On 2/1/2024 10:03 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/1/2024 3:58 AM, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 04:19:57 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 23:09:13 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's the ones with guns who are timid.
>>>
>>> I believe that it's the weak-kneed weeinies, like krygowski, who are
>>> afraid of guns who are the timid ones.
>>>
>>> Veterans and retired police officers sometimes carry guns. I don't
>>> believe they can be catagorised as "timid."
>>
>> Well, Frank is afraid of Black Pickup Trucks. He wrote a terrifying
>> story about the black pickups following him and pouring out smoke. A
>> real heart throbbing tale.
>>
>> In fact it was so terrifying that I remember Mr. Andrew admonishing
>> him that pickup trucks are the most sold type of motor vehicle and
>> black was the most common color.
>>
>> Given that I owned one of the frightful things for about ten years I
>> would comment that anyone that would cringe in fear from a black
>> pickup trucks has no reason to ridicule others for carrying a gun. He
>> has already displayed his "bravery" for all the world to see.
>>
>> Shoot, my wife used to drive our pickup. An elderly lady hardly 5 feet
>> tall.
>
> I owned a $100 pickup and ran it until death (~5 years) but never
> realized that since it was blue I could sneak up on people looking out
> for black trucks. Missed opportunity.

Let's remember that John's claim that I'm afraid of black pickups is
bullshit. I expressed irritation at yahoos who jack up their chrome
festooned, finely waxed toys, then use them to purposely blaze auxiliary
lights in the eyes of other drivers, tailgate, and roll coal. I
expressed no fear.

If John wants to prove me wrong, he can link to my actual posts.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 2/1/2024 4:12 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 23:12:17 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/31/2024 5:44 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Krybowski says he's ridden at night in his lilly-white super-safe
>>>> neighborhood, so, of course, everyone else is perfectly safe walking
>>>> anywhere at 0300. Well, at least I feel perfectly safe when I do it.
>>>
>>> So many lousy memories around here! I've said I've ridden home from work
>>> in the dark many, many times, going through neighborhoods that are far
>>> from "lily white," and never had problems.
>>
>> You've said a lot of things, but then, you're well known for bragging,
>> making up stories and exaggerating. I don't believe anything you say.
>
> I just want to point out to others:
>
> If this tricycle rider tells any truth, he's in the same time zone I am.
> Which means he apparently got back on his computer at 4 AM to
> compulsively post about me.
>
> I think he's moving beyond compulsion, into certifiable mania.
>
He has said I believe that he’s a very early riser, hence posts in the wee
hours, I’m in a very different time zone than all but two of the regular
posters.

Roger Merriman

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 11:53:49 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/1/2024 4:12 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 23:12:17 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/31/2024 5:44 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Krybowski says he's ridden at night in his lilly-white super-safe
>>>> neighborhood, so, of course, everyone else is perfectly safe walking
>>>> anywhere at 0300. Well, at least I feel perfectly safe when I do it.
>>>
>>> So many lousy memories around here! I've said I've ridden home from work
>>> in the dark many, many times, going through neighborhoods that are far
>>>from "lily white," and never had problems.
>>
>> You've said a lot of things, but then, you're well known for bragging,
>> making up stories and exaggerating. I don't believe anything you say.
>
>I just want to point out to others:
>
>If this tricycle rider tells any truth, he's in the same time zone I am.
>Which means he apparently got back on his computer at 4 AM to
>compulsively post about me.
>
>I think he's moving beyond compulsion, into certifiable mania.
y to rise, and all that. Four or five hours of sleep is all I've ever
needed.
Early morning is the best time to write.

I seldom sleep past three, and I'm often up at two. Usually sound
asleep before eight. Early to bed, earl

On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 12:28:12 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

>On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 11:53:49 -0500, Frank Krygowski
><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>On 2/1/2024 4:12 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 23:12:17 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/31/2024 5:44 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Krybowski says he's ridden at night in his lilly-white super-safe
>>>>> neighborhood, so, of course, everyone else is perfectly safe walking
>>>>> anywhere at 0300. Well, at least I feel perfectly safe when I do it.
>>>>
>>>> So many lousy memories around here! I've said I've ridden home from work
>>>> in the dark many, many times, going through neighborhoods that are far
>>>>from "lily white," and never had problems.
>>>
>>> You've said a lot of things, but then, you're well known for bragging,
>>> making up stories and exaggerating. I don't believe anything you say.
>>
>>I just want to point out to others:
>>
>>If this tricycle rider tells any truth, he's in the same time zone I am.
>>Which means he apparently got back on his computer at 4 AM to
>>compulsively post about me.
>>
>>I think he's moving beyond compulsion, into certifiable mania.
>y to rise, and all that. Four or five hours of sleep is all I've ever
>needed.
>Early morning is the best time to write.
>
>I seldom sleep past three, and I'm often up at two. Usually sound
>asleep before eight. Early to bed,

....early to rise....

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 12:03:42 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/1/2024 9:57 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 1/31/2024 10:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm saying people like Mr. Tricycle who travel with guns do it out of
>>> fear. You're not disputing my point. You're instead saying "By gorry,
>>> he _should_ be afraid!"
>>>
>>> Yet most people in America are not. It's the ones with guns who are
>>> timid.
>>>
>>
>> You describe him as 'fearful', not 'prudent'.
>>
>> Either or both may apply for any given situation.
>> One chosen term is your analysis as an outside observer, the other the
>> descriptor by the man who is actually there.
>>
>> It's fine to disagree about that but I don't see a dispositive argument
>> either way.
>
>Please note, my remarks were about "people like Mr. Tricycle." From what
>we can glean from his posts, he lives in a reasonably prosperous area,
>unlike the worst areas of Chicago sometimes referenced here. Also unlike
>Tom's hell hole. He rides ~exclusively on a bike trail, which are the
>sort of places where young mothers push baby carriages.
>
>A person like Mr. Tricycle's "given situation" seems like one where only
>a true paranoid would think he always needs the ability to kill another
>person.
>
>He's afraid. So he carries a gun. Just like most people who always carry
>guns.

Many veterans carry a gun.

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 2/1/2024 10:03 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 2/1/2024 3:58 AM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 04:19:57 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 23:09:13 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's the ones with guns who are timid.
>>>>
>>>> I believe that it's the weak-kneed weeinies, like krygowski, who are
>>>> afraid of guns who are the timid ones.
>>>>
>>>> Veterans and retired police officers sometimes carry guns. I don't
>>>> believe they can be catagorised as "timid."
>>>
>>> Well, Frank is afraid of Black Pickup Trucks. He wrote a terrifying
>>> story about the black pickups following him and pouring out smoke. A
>>> real heart throbbing tale.
>>>
>>> In fact it was so terrifying that I remember Mr. Andrew admonishing
>>> him that pickup trucks are the most sold type of motor vehicle and
>>> black was the most common color.
>>>
>>> Given that I owned one of the frightful things for about ten years I
>>> would comment that anyone that would cringe in fear from a black
>>> pickup trucks has no reason to ridicule others for carrying a gun. He
>>> has already displayed his "bravery" for all the world to see.
>>>
>>> Shoot, my wife used to drive our pickup. An elderly lady hardly 5 feet
>>> tall.
>>
>> I owned a $100 pickup and ran it until death (~5 years) but never
>> realized that since it was blue I could sneak up on people looking out
>> for black trucks. Missed opportunity.
>
> Let's remember that John's claim that I'm afraid of black pickups is
> bullshit. I expressed irritation at yahoos who jack up their chrome
> festooned, finely waxed toys, then use them to purposely blaze auxiliary
> lights in the eyes of other drivers, tailgate, and roll coal. I
> expressed no fear.
>
> If John wants to prove me wrong, he can link to my actual posts.
>

Likewise I’ve noted that see them in some areas of london peacocks I think
I described them as well they are bought for image alone aren’t used to
carry anything.

Vans are folk’s utility vehicles of choice, some 4x4 versions to get to
places and so on, SUV are very popular I personally think they are too big
and bulky particularly as the ability to haul stuff isn’t replicated
particularly in terms of length of objects such as bikes, as full
suspension MTB are to a type large long bikes.

Certainly in uk and MTB something you can carry the bikes in is favoured
over bikes hanging off the rear. The VW transporter is popular for MTBers.

Roger Merriman

On 2/1/2024 11:31 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 12:03:42 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2/1/2024 9:57 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 1/31/2024 10:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm saying people like Mr. Tricycle who travel with guns do it out of
>>>> fear. You're not disputing my point. You're instead saying "By gorry,
>>>> he _should_ be afraid!"
>>>>
>>>> Yet most people in America are not. It's the ones with guns who are
>>>> timid.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You describe him as 'fearful', not 'prudent'.
>>>
>>> Either or both may apply for any given situation.
>>> One chosen term is your analysis as an outside observer, the other the
>>> descriptor by the man who is actually there.
>>>
>>> It's fine to disagree about that but I don't see a dispositive argument
>>> either way.
>>
>> Please note, my remarks were about "people like Mr. Tricycle." From what
>> we can glean from his posts, he lives in a reasonably prosperous area,
>> unlike the worst areas of Chicago sometimes referenced here. Also unlike
>> Tom's hell hole. He rides ~exclusively on a bike trail, which are the
>> sort of places where young mothers push baby carriages.
>>
>> A person like Mr. Tricycle's "given situation" seems like one where only
>> a true paranoid would think he always needs the ability to kill another
>> person.
>>
>> He's afraid. So he carries a gun. Just like most people who always carry
>> guns.
>
> Many veterans carry a gun.

They may well know things others do not.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 17:23:27 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On 2/1/2024 4:12 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 23:12:17 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/31/2024 5:44 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Krybowski says he's ridden at night in his lilly-white super-safe
>>>>> neighborhood, so, of course, everyone else is perfectly safe walking
>>>>> anywhere at 0300. Well, at least I feel perfectly safe when I do it.
>>>>
>>>> So many lousy memories around here! I've said I've ridden home from work
>>>> in the dark many, many times, going through neighborhoods that are far
>>>> from "lily white," and never had problems.
>>>
>>> You've said a lot of things, but then, you're well known for bragging,
>>> making up stories and exaggerating. I don't believe anything you say.
>>
>> I just want to point out to others:
>>
>> If this tricycle rider tells any truth, he's in the same time zone I am.
>> Which means he apparently got back on his computer at 4 AM to
>> compulsively post about me.
>>
>> I think he's moving beyond compulsion, into certifiable mania.
>>
>He has said I believe that he’s a very early riser, hence posts in the wee
>hours, I’m in a very different time zone than all but two of the regular
>posters.
>
>Roger Merriman

I can't tolerate lying in bed when I'm awake. I've usually got many,
many things to do, and I'm anxious to get started. The coffee pot
calls me.

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> On 2/1/2024 11:31 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 12:03:42 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/1/2024 9:57 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 1/31/2024 10:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm saying people like Mr. Tricycle who travel with guns do it out of
>>>>> fear. You're not disputing my point. You're instead saying "By gorry,
>>>>> he _should_ be afraid!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet most people in America are not. It's the ones with guns who are
>>>>> timid.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You describe him as 'fearful', not 'prudent'.
>>>>
>>>> Either or both may apply for any given situation.
>>>> One chosen term is your analysis as an outside observer, the other the
>>>> descriptor by the man who is actually there.
>>>>
>>>> It's fine to disagree about that but I don't see a dispositive argument
>>>> either way.
>>>
>>> Please note, my remarks were about "people like Mr. Tricycle." From what
>>> we can glean from his posts, he lives in a reasonably prosperous area,
>>> unlike the worst areas of Chicago sometimes referenced here. Also unlike
>>> Tom's hell hole. He rides ~exclusively on a bike trail, which are the
>>> sort of places where young mothers push baby carriages.
>>>
>>> A person like Mr. Tricycle's "given situation" seems like one where only
>>> a true paranoid would think he always needs the ability to kill another
>>> person.
>>>
>>> He's afraid. So he carries a gun. Just like most people who always carry
>>> guns.
>>
>> Many veterans carry a gun.
>
> They may well know things others do not.

US ex military might well like guns though that’s not generally the case in
uk ie guns are used for purpose and post military duty doesn’t seem to be a
thing.

Kinda unlikely it’s a logical thing, realistically if somewhere is risky
enough that you need a gun? Probably unwise to go there.

And the Americans on YouTube and socials who will discuss all sorts of kit,
carrying guns aren’t one of them, yes Americans are into guns in huge way
but this seems to suggest that CatTrike is something of outlier even there.

Roger Merriman

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 17:23:27 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> On 2/1/2024 4:12 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 23:12:17 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/31/2024 5:44 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Krybowski says he's ridden at night in his lilly-white super-safe
>>>>>> neighborhood, so, of course, everyone else is perfectly safe walking
>>>>>> anywhere at 0300. Well, at least I feel perfectly safe when I do it.
>>>>>
>>>>> So many lousy memories around here! I've said I've ridden home from work
>>>>> in the dark many, many times, going through neighborhoods that are far
>>>>> from "lily white," and never had problems.
>>>>
>>>> You've said a lot of things, but then, you're well known for bragging,
>>>> making up stories and exaggerating. I don't believe anything you say.
>>>
>>> I just want to point out to others:
>>>
>>> If this tricycle rider tells any truth, he's in the same time zone I am.
>>> Which means he apparently got back on his computer at 4 AM to
>>> compulsively post about me.
>>>
>>> I think he's moving beyond compulsion, into certifiable mania.
>>>
>> He has said I believe that he’s a very early riser, hence posts in the wee
>> hours, I’m in a very different time zone than all but two of the regular
>> posters.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>
> I can't tolerate lying in bed when I'm awake. I've usually got many,
> many things to do, and I'm anxious to get started. The coffee pot
> calls me.
>

I used to be a night owl but well my sleep is as is common fairly poor now,
I do still like night rides though winter as I can’t deal with late nights
anymore than early mornings!

Roger Merriman

On 2/1/2024 11:55 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> On 2/1/2024 11:31 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 12:03:42 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/1/2024 9:57 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 1/31/2024 10:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm saying people like Mr. Tricycle who travel with guns do it out of
>>>>>> fear. You're not disputing my point. You're instead saying "By gorry,
>>>>>> he _should_ be afraid!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet most people in America are not. It's the ones with guns who are
>>>>>> timid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You describe him as 'fearful', not 'prudent'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Either or both may apply for any given situation.
>>>>> One chosen term is your analysis as an outside observer, the other the
>>>>> descriptor by the man who is actually there.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's fine to disagree about that but I don't see a dispositive argument
>>>>> either way.
>>>>
>>>> Please note, my remarks were about "people like Mr. Tricycle." From what
>>>> we can glean from his posts, he lives in a reasonably prosperous area,
>>>> unlike the worst areas of Chicago sometimes referenced here. Also unlike
>>>> Tom's hell hole. He rides ~exclusively on a bike trail, which are the
>>>> sort of places where young mothers push baby carriages.
>>>>
>>>> A person like Mr. Tricycle's "given situation" seems like one where only
>>>> a true paranoid would think he always needs the ability to kill another
>>>> person.
>>>>
>>>> He's afraid. So he carries a gun. Just like most people who always carry
>>>> guns.
>>>
>>> Many veterans carry a gun.
>>
>> They may well know things others do not.
>
> US ex military might well like guns though that’s not generally the case in
> uk ie guns are used for purpose and post military duty doesn’t seem to be a
> thing.
>
> Kinda unlikely it’s a logical thing, realistically if somewhere is risky
> enough that you need a gun? Probably unwise to go there.
>
> And the Americans on YouTube and socials who will discuss all sorts of kit,
> carrying guns aren’t one of them, yes Americans are into guns in huge way
> but this seems to suggest that CatTrike is something of outlier even there.
>
> Roger Merriman

> "all sorts of kit, carrying guns aren’t one of them"

Unclear. IME most firearms owners, including carry, are wan
to discuss the matter. For good reason I might add:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/credit-card-sales-of-guns-and-ammo-merchant-codes/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/10/guns-credit-card-trackable

Strange that they also track exercise of 1st Amendment
rights but without prior constraint (background check, ID
card, license/permit/tax etc).

--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 17:55:43 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> On 2/1/2024 11:31 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 12:03:42 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/1/2024 9:57 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 1/31/2024 10:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm saying people like Mr. Tricycle who travel with guns do it out of
>>>>>> fear. You're not disputing my point. You're instead saying "By gorry,
>>>>>> he _should_ be afraid!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet most people in America are not. It's the ones with guns who are
>>>>>> timid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You describe him as 'fearful', not 'prudent'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Either or both may apply for any given situation.
>>>>> One chosen term is your analysis as an outside observer, the other the
>>>>> descriptor by the man who is actually there.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's fine to disagree about that but I don't see a dispositive argument
>>>>> either way.
>>>>
>>>> Please note, my remarks were about "people like Mr. Tricycle." From what
>>>> we can glean from his posts, he lives in a reasonably prosperous area,
>>>> unlike the worst areas of Chicago sometimes referenced here. Also unlike
>>>> Tom's hell hole. He rides ~exclusively on a bike trail, which are the
>>>> sort of places where young mothers push baby carriages.
>>>>
>>>> A person like Mr. Tricycle's "given situation" seems like one where only
>>>> a true paranoid would think he always needs the ability to kill another
>>>> person.
>>>>
>>>> He's afraid. So he carries a gun. Just like most people who always carry
>>>> guns.
>>>
>>> Many veterans carry a gun.
>>
>> They may well know things others do not.
>
>US ex military might well like guns though that’s not generally the case in
>uk ie guns are used for purpose and post military duty doesn’t seem to be a
>thing.
>
>Kinda unlikely it’s a logical thing, realistically if somewhere is risky
>enough that you need a gun? Probably unwise to go there.
>
>And the Americans on YouTube and socials who will discuss all sorts of kit,
>carrying guns aren’t one of them, yes Americans are into guns in huge way
>but this seems to suggest that CatTrike is something of outlier even there.
>
>Roger Merriman

Occasionally carrying guns, as I do, is gettting to be very common if
you believe the numbers of carry permits issued. Those number will
likely go down, now that it's allowed in many states without a permit.

On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 18:04:57 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 17:23:27 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> On 2/1/2024 4:12 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 23:12:17 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/31/2024 5:44 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Krybowski says he's ridden at night in his lilly-white super-safe
>>>>>>> neighborhood, so, of course, everyone else is perfectly safe walking
>>>>>>> anywhere at 0300. Well, at least I feel perfectly safe when I do it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So many lousy memories around here! I've said I've ridden home from work
>>>>>> in the dark many, many times, going through neighborhoods that are far
>>>>>> from "lily white," and never had problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> You've said a lot of things, but then, you're well known for bragging,
>>>>> making up stories and exaggerating. I don't believe anything you say.
>>>>
>>>> I just want to point out to others:
>>>>
>>>> If this tricycle rider tells any truth, he's in the same time zone I am.
>>>> Which means he apparently got back on his computer at 4 AM to
>>>> compulsively post about me.
>>>>
>>>> I think he's moving beyond compulsion, into certifiable mania.
>>>>
>>> He has said I believe that he?s a very early riser, hence posts in the wee
>>> hours, I?m in a very different time zone than all but two of the regular
>>> posters.
>>>
>>> Roger Merriman
>>
>> I can't tolerate lying in bed when I'm awake. I've usually got many,
>> many things to do, and I'm anxious to get started. The coffee pot
>> calls me.
>>
>
>I used to be a night owl but well my sleep is as is common fairly poor now,
>I do still like night rides though winter as I can’t deal with late nights
>anymore than early mornings!
>
>Roger Merriman

I've been a morning person all my life, even back before you could
record TV shows. What little TV I watch nowdays is all recorded.

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 12:18:20 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/1/2024 11:55 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>> On 2/1/2024 11:31 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 12:03:42 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/1/2024 9:57 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/31/2024 10:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm saying people like Mr. Tricycle who travel with guns do it out of
>>>>>>> fear. You're not disputing my point. You're instead saying "By gorry,
>>>>>>> he _should_ be afraid!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet most people in America are not. It's the ones with guns who are
>>>>>>> timid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You describe him as 'fearful', not 'prudent'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Either or both may apply for any given situation.
>>>>>> One chosen term is your analysis as an outside observer, the other the
>>>>>> descriptor by the man who is actually there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's fine to disagree about that but I don't see a dispositive argument
>>>>>> either way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please note, my remarks were about "people like Mr. Tricycle." From what
>>>>> we can glean from his posts, he lives in a reasonably prosperous area,
>>>>> unlike the worst areas of Chicago sometimes referenced here. Also unlike
>>>>> Tom's hell hole. He rides ~exclusively on a bike trail, which are the
>>>>> sort of places where young mothers push baby carriages.
>>>>>
>>>>> A person like Mr. Tricycle's "given situation" seems like one where only
>>>>> a true paranoid would think he always needs the ability to kill another
>>>>> person.
>>>>>
>>>>> He's afraid. So he carries a gun. Just like most people who always carry
>>>>> guns.
>>>>
>>>> Many veterans carry a gun.
>>>
>>> They may well know things others do not.
>>
>> US ex military might well like guns though that’s not generally the case in
>> uk ie guns are used for purpose and post military duty doesn’t seem to be a
>> thing.
>>
>> Kinda unlikely it’s a logical thing, realistically if somewhere is risky
>> enough that you need a gun? Probably unwise to go there.
>>
>> And the Americans on YouTube and socials who will discuss all sorts of kit,
>> carrying guns aren’t one of them, yes Americans are into guns in huge way
>> but this seems to suggest that CatTrike is something of outlier even there.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>
>
> > "all sorts of kit, carrying guns aren’t one of them"
>
>Unclear. IME most firearms owners, including carry, are wan
>to discuss the matter. For good reason I might add:
>
>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/credit-card-sales-of-guns-and-ammo-merchant-codes/
>
>https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/10/guns-credit-card-trackable
>
>Strange that they also track exercise of 1st Amendment
>rights but without prior constraint (background check, ID
>card, license/permit/tax etc).

I believe the credit card tracking has been struck down, but since the
Feds do require a background check to buy a gun, it was never an
issue. I know it's not legal for them to keep track of gun purchases,
but, then, when has that stopped the government from breaking the law.

On 2/1/2024 12:35 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 12:03:42 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> A person like Mr. Tricycle's "given situation" seems like one where only
>>> a true paranoid would think he always needs the ability to kill another
>>> person.
>>>
>>> He's afraid. So he carries a gun. Just like most people who always carry
>>> guns.
>
> They may well know things others do not.

More likely, they _believe_ things others do not. And their beliefs
generate fear.

But even if their beliefs are accurate - e.g. "If I walk to the pharmacy
and back, there's a significant chance someone is going to shoot at me"
(as if!) they are harboring a fear.

IOW realistic or not, they are afraid. So why do they carry a gun?
Because they are afraid.

The vast majority of people are less afraid.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2/1/2024 1:49 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/1/2024 12:35 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 12:03:42 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A person like Mr. Tricycle's "given situation" seems
>>>> like one where only
>>>> a true paranoid would think he always needs the ability
>>>> to kill another
>>>> person.
>>>>
>>>> He's afraid. So he carries a gun. Just like most people
>>>> who always carry
>>>> guns.
>>
>> They may well know things others do not.
>
> More likely, they _believe_ things others do not. And their
> beliefs generate fear.
>
> But even if their beliefs are accurate - e.g. "If I walk to
> the pharmacy and back, there's a significant chance someone
> is going to shoot at me" (as if!) they are harboring a fear.
>
> IOW realistic or not, they are afraid. So why do they carry
> a gun? Because they are afraid.
>
> The vast majority of people are less afraid.
>

All of that is extremely situational. I'll take Mr
Tricycle's opinion on his situation just as I accept your
analysis of yours.

I've written here before that I have never carried while
cycling, never felt the need. But in some other travels, in
specific neighborhoods, I habitually carry.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 1/31/2024 9:27 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:

<snip>

> And of course, rather than see what the CDC actually has to say about
> it, you simply buy into a right-wing conspiracy theory from a site known
> for spreading qanon theories.

The Epoch Times, LOL. Brought to you by Shen Yun. "The Epoch Times, a
right-wing media outlet affiliated with Falun Gong."

Sad to see gullible people falling for propaganda from Shen Yun, New
York Post, Washington Times, etc..

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

On 2/1/2024 2:17 PM, sms wrote:
> On 1/31/2024 9:27 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> And of course, rather than see what the CDC actually has
>> to say about it, you simply buy into a right-wing
>> conspiracy theory from a site known for spreading qanon
>> theories.
>
> The Epoch Times, LOL. Brought to you by Shen Yun. "The Epoch
> Times, a right-wing media outlet affiliated with Falun Gong."
>
> Sad to see gullible people falling for propaganda from Shen
> Yun, New York Post, Washington Times, etc..
>

Epoch Times is a quality paper which I enjoy. Girlfriend has
a subscription and I swap her for Wall St Journal. Being
founded by survivors of communist persecution should be
neither an endorsement nor a detraction; the paper stands on
its own merits.

4th largest circulation US paper:
https://www.niemanlab.org/reading/how-the-conspiracy-fueled-epoch-times-went-mainstream-and-made-millions/

I note particularly Nieman/Harvard's "big-money conservative
donors" comment, ignoring left-wing Mr Bezos, who's propping
up #3. meh.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 14:49:33 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/1/2024 12:35 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 12:03:42 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A person like Mr. Tricycle's "given situation" seems like one where only
>>>> a true paranoid would think he always needs the ability to kill another
>>>> person.
>>>>
>>>> He's afraid. So he carries a gun. Just like most people who always carry
>>>> guns.
>>
>> They may well know things others do not.
>
>More likely, they _believe_ things others do not. And their beliefs
>generate fear.
>
>But even if their beliefs are accurate - e.g. "If I walk to the pharmacy
>and back, there's a significant chance someone is going to shoot at me"
>(as if!) they are harboring a fear.
>
>IOW realistic or not, they are afraid. So why do they carry a gun?
>Because they are afraid.
>
>The vast majority of people are less afraid.

Having to build strawmen like that is ample evidence that Krygowski
doesn't have a real argument.

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 08:57:55 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 1/31/2024 10:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 1/31/2024 5:32 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>> I came across a study, said to be "The largest and most
>>> comprehensive
>>> survey of American gun owners ever conducted" and
>>> estimates that "guns
>>> are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately
>>> 1.67 million
>>> incidents per year."
>>> https://reason.com/2022/09/09/the-largest-ever-survey-of-american-gun-owners-finds-that-defensive-use-of-firearms-is-common/
>>> Thus the question of bravery and firearms apparently is
>>> somewhat
>>> different then the, "Ah...you got a gun you must be
>>> afraid" attitude.
>>
>> First, that survey has been discussed in detail. I can
>> review why it's very unlikely to mean what you think - but
>> you'll probably just forget again.
>>
>>> But having said that it should be noted that Frank does
>>> seem to tailor
>>> his posts to augment his arguments. I'm reminded of the
>>> account of the
>>> Black family that told me it wasn't safe to take a bus
>>> into the Opa
>>> Loka black housing estate - north of Miami - after dark.
>>> Frank
>>> objected to this comment as, he said, he had ridden past a
>>> number of
>>> Black housing projects with no problems. It appears that
>>> the opinion
>>> of an individual who "passes by" is superior to that of a
>>> family that
>>> have lived in the project for a number if years.
>>
>> And I think you're remembering that discussion and context
>> wrong. But it's largely immaterial to my point.
>>
>> I'm saying people like Mr. Tricycle who travel with guns do
>> it out of fear. You're not disputing my point. You're
>> instead saying "By gorry, he _should_ be afraid!"
>>
>> Yet most people in America are not. It's the ones with guns
>> who are timid.
>>
>
>You describe him as 'fearful', not 'prudent'.
>
>Either or both may apply for any given situation.
>One chosen term is your analysis as an outside observer, the
>other the descriptor by the man who is actually there.
>
>It's fine to disagree about that but I don't see a
>dispositive argument either way.

The concept that simply because one elects to carry a pistol,
apparently a legal act in the state in which the chap lives,
demonstrates that he is a coward is an appalling example of arrogance
and stupidity. And then I remember that this is the bloke that argued
that after being robbed at gun point there was no reason for me to
carry a gun and I realized that stupidity, arrogance and bigotry ARE
alive and well in the U.S.

And vote in your elections.... and teach your children.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 12:28:12 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

>On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 11:53:49 -0500, Frank Krygowski
><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>On 2/1/2024 4:12 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 23:12:17 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/31/2024 5:44 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Krybowski says he's ridden at night in his lilly-white super-safe
>>>>> neighborhood, so, of course, everyone else is perfectly safe walking
>>>>> anywhere at 0300. Well, at least I feel perfectly safe when I do it.
>>>>
>>>> So many lousy memories around here! I've said I've ridden home from work
>>>> in the dark many, many times, going through neighborhoods that are far
>>>>from "lily white," and never had problems.
>>>
>>> You've said a lot of things, but then, you're well known for bragging,
>>> making up stories and exaggerating. I don't believe anything you say.
>>
>>I just want to point out to others:
>>
>>If this tricycle rider tells any truth, he's in the same time zone I am.
>>Which means he apparently got back on his computer at 4 AM to
>>compulsively post about me.
>>
>>I think he's moving beyond compulsion, into certifiable mania.
>y to rise, and all that. Four or five hours of sleep is all I've ever
>needed.
>Early morning is the best time to write.
>
>I seldom sleep past three, and I'm often up at two. Usually sound
>asleep before eight. Early to bed, earl

But think how proud it must make Frankie feel...."Look! Look! He got
up so early! Just to speak to me!

Why, the next time he goes to the library he can brag about the bloke
in Florida that gets up so early to talk to me.

And sadly, believes it.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 05:47:01 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 12:28:12 -0500, Catrike Ryder
><Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 11:53:49 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2/1/2024 4:12 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 23:12:17 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/31/2024 5:44 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Krybowski says he's ridden at night in his lilly-white super-safe
>>>>>> neighborhood, so, of course, everyone else is perfectly safe walking
>>>>>> anywhere at 0300. Well, at least I feel perfectly safe when I do it.
>>>>>
>>>>> So many lousy memories around here! I've said I've ridden home from work
>>>>> in the dark many, many times, going through neighborhoods that are far
>>>>>from "lily white," and never had problems.
>>>>
>>>> You've said a lot of things, but then, you're well known for bragging,
>>>> making up stories and exaggerating. I don't believe anything you say.
>>>
>>>I just want to point out to others:
>>>
>>>If this tricycle rider tells any truth, he's in the same time zone I am.
>>>Which means he apparently got back on his computer at 4 AM to
>>>compulsively post about me.
>>>
>>>I think he's moving beyond compulsion, into certifiable mania.
>>y to rise, and all that. Four or five hours of sleep is all I've ever
>>needed.
>>Early morning is the best time to write.
>>
>>I seldom sleep past three, and I'm often up at two. Usually sound
>>asleep before eight. Early to bed, earl
>
>But think how proud it must make Frankie feel...."Look! Look! He got
>up so early! Just to speak to me!
>
>Why, the next time he goes to the library he can brag about the bloke
>in Florida that gets up so early to talk to me.
>
>And sadly, believes it.

Actually, he's usually too timid to reply to me.

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 11:35:14 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/1/2024 11:31 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 12:03:42 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/1/2024 9:57 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 1/31/2024 10:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm saying people like Mr. Tricycle who travel with guns do it out of
>>>>> fear. You're not disputing my point. You're instead saying "By gorry,
>>>>> he _should_ be afraid!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet most people in America are not. It's the ones with guns who are
>>>>> timid.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You describe him as 'fearful', not 'prudent'.
>>>>
>>>> Either or both may apply for any given situation.
>>>> One chosen term is your analysis as an outside observer, the other the
>>>> descriptor by the man who is actually there.
>>>>
>>>> It's fine to disagree about that but I don't see a dispositive argument
>>>> either way.
>>>
>>> Please note, my remarks were about "people like Mr. Tricycle." From what
>>> we can glean from his posts, he lives in a reasonably prosperous area,
>>> unlike the worst areas of Chicago sometimes referenced here. Also unlike
>>> Tom's hell hole. He rides ~exclusively on a bike trail, which are the
>>> sort of places where young mothers push baby carriages.
>>>
>>> A person like Mr. Tricycle's "given situation" seems like one where only
>>> a true paranoid would think he always needs the ability to kill another
>>> person.
>>>
>>> He's afraid. So he carries a gun. Just like most people who always carry
>>> guns.
>>
>> Many veterans carry a gun.
>
>They may well know things others do not.

As the old saying has it, it is far better to have a gun and not need
it then to need a gun and not have it :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 2/1/2024 4:56 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 11:35:14 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2/1/2024 11:31 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 12:03:42 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/1/2024 9:57 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 1/31/2024 10:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm saying people like Mr. Tricycle who travel with guns do it out of
>>>>>> fear. You're not disputing my point. You're instead saying "By gorry,
>>>>>> he _should_ be afraid!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet most people in America are not. It's the ones with guns who are
>>>>>> timid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You describe him as 'fearful', not 'prudent'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Either or both may apply for any given situation.
>>>>> One chosen term is your analysis as an outside observer, the other the
>>>>> descriptor by the man who is actually there.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's fine to disagree about that but I don't see a dispositive argument
>>>>> either way.
>>>>
>>>> Please note, my remarks were about "people like Mr. Tricycle." From what
>>>> we can glean from his posts, he lives in a reasonably prosperous area,
>>>> unlike the worst areas of Chicago sometimes referenced here. Also unlike
>>>> Tom's hell hole. He rides ~exclusively on a bike trail, which are the
>>>> sort of places where young mothers push baby carriages.
>>>>
>>>> A person like Mr. Tricycle's "given situation" seems like one where only
>>>> a true paranoid would think he always needs the ability to kill another
>>>> person.
>>>>
>>>> He's afraid. So he carries a gun. Just like most people who always carry
>>>> guns.
>>>
>>> Many veterans carry a gun.
>>
>> They may well know things others do not.
>
> As the old saying has it, it is far better to have a gun and not need
> it then to need a gun and not have it :-)

+1

https://abcnews.go.com/US/mom-fatally-shoots-home-invader-protect-2-kids/story?id=96336484
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am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

rOn Thu, 01 Feb 2024 17:32:07 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On 2/1/2024 10:03 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 2/1/2024 3:58 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 04:19:57 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 23:09:13 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's the ones with guns who are timid.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe that it's the weak-kneed weeinies, like krygowski, who are
>>>>> afraid of guns who are the timid ones.
>>>>>
>>>>> Veterans and retired police officers sometimes carry guns. I don't
>>>>> believe they can be catagorised as "timid."
>>>>
>>>> Well, Frank is afraid of Black Pickup Trucks. He wrote a terrifying
>>>> story about the black pickups following him and pouring out smoke. A
>>>> real heart throbbing tale.
>>>>
>>>> In fact it was so terrifying that I remember Mr. Andrew admonishing
>>>> him that pickup trucks are the most sold type of motor vehicle and
>>>> black was the most common color.
>>>>
>>>> Given that I owned one of the frightful things for about ten years I
>>>> would comment that anyone that would cringe in fear from a black
>>>> pickup trucks has no reason to ridicule others for carrying a gun. He
>>>> has already displayed his "bravery" for all the world to see.
>>>>
>>>> Shoot, my wife used to drive our pickup. An elderly lady hardly 5 feet
>>>> tall.
>>>
>>> I owned a $100 pickup and ran it until death (~5 years) but never
>>> realized that since it was blue I could sneak up on people looking out
>>> for black trucks. Missed opportunity.
>>
>> Let's remember that John's claim that I'm afraid of black pickups is
>> bullshit. I expressed irritation at yahoos who jack up their chrome
>> festooned, finely waxed toys, then use them to purposely blaze auxiliary
>> lights in the eyes of other drivers, tailgate, and roll coal. I
>> expressed no fear.
>>

The arrogance is mind boggling! If you want to use the public highway
you must do it in a manner that I approve of!

--
Cheers,

John B.