On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 02:25:52 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
wrote:

>I saw a picture of a Tokyo subway car. Molded plastic unpadded seats.
> No more comfortable padding. Know why? Because the vermin vandalized the padding, cutting it. Just one more way the lower-class make things worse for people.

We have a "lower-class" because of people like you.

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 2:20:06 PM UTC, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 02:25:52 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I saw a picture of a Tokyo subway car. Molded plastic unpadded seats.
> > No more comfortable padding. Know why? Because the vermin vandalized the padding, cutting it. Just one more way the lower-class make things worse for people.
>
> We have a "lower-class" because of people like you.

RichA hasn't vandalized any subway seats.

Maybe you haven't either, mostly because you hardly ever ride a subway.

Lower class? That's you, for accusing people of thought crimes. You'll never be guilty because you would actually have to think.

Solid plastic seats are easier to keep sanitary. Cloth and vinyl can look clean but be filthy and are not easy to sanitize. That's probably why Tokyo made the switch.

On Mon, 1 May 2023 04:55:51 -0700 (PDT), W <wsnell01@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 2:20:06?PM UTC, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 02:25:52 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I saw a picture of a Tokyo subway car. Molded plastic unpadded seats.
>> > No more comfortable padding. Know why? Because the vermin vandalized the padding, cutting it. Just one more way the lower-class make things worse for people.
>>
>> We have a "lower-class" because of people like you.
>
>RichA hasn't vandalized any subway seats.
>
No. Like you, he's just a bitter old asshole full of hatred. Which is
the source of all our social woes.

On Mon, 1 May 2023 16:01:07 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Monday, 1 May 2023 at 07:55:53 UTC-4, W wrote:
>> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 2:20:06?PM UTC, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> > On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 02:25:52 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >I saw a picture of a Tokyo subway car. Molded plastic unpadded seats.
>> > > No more comfortable padding. Know why? Because the vermin vandalized the padding, cutting it. Just one more way the lower-class make things worse for people.
>> >
>> > We have a "lower-class" because of people like you.
>> RichA hasn't vandalized any subway seats.
>>
>> Maybe you haven't either, mostly because you hardly ever ride a subway.
>>
>> Lower class? That's you, for accusing people of thought crimes. You'll never be guilty because you would actually have to think.
>>
>> Solid plastic seats are easier to keep sanitary. Cloth and vinyl can look clean but be filthy and are not easy to sanitize. That's probably why Tokyo made the switch.
>
>Not to pile on, but public washrooms set-up to make it easier for the homeless are almost instantly turned into sex-encounter stations and hiding places for drug deals, in addition
>to being vandalized. The French had a plan for special "self-cleaning" outdoor toilets that would be made of stainless steel, would lock and be blasted by high pressure hot water to
>clean them. But they had to shelve the idea owing to drug addicts and drunks falling asleep or dying in the toilets.

You are very familiar with such places, I see.

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 8:51:23 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Mon, 1 May 2023 04:55:51 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 2:20:06?PM UTC, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 02:25:52 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I saw a picture of a Tokyo subway car. Molded plastic unpadded seats.
> >> > No more comfortable padding. Know why? Because the vermin vandalized the padding, cutting it. Just one more way the lower-class make things worse for people.
> >>
> >> We have a "lower-class" because of people like you.
> >
> >RichA hasn't vandalized any subway seats.
> >
> No. Like you, he's just a bitter old asshole full of hatred. Which is
> the source of all our social woes.

You are the one full of hatred. All RichA is talking about is problems with uncomfortable seats on public buses and trains.

On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:14:29 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Mon, 1 May 2023 16:01:07 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Monday, 1 May 2023 at 07:55:53 UTC-4, W wrote:
> >> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 2:20:06?PM UTC, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> > On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 02:25:52 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >I saw a picture of a Tokyo subway car. Molded plastic unpadded seats.
> >> > > No more comfortable padding. Know why? Because the vermin vandalized the padding, cutting it. Just one more way the lower-class make things worse for people.
> >> >
> >> > We have a "lower-class" because of people like you.
> >> RichA hasn't vandalized any subway seats.
> >>
> >> Maybe you haven't either, mostly because you hardly ever ride a subway..
> >>
> >> Lower class? That's you, for accusing people of thought crimes. You'll never be guilty because you would actually have to think.
> >>
> >> Solid plastic seats are easier to keep sanitary. Cloth and vinyl can look clean but be filthy and are not easy to sanitize. That's probably why Tokyo made the switch.
> >
> >Not to pile on, but public washrooms set-up to make it easier for the homeless are almost instantly turned into sex-encounter stations and hiding places for drug deals, in addition
> >to being vandalized. The French had a plan for special "self-cleaning" outdoor toilets that would be made of stainless steel, would lock and be blasted by high pressure hot water to
> >clean them. But they had to shelve the idea owing to drug addicts and drunks falling asleep or dying in the toilets.
> You are very familiar with such places, I see.

To whom are you replying?

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:20:06 AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:

> We have a "lower-class" because of people like you.

This exaggerates a bit. The poor would be with us even without the efforts
of people who oppose the government using their tax dollars to help them.

The quantity of land suitable for growing food is limited. Instinct drives
people to make babies. Hence, population increases until starvation holds
it in check.

At least, that's how it works with aphids. Humans in _some_ parts of the
world have supposedly undergone a "demographic transition", but I doubt
that it has really solved the problem.

John Savard

The English contributors to this newsgroup, all two of them, know when to keep quiet as they represent that destructive section of their society who have seen their last real influence with Brexit and that exceptionalism that runs through their academic and political realms, often in sync.

Before Darwin's Origin of Species in 1859, there was Wallace's Origin of Species in 1858-

"One day something brought to my recollection Malthus's "Principles of Population," which I had read about twelve years before. I thought of his clear exposition of "the positive checks to increase"--disease, accidents, war, and famine--which keep down the population of savage races to so much lower an average than that of civilized peoples. It then occurred to me that these causes or their equivalents are continually acting in the case of animals also..... because in every generation the inferior would inevitably be killed off and the superior would remain--that is, the fittest would survive..... The more I thought over it the more I became convinced that I had at length found the long-sought-for law of nature that solved the problem of the Origin of Species." Alfred Russel Wallace, 1858

That came less than a decade after the tragedy in Ireland so the "the positive checks to increase" of 2 million dead in the most fertile part of those Western islands and beside the most powerful empire on Earth at the time, was also the incentive for something much worse, in this case, natural selection.

It is no surprise that many left sci.astro.amateur in a hurry as they are unprepared for the struggle to recover science in all its aspects and the connection of the Human Race to its terrestrial, solar system, galactic and Universal surroundings.

On Tue, 2 May 2023 23:26:24 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
wrote:

>On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:20:06?AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>
>> We have a "lower-class" because of people like you.
>
>This exaggerates a bit. The poor would be with us even without the efforts
>of people who oppose the government using their tax dollars to help them.

The problem is less poverty and more economic inequality. Which is
driven by those who think (using the term loosely) like Rich and W.

Poor people aren't vandals. Disaffected people are.

On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 8:51:03 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Tue, 2 May 2023 23:26:24 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca>
> wrote:
> >On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:20:06?AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >
> >> We have a "lower-class" because of people like you.
> >
> >This exaggerates a bit. The poor would be with us even without the efforts
> >of people who oppose the government using their tax dollars to help them..
> The problem is less poverty and more economic inequality. Which is
> driven by those who think (using the term loosely) like Rich and W.
>
> Poor people aren't vandals. Disaffected people are.

I have not created any "economic inequality" and I doubt that Rich has either.

If bus and subway riders are "disaffected" for some reason then they need to address their concerns with their local governments, not me.

What is YOUR "solution" for "economic inequality?" Electing liberals to office doesn't seem to help at all. Most of them seem quite wealthy compared to the average person (who doesn't destroy the seats on buses and subways, by the way.)

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 7:01:09 PM UTC-4, RichA wrote:
> On Monday, 1 May 2023 at 07:55:53 UTC-4, W wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 2:20:06 PM UTC, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> > > On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 02:25:52 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >I saw a picture of a Tokyo subway car. Molded plastic unpadded seats..
> > > > No more comfortable padding. Know why? Because the vermin vandalized the padding, cutting it. Just one more way the > lower-class make things worse for people.

********

The Kyary Train seems to have comfortable seats:
https://www.moshimoshi-nippon.jp/590436

On Wed, 3 May 2023 07:25:54 -0700 (PDT), W <wsnell01@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 8:51:03?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Tue, 2 May 2023 23:26:24 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca>
>> wrote:
>> >On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:20:06?AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >
>> >> We have a "lower-class" because of people like you.
>> >
>> >This exaggerates a bit. The poor would be with us even without the efforts
>> >of people who oppose the government using their tax dollars to help them.
>> The problem is less poverty and more economic inequality. Which is
>> driven by those who think (using the term loosely) like Rich and W.
>>
>> Poor people aren't vandals. Disaffected people are.
>
>I have not created any "economic inequality" and I doubt that Rich has either.
>
>If bus and subway riders are "disaffected" for some reason then they need to address their concerns with their local governments, not me.
>
>What is YOUR "solution" for "economic inequality?" Electing liberals to office doesn't seem to help at all. Most of them seem quite wealthy compared to the average person (who doesn't destroy the seats on buses and subways, by the way.)
>

Wrong. You have by your votes, you have by your hate, you have by your
worldview.

We haven't elected any liberals to office since Lincoln. There aren't
any liberal in public office in the U.S.

People who are unwilling to accept the challenges (not difficulties) of something new are liable to project that wasted faculty onto disagreements with others over trivia such as what your bum sits on.

Watching people in self-inflicted pain is unpleasant.

On Tuesday, 2 May 2023 at 00:01:09 UTC+1, RichA wrote:
> On Monday, 1 May 2023 at 07:55:53 UTC-4, W wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 2:20:06 PM UTC, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> > > On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 02:25:52 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >I saw a picture of a Tokyo subway car. Molded plastic unpadded seats..
> > > > No more comfortable padding. Know why? Because the vermin vandalized the padding, cutting it. Just one more way the lower-class make things worse for people.
> > >
> > > We have a "lower-class" because of people like you.
> > RichA hasn't vandalized any subway seats.
> >
> > Maybe you haven't either, mostly because you hardly ever ride a subway.
> >
> > Lower class? That's you, for accusing people of thought crimes. You'll never be guilty because you would actually have to think.
> >
> > Solid plastic seats are easier to keep sanitary. Cloth and vinyl can look clean but be filthy and are not easy to sanitize. That's probably why Tokyo made the switch.
> Not to pile on, but public washrooms set-up to make it easier for the homeless are almost instantly turned into sex-encounter stations and hiding places for drug deals, in addition
> to being vandalized. The French had a plan for special "self-cleaning" outdoor toilets that would be made of stainless steel, would lock and be blasted by high pressure hot water to
> clean them. But they had to shelve the idea owing to drug addicts and drunks falling asleep or dying in the toilets.

Superloos are still there. More in France than other countries. They are much better to use than other public toilets.
And the buses and trains I travel on have padded seats.

On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 10:54:02 PM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:

> We haven't elected any liberals to office since Lincoln. There aren't
> any liberal in public office in the U.S.

Eisenhower and Kennedy weren't too bad. And what about Franklin Delano
Roosevelt?

John Savard

On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 9:44:45 AM UTC-6, Mike Collins wrote:

> And the buses and trains I travel on have padded seats.

Public transit in Edmonton, Alberta hasn't had to follow the lead
of Japan either.

John Savard

On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 11:48:19 AM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 10:54:02 PM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>
> > We haven't elected any liberals to office since Lincoln. There aren't
> > any liberal in public office in the U.S.

> Eisenhower and Kennedy weren't too bad. And what about Franklin Delano
> Roosevelt?

And, for that matter, what's Bernie Sanders? Or Alexandria Occasio-Cortez?
They hold elected public office in the U.S..

Chopped liver? Conservatives, who are only called "liberal" by skewed American
standards?

John Savard

On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 12:54:02 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Wed, 3 May 2023 07:25:54 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 8:51:03?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> On Tue, 2 May 2023 23:26:24 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca>
> >> wrote:
> >> >On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:20:06?AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> We have a "lower-class" because of people like you.
> >> >
> >> >This exaggerates a bit. The poor would be with us even without the efforts
> >> >of people who oppose the government using their tax dollars to help them.
> >> The problem is less poverty and more economic inequality. Which is
> >> driven by those who think (using the term loosely) like Rich and W.
> >>
> >> Poor people aren't vandals. Disaffected people are.
> >
> >I have not created any "economic inequality" and I doubt that Rich has either.
> >
> >If bus and subway riders are "disaffected" for some reason then they need to address their concerns with their local governments, not me.
> >
> >What is YOUR "solution" for "economic inequality?" Electing liberals to office doesn't seem to help at all. Most of them seem quite wealthy compared to the average person (who doesn't destroy the seats on buses and subways, by the way.)
> >
> Wrong. You have by your votes, you have by your hate, you have by your
> worldview.
>
> We haven't elected any liberals to office since Lincoln. There aren't
> any liberal in public office in the U.S.

You are wrong on all counts.

I vote for candidates who provide the best economy, I have no hate, my world view is fine.

Lincoln was hardly a "liberal."

The buses and subways are heavily subsidized by (liberal-levied) taxes and some of the users vandalize or ruin them. Maybe we should stop building public transit for city dwellers and buy them their own limousines? Will that help the "economic inequality" to which you allude?

It's not as if you can provide any concrete solutions to anything. You just like to blame others.

On Thu, 4 May 2023 10:52:23 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
wrote:

>On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 11:48:19?AM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 10:54:02?PM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>>
>> > We haven't elected any liberals to office since Lincoln. There aren't
>> > any liberal in public office in the U.S.
>
>> Eisenhower and Kennedy weren't too bad. And what about Franklin Delano
>> Roosevelt?
>
>And, for that matter, what's Bernie Sanders? Or Alexandria Occasio-Cortez?
>They hold elected public office in the U.S..

Yeah, FDR was reasonably called liberal. Not Eisenhower. Nor would I
call Sanders or AOC particularly liberal. In most of the world their
views are pretty middle of the road. It's just that the Overton window
has shifted so far to the right that even Republican views from 50
years ago are now treated as left wing.

On Thu, 4 May 2023 15:24:06 -0700 (PDT), W <wsnell01@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 12:54:02?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 May 2023 07:25:54 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 8:51:03?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 2 May 2023 23:26:24 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:20:06?AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> We have a "lower-class" because of people like you.
>> >> >
>> >> >This exaggerates a bit. The poor would be with us even without the efforts
>> >> >of people who oppose the government using their tax dollars to help them.
>> >> The problem is less poverty and more economic inequality. Which is
>> >> driven by those who think (using the term loosely) like Rich and W.
>> >>
>> >> Poor people aren't vandals. Disaffected people are.
>> >
>> >I have not created any "economic inequality" and I doubt that Rich has either.
>> >
>> >If bus and subway riders are "disaffected" for some reason then they need to address their concerns with their local governments, not me.
>> >
>> >What is YOUR "solution" for "economic inequality?" Electing liberals to office doesn't seem to help at all. Most of them seem quite wealthy compared to the average person (who doesn't destroy the seats on buses and subways, by the way.)
>> >
>> Wrong. You have by your votes, you have by your hate, you have by your
>> worldview.
>>
>> We haven't elected any liberals to office since Lincoln. There aren't
>> any liberal in public office in the U.S.
>
>You are wrong on all counts.
>
>I vote for candidates who provide the best economy, I have no hate, my world view is fine.
>
>Lincoln was hardly a "liberal."
>
>The buses and subways are heavily subsidized by (liberal-levied) taxes and some of the users vandalize or ruin them. Maybe we should stop building public transit for city dwellers and buy them their own limousines? Will that help the "economic inequality" to which you allude?
>
>It's not as if you can provide any concrete solutions to anything. You just like to blame others.
>
Reagan began us on the path of economic destruction, and its been a
steady decline, faster during Republican administrations, slower
during Democratic ones, but always downhill... with no signs of that
trend changing.

There are good solutions. Highly progressive income taxes, with a 90%
bracket. Asset taxes on high asset bases and estates. Taxes on
retained earnings of corporations. Requirements that corporations pay
employees based on the value they create. High taxes on investment
income and unrealized gains above certain amounts. Increased
government spending on many programs.

On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 9:48:32 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Thu, 4 May 2023 10:52:23 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 11:48:19?AM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 10:54:02?PM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >>
> >> > We haven't elected any liberals to office since Lincoln. There aren't
> >> > any liberal in public office in the U.S.
> >
> >> Eisenhower and Kennedy weren't too bad. And what about Franklin Delano
> >> Roosevelt?
> >
> >And, for that matter, what's Bernie Sanders? Or Alexandria Occasio-Cortez?
> >They hold elected public office in the U.S..
> Yeah, FDR was reasonably called liberal. Not Eisenhower. Nor would I
> call Sanders or AOC particularly liberal. In most of the world their
> views are pretty middle of the road. It's just that the Overton window
> has shifted so far to the right that even Republican views from 50
> years ago are now treated as left wing.

No one can believe what you say, because you always contradict yourself.

First you say "No liberals since Lincoln" then you say FDR was liberal.

The "Overton window" is garbage.

On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 9:53:15 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Thu, 4 May 2023 15:24:06 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 12:54:02?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> On Wed, 3 May 2023 07:25:54 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 8:51:03?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 2 May 2023 23:26:24 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:20:06?AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> We have a "lower-class" because of people like you.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >This exaggerates a bit. The poor would be with us even without the efforts
> >> >> >of people who oppose the government using their tax dollars to help them.
> >> >> The problem is less poverty and more economic inequality. Which is
> >> >> driven by those who think (using the term loosely) like Rich and W.
> >> >>
> >> >> Poor people aren't vandals. Disaffected people are.
> >> >
> >> >I have not created any "economic inequality" and I doubt that Rich has either.
> >> >
> >> >If bus and subway riders are "disaffected" for some reason then they need to address their concerns with their local governments, not me.
> >> >
> >> >What is YOUR "solution" for "economic inequality?" Electing liberals to office doesn't seem to help at all. Most of them seem quite wealthy compared to the average person (who doesn't destroy the seats on buses and subways, by the way.)
> >> >
> >> Wrong. You have by your votes, you have by your hate, you have by your
> >> worldview.
> >>
> >> We haven't elected any liberals to office since Lincoln. There aren't
> >> any liberal in public office in the U.S.
> >
> >You are wrong on all counts.
> >
> >I vote for candidates who provide the best economy, I have no hate, my world view is fine.
> >
> >Lincoln was hardly a "liberal."
> >
> >The buses and subways are heavily subsidized by (liberal-levied) taxes and some of the users vandalize or ruin them. Maybe we should stop building public transit for city dwellers and buy them their own limousines? Will that help the "economic inequality" to which you allude?
> >
> >It's not as if you can provide any concrete solutions to anything. You just like to blame others.
> >
> Reagan began us on the path of economic destruction, and its been a
> steady decline, faster during Republican administrations, slower
> during Democratic ones, but always downhill... with no signs of that
> trend changing.
>
> There are good solutions. Highly progressive income taxes, with a 90%
> bracket. Asset taxes on high asset bases and estates. Taxes on
> retained earnings of corporations. Requirements that corporations pay
> employees based on the value they create. High taxes on investment
> income and unrealized gains above certain amounts. Increased
> government spending on many programs.

What you overlook is that the economy stinks when Dems are in control, but is much better when Republicans are in control.

You have only suggested the confiscation of wealth, but you have no good ideas about what to do with it after that.

You are full of hot air.

On Fri, 5 May 2023 07:56:34 -0700 (PDT), W <wsnell01@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 9:48:32?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Thu, 4 May 2023 10:52:23 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 11:48:19?AM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
>> >> On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 10:54:02?PM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > We haven't elected any liberals to office since Lincoln. There aren't
>> >> > any liberal in public office in the U.S.
>> >
>> >> Eisenhower and Kennedy weren't too bad. And what about Franklin Delano
>> >> Roosevelt?
>> >
>> >And, for that matter, what's Bernie Sanders? Or Alexandria Occasio-Cortez?
>> >They hold elected public office in the U.S..
>> Yeah, FDR was reasonably called liberal. Not Eisenhower. Nor would I
>> call Sanders or AOC particularly liberal. In most of the world their
>> views are pretty middle of the road. It's just that the Overton window
>> has shifted so far to the right that even Republican views from 50
>> years ago are now treated as left wing.
>
>No one can believe what you say, because you always contradict yourself.
>
>First you say "No liberals since Lincoln" then you say FDR was liberal.

I did not contradict myself. I corrected myself given a good
observation. That's what intellectually honest people do. Of course,
that's not a concept you are familiar with.

>The "Overton window" is garbage.

So are your thinking processes and education.

On Fri, 5 May 2023 07:58:33 -0700 (PDT), W <wsnell01@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 9:53:15?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Thu, 4 May 2023 15:24:06 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 12:54:02?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 3 May 2023 07:25:54 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 8:51:03?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> >> On Tue, 2 May 2023 23:26:24 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:20:06?AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> We have a "lower-class" because of people like you.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >This exaggerates a bit. The poor would be with us even without the efforts
>> >> >> >of people who oppose the government using their tax dollars to help them.
>> >> >> The problem is less poverty and more economic inequality. Which is
>> >> >> driven by those who think (using the term loosely) like Rich and W.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Poor people aren't vandals. Disaffected people are.
>> >> >
>> >> >I have not created any "economic inequality" and I doubt that Rich has either.
>> >> >
>> >> >If bus and subway riders are "disaffected" for some reason then they need to address their concerns with their local governments, not me.
>> >> >
>> >> >What is YOUR "solution" for "economic inequality?" Electing liberals to office doesn't seem to help at all. Most of them seem quite wealthy compared to the average person (who doesn't destroy the seats on buses and subways, by the way.)
>> >> >
>> >> Wrong. You have by your votes, you have by your hate, you have by your
>> >> worldview.
>> >>
>> >> We haven't elected any liberals to office since Lincoln. There aren't
>> >> any liberal in public office in the U.S.
>> >
>> >You are wrong on all counts.
>> >
>> >I vote for candidates who provide the best economy, I have no hate, my world view is fine.
>> >
>> >Lincoln was hardly a "liberal."
>> >
>> >The buses and subways are heavily subsidized by (liberal-levied) taxes and some of the users vandalize or ruin them. Maybe we should stop building public transit for city dwellers and buy them their own limousines? Will that help the "economic inequality" to which you allude?
>> >
>> >It's not as if you can provide any concrete solutions to anything. You just like to blame others.
>> >
>> Reagan began us on the path of economic destruction, and its been a
>> steady decline, faster during Republican administrations, slower
>> during Democratic ones, but always downhill... with no signs of that
>> trend changing.
>>
>> There are good solutions. Highly progressive income taxes, with a 90%
>> bracket. Asset taxes on high asset bases and estates. Taxes on
>> retained earnings of corporations. Requirements that corporations pay
>> employees based on the value they create. High taxes on investment
>> income and unrealized gains above certain amounts. Increased
>> government spending on many programs.
>
>What you overlook is that the economy stinks when Dems are in control, but is much better when Republicans are in control.

Objectively false:
https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/aer.20140913

>You have only suggested the confiscation of wealth, but you have no good ideas about what to do with it after that.

I have suggested spending it on government programs. Examples:
scientific research. Climate change mitigation. Physical
infrastructure. Single-payer healthcare. Law enforcement reform.

People no longer believe in evil so invariably are subject to it. It is not all about violence but rather people give themselves control over things they do not, including the ability to control planetary weather/temperatures by doing or not doing something.

I am a Christian and the scientific or experimental method as a disruptive subculture has no power over me even when its role and influence on the education system remains dominant and insidious as it has been for the last 250+ years. The disappearance of many from this forum is a testament to avoiding dealing with evil and what is left behind are those who lost the struggle with themselves a long time ago by projecting contentions on to others with the same failings.

When people give vent to their dislike of others in a newsgroup designed to connect us with terrestrial and celestial sciences, it is a mark of how each individual is lost to an evil they did not create.