On 6/4/2021 10:10 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 06:59:52 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
> <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 6:02:01 AM UTC-7, Brent Locher wrote:
>>> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 8:49:35 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>> From the source that broke the original story about the outbreak when
>>>> it first appeared in China - and got de-listed for doing so:
>>>>
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/387apav3
>>>>
>>>> Should we still be dealing with a state that develops bio-weapons?
>>
>> We have to deal with them, just don't help them by buying their stuffs. 50% tariff will help moving demands elsewhere. It's a small price to pay by consumers.
>>
>>> All of our resident "men of science" are not going to accept this answer if it is true. Therefore our "men of science " will always declare such theory as unscientific.
>>
>> The commanding officer in charge of the WIV is head of Bio Chem Engineering of the PLA. I guess it depends on whether they are using the product on their own soldiers (just training) or the opposing force (weapon).
>
> There was a sci-fi story where a small country developed a lathal
> virus and immunized their own population, and threatened an invader
> with the virus. The CPC isn't very inventive, but maybe they read the
> story.
>
> The truth is likely less dramatic, but the probability that the Wuhan
> virus lab let this virus loose, and probably created it, is very high.
>
> Why does China have so many apologists?
>

Today is the 31st anniversary of Tienanmen Square, was China ever
effectively punished for this? Did the West stand in unison and say "We
will never do business with you until you acknowledge what you've done
and make reparations for it?"

Not really.

Who is the bigger criminal, the criminal or the criminal who does
business with criminals?

On 6/4/2021 9:01 AM, Brent Locher wrote:
> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 8:49:35 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> From the source that broke the original story about the outbreak when
>> it first appeared in China - and got de-listed for doing so:
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/387apav3
>>
>> Should we still be dealing with a state that develops bio-weapons?
>
> All of our resident "men of science" are not going to accept this answer if it is true. Therefore our "men of science " will always declare such theory as unscientific.
>

We shouldn't have been dealing with them as of 30 years ago!!!!

<https://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/tianamen-square-cover1.jpg>

On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 12:21:41 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

>On 6/4/2021 10:04 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 01:19:35 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/3/2021 7:58 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 13:17:46 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 12:39:38 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 12:34:06 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Common' speaks to unity. Trump is a flagrant divisive influence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think, at this point, the citizens of the US would elect
>>>>>> anything else.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't you mean 'anyone else' ?
>>>>
>>>> I didn't say that.
>>>>
>>>>> Not true, in either case, because
>>>>> I'm a citizen - and not in favor of confusion and contention when
>>>>> consideration and contemplation are available.
>>>>
>>>> If true, that makes you a minority.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> More to the point, the citizens of the US certainly DID elect someone else.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, a team of extreme lefists.
>>>>
>>>>> That's a test of your hypothesis, that was done publicly and recently,
>>>>> and well-reported. Can't John Larkin absorb the information in
>>>>> such test results?
>>>>
>>>> You are aping Sloman now with fatheaded 3rd party insults. Hardly a
>>>> sensible role model.
>>>>
>>>
>>> An extreme leftist would've cancelled student loan debt by now...
>>
>> Can a President do that on his own?
>>
>>
>
>I believe the Trump doctrine of executive power says that the President
>can do anything on his own.

Promising to cancel student debt was a campaign ploy to buy votes. I
don't think Biden can or even wants to actually do it.

On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 16:22:17 +0100, Tom Gardner
<spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>On 04/06/21 15:10, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> Why does China have so many apologists?
>
>Same reason Trump does/did.

Which is?

On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 8:49:35 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> From the source that broke the original story about the outbreak when
> it first appeared in China - and got de-listed for doing so:
>
> https://tinyurl.com/387apav3
>
> Should we still be dealing with a state that develops bio-weapons?

Nature is far more capable of producing a lethal virus than any scanty gain-of-function research:
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/africa/article/3136136/woman-hiv-had-covid-19-seven-months-virus-mutated-32-times-inside

There's a lot of HIV in China, more than they know, lots of undiagnosed and untreated people with severe immunodeficiency, and in the areas with those big bat populations:
https://www.avert.org/professionals/hiv-around-world/asia-pacific/china

Then there's a lot of interaction between China and sub-Saharan Africa, where HIV is most prevalent.

These idiots with all their mindless mixing and travel made the CoV-2 strain.

They're not going to find the intermediate animal reservoir because there isn't one. Mankind is the reservoir they're looking for.

Kenya will be next:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6702250/

The whole world is a ticking time bomb of disease, and these people are doing their best to detonate it.

On 04/06/21 20:59, John Larkin wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 16:22:17 +0100, Tom Gardner
> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 04/06/21 15:10, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>> Why does China have so many apologists?
>>
>> Same reason Trump does/did.
>
> Which is?
>

Neither are trustworthy, both have a lot to apologise for.

On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 13:41:42 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 8:49:35 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> From the source that broke the original story about the outbreak when
>> it first appeared in China - and got de-listed for doing so:
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/387apav3
>>
>> Should we still be dealing with a state that develops bio-weapons?
>
>Nature is far more capable of producing a lethal virus than any scanty gain-of-function research:
>https://www.scmp.com/news/world/africa/article/3136136/woman-hiv-had-covid-19-seven-months-virus-mutated-32-times-inside
>
>There's a lot of HIV in China, more than they know, lots of undiagnosed and untreated people with severe immunodeficiency, and in the areas with those big bat populations:
>https://www.avert.org/professionals/hiv-around-world/asia-pacific/china
>
>Then there's a lot of interaction between China and sub-Saharan Africa, where HIV is most prevalent.
>
>These idiots with all their mindless mixing and travel made the CoV-2 strain.
>
>They're not going to find the intermediate animal reservoir because there isn't one. Mankind is the reservoir they're looking for.
>
>Kenya will be next:
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6702250/
>
>The whole world is a ticking time bomb of disease, and these people are doing their best to detonate it.
>
>

What's new in the world is population density and extensive travel.

What's also new is virology and vaccines. I expect that as technology
improves, we will win over the viruses, and eventually over every
biological health threat.

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 7:10:55 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

> Why does China have so many apologists?

Are you kidding? A nation of 1.4 billion, without free speech, THAT China?

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 2:39:00 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 13:41:42 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 8:49:35 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> >> From the source that broke the original story about the outbreak when
> >> it first appeared in China - and got de-listed for doing so:
> >>
> >> https://tinyurl.com/387apav3
> >>
> >> Should we still be dealing with a state that develops bio-weapons?
> >
> >Nature is far more capable of producing a lethal virus than any scanty gain-of-function research:
> >https://www.scmp.com/news/world/africa/article/3136136/woman-hiv-had-covid-19-seven-months-virus-mutated-32-times-inside
> >
> >There's a lot of HIV in China, more than they know, lots of undiagnosed and untreated people with severe immunodeficiency, and in the areas with those big bat populations:
> >https://www.avert.org/professionals/hiv-around-world/asia-pacific/china
> >
> >Then there's a lot of interaction between China and sub-Saharan Africa, where HIV is most prevalent.
> >
> >These idiots with all their mindless mixing and travel made the CoV-2 strain.
> >
> >They're not going to find the intermediate animal reservoir because there isn't one. Mankind is the reservoir they're looking for.
> >
> >Kenya will be next:
> >https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6702250/
> >
> >The whole world is a ticking time bomb of disease, and these people are doing their best to detonate it.
> >
> >
> What's new in the world is population density and extensive travel.
>
> What's also new is virology and vaccines. I expect that as technology
> improves, we will win over the viruses, and eventually over every
> biological health threat.

That is like saying that your local JV team will beat Tampa Bay.

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 10:00:24 AM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 7:10:55 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>
> > ... the probability that the Wuhan
> > virus lab let this virus loose, and probably created it, is very high.
> Do you have evidence? If not, you haven't any basis to assign probability.
> The evidence is that the lab location was near patient 1000; we might
> presume that case #1 was also nearby, but we don't KNOW even that (and
> Italy has a claim to earlier cases).

Here is the evidence:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/intelligence-on-sick-staff-at-wuhan-lab-fuels-debate-on-covid-19-origin-11621796228
Forget about the CHICOMs releasing ANYTHING that will incriminate them - they must be nailed with the circumstantial evidence that DOES exist.

On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 16:59:00 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
<soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 2:39:00 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 13:41:42 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 8:49:35 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> >> From the source that broke the original story about the outbreak when
>> >> it first appeared in China - and got de-listed for doing so:
>> >>
>> >> https://tinyurl.com/387apav3
>> >>
>> >> Should we still be dealing with a state that develops bio-weapons?
>> >
>> >Nature is far more capable of producing a lethal virus than any scanty gain-of-function research:
>> >https://www.scmp.com/news/world/africa/article/3136136/woman-hiv-had-covid-19-seven-months-virus-mutated-32-times-inside
>> >
>> >There's a lot of HIV in China, more than they know, lots of undiagnosed and untreated people with severe immunodeficiency, and in the areas with those big bat populations:
>> >https://www.avert.org/professionals/hiv-around-world/asia-pacific/china
>> >
>> >Then there's a lot of interaction between China and sub-Saharan Africa, where HIV is most prevalent.
>> >
>> >These idiots with all their mindless mixing and travel made the CoV-2 strain.
>> >
>> >They're not going to find the intermediate animal reservoir because there isn't one. Mankind is the reservoir they're looking for.
>> >
>> >Kenya will be next:
>> >https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6702250/
>> >
>> >The whole world is a ticking time bomb of disease, and these people are doing their best to detonate it.
>> >
>> >
>> What's new in the world is population density and extensive travel.
>>
>> What's also new is virology and vaccines. I expect that as technology
>> improves, we will win over the viruses, and eventually over every
>> biological health threat.
>
>That is like saying that your local JV team will beat Tampa Bay.

Lifespans have doubled in about 100 years. Hardly anyone but the very
old in a developed country dies of infections any more. Nobody dies of
smallpox, and polio is almost gone. AIDS used to be a death sentence
but anti-virals let people live pretty well.

Imagine what we can do 100 years from now. I figure we'll conquer all
viruses, all cancers, and aging.

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 5:27:41 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 16:59:00 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
> <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 2:39:00 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> >> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 13:41:42 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 8:49:35 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> >> >> From the source that broke the original story about the outbreak when
> >> >> it first appeared in China - and got de-listed for doing so:
> >> >>
> >> >> https://tinyurl.com/387apav3
> >> >>
> >> >> Should we still be dealing with a state that develops bio-weapons?
> >> >
> >> >Nature is far more capable of producing a lethal virus than any scanty gain-of-function research:
> >> >https://www.scmp.com/news/world/africa/article/3136136/woman-hiv-had-covid-19-seven-months-virus-mutated-32-times-inside
> >> >
> >> >There's a lot of HIV in China, more than they know, lots of undiagnosed and untreated people with severe immunodeficiency, and in the areas with those big bat populations:
> >> >https://www.avert.org/professionals/hiv-around-world/asia-pacific/china
> >> >
> >> >Then there's a lot of interaction between China and sub-Saharan Africa, where HIV is most prevalent.
> >> >
> >> >These idiots with all their mindless mixing and travel made the CoV-2 strain.
> >> >
> >> >They're not going to find the intermediate animal reservoir because there isn't one. Mankind is the reservoir they're looking for.
> >> >
> >> >Kenya will be next:
> >> >https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6702250/
> >> >
> >> >The whole world is a ticking time bomb of disease, and these people are doing their best to detonate it.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> What's new in the world is population density and extensive travel.
> >>
> >> What's also new is virology and vaccines. I expect that as technology
> >> improves, we will win over the viruses, and eventually over every
> >> biological health threat.
> >
> >That is like saying that your local JV team will beat Tampa Bay.
> Lifespans have doubled in about 100 years. Hardly anyone but the very
> old in a developed country dies of infections any more. Nobody dies of
> smallpox, and polio is almost gone. AIDS used to be a death sentence
> but anti-virals let people live pretty well.
>
> Imagine what we can do 100 years from now. I figure we'll conquer all
> viruses, all cancers, and aging.

Oh, REALLY???

Nearly half the world's population lives in areas at risk of malaria transmission in 87 countries and territories. In 2019, malaria caused an estimated 229 million clinical episodes, and 409,000 deaths. An estimated 94% of deaths in 2019 were in the WHO African Region.

On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 11:02:54 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 5:27:41 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> > On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 16:59:00 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
> > <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 2:39:00 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> > >> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 13:41:42 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> > >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 8:49:35 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:

<snip>

> > Imagine what we can do 100 years from now. I figure we'll conquer all
> > viruses, all cancers, and aging.
> Oh, REALLY???
>
> Nearly half the world's population lives in areas at risk of malaria transmission in 87 countries and territories. In 2019, malaria caused an estimated 229 million clinical episodes, and 409,000 deaths. An estimated 94% of deaths in 2019 were in the WHO African Region.

Trust Flyguy not to be paying attention.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01096-7

Fred Bloggs recently posted a link to the story to this group.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 10:05:27 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 10:00:24 AM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
> > On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 7:10:55 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >
> > > ... the probability that the Wuhan
> > > virus lab let this virus loose, and probably created it, is very high.
> > Do you have evidence? If not, you haven't any basis to assign probability.
> > The evidence is that the lab location was near patient 1000; we might
> > presume that case #1 was also nearby, but we don't KNOW even that (and
> > Italy has a claim to earlier cases).
>
> Here is the evidence:
> https://www.wsj.com/articles/intelligence-on-sick-staff-at-wuhan-lab-fuels-debate-on-covid-19-origin-11621796228
>
> Forget about the CHICOMs releasing ANYTHING that will incriminate them - they must be nailed with the circumstantial evidence that DOES exist.

Three people got sick enough with something that looked like flu to need hosptial treatment. It's not evidence of anything about Covid-19, unless you are clutching at straws.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 18:02:49 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
<soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 5:27:41 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 16:59:00 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
>> <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 2:39:00 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 13:41:42 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 8:49:35 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> >> >> From the source that broke the original story about the outbreak when
>> >> >> it first appeared in China - and got de-listed for doing so:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> https://tinyurl.com/387apav3
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Should we still be dealing with a state that develops bio-weapons?
>> >> >
>> >> >Nature is far more capable of producing a lethal virus than any scanty gain-of-function research:
>> >> >https://www.scmp.com/news/world/africa/article/3136136/woman-hiv-had-covid-19-seven-months-virus-mutated-32-times-inside
>> >> >
>> >> >There's a lot of HIV in China, more than they know, lots of undiagnosed and untreated people with severe immunodeficiency, and in the areas with those big bat populations:
>> >> >https://www.avert.org/professionals/hiv-around-world/asia-pacific/china
>> >> >
>> >> >Then there's a lot of interaction between China and sub-Saharan Africa, where HIV is most prevalent.
>> >> >
>> >> >These idiots with all their mindless mixing and travel made the CoV-2 strain.
>> >> >
>> >> >They're not going to find the intermediate animal reservoir because there isn't one. Mankind is the reservoir they're looking for.
>> >> >
>> >> >Kenya will be next:
>> >> >https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6702250/
>> >> >
>> >> >The whole world is a ticking time bomb of disease, and these people are doing their best to detonate it.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> What's new in the world is population density and extensive travel.
>> >>
>> >> What's also new is virology and vaccines. I expect that as technology
>> >> improves, we will win over the viruses, and eventually over every
>> >> biological health threat.
>> >
>> >That is like saying that your local JV team will beat Tampa Bay.
>> Lifespans have doubled in about 100 years. Hardly anyone but the very
>> old in a developed country dies of infections any more. Nobody dies of
>> smallpox, and polio is almost gone. AIDS used to be a death sentence
>> but anti-virals let people live pretty well.
>>
>> Imagine what we can do 100 years from now. I figure we'll conquer all
>> viruses, all cancers, and aging.
>
>Oh, REALLY???

Do you think progress has just stopped?

>
>Nearly half the world's population lives in areas at risk of malaria transmission in 87 countries and territories. In 2019, malaria caused an estimated 229 million clinical episodes, and 409,000 deaths. An estimated 94% of deaths in 2019 were in the WHO African Region.

https://ourworldindata.org/exports/global-malaria-deaths-by-world-region_v6_850x600.svg

Down almost half in 15 years.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The best designs are necessarily accidental.

On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 5:58:43 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 12:21:41 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
>
> >On 6/4/2021 10:04 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 01:19:35 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 6/3/2021 7:58 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 13:17:46 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 12:39:38 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> >>>>>> On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 12:34:06 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> 'Common' speaks to unity. Trump is a flagrant divisive influence.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't think, at this point, the citizens of the US would elect
> >>>>>> anything else.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Don't you mean 'anyone else' ?
> >>>>
> >>>> I didn't say that.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Not true, in either case, because
> >>>>> I'm a citizen - and not in favor of confusion and contention when
> >>>>> consideration and contemplation are available.
> >>>>
> >>>> If true, that makes you a minority.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> More to the point, the citizens of the US certainly DID elect someone else.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, a team of extreme lefists.
> >>>>
> >>>>> That's a test of your hypothesis, that was done publicly and recently,
> >>>>> and well-reported. Can't John Larkin absorb the information in
> >>>>> such test results?

<snip>

> >>> An extreme leftist would've cancelled student loan debt by now...
> >>
> >> Can a President do that on his own?
> >
> >I believe the Trump doctrine of executive power says that the President can do anything on his own.
>
> Promising to cancel student debt was a campaign ploy to buy votes. I don't think Biden can or even wants to actually do it.

It's aimed at maximising number of people who get to benefit from higher education, which should help the economy by delivering workers with specialised skills.

Biden probably does want to do - Bernie Sanders definitely does. Universal education is a pretty popular idea.John Larkin doesn't think much of because the new graduates he tries to hire haven't done the course on flattering the boss which he finds necessary.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

John Larkin wrote:
==============
>
> Lifespans have doubled in about 100 years. Hardly anyone but the very
> old in a developed country dies of infections any more. Nobody dies of
> smallpox, and polio is almost gone. AIDS used to be a death sentence
> but anti-virals let people live pretty well.
>
> Imagine what we can do 100 years from now. I figure we'll conquer all
> viruses, all cancers, and aging.
----------------------------------------------------

** Preventing people from aging would be quite a trick.
Creating new ones who do not age a marvel of genetic engineering.

But if such people are still all as stupid as they are now, is there any point ?

...... Phil

On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 20:49:11 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
<pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

> John Larkin wrote:
>==============
>>
>> Lifespans have doubled in about 100 years. Hardly anyone but the very
>> old in a developed country dies of infections any more. Nobody dies of
>> smallpox, and polio is almost gone. AIDS used to be a death sentence
>> but anti-virals let people live pretty well.
>>
>> Imagine what we can do 100 years from now. I figure we'll conquer all
>> viruses, all cancers, and aging.
>----------------------------------------------------
>
>** Preventing people from aging would be quite a trick.
> Creating new ones who do not age a marvel of genetic engineering.

Two oldish people can get together and make a fresh new baby, so it's
not impossible that some genetic therapy could slow or reverse aging.
We have it in us.

>
> But if such people are still all as stupid as they are now, is there any point ?

We'd better make them smarter, and nicer, too.

The structure of DNA was discovered less than 70 years ago. Another
hundred years should discover a lot more.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The best designs are necessarily accidental.

On 6/4/2021 10:49 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
> John Larkin wrote:
> ==============
>>
>> Lifespans have doubled in about 100 years. Hardly anyone but the very
>> old in a developed country dies of infections any more. Nobody dies of
>> smallpox, and polio is almost gone. AIDS used to be a death sentence
>> but anti-virals let people live pretty well.
>>
>> Imagine what we can do 100 years from now. I figure we'll conquer all
>> viruses, all cancers, and aging.
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> ** Preventing people from aging would be quite a trick.
> Creating new ones who do not age a marvel of genetic engineering.

I don't think I would like to remain a baby forever.

>
> But if such people are still all as stupid as they are now, is there any point ?
>
>
>
>
> ..... Phil
>
>
>

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 5:05:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 10:00:24 AM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
> > On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 7:10:55 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >
> > > ... the probability that the Wuhan
> > > virus lab let this virus loose, and probably created it, is very high.
> > Do you have evidence? If not, you haven't any basis to assign probability.
> > The evidence is that the lab location was near patient 1000; we might
> > presume that case #1 was also nearby, but we don't KNOW even that (and
> > Italy has a claim to earlier cases).
> Here is the evidence:
> https://www.wsj.com/articles/intelligence-on-sick-staff-at-wuhan-lab-fuels-debate-on-covid-19-origin-11621796228
> Forget about the CHICOMs releasing ANYTHING that will incriminate them - they must be nailed with the circumstantial evidence that DOES exist.

Some women of old Salem township were convicted for witchcraft on circumstantial evidence
.... and purified in fire, but the ergot in the stored grain remained nonetheless. It's NOT good
enough to have punishables and a theory, you need to understand (if possible) any and all
REAL causes. Let's all hope China doesn't buy into your witchhunt boosterism. So far,
they haven't. As far as a lab in Wuhan is concerned, they, not Flyguy, have authority.

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

[...]

>>Nearly half the world's population lives in areas at risk of malaria
>>transmission in 87 countries and territories. In 2019, malaria caused an
>>estimated 229 million clinical episodes, and 409,000 deaths. An
>>estimated 94% of deaths in 2019 were in the WHO African Region.
>
> https://ourworldindata.org/exports/global-malaria-deaths-by-world-region_
> v6_850x600.svg
>
> Down almost half in 15 years.

New technology promises to end the problem. Female Anopheles mosquitoes
spread the disease. Quote:
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How is malaria transmitted?

Usually, people get malaria by being bitten by an infective female
Anopheles mosquito. Only Anopheles mosquitoes can transmit malaria and they
must have been infected through a previous blood meal taken from an
infected person. When a mosquito bites an infected person, a small amount
of blood is taken in which contains microscopic malaria parasites. About 1
week later, when the mosquito takes its next blood meal, these parasites
mix with the mosquito�s saliva and are injected into the person being
bitten.

https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/about/faqs.html
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However, gene drive technology can be used to create male mosquitoes that
mate with the females, but only the male offspring survive. They contain
the modified genes and the cycle continues. Eventually there are few female
mosquitoes left to mate with.

Quote:
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Genetically Modified Mosquitoes Released In Southern Florida

Nearly 150,000 mosquitoes will soon begin to be released in batches in
parts of the Florida Keys. Don�t worry if you live in or will be traveling
to the Keys � the mosquitoes won�t bite.

In fact, releasing the mosquitoes will actually cause the mosquito
population to decrease. That�s because these genetically modified non-
biting male mosquitoes will mate with the local biting female Aedes aegypti
mosquitoes, but their female offspring won�t survive, explains Oxitec, an
advanced biotechnology company that designed the modified male mosquitoes.

�An important part of Florida Keys Mosquito Control District�s mission is
to protect residents in the Florida Keys from the disease-transmitting
mosquito, Aedes aegypti,� Andrea Leal, executive director of the Florida
Keys Mosquito Control District, said in a statement. �We see the
development of resistance to some of our current control methods, so we
need new tools to combat this mosquito. And given the unique ecosystem we
live in, those tools need to be safe, environmentally friendly, and
targeted. That�s why we are collaborating with Oxitec.�

This isn�t the first time Oxitec has released its modified mosquitoes into
the wild. The company notes that it has released the mosquitoes in other
locations � and the operation doesn�t �cause harm to beneficial insects�
such as butterflies or bees.

�Similar projects in the Brazilian city of Indaiatuba found that Oxitec�s
mosquito suppressed the disease-carrying Aedes aegypti population by up to
95 percent in urban, dengue-prone environments following just 13 weeks of
treatment.�

�While the releases represent a landmark release of Oxitec mosquitoes in
the U.S., we�re focused on demonstrating the value this technology can have
for Florida Keys� residents, communities� and business owners � while
protecting the Keys� beautiful and sensitive habitat that we all value so
much.� Oxitec�s CEO, Grey Frandsen said. �With outstanding support from
local residents, and with full clearance from the Federal and state
regulators, it�s time to get to work.�

https://www.travelawaits.com/2657460/male-mosquitoes-released-in-florida-
keys-2021/
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There seems to be no reason why the same technology wouldn't work with the
Anopheles mosquitoe that transmits malaria.

A similar approach might work with the mice that are overrunning Australia.

Quote:
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Farmers in Australia are struggling to cope with a major �mouse plague�
that has left crops destroyed and homes infested with hundreds of rodents
running amok.

In New South Wales, the most heavily hit area, rodents have found their way
into schools, hospitals, supermarkets and countless family homes, causing
widespread upset.

�Mice are literally everywhere � in people�s houses, in their living rooms,
in their clothes, in their cupboards, in their beds,� Steve Henry, a
researcher at CSIRO, Australia's national science agency, told The
Independent.

The outbreak, he said, is having a significant �social ... and
psychological impact� on families across the country, with Queensland,
Victoria and other areas also impacted by infestations.

Trying to quantify the problem, Mr Henry said, �is like trying to count the
stars...they�re uncountable�.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/australia-mouse-
plague-farmers-cause-b1856892.html
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Similar techniques could also be used against ticks that cause Lyme
disease, as well as many other pests. See

"Diseases transmitted by insects and ticks"

https://www.cmete.com/index.php?tg=articles&idx=Print&topics=101&article=68

For the first time, mankind has the potential to eliminate many of the
world's ills. For example, the Guinea Worm has been practically eliminated.

Quote:

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Dracunculiasis, also called Guinea-worm disease (GWD), is a parasitic
infection by the Guinea worm.[1] A person becomes infected when they drink
water that contains water fleas infected with guinea worm larvae.[1]
Initially there are no symptoms.[5] About one year later, the female worm
forms a painful blister in the skin, usually on a lower limb.[1] Other
symptoms at this time may include vomiting and dizziness.[5] The worm then
emerges from the skin over the course of a few weeks.[6] During this time,
it may be difficult to walk or work.[5]

[...]

In 2019, 54 cases were reported across 4 countries.[4][3] This is down from
an estimated 3.5 million cases in 1986.[5] In 2016 the disease occurred in
three countries, all in Africa, down from 20 countries in the 1980s.[1][9]

It will likely be the first parasitic disease to be globally eradicated.

Guinea worm disease has been known since ancient times.[5] The method of
removing the worm is described in the Egyptian medical Ebers Papyrus,
dating from 1550 BC.[In 2019, 54 cases were reported across 4 countries.[4]
[3] This is down from an estimated 3.5 million cases in 1986.[5] In 2016
the disease occurred in three countries, all in Africa, down from 20
countries in the 1980s.[1][9] It will likely be the first parasitic disease
to be globally eradicated.[10] Guinea worm disease has been known since
ancient times.[5] The method of removing the worm is described in the
Egyptian medical Ebers Papyrus, dating from 1550 BC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracunculiasis
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Perhaps the main obstacle to these cures is the misinformation that is
spread against them. For example is polio vaccination in Pakistan.

Quote:

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The Global Polio Eradication Initiative reports Pakistan as the only
country with consistent barriers preventing vaccination and the eradication
of the disease. The barriers are linked to religious extremism and
sometimes to global political interests.

The Government of Pakistan has managed the issues by involving social
mobilisers and religious leaders and by deploying police officials
to ensure the smooth running of the vaccination programmes. However, the
emergence of 53 new polio cases in the country between January and August,
2019, which is more cases than in past 3 years, has led to calls for
additional stringent measures to cope with the situation in the years
ahead.

One of the alarming factors impeding anti-polio vaccination is the
hesitation of a large proportion of the general population to vaccinate
their children. Two reasons behind this avoidance stand out. Children in
Pakistan are given more doses than the number recommended by WHO, which is
raising speculations in the general public because of their poor awareness
of the need for booster doses in the tropics. Additionally, conspiracy
rumours exist about the mishandling of the vaccines during storage and
transportation and about the side-effects of the vaccine. In a single
incident in 2019, hundreds of children were rushed to hospital with
complaints of abdominal pain, vomiting, and fainting following polio
vaccination, and angry protesters burnt down a health-care facility in the
Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province.5

On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 1:59:25 PM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 20:49:11 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
> <palli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > John Larkin wrote:
> >==============
> >>
> >> Lifespans have doubled in about 100 years. Hardly anyone but the very
> >> old in a developed country dies of infections any more. Nobody dies of
> >> smallpox, and polio is almost gone. AIDS used to be a death sentence
> >> but anti-virals let people live pretty well.
> >>
> >> Imagine what we can do 100 years from now. I figure we'll conquer all
> >> viruses, all cancers, and aging.
> >----------------------------------------------------
> >
> >** Preventing people from aging would be quite a trick.
> > Creating new ones who do not age a marvel of genetic engineering.
> Two oldish people can get together and make a fresh new baby, so it's
> not impossible that some genetic therapy could slow or reverse aging.
> We have it in us.
> >
> > But if such people are still all as stupid as they are now, is there any point ?
>
> We'd better make them smarter, and nicer, too.

Smart enough to say nice things about John Larkin, even when he doesn't deserve them?
That probably wouldn't be wise, but John isn't into wisdom.
> The structure of DNA was discovered less than 70 years ago. Another hundred years should discover a lot more.

Quite a lot more has been discovered since the Crick and Watson paper was publlshed.

John Larkin doesn't seem to have taken much of it on board.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 00:14:26 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

>On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 8:25:54 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
>> On Monday, May 31, 2021 at 11:36:32 AM UTC-7, Tom Gardner wrote:
>> > On 31/05/21 18:00, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> > > On Mon, 31 May 2021 04:15:09 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
>> > > <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>> > >> On Monday, May 31, 2021 at 7:28:44 PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> > >>> On Sun, 30 May 2021 19:58:14 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
>> > >>> <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> LOL! If they are your "most trusted" news source I presume that you are totally ignorant concerning the lies that Fauci has made UNDER OATH.
>
>Flyguy hasn't bothered tell us what Faucci lied about under oath, or when, or which right-wing conspiracy site has told him that this happened, so he isn't to be taken seriously, not than anybody would bother.

Bill, you're ignorant of the recent developments in this case because
you only read news sites that defend deceivers. The rest of us are
getting the news that matters *first* by consulting the independent
media:

https://tinyurl.com/4z8fjmnj

On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 19:35:46 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

>On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:28:06 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 01:00:43 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
>> <alway...@message.header> wrote:
>>
>> >Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> >
>> >> John Doe wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
>> >>> (Bill Sloman)
>> >>>
>> >>> Bozo the Clown...
>> >>
>> >> But that is one of the pillars of Cultural Marxism which BS is so fond
>> >> of propagating.
>> >
>> >To me, it sounds like a clown.
>>
>> That's because you're looking at it logically.
>
>John Doe can't do joined up logic, any more than Cursitor Doom can.
>
>> Leftists don't do logic.
>
>Actually, that's exactly what they do.The left takes a rational approach to social problems. The right doesn't want change and produces an endless stream of specious arguments designed to "prove" that any change is bad.
>
>> They prefer foreign ideologies that someone else has pulled out of their butt after smoking too much dope.
>
>That is what rightist prefer to believe. It's a whole lot easier to claim that than it is to analyse the left wing position and demonstrate that it is illogical, particularly since it mostly isn't.

You only have to look at how Communism turned out when implemented:
100+ million killed through purges and mass starvation. And you wonder
why no one with any brain wants to go down that route again?
--

"You must therefore confess that by 'individual' you mean no other person
than the bourgeois; than the middle-class owner of property. This person
must indeed be swept out of the way, and made impossible."

- Marx & Engels, The Communist Manifesto

On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 7:38:33 PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 00:14:26 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
> <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 8:25:54 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> >> On Monday, May 31, 2021 at 11:36:32 AM UTC-7, Tom Gardner wrote:
> >> > On 31/05/21 18:00, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> >> > > On Mon, 31 May 2021 04:15:09 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
> >> > > <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
> >> > >> On Monday, May 31, 2021 at 7:28:44 PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> >> > >>> On Sun, 30 May 2021 19:58:14 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
> >> > >>> <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >> LOL! If they are your "most trusted" news source I presume that you are totally ignorant concerning the lies that Fauci has made UNDER OATH.
> >
> >Flyguy hasn't bothered tell us what Faucci lied about under oath, or when, or which right-wing conspiracy site has told him that this happened, so he isn't to be taken seriously, not than anybody would bother.
>
> Bill, you're ignorant of the recent developments in this case because you only read news sites that defend deceivers. The rest of us are getting the news that matters *first* by consulting the independent media:
>
> https://tinyurl.com/4z8fjmnj

Zero Hedge isn't exactly "independent media".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge

It's a far-right source, designed to appeal to conspiracy theory addicts like you. That particular article is about Rand Paul telling everybody how wonderful he is, and how he sees the evidence available as supporting his bizarre delusions. Cranks like you do more or less the same non-stop, and it doesn't exactly add to your - nonexistent - credibility.

You are entirely welcome to parade your idiocy as much as you like. It just makes it obvious how deluded you really are.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney