader in
>> the history of civilian society.
>>
>>    The song "Take A Walk On The Wild Side"  Except with dopes like
>> Larkin, it was "Take a dive over the left side...  of the bell curve".
>>
>
> heard of the defense Logistics Agency’s 1033 Program, which allows the
> Defense Department to transfer military equipment free of charge to
> local enforcement agencies?
>
> But the retarded police manage to do so much damage just fine without it:
>
> <https://youtu.be/2FdNa8uho_Y?t=757>
>
> Wonder how much that stunt will cost local taxpayers when it's all said
> and done. Whatever, send us another ten mil.

Looks like they hired Al-Qaeda to train that cop. Ramming speed Mr.
Sulu! Allahu Akbar!

On 6/4/2021 11:47 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
> On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 5:58:43 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 12:21:41 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/4/2021 10:04 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 01:19:35 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/3/2021 7:58 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 13:17:46 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 12:39:38 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 12:34:06 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 'Common' speaks to unity. Trump is a flagrant divisive influence.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think, at this point, the citizens of the US would elect
>>>>>>>> anything else.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't you mean 'anyone else' ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't say that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not true, in either case, because
>>>>>>> I'm a citizen - and not in favor of confusion and contention when
>>>>>>> consideration and contemplation are available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If true, that makes you a minority.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More to the point, the citizens of the US certainly DID elect someone else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, a team of extreme lefists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's a test of your hypothesis, that was done publicly and recently,
>>>>>>> and well-reported. Can't John Larkin absorb the information in
>>>>>>> such test results?
>
> <snip>
>
>>>>> An extreme leftist would've cancelled student loan debt by now...
>>>>
>>>> Can a President do that on his own?
>>>
>>> I believe the Trump doctrine of executive power says that the President can do anything on his own.
>>
>> Promising to cancel student debt was a campaign ploy to buy votes. I don't think Biden can or even wants to actually do it.
>
> It's aimed at maximising number of people who get to benefit from higher education, which should help the economy by delivering workers with specialised skills.
>
> Biden probably does want to do - Bernie Sanders definitely does. Universal education is a pretty popular idea.John Larkin doesn't think much of because the new graduates he tries to hire haven't done the course on flattering the boss which he finds necessary.
>

Biden's poll numbers are still pretty high, by not doing much he's
likely intending to keep them there.

Americans finally prefer a president that sleeps on the job than one
that's up at 2 AM still tweeting away like a meth fiend, if offered the
choice.

On 6/4/2021 3:58 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 12:21:41 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>
>> On 6/4/2021 10:04 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 01:19:35 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/3/2021 7:58 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 13:17:46 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 12:39:38 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 12:34:06 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'Common' speaks to unity. Trump is a flagrant divisive influence.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think, at this point, the citizens of the US would elect
>>>>>>> anything else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't you mean 'anyone else' ?
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't say that.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not true, in either case, because
>>>>>> I'm a citizen - and not in favor of confusion and contention when
>>>>>> consideration and contemplation are available.
>>>>>
>>>>> If true, that makes you a minority.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More to the point, the citizens of the US certainly DID elect someone else.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, a team of extreme lefists.
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a test of your hypothesis, that was done publicly and recently,
>>>>>> and well-reported. Can't John Larkin absorb the information in
>>>>>> such test results?
>>>>>
>>>>> You are aping Sloman now with fatheaded 3rd party insults. Hardly a
>>>>> sensible role model.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> An extreme leftist would've cancelled student loan debt by now...
>>>
>>> Can a President do that on his own?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I believe the Trump doctrine of executive power says that the President
>> can do anything on his own.
>
> Promising to cancel student debt was a campaign ploy to buy votes. I
> don't think Biden can or even wants to actually do it.
>

For everything Trump said about dismantling the "Deep State", nearly
everything he did gave it more power. Biden is the suit brought in to
solidify the gains.

If Trumpism was a cut-throat semiconductor startup, Biden is it getting
bought out by NXP "we will add this to our portfolio."

On 6/5/2021 8:50 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
> John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
> news:qc1lbg1u8s875uvk0g39m60grra14n1hri@4ax.com:
>
>> Promising to cancel student debt was a campaign ploy to buy votes. I
>> don't think Biden can or even wants to actually do it.
>>
>
> IIRC he did not voice that idea until after he took office.
>
> Nice try though.
>

What's 10 grand cover at a 4 year these days anyway? Room & board? Room
and a board?

In article <6nJuI.288950$N_4.256932@fx36.iad>,
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>On 6/5/2021 5:44 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 19:35:46 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:28:06 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 01:00:43 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
>>>> <alway...@message.header> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> John Doe wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
>>>>>>> (Bill Sloman)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bozo the Clown...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But that is one of the pillars of Cultural Marxism which BS is so fond
>>>>>> of propagating.
>>>>>
>>>>> To me, it sounds like a clown.
>>>>
>>>> That's because you're looking at it logically.
>>>
>>> John Doe can't do joined up logic, any more than Cursitor Doom can.
>>>
>>>> Leftists don't do logic.
>>>
>>> Actually, that's exactly what they do.The left takes a rational
>approach to social problems. The right doesn't want change and produces
>an endless stream of specious arguments designed to "prove" that any
>change is bad.
>>>
>>>> They prefer foreign ideologies that someone else has pulled out of
>their butt after smoking too much dope.
>>>
>>> That is what rightist prefer to believe. It's a whole lot easier to
>claim that than it is to analyse the left wing position and demonstrate
>that it is illogical, particularly since it mostly isn't.
>>
>> You only have to look at how Communism turned out when implemented:
>> 100+ million killed through purges and mass starvation. And you wonder
>> why no one with any brain wants to go down that route again?
>>
>
>The revolutions in Russia and China were fundamentally reactionary
>movements, an attempt to return to the old ways, primarily agrarian in
>nature, anti-technology, anti-academic, anti-"elite." Cambodia under Pol
>Pot the same. Feudalism for the 20th century.

What was Mao's slogan in the first few years?
agriculture is the base, industry is the leading factor.
What is happening in China is according to, not opposed to Mao's vision.

Socialism has advanced China from a country as backward as e.g. India
or Bangladesh to a modern very technologic, hardly agrarian society.
You cannot call China anti-accademic as opposed to the USA with
any credibility.

Pol Pot was an example of how one delusional person can throw an
entire country in disarray, given the right circumstances.
There are more recent examples of that.

<SNIP>

Groetjes Albert
--
"in our communism country Viet Nam, people are forced to be
alive and in the western country like US, people are free to
die from Covid 19 lol" duc ha
albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst

On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 12:48:13 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

>bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
>news:PvuuI.287402$N_4.161270@fx36.iad:
>
>> On 6/4/2021 10:10 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 06:59:52 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
>>> <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 6:02:01 AM UTC-7, Brent Locher wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 8:49:35 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> From the source that broke the original story about the
>>>>>> outbreak when
>>>>>> it first appeared in China - and got de-listed for doing so:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/387apav3
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Should we still be dealing with a state that develops
>>>>>> bio-weapons?
>>>>
>>>> We have to deal with them, just don't help them by buying their
>>>> stuffs. 50% tariff will help moving demands elsewhere. It's a
>>>> small price to pay by consumers.
>>>>
>>>>> All of our resident "men of science" are not going to accept
>>>>> this answer if it is true. Therefore our "men of science " will
>>>>> always declare such theory as unscientific.
>>>>
>>>> The commanding officer in charge of the WIV is head of Bio Chem
>>>> Engineering of the PLA. I guess it depends on whether they are
>>>> using the product on their own soldiers (just training) or the
>>>> opposing force (weapon).
>>>
>>> There was a sci-fi story where a small country developed a lathal
>>> virus and immunized their own population, and threatened an
>>> invader with the virus. The CPC isn't very inventive, but maybe
>>> they read the story.
>>>
>>> The truth is likely less dramatic, but the probability that the
>>> Wuhan virus lab let this virus loose, and probably created it, is
>>> very high.
>>>
>>> Why does China have so many apologists?
>>>
>>
>> Today is the 31st anniversary of Tienanmen Square, was China ever
>> effectively punished for this? Did the West stand in unison and
>> say "We will never do business with you until you acknowledge what
>> you've done and make reparations for it?"
>>
>> Not really.
>
> That happened before Taiwan and Hong Kong were handed over to them.

When was Taiwan "handed over" ?

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The best designs are necessarily accidental.

On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 20:42:18 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
<soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 8:01:07 PM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
>> On 6/3/2021 3:39 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>> > On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 12:34:06 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:04:57 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> >>> On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 09:33:02 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> [ about Donald J Trump]
>> >>
>> >>>> One wonders what his presidential library will be like.
>> >>>>
>> >>> Carved in stone above the entry portal would be
>> >>>
>> >>> COMMON SENSE
>> >>
>> >> 'Common' speaks to unity. Trump is a flagrant divisive influence.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I don't think, at this point, the citizens of the US would elect
>> > anything else.
>> >
>> > Maybe in a few years we may have a moderation revolution.
>> >
>> For 20 years the media et all has analyzed every word the President has
>> said. What's most remarkable about Joe Biden is nobody seems to
>> particularly care - he doesn't much seem to like talking, and few seem
>> interested, anyway.
>>
>> Might be surprised how accustomed people get to the idea of politicians
>> not talking.
>
>Believe me, many people care what Lyin' Biden has to say because it is clear that he has early onset dementia, but not the CNNs of the world.

To give credit to MSM where it's due, Fox News Australia has been
keeping a cache of video clips of Usurper Joe's various
dementia-related pronouncements - and it's ALREADY a worryingly long
list leaving no doubt as to the man's mental enfeeblement. Step
forward Kamala Harris! ;->

On Fri, 04 Jun 2021 07:10:45 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

>On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 06:59:52 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
><edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 6:02:01 AM UTC-7, Brent Locher wrote:
>>> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 8:49:35 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>> > From the source that broke the original story about the outbreak when
>>> > it first appeared in China - and got de-listed for doing so:
>>> >
>>> > https://tinyurl.com/387apav3
>>> >
>>> > Should we still be dealing with a state that develops bio-weapons?
>>
>>We have to deal with them, just don't help them by buying their stuffs. 50% tariff will help moving demands elsewhere. It's a small price to pay by consumers.
>>
>>> All of our resident "men of science" are not going to accept this answer if it is true. Therefore our "men of science " will always declare such theory as unscientific.
>>
>>The commanding officer in charge of the WIV is head of Bio Chem Engineering of the PLA. I guess it depends on whether they are using the product on their own soldiers (just training) or the opposing force (weapon).
>
>There was a sci-fi story where a small country developed a lathal
>virus and immunized their own population, and threatened an invader
>with the virus. The CPC isn't very inventive, but maybe they read the
>story.
>
>The truth is likely less dramatic, but the probability that the Wuhan
>virus lab let this virus loose, and probably created it, is very high.

I don't buy the deliberate release theory, though. I can't see why
they would want the world to know they were developing bio-weapons and
certainly not at least until they've perfected them. More likely just
a moment's carelessness on the part of some lab technician who's no
doubt no longer in this world.

>
>Why does China have so many apologists?

Bloody good question!

On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 08:01:49 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

>On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 12:10:55 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 06:59:52 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
>> <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 6:02:01 AM UTC-7, Brent Locher wrote:
>> >> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 8:49:35 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> >> > From the source that broke the original story about the outbreak when
>> >> > it first appeared in China - and got de-listed for doing so:
>> >> >
>> >> > https://tinyurl.com/387apav3
>> >> >
>> >> > Should we still be dealing with a state that develops bio-weapons?
>> >
>> >We have to deal with them, just don't help them by buying their stuffs. 50% tariff will help moving demands elsewhere. It's a small price to pay by consumers.
>
>Consumers might beg to differ.
>> >> All of our resident "men of science" are not going to accept this answer if it is true. Therefore our "men of science " will always declare such theory as unscientific.
>> >
>> >The commanding officer in charge of the WIV is head of Bio Chem Engineering of the PLA. I guess it depends on whether they are using the product on their own soldiers (just training) or the opposing force (weapon).
>
>Or just keeping track of what is possible, which everybody does.
>
>> There was a sci-fi story where a small country developed a lethal virus and immunized their own population, and threatened an invader with the virus.
>
>Not only the invader, but the rest of the world. The rest of the world wouldn't have been too pleased.
>
>> The CPC isn't very inventive, but maybe they read the story.
>
>They don't have to be all that inventive to notice the down side. John Larkin doesn't seem to be quite that inventive.
>
>> The truth is likely less dramatic, but the probability that the Wuhan virus lab let this virus loose, and probably created it, is very high.
>
>In John Larkin's ever-so-expert opinion. Any rational estimation of the probabilities would make natural evolution much the most likely source of Covid-19, and while it is conceivable that it might have been created in a lab, the probability that it inadvertently escaped is very low indeed - labs really can't afford to have viruses escaping into adjacent parts of the same lab, because it wrecks the experiments, and they are even more careful about messing up the outside world.
>
>> Why does China have so many apologists?
>
>Nobody is apologising for China - they are just jeering at the remarkably fatuous conspiracy theories that appeal to half-wits like Cursitor Doom.
--

Britain: do the right thing and hand Australia back to China.

On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 7:10:06 AM UTC-7, none albert wrote:
> In article <6nJuI.288950$N_4.2...@fx36.iad>,
> bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
> >On 6/5/2021 5:44 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> >> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 19:35:46 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
> >> <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:28:06 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 01:00:43 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
> >>>> <alway...@message.header> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Cursitor Doom wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> John Doe wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
> >>>>>>> (Bill Sloman)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Bozo the Clown...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But that is one of the pillars of Cultural Marxism which BS is so fond
> >>>>>> of propagating.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To me, it sounds like a clown.
> >>>>
> >>>> That's because you're looking at it logically.
> >>>
> >>> John Doe can't do joined up logic, any more than Cursitor Doom can.
> >>>
> >>>> Leftists don't do logic.
> >>>
> >>> Actually, that's exactly what they do.The left takes a rational
> >approach to social problems. The right doesn't want change and produces
> >an endless stream of specious arguments designed to "prove" that any
> >change is bad.
> >>>
> >>>> They prefer foreign ideologies that someone else has pulled out of
> >their butt after smoking too much dope.
> >>>
> >>> That is what rightist prefer to believe. It's a whole lot easier to
> >claim that than it is to analyse the left wing position and demonstrate
> >that it is illogical, particularly since it mostly isn't.
> >>
> >> You only have to look at how Communism turned out when implemented:
> >> 100+ million killed through purges and mass starvation. And you wonder
> >> why no one with any brain wants to go down that route again?
> >>
> >
> >The revolutions in Russia and China were fundamentally reactionary
> >movements, an attempt to return to the old ways, primarily agrarian in
> >nature, anti-technology, anti-academic, anti-"elite." Cambodia under Pol
> >Pot the same. Feudalism for the 20th century.
> What was Mao's slogan in the first few years?
> agriculture is the base, industry is the leading factor.
> What is happening in China is according to, not opposed to Mao's vision.

Mao's vision was to let millions die to save a billion. Sound good, unless you are one in the million.

> Socialism has advanced China from a country as backward as e.g. India
> or Bangladesh to a modern very technologic, hardly agrarian society.
> You cannot call China anti-accademic as opposed to the USA with
> any credibility.

China is successful in spite of socialism, not because of. They had to make compromise after the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre.

> Pol Pot was an example of how one delusional person can throw an
> entire country in disarray, given the right circumstances.
> There are more recent examples of that.
>
> <SNIP>
>
> Groetjes Albert
> --
> "in our communism country Viet Nam, people are forced to be alive

as slave.

>and in the western country like US, people are free to die from Covid 19 lol"

but happy while living.

>duc ha albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst

On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 03:52:21 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

>On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 7:38:33 PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 00:14:26 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
>> <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>>
>> >On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 8:25:54 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
>> >> On Monday, May 31, 2021 at 11:36:32 AM UTC-7, Tom Gardner wrote:
>> >> > On 31/05/21 18:00, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> >> > > On Mon, 31 May 2021 04:15:09 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
>> >> > > <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>> >> > >> On Monday, May 31, 2021 at 7:28:44 PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> >> > >>> On Sun, 30 May 2021 19:58:14 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
>> >> > >>> <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>> >
>> ><snip>
>> >
>> >> LOL! If they are your "most trusted" news source I presume that you are totally ignorant concerning the lies that Fauci has made UNDER OATH.
>> >
>> >Flyguy hasn't bothered tell us what Faucci lied about under oath, or when, or which right-wing conspiracy site has told him that this happened, so he isn't to be taken seriously, not than anybody would bother.
>>
>> Bill, you're ignorant of the recent developments in this case because you only read news sites that defend deceivers. The rest of us are getting the news that matters *first* by consulting the independent media:
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/4z8fjmnj
>
>Zero Hedge isn't exactly "independent media".
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge
>
>It's a far-right source, designed to appeal to conspiracy theory addicts like you. That particular article is about Rand Paul telling everybody how wonderful he is, and how he sees the evidence available as supporting his bizarre delusions. Cranks like you do more or less the same non-stop, and it doesn't exactly add to your - nonexistent - credibility.
>
>You are entirely welcome to parade your idiocy as much as you like. It just makes it obvious how deluded you really are.

There you go: quoting Wikipedia again. Is that really the best you can
manage?

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
news:UiLuI.517330$ST2.364308@fx47.iad:

> On 6/5/2021 8:50 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
> wrote:
>> John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
>> news:qc1lbg1u8s875uvk0g39m60grra14n1hri@4ax.com:
>>
>>> Promising to cancel student debt was a campaign ploy to buy
>>> votes. I don't think Biden can or even wants to actually do it.
>>>
>>
>> IIRC he did not voice that idea until after he took office.
>>
>> Nice try though.
>>
>
> What's 10 grand cover at a 4 year these days anyway? Room & board?
> Room and a board?
>

They should make you the chairman of the bored.

On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 08:30:16 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
<edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 7:10:06 AM UTC-7, none albert wrote:
>> In article <6nJuI.288950$N_4.2...@fx36.iad>,
>> bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
>> >On 6/5/2021 5:44 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 19:35:46 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
>> >> <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:28:06 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> >>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 01:00:43 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
>> >>>> <alway...@message.header> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> John Doe wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
>> >>>>>>> (Bill Sloman)
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Bozo the Clown...
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> But that is one of the pillars of Cultural Marxism which BS is so fond
>> >>>>>> of propagating.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> To me, it sounds like a clown.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> That's because you're looking at it logically.
>> >>>
>> >>> John Doe can't do joined up logic, any more than Cursitor Doom can.
>> >>>
>> >>>> Leftists don't do logic.
>> >>>
>> >>> Actually, that's exactly what they do.The left takes a rational
>> >approach to social problems. The right doesn't want change and produces
>> >an endless stream of specious arguments designed to "prove" that any
>> >change is bad.
>> >>>
>> >>>> They prefer foreign ideologies that someone else has pulled out of
>> >their butt after smoking too much dope.
>> >>>
>> >>> That is what rightist prefer to believe. It's a whole lot easier to
>> >claim that than it is to analyse the left wing position and demonstrate
>> >that it is illogical, particularly since it mostly isn't.
>> >>
>> >> You only have to look at how Communism turned out when implemented:
>> >> 100+ million killed through purges and mass starvation. And you wonder
>> >> why no one with any brain wants to go down that route again?
>> >>
>> >
>> >The revolutions in Russia and China were fundamentally reactionary
>> >movements, an attempt to return to the old ways, primarily agrarian in
>> >nature, anti-technology, anti-academic, anti-"elite." Cambodia under Pol
>> >Pot the same. Feudalism for the 20th century.
>> What was Mao's slogan in the first few years?
>> agriculture is the base, industry is the leading factor.
>> What is happening in China is according to, not opposed to Mao's vision.
>
>Mao's vision was to let millions die to save a billion. Sound good, unless you are one in the million.
>
>> Socialism has advanced China from a country as backward as e.g. India
>> or Bangladesh to a modern very technologic, hardly agrarian society.
>> You cannot call China anti-accademic as opposed to the USA with
>> any credibility.
>
>China is successful in spite of socialism, not because of. They had to make compromise after the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre.
>
>> Pol Pot was an example of how one delusional person can throw an
>> entire country in disarray, given the right circumstances.
>> There are more recent examples of that.
>>
>> <SNIP>
>>
>> Groetjes Albert
>> --
>> "in our communism country Viet Nam, people are forced to be alive
>
>as slave.
>
>>and in the western country like US, people are free to die from Covid 19 lol"
>
>but happy while living.
>
>>duc ha albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst

Indeed. It's worth remembering:
The free market puts goods on the shelves and piles food on the market
stalls.
Central planners create only queues and shortages.
--

"You must therefore confess that by 'individual' you mean no other person
than the bourgeois; than the middle-class owner of property. This person
must indeed be swept out of the way, and made impossible."

- Marx & Engels, The Communist Manifesto

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:q22nbgldpf261c6bb2c4mfjfk5grbuk4b5@4ax.com:

> On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 12:48:13 +0000 (UTC),
> DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
>
>>bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
>>news:PvuuI.287402$N_4.161270@fx36.iad:
>>
>>> On 6/4/2021 10:10 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 06:59:52 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
>>>> <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 6:02:01 AM UTC-7, Brent Locher
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 8:49:35 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> From the source that broke the original story about the
>>>>>>> outbreak when
>>>>>>> it first appeared in China - and got de-listed for doing so:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/387apav3
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Should we still be dealing with a state that develops
>>>>>>> bio-weapons?
>>>>>
>>>>> We have to deal with them, just don't help them by buying
>>>>> their stuffs. 50% tariff will help moving demands elsewhere.
>>>>> It's a small price to pay by consumers.
>>>>>
>>>>>> All of our resident "men of science" are not going to accept
>>>>>> this answer if it is true. Therefore our "men of science "
>>>>>> will always declare such theory as unscientific.
>>>>>
>>>>> The commanding officer in charge of the WIV is head of Bio
>>>>> Chem Engineering of the PLA. I guess it depends on whether
>>>>> they are using the product on their own soldiers (just
>>>>> training) or the opposing force (weapon).
>>>>
>>>> There was a sci-fi story where a small country developed a
>>>> lathal virus and immunized their own population, and threatened
>>>> an invader with the virus. The CPC isn't very inventive, but
>>>> maybe they read the story.
>>>>
>>>> The truth is likely less dramatic, but the probability that the
>>>> Wuhan virus lab let this virus loose, and probably created it,
>>>> is very high.
>>>>
>>>> Why does China have so many apologists?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Today is the 31st anniversary of Tienanmen Square, was China
>>> ever effectively punished for this? Did the West stand in unison
>>> and say "We will never do business with you until you
>>> acknowledge what you've done and make reparations for it?"
>>>
>>> Not really.
>>
>> That happened before Taiwan and Hong Kong were handed over to
>> them.
>
> When was Taiwan "handed over" ?
>
>
>

I meant Hong Kong. Taiwan became a player once China got HK and
started building fab facilities in Taiwan as well, so it was a
secondary effect.

Cursitor Doom <cd@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:hj5nbgddllntg6ra2oh5odlcvf0q9tafia@4ax.com:

> mental enfeeblement.

Your whore mother was mentally enfeebled or you would have been
flushed right after the severly ass fucked street slut shat you.

On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 16:29:29 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 04 Jun 2021 07:10:45 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 06:59:52 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
>><edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 6:02:01 AM UTC-7, Brent Locher wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 8:49:35 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>> > From the source that broke the original story about the outbreak when
>>>> > it first appeared in China - and got de-listed for doing so:
>>>> >
>>>> > https://tinyurl.com/387apav3
>>>> >
>>>> > Should we still be dealing with a state that develops bio-weapons?
>>>
>>>We have to deal with them, just don't help them by buying their stuffs. 50% tariff will help moving demands elsewhere. It's a small price to pay by consumers.
>>>
>>>> All of our resident "men of science" are not going to accept this answer if it is true. Therefore our "men of science " will always declare such theory as unscientific.
>>>
>>>The commanding officer in charge of the WIV is head of Bio Chem Engineering of the PLA. I guess it depends on whether they are using the product on their own soldiers (just training) or the opposing force (weapon).
>>
>>There was a sci-fi story where a small country developed a lathal
>>virus and immunized their own population, and threatened an invader
>>with the virus. The CPC isn't very inventive, but maybe they read the
>>story.
>>
>>The truth is likely less dramatic, but the probability that the Wuhan
>>virus lab let this virus loose, and probably created it, is very high.
>
>I don't buy the deliberate release theory, though.

No, the first damage would be to their own people and economy. If it
were intended as a weapon, they'd make it even more leathal and wait
until they really needed it.

It was most likely accidental release of something they were working
on.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The best designs are necessarily accidental.

On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 6:21:51 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:

> Americans finally prefer a president that sleeps on the job...

Huh? The prescribed period of work for a US president, is four years.
Of course he sleeps!