floriduh dumbass once again flaunted his willful ignorance in
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/6t1qDqyJtsk/m/ddK7VutSAAAJ:

I finally took the time to read the study referenced in the article
Frank linked, and as usual, the floriduh dumbass reads literature and
makes conclusions that are contradicted by the facts.

The report, its data, methods, and conclusions are here:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2807617

It isn't rhetoric, and it isn't undocumented.

> I guess Junior is unable to dispute that the "study" was bogus
> because of too much missing information. It counted
> deaths, not necessarily deaths due to covid, it didn't factor in the
> fact people died because of hurricanes, floods, bad weather, and other
> reasons.

Of course, this isn't true. The study calculated excess death rate,
which would include things like hurricanes, floods, bad weather, and
other reasons.

You remember excess deaths, dontcha dumbass? That's the metric you and
the other two stooges keeping harping on as some sort of ludicrous
attempt at justifying the claim that the vaccines are killing more
people than they are curing. If you three keep chanting the algorithm
proves your point, you don't get to claim it's not relevant here*.
You're entitle to your own opinion, you aren't entitled to your own
facts.

> It didn't even factor in the age of the deceased (some
> counties have older populations).

And of course, this is completely untrue as well, and proves beyond the
shadow of a doubt that the willfully ignorant floriduh dumbass didn't
read the study before flaunting his willful ignorance.

From the study:

"A cross-sectional comparison of excess mortality between registered
Republican and Democratic voters between March 2020 and December 2021
adjusted for age and state of voter registration was conducted. "

Let's parse that out for the dumbass, just because we know he didn't
comprehend the importance of that passage due to his 4th grade reading
comprehension:

"adjusted for age"

Not only that, but Supplement 1 in the study (linked in the JAMA
article) contains 4 tables broken down by age, and the study used a
Poisson statistical regression model which very explicitly used age:

log (𝜆{𝑡𝑝𝑎𝑐}) = 𝛼{𝑝𝑎𝑐} + 𝛾{𝑎𝑠(𝑐)}𝜔{𝑡}
𝑌{𝑡𝑝𝑎𝑐} ∼ 𝑃𝑜𝑖𝑠𝑠𝑜𝑛(𝜆{𝑡𝑝𝑎𝑐})

Where 𝛼 = age-bin

> IOW, there was no evidence
> presented that more Republicans died of covid than Democrats.

And of course, this is untrue as well. The study itself is evidence, and
also refers to other studies which suggest a causation of excess deaths
to party affiliation:

"Prior studies have found that Republican-leaning counties have had
higher COVID-19 death rates than Democratic-leaning counties."

As with any study published in JAMA, It has an extensive list of
references used to create the study including the other studies linking
party affiliation to covid death rates.

> He was, however able to accept the leftist organization's undocumented
> rhetoric, though.

lol..Lots to unpack there, Let's start with undocumented - I guess in
floriduh dumbass world a research paper published in arguably the worlds
foremost medical journal with a list of 25 references is "undocumented".

Then of course there's "leftist":
I suppose it comes as no surprise that someone from the dumbshine state
would consider the American Medical Association to be a "leftist
organization", as if the medical industry were more interested in
pushing a political agenda than the Hippocratic oath. Yes, that would be
the position NRA stooges and magatards like the floriduh dumbass,
kunich, and the shitstain would take, regardless of well-documented
evidence to the contrary. Your claim is just as ridiculous as kunich
suggesting reports from DARPA and the DOD are "leftist claims".

>
> No surprise there.

Yes, dumbass, there is no surprise that you reach conclusions and make
statements as fact completely devoid of any intellectual rigor.

It would be nice if, for once, you might be able to make a claim and
support it using a verified source, rather than using the kunich and
shitstain tack of bloviating demonstrably false bullshit.

*Yes, dumbass, I know you haven't made any comment in this forum
regarding excess death conspiracy "theories", but given your penchant
for accepting any undocumented rhetoric that suits your mindset and
agenda, it's not that far of a leap.

On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 7:38:03 AM UTC-8, zen cycle wrote:
> floriduh dumbass once again flaunted his willful ignorance in
> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/6t1qDqyJtsk/m/ddK7VutSAAAJ:
>
> I finally took the time to read the study referenced in the article
> Frank linked, and as usual, the floriduh dumbass reads literature and
> makes conclusions that are contradicted by the facts.
>
> The report, its data, methods, and conclusions are here:
>
> https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2807617
>
> It isn't rhetoric, and it isn't undocumented.
>
> > I guess Junior is unable to dispute that the "study" was bogus
> > because of too much missing information. It counted
> > deaths, not necessarily deaths due to covid, it didn't factor in the
> > fact people died because of hurricanes, floods, bad weather, and other
> > reasons.
>
> Of course, this isn't true. The study calculated excess death rate,
> which would include things like hurricanes, floods, bad weather, and
> other reasons.
>
> You remember excess deaths, dontcha dumbass? That's the metric you and
> the other two stooges keeping harping on as some sort of ludicrous
> attempt at justifying the claim that the vaccines are killing more
> people than they are curing. If you three keep chanting the algorithm
> proves your point, you don't get to claim it's not relevant here*.
> You're entitle to your own opinion, you aren't entitled to your own
> facts.
>
> > It didn't even factor in the age of the deceased (some
> > counties have older populations).
>
> And of course, this is completely untrue as well, and proves beyond the
> shadow of a doubt that the willfully ignorant floriduh dumbass didn't
> read the study before flaunting his willful ignorance.
>
> From the study:
>
> "A cross-sectional comparison of excess mortality between registered
> Republican and Democratic voters between March 2020 and December 2021
> adjusted for age and state of voter registration was conducted. "
>
> Let's parse that out for the dumbass, just because we know he didn't
> comprehend the importance of that passage due to his 4th grade reading
> comprehension:
>
> "adjusted for age"
>
> Not only that, but Supplement 1 in the study (linked in the JAMA
> article) contains 4 tables broken down by age, and the study used a
> Poisson statistical regression model which very explicitly used age:
>
> log (𝜆{𝑡𝑝𝑎𝑐}) = 𝛼{𝑝𝑎𝑐} + 𝛾{𝑎𝑠(𝑐)}𝜔{𝑡}
> 𝑌{𝑡𝑝𝑎𝑐} ∼ 𝑃𝑜𝑖𝑠𝑠𝑜𝑛(𝜆{𝑡𝑝𝑎𝑐})
>
> Where 𝛼 = age-bin
>
> > IOW, there was no evidence
> > presented that more Republicans died of covid than Democrats.
>
> And of course, this is untrue as well. The study itself is evidence, and
> also refers to other studies which suggest a causation of excess deaths
> to party affiliation:
>
> "Prior studies have found that Republican-leaning counties have had
> higher COVID-19 death rates than Democratic-leaning counties."
>
> As with any study published in JAMA, It has an extensive list of
> references used to create the study including the other studies linking
> party affiliation to covid death rates.
>
> > He was, however able to accept the leftist organization's undocumented
> > rhetoric, though.
>
> lol..Lots to unpack there, Let's start with undocumented - I guess in
> floriduh dumbass world a research paper published in arguably the worlds
> foremost medical journal with a list of 25 references is "undocumented".
>
> Then of course there's "leftist":
> I suppose it comes as no surprise that someone from the dumbshine state
> would consider the American Medical Association to be a "leftist
> organization", as if the medical industry were more interested in
> pushing a political agenda than the Hippocratic oath. Yes, that would be
> the position NRA stooges and magatards like the floriduh dumbass,
> kunich, and the shitstain would take, regardless of well-documented
> evidence to the contrary. Your claim is just as ridiculous as kunich
> suggesting reports from DARPA and the DOD are "leftist claims".
>
> >
> > No surprise there.
>
> Yes, dumbass, there is no surprise that you reach conclusions and make
> statements as fact completely devoid of any intellectual rigor.
>
> It would be nice if, for once, you might be able to make a claim and
> support it using a verified source, rather than using the kunich and
> shitstain tack of bloviating demonstrably false bullshit.
>
> *Yes, dumbass, I know you haven't made any comment in this forum
> regarding excess death conspiracy "theories", but given your penchant
> for accepting any undocumented rhetoric that suits your mindset and
> agenda, it's not that far of a leap.

You really have to be stupid to believe that party preference corrected for age would have the slightest effect on mortality. Do you ever bother to look in the mirror in the morning and realize what a total loser you are?

On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 11:28:23 AM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> You really have to be stupid to believe that party preference corrected for age would have the slightest effect on mortality.

You aren't bright enough to understand how the study factored age into the algorithm.

> Do you ever bother to look in the mirror in the morning and realize what a total loser you are?

Funny coming from a complete idiot who thinks your can pop a dent out of a top tube by riding the bike. Have you figured out why your chain keeps dropping off the big chainring yet?

Am 28.01.2024 um 17:28 schrieb Tom Kunich:
> On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 7:38:03 AM UTC-8, zen cycle wrote:
>> floriduh dumbass once again flaunted his willful ignorance in
>> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/6t1qDqyJtsk/m/ddK7VutSAAAJ:
>>
>>
>>
I finally took the time to read the study referenced in the article
>> Frank linked, and as usual, the floriduh dumbass reads literature
>> and makes conclusions that are contradicted by the facts.
>>
>> The report, its data, methods, and conclusions are here:
>>
>> https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2807617
>>
>>
>>
It isn't rhetoric, and it isn't undocumented.
>>
>>> I guess Junior is unable to dispute that the "study" was bogus
>>> because of too much missing information. It counted deaths, not
>>> necessarily deaths due to covid, it didn't factor in the fact
>>> people died because of hurricanes, floods, bad weather, and
>>> other reasons.
>>
>> Of course, this isn't true. The study calculated excess death
>> rate, which would include things like hurricanes, floods, bad
>> weather, and other reasons.
>>
>> You remember excess deaths, dontcha dumbass? That's the metric you
>> and the other two stooges keeping harping on as some sort of
>> ludicrous attempt at justifying the claim that the vaccines are
>> killing more people than they are curing. If you three keep
>> chanting the algorithm proves your point, you don't get to claim
>> it's not relevant here*. You're entitle to your own opinion, you
>> aren't entitled to your own facts.
>>
>>> It didn't even factor in the age of the deceased (some counties
>>> have older populations).
>>
>> And of course, this is completely untrue as well, and proves beyond
>> the shadow of a doubt that the willfully ignorant floriduh dumbass
>> didn't read the study before flaunting his willful ignorance.
>>
>> From the study:
>>
>> "A cross-sectional comparison of excess mortality between
>> registered Republican and Democratic voters between March 2020 and
>> December 2021 adjusted for age and state of voter registration was
>> conducted. "
>>
>> Let's parse that out for the dumbass, just because we know he
>> didn't comprehend the importance of that passage due to his 4th
>> grade reading comprehension:
>>
>> "adjusted for age"
>>
>> Not only that, but Supplement 1 in the study (linked in the JAMA
>> article) contains 4 tables broken down by age, and the study used
>> a Poisson statistical regression model which very explicitly used
>> age:
>>
>> log (𝜆{𝑡𝑝𝑎𝑐}) = 𝛼{𝑝𝑎𝑐} + 𝛾{𝑎𝑠(𝑐)}𝜔{𝑡} 𝑌{𝑡𝑝𝑎𝑐} ∼
>> 𝑃𝑜𝑖𝑠𝑠𝑜𝑛(𝜆{𝑡𝑝𝑎𝑐})
>>
>> Where 𝛼 = age-bin
>>
>>> IOW, there was no evidence presented that more Republicans died
>>> of covid than Democrats.
>>
>> And of course, this is untrue as well. The study itself is
>> evidence, and also refers to other studies which suggest a
>> causation of excess deaths to party affiliation:
>>
>> "Prior studies have found that Republican-leaning counties have
>> had higher COVID-19 death rates than Democratic-leaning counties."
>>
>> As with any study published in JAMA, It has an extensive list of
>> references used to create the study including the other studies
>> linking party affiliation to covid death rates.
>>
>>> He was, however able to accept the leftist organization's
>>> undocumented rhetoric, though.
>>
>> lol..Lots to unpack there, Let's start with undocumented - I guess
>> in floriduh dumbass world a research paper published in arguably
>> the worlds foremost medical journal with a list of 25 references is
>> "undocumented".
>>
>> Then of course there's "leftist": I suppose it comes as no surprise
>> that someone from the dumbshine state would consider the American
>> Medical Association to be a "leftist organization", as if the
>> medical industry were more interested in pushing a political agenda
>> than the Hippocratic oath. Yes, that would be the position NRA
>> stooges and magatards like the floriduh dumbass, kunich, and the
>> shitstain would take, regardless of well-documented evidence to the
>> contrary. Your claim is just as ridiculous as kunich suggesting
>> reports from DARPA and the DOD are "leftist claims".
>>
>>>
>>> No surprise there.
>>
>> Yes, dumbass, there is no surprise that you reach conclusions and
>> make statements as fact completely devoid of any intellectual
>> rigor.
>>
>> It would be nice if, for once, you might be able to make a claim
>> and support it using a verified source, rather than using the
>> kunich and shitstain tack of bloviating demonstrably false
>> bullshit.
>>
>> *Yes, dumbass, I know you haven't made any comment in this forum
>> regarding excess death conspiracy "theories", but given your
>> penchant for accepting any undocumented rhetoric that suits your
>> mindset and agenda, it's not that far of a leap.

> You really have to be stupid to believe that party preference
> corrected for age would have the slightest effect on mortality.
You would be stupid to assume that party preference has a *direct* effet
on mortality.
But when party preference has an effet on vaxxination rates, you'd
expect it to have an effect on mortality.

On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 11:50:32 +0100, Rolf Mantel
<news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:

>Am 28.01.2024 um 17:28 schrieb Tom Kunich:
>> On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 7:38:03?AM UTC-8, zen cycle wrote:
>>> floriduh dumbass once again flaunted his willful ignorance in
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/6t1qDqyJtsk/m/ddK7VutSAAAJ:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>I finally took the time to read the study referenced in the article
>>> Frank linked, and as usual, the floriduh dumbass reads literature
>>> and makes conclusions that are contradicted by the facts.
>>>
>>> The report, its data, methods, and conclusions are here:
>>>
>>> https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2807617
>>>
>>>
>>>
>It isn't rhetoric, and it isn't undocumented.

The "documentation" tells about a few, but not all the assumptions.
Even when they document the assumptions, they're still assumptions.

On 1/29/2024 2:50 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:

<snip>

> You would be stupid to assume that party preference has a *direct* effet
> on mortality.
> But when party preference has an effet on vaxxination rates, you'd
> expect it to have an effect on mortality.

It is both correlation and causation.

"Excess Death Rates for Republican and Democratic Registered Voters in
Florida and Ohio During the COVID-19 Pandemic"
<https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/2807617>

But you could likely see the same result if you went by education
levels, with the poorly educated voters less likely to get vaccinated,
more likely to be Republican, and more likely to believe in the fake
cures promoted by Trump et al.

You'd see the same results if you went by household wealth since
Democrats hold 44.6% more wealth than Republicans even though
Republicans have higher average incomes (42% of households making
$200,000+ are Democratic versus 58% of the households making $200,000+
are Republican). Obviously Democrats do better with their savings and
investments.

And of course education level correlates to party affiliation with less
educated voters more likely to be Republican "in 2022 voters with and
without college degrees each accounted for roughly half of the
Democratic Party’s voters in 2022 (51% held college degrees while 49%
did not). By contrast, a majority of Republican voters in 2022 had no
college degree (63%); a smaller share had a college degree or more
(37%)." “We won with the poorly educated. I love the poorly educated.” ―
Donald Trump in 2016 in Las Vegas Nevada.

On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 15:38:53 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:

>On 1/29/2024 2:50 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> You would be stupid to assume that party preference has a *direct* effet
>> on mortality.
>> But when party preference has an effet on vaxxination rates, you'd
>> expect it to have an effect on mortality.
>
>It is both correlation and causation.
>
>"Excess Death Rates for Republican and Democratic Registered Voters in
>Florida and Ohio During the COVID-19 Pandemic"
><https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/2807617>
>
>But you could likely see the same result if you went by education
>levels, with the poorly educated voters less likely to get vaccinated,
>more likely to be Republican, and more likely to believe in the fake
>cures promoted by Trump et al.
>
>You'd see the same results if you went by household wealth since
>Democrats hold 44.6% more wealth than Republicans even though
>Republicans have higher average incomes (42% of households making
>$200,000+ are Democratic versus 58% of the households making $200,000+
>are Republican). Obviously Democrats do better with their savings and
>investments.
>
>And of course education level correlates to party affiliation with less
>educated voters more likely to be Republican "in 2022 voters with and
>without college degrees each accounted for roughly half of the
>Democratic Party’s voters in 2022 (51% held college degrees while 49%
>did not). By contrast, a majority of Republican voters in 2022 had no
>college degree (63%); a smaller share had a college degree or more
>(37%)." “We won with the poorly educated. I love the poorly educated.” ?
>Donald Trump in 2016 in Las Vegas Nevada.

People hate Trump for what he says. More people hate Biden for what he
does.

On 1/29/2024 6:38 PM, sms wrote:
>
> And of course education level correlates to party affiliation with less
> educated voters more likely to be Republican "in 2022 voters with and
> without college degrees each accounted for roughly half of the
> Democratic Party’s voters in 2022 (51% held college degrees while 49%
> did not). By contrast, a majority of Republican voters in 2022 had no
> college degree (63%); a smaller share had a college degree or more
> (37%)." “We won with the poorly educated. I love the poorly educated.” ―
> Donald Trump in 2016 in Las Vegas Nevada.

As we've seen here, the right wing response is the claim that education
is bad for you!

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 22:28:29 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 1/29/2024 6:38 PM, sms wrote:
>>
>> And of course education level correlates to party affiliation with less
>> educated voters more likely to be Republican "in 2022 voters with and
>> without college degrees each accounted for roughly half of the
>> Democratic Party’s voters in 2022 (51% held college degrees while 49%
>> did not). By contrast, a majority of Republican voters in 2022 had no
>> college degree (63%); a smaller share had a college degree or more
>> (37%)." “We won with the poorly educated. I love the poorly educated.” ?
>> Donald Trump in 2016 in Las Vegas Nevada.
>
>As we've seen here, the right wing response is the claim that education
>is bad for you!

Unable to deal with what people really say, Krygowski, in his
narcissistic mindset, has to invent things to respond to.

The "straw man" technique is a common tactic used by narcissists in
order to discredit their victim's thoughts, feelings, and opinions.
This technique involves misrepresenting or distorting the victim's
point of view in order to create an argument that is easy for the
narcissist to win. Essentially, the narcissist creates a "straw man"
version of their victim's argument, which is a distorted and
exaggerated version of what the victim actually believes, and then
proceeds to attack and discredit that version of the argument.

Narcissists use the "straw man" technique in order to maintain control
over their victims and to avoid taking responsibility for their own
behavior. By misrepresenting the victim's point of view, the
narcissist can avoid addressing the real issue and shift the focus
onto the distorted argument they have created. They may also use the
"straw man" technique to make themselves appear more reasonable or
intelligent by attacking a weaker, exaggerated version of the victim's
argument.

https://www.standcoaching.com/post/unraveling-the-straw-man-recognizing-and-overcoming-narcissistic-deception

On Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 3:22:50 AM UTC-5, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 22:28:29 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 1/29/2024 6:38 PM, sms wrote:
> >>
> >> And of course education level correlates to party affiliation with less
> >> educated voters more likely to be Republican "in 2022 voters with and
> >> without college degrees each accounted for roughly half of the
> >> Democratic Party’s voters in 2022 (51% held college degrees while 49%
> >> did not). By contrast, a majority of Republican voters in 2022 had no
> >> college degree (63%); a smaller share had a college degree or more
> >> (37%)." “We won with the poorly educated. I love the poorly educated.” ?
> >> Donald Trump in 2016 in Las Vegas Nevada.
> >
> >As we've seen here, the right wing response is the claim that education
> >is bad for you!
> Unable to deal with what people really say, Krygowski, in his
> narcissistic mindset, has to invent things to respond to.
>
> The "straw man" technique is a common tactic used by narcissists in
> order to discredit their victim's thoughts, feelings, and opinions.
> This technique involves misrepresenting or distorting the victim's
> point of view in order to create an argument that is easy for the
> narcissist to win. Essentially, the narcissist creates a "straw man"
> version of their victim's argument, which is a distorted and
> exaggerated version of what the victim actually believes, and then
> proceeds to attack and discredit that version of the argument.
>
> Narcissists use the "straw man" technique in order to maintain control
> over their victims and to avoid taking responsibility for their own
> behavior. By misrepresenting the victim's point of view, the
> narcissist can avoid addressing the real issue and shift the focus
> onto the distorted argument they have created. They may also use the
> "straw man" technique to make themselves appear more reasonable or
> intelligent by attacking a weaker, exaggerated version of the victim's
> argument.
>
> https://www.standcoaching.com/post/unraveling-the-straw-man-recognizing-and-overcoming-narcissistic-deception

lol...to say nothing of the tactic of creating the "narcissist strawman"......Check the mirror, dumbass, (yes, we know, you look in the mirror and like what you see, that irony is completely lost on you)

On 1/29/2024 9:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 1/29/2024 6:38 PM, sms wrote:
>>
>> And of course education level correlates to party
>> affiliation with less educated voters more likely to be
>> Republican "in 2022 voters with and without college
>> degrees each accounted for roughly half of the Democratic
>> Party’s voters in 2022 (51% held college degrees while 49%
>> did not). By contrast, a majority of Republican voters in
>> 2022 had no college degree (63%); a smaller share had a
>> college degree or more (37%)." “We won with the poorly
>> educated. I love the poorly educated.” ― Donald Trump in
>> 2016 in Las Vegas Nevada.
>
> As we've seen here, the right wing response is the claim
> that education is bad for you!
>

Some people distinguish, within 'education', between Darwin
and Lysenko. Other's can't.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 05:22:16 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 3:22:50?AM UTC-5, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 22:28:29 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On 1/29/2024 6:38 PM, sms wrote:
>> >>
>> >> And of course education level correlates to party affiliation with less
>> >> educated voters more likely to be Republican "in 2022 voters with and
>> >> without college degrees each accounted for roughly half of the
>> >> Democratic Party’s voters in 2022 (51% held college degrees while 49%
>> >> did not). By contrast, a majority of Republican voters in 2022 had no
>> >> college degree (63%); a smaller share had a college degree or more
>> >> (37%)." “We won with the poorly educated. I love the poorly educated.” ?
>> >> Donald Trump in 2016 in Las Vegas Nevada.
>> >
>> >As we've seen here, the right wing response is the claim that education
>> >is bad for you!
>> Unable to deal with what people really say, Krygowski, in his
>> narcissistic mindset, has to invent things to respond to.
>>
>> The "straw man" technique is a common tactic used by narcissists in
>> order to discredit their victim's thoughts, feelings, and opinions.
>> This technique involves misrepresenting or distorting the victim's
>> point of view in order to create an argument that is easy for the
>> narcissist to win. Essentially, the narcissist creates a "straw man"
>> version of their victim's argument, which is a distorted and
>> exaggerated version of what the victim actually believes, and then
>> proceeds to attack and discredit that version of the argument.
>>
>> Narcissists use the "straw man" technique in order to maintain control
>> over their victims and to avoid taking responsibility for their own
>> behavior. By misrepresenting the victim's point of view, the
>> narcissist can avoid addressing the real issue and shift the focus
>> onto the distorted argument they have created. They may also use the
>> "straw man" technique to make themselves appear more reasonable or
>> intelligent by attacking a weaker, exaggerated version of the victim's
>> argument.
>>
>> https://www.standcoaching.com/post/unraveling-the-straw-man-recognizing-and-overcoming-narcissistic-deception
>
> lol...to say nothing of the tactic of creating the "narcissist strawman".....Check the mirror, dumbass, (yes, we know, you look in the mirror and like what you see, that irony is completely lost on you)

Indeed, my self-esteem is quite adequit, so I have no need to brag
like Krygowski does.

<SMILE>

However feeling good about one's self is not what narcissim is all
about. It actually, quite the opposite.

The Insecurity Behind Narcissistic Personality (NPD) Explained

It’s not uncommon to hear “narcissism” and “narcissist” used to
casually describe people who:

Seem vain and self-centered
Seem to care only about themselves
Demand attention, admiration, and respect
Exaggerate achievements
Manipulate others for their own purposes

While these traits are all associated with narcissistic personality
disorder (NPD), people with just a few of these traits may not
necessarily meet criteria for diagnosis. What’s more, other
significant characteristics of narcissism are less recognizable, so
they aren’t always associated with the condition.

It’s generally a good idea to avoid labeling people with mental health
diagnoses when you don’t have a full picture of their mental health.
In other words, someone’s diagnosis is typically between them and
their therapist or psychologist, unless they choose to share that
diagnosis. But it is true that people with traits of narcissism
generally show a mask of superiority and arrogance to the world. They
may seem full of themselves, demand appreciation from others, and
appear to have high self-esteem. But an inner core of insecurity often
lies behind this mask.

Narcissism and Insecurity

According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders
(DSM-5), people with NPD almost always have a fragile sense of
self-esteem. Because of this, they spend a lot of time thinking about
how others perceive them and how well they’re doing in life. This
insecurity contributes to the continuous demand for admiration
associated with NPD.

On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 07:30:41 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 1/29/2024 9:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 1/29/2024 6:38 PM, sms wrote:
>>>
>>> And of course education level correlates to party
>>> affiliation with less educated voters more likely to be
>>> Republican "in 2022 voters with and without college
>>> degrees each accounted for roughly half of the Democratic
>>> Party’s voters in 2022 (51% held college degrees while 49%
>>> did not). By contrast, a majority of Republican voters in
>>> 2022 had no college degree (63%); a smaller share had a
>>> college degree or more (37%)." “We won with the poorly
>>> educated. I love the poorly educated.” ? Donald Trump in
>>> 2016 in Las Vegas Nevada.
>>
>> As we've seen here, the right wing response is the claim
>> that education is bad for you!
>>
>
>Some people distinguish, within 'education', between Darwin
>and Lysenko. Other's can't.

"Education" has many forms. Last summer, I learned how to lace a
bicycle wheel. Yesterday, I learned how to replace my old doorbell
camera with a new, higher quality one. This morning, I'm learning how
to work with my new AI photo editor to help me create book covers. I
take educating myself very seriously.

On 1/30/2024 8:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>
>
> Indeed, my self-esteem is quite adequit ...

:-) There's a gem!

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On 1/30/2024 8:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/29/2024 9:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 1/29/2024 6:38 PM, sms wrote:
>>>
>>> And of course education level correlates to party affiliation with
>>> less educated voters more likely to be Republican "in 2022 voters
>>> with and without college degrees each accounted for roughly half of
>>> the Democratic Party’s voters in 2022 (51% held college degrees while
>>> 49% did not). By contrast, a majority of Republican voters in 2022
>>> had no college degree (63%); a smaller share had a college degree or
>>> more (37%)." “We won with the poorly educated. I love the poorly
>>> educated.” ― Donald Trump in 2016 in Las Vegas Nevada.
>>
>> As we've seen here, the right wing response is the claim that
>> education is bad for you!
>>
>
> Some people distinguish, within 'education', between Darwin and Lysenko.
> Other's can't.

I'd say it's mostly the uneducated who can't.

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- Frank Krygowski

On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 12:17:34 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 1/30/2024 8:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>
>>
>> Indeed, my self-esteem is quite adequit ...
>
>:-) There's a gem!

Krygowski can't deal with my posts without snipping what he can't bear
to look at. Here's my complete sentence:

Indeed, my self-esteem is quite adequit, so I have no need to brag
like Krygowski does.

On 1/30/2024 12:30 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 12:17:34 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 1/30/2024 8:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Indeed, my self-esteem is quite adequit ...
>>
>> :-) There's a gem!
>
> Krygowski can't deal with my posts without snipping what he can't bear
> to look at. Here's my complete sentence:
>
> Indeed, my self-esteem is quite adequit, so I have no need to brag
> like Krygowski does.

Whoosh! :-)

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- Frank Krygowski

On 1/30/2024 11:21 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 1/30/2024 8:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 1/29/2024 9:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 1/29/2024 6:38 PM, sms wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And of course education level correlates to party
>>>> affiliation with less educated voters more likely to be
>>>> Republican "in 2022 voters with and without college
>>>> degrees each accounted for roughly half of the
>>>> Democratic Party’s voters in 2022 (51% held college
>>>> degrees while 49% did not). By contrast, a majority of
>>>> Republican voters in 2022 had no college degree (63%); a
>>>> smaller share had a college degree or more (37%)." “We
>>>> won with the poorly educated. I love the poorly
>>>> educated.” ― Donald Trump in 2016 in Las Vegas Nevada.
>>>
>>> As we've seen here, the right wing response is the claim
>>> that education is bad for you!
>>>
>>
>> Some people distinguish, within 'education', between
>> Darwin and Lysenko. Other's can't.
>
> I'd say it's mostly the uneducated who can't.
>

Hinges on one's definition of 'education' which many feel is
at sometimes variance from attendance or certification.
Recent example:

https://www.acsh.org/news/2023/07/09/fathers-milk-cdcs-science-free-breastfeeding-advice-17184

Which brings to mind the wisdom of the ancients:
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/10656075-this-is-one-of-those-views-which-are-so-absurd

--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 1/30/2024 1:14 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/30/2024 11:21 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 1/30/2024 8:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 1/29/2024 9:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 1/29/2024 6:38 PM, sms wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> And of course education level correlates to party affiliation with
>>>>> less educated voters more likely to be Republican "in 2022 voters
>>>>> with and without college degrees each accounted for roughly half of
>>>>> the Democratic Party’s voters in 2022 (51% held college degrees
>>>>> while 49% did not). By contrast, a majority of Republican voters in
>>>>> 2022 had no college degree (63%); a smaller share had a college
>>>>> degree or more (37%)." “We won with the poorly educated. I love the
>>>>> poorly educated.” ― Donald Trump in 2016 in Las Vegas Nevada.
>>>>
>>>> As we've seen here, the right wing response is the claim that
>>>> education is bad for you!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Some people distinguish, within 'education', between Darwin and
>>> Lysenko. Other's can't.
>>
>> I'd say it's mostly the uneducated who can't.
>>
>
> Hinges on one's definition of 'education' which many feel is at
> sometimes variance from attendance or certification. Recent example:
>
> https://www.acsh.org/news/2023/07/09/fathers-milk-cdcs-science-free-breastfeeding-advice-17184
>
> Which brings to mind the wisdom of the ancients:
> https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/10656075-this-is-one-of-those-views-which-are-so-absurd

You seem to spend a LOT Of time searching for extreme outliers!

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On 1/30/2024 12:59 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 1/30/2024 12:30 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 12:17:34 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/30/2024 8:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, my self-esteem is quite adequit ...
>>>
>>> :-)  There's a gem!
>>
>> Krygowski can't deal with my posts without snipping what he can't bear
>> to look at.  Here's my complete sentence:
>>
>> Indeed, my self-esteem is quite adequit, so I have no need to brag
>> like Krygowski does.
>
> Whoosh!  :-)
>

yup!

On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 05:41:59 -0500, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 1/30/2024 12:59 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 1/30/2024 12:30 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 12:17:34 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/30/2024 8:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed, my self-esteem is quite adequit ...
>>>>
>>>> :-)  There's a gem!
>>>
>>> Krygowski can't deal with my posts without snipping what he can't bear
>>> to look at.  Here's my complete sentence:
>>>
>>> Indeed, my self-esteem is quite adequit, so I have no need to brag
>>> like Krygowski does.
>>
>> Whoosh!  :-)
>>
>
>yup!

<EYEROLL> Are Junior Carrington and Frankie Krygowski actually
implying that my claim to being adequate is bragging?

Well, I know they're not all that bright, but suggesting that one
might brag about being adequate would be really stupid. I'll give them
the benefit of the doubt. They must have meant something else.

On the other hand, this is what real bragging looks like.

"I ride as a competent adult on normal roads. I've taught others to do
that, and I've been recognized for such work. The remarks I posted
above were not bragging."
--Frank Krygowski
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/DyBp-Is96bs/m/d04XP9qBBwAJ

On 1/31/2024 6:10 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 05:41:59 -0500, zen cycle
> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/30/2024 12:59 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 1/30/2024 12:30 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 12:17:34 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/30/2024 8:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed, my self-esteem is quite adequit ...
>>>>>
>>>>> :-)  There's a gem!
>>>>
>>>> Krygowski can't deal with my posts without snipping what he can't bear
>>>> to look at.  Here's my complete sentence:
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, my self-esteem is quite adequit, so I have no need to brag
>>>> like Krygowski does.
>>>
>>> Whoosh!  :-)
>>>
>>
>> yup!
>
>
> <EYEROLL> Are Junior Carrington and Frankie Krygowski actually
> implying that my claim to being adequate is bragging?

It's just s braggadocios as "I ride as a competent adult on normal
roads. I've taught others to do that, and I've been recognized for such
work" in the context that it was posted. Your parsing of Franks
statement is an example of intellectual dishonesty.

>
> Well, I know they're not all that bright,

that's funny coming from someone who says legislation specifically
forbidding prosecution for religious objections actually allows for
prosecution of of religious objection.

but suggesting that one
> might brag about being adequate would be really stupid.

Q.E.D.

> I'll give them
> the benefit of the doubt. They must have meant something else.
>
> On the other hand, this is what real bragging looks like.
>
> "I ride as a competent adult on normal roads. I've taught others to do
> that, and I've been recognized for such work. The remarks I posted
> above were not bragging."
> --Frank Krygowski
> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/DyBp-Is96bs/m/d04XP9qBBwAJ

No, dumbass, that _isn't_ bragging. He was responding to a question
about his qualifications. I Know you're not all that bright, but your
repeated attempts to paint it as narcissism and braggadocio only further
confirm your 4th grade reading comprehension.

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On 1/30/2024 9:14 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 07:30:41 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 1/29/2024 9:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 1/29/2024 6:38 PM, sms wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And of course education level correlates to party
>>>> affiliation with less educated voters more likely to be
>>>> Republican "in 2022 voters with and without college
>>>> degrees each accounted for roughly half of the Democratic
>>>> Party’s voters in 2022 (51% held college degrees while 49%
>>>> did not). By contrast, a majority of Republican voters in
>>>> 2022 had no college degree (63%); a smaller share had a
>>>> college degree or more (37%)." “We won with the poorly
>>>> educated. I love the poorly educated.” ? Donald Trump in
>>>> 2016 in Las Vegas Nevada.
>>>
>>> As we've seen here, the right wing response is the claim
>>> that education is bad for you!
>>>
>>
>> Some people distinguish, within 'education', between Darwin
>> and Lysenko. Other's can't.
>
> "Education" has many forms. Last summer, I learned how to lace a
> bicycle wheel. Yesterday, I learned how to replace my old doorbell
> camera with a new, higher quality one. This morning, I'm learning how
> to work with my new AI photo editor to help me create book covers. I
> take educating myself very seriously.

<sigh>

more undocumented bragadoccio from the floriduh dumbass.
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On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 08:06:40 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On 1/30/2024 9:14 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 07:30:41 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/29/2024 9:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 1/29/2024 6:38 PM, sms wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> And of course education level correlates to party
>>>>> affiliation with less educated voters more likely to be
>>>>> Republican "in 2022 voters with and without college
>>>>> degrees each accounted for roughly half of the Democratic
>>>>> Party’s voters in 2022 (51% held college degrees while 49%
>>>>> did not). By contrast, a majority of Republican voters in
>>>>> 2022 had no college degree (63%); a smaller share had a
>>>>> college degree or more (37%)." “We won with the poorly
>>>>> educated. I love the poorly educated.” ? Donald Trump in
>>>>> 2016 in Las Vegas Nevada.
>>>>
>>>> As we've seen here, the right wing response is the claim
>>>> that education is bad for you!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Some people distinguish, within 'education', between Darwin
>>> and Lysenko. Other's can't.
>>
>> "Education" has many forms. Last summer, I learned how to lace a
>> bicycle wheel. Yesterday, I learned how to replace my old doorbell
>> camera with a new, higher quality one. This morning, I'm learning how
>> to work with my new AI photo editor to help me create book covers. I
>> take educating myself very seriously.
>
><sigh>
>
>more undocumented bragadoccio from the floriduh dumbass.

<LOL> Junior believes that claiming to do ordinary things is
"bragadoccio." I also made coffee this morning, and later this
afternoon, I'll take the garbage out.

On 1/31/2024 8:33 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 08:06:40 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 1/30/2024 9:14 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 07:30:41 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/29/2024 9:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 1/29/2024 6:38 PM, sms wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And of course education level correlates to party
>>>>>> affiliation with less educated voters more likely to be
>>>>>> Republican "in 2022 voters with and without college
>>>>>> degrees each accounted for roughly half of the Democratic
>>>>>> Party’s voters in 2022 (51% held college degrees while 49%
>>>>>> did not). By contrast, a majority of Republican voters in
>>>>>> 2022 had no college degree (63%); a smaller share had a
>>>>>> college degree or more (37%)." “We won with the poorly
>>>>>> educated. I love the poorly educated.” ? Donald Trump in
>>>>>> 2016 in Las Vegas Nevada.
>>>>>
>>>>> As we've seen here, the right wing response is the claim
>>>>> that education is bad for you!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some people distinguish, within 'education', between Darwin
>>>> and Lysenko. Other's can't.
>>>
>>> "Education" has many forms. Last summer, I learned how to lace a
>>> bicycle wheel. Yesterday, I learned how to replace my old doorbell
>>> camera with a new, higher quality one. This morning, I'm learning how
>>> to work with my new AI photo editor to help me create book covers. I
>>> take educating myself very seriously.
>>
>> <sigh>
>>
>> more undocumented bragadoccio from the floriduh dumbass.
>
>
> <LOL> Junior believes that claiming to do ordinary things is
> "bragadoccio." I also made coffee this morning, and later this
> afternoon, I'll take the garbage out.

Good to know you're living up to your potential.
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