On 2/14/2024 4:48 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
>
> This is an essential point. Riding on vacation is not the same as
> riding to work. On vacation one is free to eat breakfast and watch the
> traffic during rush hour, instead of mixing in with it. On vacation one
> can choose a destination with a scenic and pleasant route, instead of
> choosing the best available route for where one has to go.
>
> Not to mention that riding to work as a university professor, who has a
> great deal of choice in his own schedule, is not quite like riding to
> work and punching a clock.

All of that can be true and relevant, depending on the context of
discussion. It can also be false and/or irrelevant.

I've mentioned my varied riding experience mostly in response to charges
that I know nothing about riding outside my suburban village. If someone
wants to insert more details - like, perhaps, "You know nothing about
riding in Pittsburgh in 5 PM Friday rush hour traffic during a pouring
thunderstorm" - then we can discuss details.

But actually, I have ridden in just that set of conditions.

About my commuting schedule: True, I had much more than normal control
over my commuting times. Since I very frequently taught hours after 5
PM, I seldom rode in at 8 or 9 AM. But depending on my schedule for the
term and family activities ("You have to take her to her lesson!") there
were plenty of times I rode home during rush hour.

And that varied schedule meant I probably did more commuting in darkness
than most bike commuters.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2/14/2024 5:03 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>
>> On 2/13/2024 4:16 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:55:07 +0100, Wolfgang Strobl
>>> <news5@mystrobl.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fine. But that park won't get me from Bonn to Cologne, for a familiy
>>>> visit.
>>> Well, that's not the kind of thing I want to do. Actually, it's
>>> something I've never done, and likely will never do.
>>
>> It's scary! :-)
>
> You have family in Cologne?

Nope. But as we've seen, for some it's scary to venture onto any normal
roads.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
> Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> writes:
>
>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>> On 2/14/2024 11:56 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2/13/2024 10:31 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From a uk perspective the size of the road though the city centre is
>>>>>> totally out of proportion particularly considering the size (or lack of it)
>>>>>> of Youngstown.
>>>>>
>>>>> Youngstown's population fell from a peak of about 179,000 in the 1930's
>>>>> to about 59,000 today. No doubt that the roads were built for the much
>>>>> larger population in the past.
>>>>>
>>>> Even so 180k is hardly a large city dual 6 lanes of traffic really isn’t
>>>> justified by any means, that’s essentially Motorway width bar central
>>>> reservation for a street? To say it’s overkill is something else.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>
>>>
>>> I must have missed the link to a Youngstown street view.
>>> This thread goes back to the beginning of February with a
>>> lot of snips along the way.
>>
>>
>> Talking about Fifth Avenue which has apparently some bike infrastructure
>> now? And is judging by the heat maps shown by Strava is by far and away
>> most used road by cyclists.
>>
>> Though that’s not saying much!
>>
>> https://maps.app.goo.gl/Sx8jQVLkBhK2QcMA7?g_st=ic
>
> You picked a spot with turn lanes, just a few blocks up it's only one
> lane each way.

Most of the city centre its wide from the Stadiums down to the river though
looks like it’s been thinned over time once closer to the river.

Roger Merriman

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 2/14/2024 4:48 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
>>
>> This is an essential point. Riding on vacation is not the same as
>> riding to work. On vacation one is free to eat breakfast and watch the
>> traffic during rush hour, instead of mixing in with it. On vacation one
>> can choose a destination with a scenic and pleasant route, instead of
>> choosing the best available route for where one has to go.
>>
>> Not to mention that riding to work as a university professor, who has a
>> great deal of choice in his own schedule, is not quite like riding to
>> work and punching a clock.
>
> All of that can be true and relevant, depending on the context of
> discussion. It can also be false and/or irrelevant.
>
> I've mentioned my varied riding experience mostly in response to charges
> that I know nothing about riding outside my suburban village. If someone
> wants to insert more details - like, perhaps, "You know nothing about
> riding in Pittsburgh in 5 PM Friday rush hour traffic during a pouring
> thunderstorm" - then we can discuss details.
>
> But actually, I have ridden in just that set of conditions.
>
> About my commuting schedule: True, I had much more than normal control
> over my commuting times. Since I very frequently taught hours after 5
> PM, I seldom rode in at 8 or 9 AM. But depending on my schedule for the
> term and family activities ("You have to take her to her lesson!") there
> were plenty of times I rode home during rush hour.
>
> And that varied schedule meant I probably did more commuting in darkness
> than most bike commuters.
>

And how many years ago was that?

As an example my experience of riding into central london has changed
dramatically over the last decade it’s still a long old way and all that.
But it’s definitely changed.

And yes club runs and commuting are different experiences personally riding
a road on the commute bike vs the Gravel bike is different.

And Traveling somewhere on holiday is very different to living there, I’ve
ridden in Europe and Australia but it’s been pleasure than utility cycling.

Roger Merriman

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 2/14/2024 2:38 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I must have missed the link to a Youngstown street view.
>>> This thread goes back to the beginning of February with a
>>> lot of snips along the way.
>>
>>
>> Talking about Fifth Avenue which has apparently some bike infrastructure
>> now? And is judging by the heat maps shown by Strava is by far and away
>> most used road by cyclists.
>>
>> Though that’s not saying much!
>>
>> https://maps.app.goo.gl/Sx8jQVLkBhK2QcMA7?g_st=ic
>
> I don't have detailed access to Strava heat maps. I'm not a Stravite.
> But if Strava riders use Fifth a lot, they are unusual. University bike
> commuters are much more likely to use parallel streets that are much
> quieter, especially heading uphill i.e. north.
>
Strava sells its data analytics to cities organisations for that reason.
Yes Elm and Wick show some traffic but Fifth is the main road used by some
margin.

Yes
> But Fifth Avenue received a serious "road diet" a few years ago. It's
> now one lane north, one lane south, with pockets for left turns and bus
> stops. It has sharrows. One design concept, a bi-directional sidewalk
> bike lane on the east (i.e. university) side would probably have killed
> fast downhill riders riding contraflow into intersections where coeds
> exiting parking decks looked only left as they chatted on their cell
> phones.
>
> The facility I've talked about more, the oh-so-modern curb and post
> "protected" bike lane that nobody uses, is on Mahoning Ave. Here's a
> street view:
> https://maps.app.goo.gl/XWiwbB2R7EQ46vqK9
>
It’s more a bit of concrete and few cones doesn’t seem to have useful
entry/exits and doesn’t do junctions is far from modern or so on design
irrespective of when it was built.

Such as Chiswick High road the segregated varies from cones and concrete to
kerbs, most junctions like this have own light sequences. It works well for
most part.

Note london isn’t world class by any margin in this, see the arguments for
Hammersmith Bridge which is close by.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/UVfpC5Gg1kCDPrMcA?g_st=ic

> You can't see the debris that's always in it. But you get a hint that
> the roadway has always been plenty wide for safe sharing. Traffic is
> rarely heavy. The street's always been fine for cycling.

Debris will come from cars, only really stop that with more distance from
them, the old cycleway I use is cleaned regularly but mostly vegetation
pruning and maybe 2 times a year? And all but the flyover which gets a bits
of glass/plastic from cars and sand from the Lorries.

>
> And facility riders heading in the direction shown find themselves
> stopped at the facility's end, facing oncoming traffic with no clues
> about how to proceed except, I suppose, to ride on facing traffic.
>
Roger Merriman

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:45:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/14/2024 4:48 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
>>
>> This is an essential point. Riding on vacation is not the same as
>> riding to work. On vacation one is free to eat breakfast and watch the
>> traffic during rush hour, instead of mixing in with it. On vacation one
>> can choose a destination with a scenic and pleasant route, instead of
>> choosing the best available route for where one has to go.
>>
>> Not to mention that riding to work as a university professor, who has a
>> great deal of choice in his own schedule, is not quite like riding to
>> work and punching a clock.
>
>All of that can be true and relevant, depending on the context of
>discussion. It can also be false and/or irrelevant.
>
>I've mentioned my varied riding experience mostly in response to charges
>that I know nothing about riding outside my suburban village. If someone
>wants to insert more details - like, perhaps, "You know nothing about
>riding in Pittsburgh in 5 PM Friday rush hour traffic during a pouring
>thunderstorm" - then we can discuss details.
>
>But actually, I have ridden in just that set of conditions.

Another undocumented brag from Krygowski.

>About my commuting schedule: True, I had much more than normal control
>over my commuting times. Since I very frequently taught hours after 5
>PM, I seldom rode in at 8 or 9 AM. But depending on my schedule for the
>term and family activities ("You have to take her to her lesson!") there
>were plenty of times I rode home during rush hour.
>
>And that varied schedule meant I probably did more commuting in darkness
>than most bike commuters.

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:47:25 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/14/2024 5:03 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>>
>>> On 2/13/2024 4:16 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:55:07 +0100, Wolfgang Strobl
>>>> <news5@mystrobl.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Fine. But that park won't get me from Bonn to Cologne, for a familiy
>>>>> visit.
>>>> Well, that's not the kind of thing I want to do. Actually, it's
>>>> something I've never done, and likely will never do.
>>>
>>> It's scary! :-)
>>
>> You have family in Cologne?
>
>Nope. But as we've seen, for some it's scary to venture onto any normal
>roads.

...and for some, as we've seen, it's scary to ride with clipless
pedals.

On 2/15/2024 8:22 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:45:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2/14/2024 4:48 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
>>>
>>> This is an essential point. Riding on vacation is not the same as
>>> riding to work. On vacation one is free to eat breakfast and watch the
>>> traffic during rush hour, instead of mixing in with it. On vacation one
>>> can choose a destination with a scenic and pleasant route, instead of
>>> choosing the best available route for where one has to go.
>>>
>>> Not to mention that riding to work as a university professor, who has a
>>> great deal of choice in his own schedule, is not quite like riding to
>>> work and punching a clock.
>>
>> All of that can be true and relevant, depending on the context of
>> discussion. It can also be false and/or irrelevant.
>>
>> I've mentioned my varied riding experience mostly in response to charges
>> that I know nothing about riding outside my suburban village. If someone
>> wants to insert more details - like, perhaps, "You know nothing about
>> riding in Pittsburgh in 5 PM Friday rush hour traffic during a pouring
>> thunderstorm" - then we can discuss details.
>>
>> But actually, I have ridden in just that set of conditions.
>
> Another undocumented brag from Krygowski.

Another triggered response from the floriduh dumbass

>
>> About my commuting schedule: True, I had much more than normal control
>> over my commuting times. Since I very frequently taught hours after 5
>> PM, I seldom rode in at 8 or 9 AM. But depending on my schedule for the
>> term and family activities ("You have to take her to her lesson!") there
>> were plenty of times I rode home during rush hour.
>>
>> And that varied schedule meant I probably did more commuting in darkness
>> than most bike commuters.

--
Add xx to reply

On 2/15/2024 8:23 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:47:25 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2/14/2024 5:03 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 2/13/2024 4:16 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:55:07 +0100, Wolfgang Strobl
>>>>> <news5@mystrobl.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Fine. But that park won't get me from Bonn to Cologne, for a familiy
>>>>>> visit.
>>>>> Well, that's not the kind of thing I want to do. Actually, it's
>>>>> something I've never done, and likely will never do.
>>>>
>>>> It's scary! :-)
>>>
>>> You have family in Cologne?
>>
>> Nope. But as we've seen, for some it's scary to venture onto any normal
>> roads.
>
>
> ..and for some, as we've seen, it's scary to ride with clipless
> pedals.

There's a big difference between being afraid to do something and
preferring not to do something. It's not surprising you don't get that.
--
Add xx to reply

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:45:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2/14/2024 4:48 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
>>>
>>> This is an essential point. Riding on vacation is not the same as
>>> riding to work. On vacation one is free to eat breakfast and watch the
>>> traffic during rush hour, instead of mixing in with it. On vacation one
>>> can choose a destination with a scenic and pleasant route, instead of
>>> choosing the best available route for where one has to go.
>>>
>>> Not to mention that riding to work as a university professor, who has a
>>> great deal of choice in his own schedule, is not quite like riding to
>>> work and punching a clock.
>>
>> All of that can be true and relevant, depending on the context of
>> discussion. It can also be false and/or irrelevant.
>>
>> I've mentioned my varied riding experience mostly in response to charges
>> that I know nothing about riding outside my suburban village. If someone
>> wants to insert more details - like, perhaps, "You know nothing about
>> riding in Pittsburgh in 5 PM Friday rush hour traffic during a pouring
>> thunderstorm" - then we can discuss details.
>>
>> But actually, I have ridden in just that set of conditions.
>
> Another undocumented brag from Krygowski.

How exactly would he document such as report? Riding in a thunderstorm
isn’t really much of brag, possibly wet depending how well your waterproofs
cope or the how accurate the weather report is.
>
>> About my commuting schedule: True, I had much more than normal control
>> over my commuting times. Since I very frequently taught hours after 5
>> PM, I seldom rode in at 8 or 9 AM. But depending on my schedule for the
>> term and family activities ("You have to take her to her lesson!") there
>> were plenty of times I rode home during rush hour.
>>
>> And that varied schedule meant I probably did more commuting in darkness
>> than most bike commuters.
>
Office workers maybe but shift workers tend to need lights year around.

Roger Merriman

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:47:25 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2/14/2024 5:03 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 2/13/2024 4:16 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:55:07 +0100, Wolfgang Strobl
>>>>> <news5@mystrobl.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Fine. But that park won't get me from Bonn to Cologne, for a familiy
>>>>>> visit.
>>>>> Well, that's not the kind of thing I want to do. Actually, it's
>>>>> something I've never done, and likely will never do.
>>>>
>>>> It's scary! :-)
>>>
>>> You have family in Cologne?
>>
>> Nope. But as we've seen, for some it's scary to venture onto any normal
>> roads.
>
>
> ..and for some, as we've seen, it's scary to ride with clipless
> pedals.
>
I have no idea of Frank uses clipless or not yes he has an old bike but
clipless isn’t that new technology by any means.

Roger Merriman

On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 8:14:55 AM UTC-8, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 22:53:25 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 2/13/2024 4:16 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> >> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:55:07 +0100, Wolfgang Strobl
> >> <ne...@mystrobl.de> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Fine. But that park won't get me from Bonn to Cologne, for a familiy
> >>> visit.
> >>
> >> Well, that's not the kind of thing I want to do. Actually, it's
> >> something I've never done, and likely will never do.
> >
> >It's scary! :-)
> I'm well aware of why Krygowski is so intent on trying to berate me.
> The explanation is explained below by a professional:
>
> *******************************************************************
> "For narcissists, people can broadly be divided into two groups:
> targets of their own envy and sources of real or imagined inflating
> envy from others. [...]
>
> But in addition to self-enhancing identification comes a painful sense
> of frustration. Why does he or she have all this? Why not me? This
> mobilizes the hostile, bitter component of the envious emotion, in
> which the object envied needs to be diminished in order to lessen the
> distance between self and other. For the narcissist, this gap may
> elicit what has been called “narcissistic injury,” a poignant reminder
> of shameful inadequacies that he or she tries desperately to deny. "
> https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/shame-guilt-and-their-defenses/202012/the-roots-narcissistic-envy
>
> *******************************************************************
>
>
> There's also a professional's explanation for why he attempts to tag
> me with labels such as "timid," which he knows, full well, does not
> apply to me.
>
> *******************************************************************
>
> "Ironically, narcissists’ labels reveal more about the narcissist than
> their target. One hallmark of narcissism is the frequent use of the
> defense mechanism of projection. Projection is when we unconsciously
> attribute to others feelings and judgments that we cannot tolerate
> recognizing within ourselves. Narcissists’ most-used labels tend to
> show their deepest fears about themselves."
> https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/narcissism-demystified/202109/8-ways-narcissists-seek-manipulate-and-dehumanize-you
>
> *******************************************************************
>
> I also assume that Krygowski is generally afraid to face me directly,
> knowing that I can handle his attacks and turn them back on him. Thus,
> he hides under his peek-a-boo blanky expressing his resentment to
> other people.

When I mentioned my investments he immediately said that the college was taking well care of him. Since I ride with retired college professors I know that to be a lie. One of them has to take jobs returning commercial trucks from Arizona and Texas to make ends meet.

I just got the following from UC Berkeley: "Tom,

Your background and work experience stood out to us as someone who could be a great match for the Berkeley Haas Full-time MBA program.

Here are a few things that differentiate the Berkeley Haas Full-time program:

Top-Ranked: #7 global MBA program by Financial Times (2023).
Collaborative Culture: The Defining Leadership principles create a supportive environment where students learn from each other's diverse set of perspectives.
Innovative Curriculum: Leadership driven core and a wide variety of real-world experiential learning opportunities."

Do you suppose that Krygowski gets emails like that? Or Liebermann?

On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:04:44 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:
> On 2/15/2024 8:22 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
> > On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:45:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> > <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2/14/2024 4:48 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
> >>>
> >>> This is an essential point. Riding on vacation is not the same as
> >>> riding to work. On vacation one is free to eat breakfast and watch the
> >>> traffic during rush hour, instead of mixing in with it. On vacation one
> >>> can choose a destination with a scenic and pleasant route, instead of
> >>> choosing the best available route for where one has to go.
> >>>
> >>> Not to mention that riding to work as a university professor, who has a
> >>> great deal of choice in his own schedule, is not quite like riding to
> >>> work and punching a clock.
> >>
> >> All of that can be true and relevant, depending on the context of
> >> discussion. It can also be false and/or irrelevant.
> >>
> >> I've mentioned my varied riding experience mostly in response to charges
> >> that I know nothing about riding outside my suburban village. If someone
> >> wants to insert more details - like, perhaps, "You know nothing about
> >> riding in Pittsburgh in 5 PM Friday rush hour traffic during a pouring
> >> thunderstorm" - then we can discuss details.
> >>
> >> But actually, I have ridden in just that set of conditions.
> >
> > Another undocumented brag from Krygowski.
> Another triggered response from the floriduh dumbass
> >
> >> About my commuting schedule: True, I had much more than normal control
> >> over my commuting times. Since I very frequently taught hours after 5
> >> PM, I seldom rode in at 8 or 9 AM. But depending on my schedule for the
> >> term and family activities ("You have to take her to her lesson!") there
> >> were plenty of times I rode home during rush hour.
> >>
> >> And that varied schedule meant I probably did more commuting in darkness
> >> than most bike commuters.
> --
> Add xx to reply

Another comment from the little boy.

On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:07:02 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:
> On 2/15/2024 8:23 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
> > On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:47:25 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> > <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2/14/2024 5:03 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
> >>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> writes:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2/13/2024 4:16 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:55:07 +0100, Wolfgang Strobl
> >>>>> <ne...@mystrobl.de> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Fine. But that park won't get me from Bonn to Cologne, for a familiy
> >>>>>> visit.
> >>>>> Well, that's not the kind of thing I want to do. Actually, it's
> >>>>> something I've never done, and likely will never do.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's scary! :-)
> >>>
> >>> You have family in Cologne?
> >>
> >> Nope. But as we've seen, for some it's scary to venture onto any normal
> >> roads.
> >
> >
> > ..and for some, as we've seen, it's scary to ride with clipless
> > pedals.
> There's a big difference between being afraid to do something and
> preferring not to do something. It's not surprising you don't get that.
> --
> Add xx to reply
Who do you think you're kidding. There isn't anything that you're not afraid of.

Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/15/2024 8:23 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:47:25 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/14/2024 5:03 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/13/2024 4:16 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:55:07 +0100, Wolfgang Strobl
>>>>>> <news5@mystrobl.de> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fine. But that park won't get me from Bonn to Cologne, for a familiy
>>>>>>> visit.
>>>>>> Well, that's not the kind of thing I want to do. Actually, it's
>>>>>> something I've never done, and likely will never do.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's scary! :-)
>>>>
>>>> You have family in Cologne?
>>>
>>> Nope. But as we've seen, for some it's scary to venture onto any normal
>>> roads.
>>
>>
>> ..and for some, as we've seen, it's scary to ride with clipless
>> pedals.
>
> There's a big difference between being afraid to do something and
> preferring not to do something. It's not surprising you don't get that.

Well indeed I used clipless for few years at least on the road bikes before
saying well this is fine but not what I like, never had clipless moment ie
fall sideways and all that.

But never loved them and I suspected the performance gain was overstated,
as indeed more science is done seems to back up that theory, ie if you have
good cycling shoe be that clipless or flat pedals it works well.

I personally I like MTB flats and shoes on both my MTB/Gravel/commute
bikes.

I can see why roadies in particular use them as flats tend to be heavier
and a risk of pedal strike.

Roger Merriman

On 2/15/2024 4:50 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> The facility I've talked about more, the oh-so-modern curb and post
>> "protected" bike lane that nobody uses, is on Mahoning Ave. Here's a
>> street view:
>> https://maps.app.goo.gl/XWiwbB2R7EQ46vqK9
>>
> It’s more a bit of concrete and few cones doesn’t seem to have useful
> entry/exits and doesn’t do junctions is far from modern or so on design
> irrespective of when it was built.

You're helping to demonstrate the ever-increasing demands.

First it was "we need bike lane stripes." Then "We need buffered bike
lane stripes." Then "We need green paint." Then "We need posts for
protection." Then "We need concrete for protection."

Now "a bit of concrete and posts" is not enough?

The street was perfectly fine before that mess was installed. It's worse
now because of it.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2/15/2024 4:26 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> I've mentioned my varied riding experience mostly in response to charges
>> that I know nothing about riding outside my suburban village. If someone
>> wants to insert more details - like, perhaps, "You know nothing about
>> riding in Pittsburgh in 5 PM Friday rush hour traffic during a pouring
>> thunderstorm" - then we can discuss details.
>>
>> But actually, I have ridden in just that set of conditions.
>>
>> About my commuting schedule: True, I had much more than normal control
>> over my commuting times. Since I very frequently taught hours after 5
>> PM, I seldom rode in at 8 or 9 AM. But depending on my schedule for the
>> term and family activities ("You have to take her to her lesson!") there
>> were plenty of times I rode home during rush hour.
>>
>> And that varied schedule meant I probably did more commuting in darkness
>> than most bike commuters.
>>
>
> And how many years ago was that?
>
> As an example my experience of riding into central london has changed
> dramatically over the last decade it’s still a long old way and all that.
> But it’s definitely changed.

I'm sensing a very nimble set of goalposts! They move instantaneously,
trying to invalidate any post that's disliked!

Yes, I retired over ten years ago. But this is still the same universe!
My last night ride was less than a week ago, when I appended a shopping
trip onto a social visit.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2/15/2024 10:07 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2/15/2024 8:23 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:47:25 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/14/2024 5:03 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/13/2024 4:16 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:55:07 +0100, Wolfgang Strobl
>>>>>>> <news5@mystrobl.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fine. But that park won't get me from Bonn to Cologne, for a familiy
>>>>>>>> visit.
>>>>>>> Well, that's not the kind of thing I want to do. Actually, it's
>>>>>>> something I've never done, and likely will never do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's scary! :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> You have family in Cologne?
>>>>
>>>> Nope. But as we've seen, for some it's scary to venture onto any normal
>>>> roads.
>>>
>>>
>>> ..and for some, as we've seen, it's scary to ride with clipless
>>> pedals.
>>
>> There's a big difference between being afraid to do something and
>> preferring not to do something. It's not surprising you don't get that.
>
> Well indeed I used clipless for few years at least on the road bikes before
> saying well this is fine but not what I like, never had clipless moment ie
> fall sideways and all that.
>
> But never loved them and I suspected the performance gain was overstated,
> as indeed more science is done seems to back up that theory, ie if you have
> good cycling shoe be that clipless or flat pedals it works well.
>
> I personally I like MTB flats and shoes on both my MTB/Gravel/commute
> bikes.
>
> I can see why roadies in particular use them as flats tend to be heavier
> and a risk of pedal strike.
>
> Roger Merriman
>

I use toeclips mostly as I mostly ride in regular leather
dress shoes. But on an actual out and about ride on my
lightweight, I much prefer Look clipless where walking isn't
necessary.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 2/15/2024 9:06 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
> On 2/15/2024 8:23 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>
>> ..and for some, as we've seen, it's scary to ride with clipless
>> pedals.
>
> There's a big difference between being afraid to do something and
> preferring not to do something. It's not surprising you don't get that.

The Florida guy is desperately compensating for his feelings of
inferiority. He yaps at me at every opportunity, in every way possible.
Our neighbors had a Yorkshire Terrier that was very similar.

About clipless: I've never wanted them. I'm certainly not afraid of
them; what's to fear anyway? I used old-style classic cycling shoes with
cleats, toe clips and straps during time trials, back in the day. A
person who can handle those should have no problem with clipless.

As I've said many times, one of my priorities is to be able to use my
bikes with (almost) any shoes I own. If I ride to a store, to a library,
to visit a friend etc., I don't want to have to change shoes. For me,
toe clips and straps (usually fairly loose) work perfectly. YMMV.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2/15/2024 10:38 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:04:44 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:
>> On 2/15/2024 8:22 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:45:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/14/2024 4:48 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This is an essential point. Riding on vacation is not the same as
>>>>> riding to work. On vacation one is free to eat breakfast and watch the
>>>>> traffic during rush hour, instead of mixing in with it. On vacation one
>>>>> can choose a destination with a scenic and pleasant route, instead of
>>>>> choosing the best available route for where one has to go.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not to mention that riding to work as a university professor, who has a
>>>>> great deal of choice in his own schedule, is not quite like riding to
>>>>> work and punching a clock.
>>>>
>>>> All of that can be true and relevant, depending on the context of
>>>> discussion. It can also be false and/or irrelevant.
>>>>
>>>> I've mentioned my varied riding experience mostly in response to charges
>>>> that I know nothing about riding outside my suburban village. If someone
>>>> wants to insert more details - like, perhaps, "You know nothing about
>>>> riding in Pittsburgh in 5 PM Friday rush hour traffic during a pouring
>>>> thunderstorm" - then we can discuss details.
>>>>
>>>> But actually, I have ridden in just that set of conditions.
>>>
>>> Another undocumented brag from Krygowski.
>> Another triggered response from the floriduh dumbass
>>>
>>>> About my commuting schedule: True, I had much more than normal control
>>>> over my commuting times. Since I very frequently taught hours after 5
>>>> PM, I seldom rode in at 8 or 9 AM. But depending on my schedule for the
>>>> term and family activities ("You have to take her to her lesson!") there
>>>> were plenty of times I rode home during rush hour.
>>>>
>>>> And that varied schedule meant I probably did more commuting in darkness
>>>> than most bike commuters.
>> --
>> Add xx to reply
>
> Another comment from the little boy.

Have penchant for following little boys around, do ya?
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On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 15:32:06 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:45:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/14/2024 4:48 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This is an essential point. Riding on vacation is not the same as
>>>> riding to work. On vacation one is free to eat breakfast and watch the
>>>> traffic during rush hour, instead of mixing in with it. On vacation one
>>>> can choose a destination with a scenic and pleasant route, instead of
>>>> choosing the best available route for where one has to go.
>>>>
>>>> Not to mention that riding to work as a university professor, who has a
>>>> great deal of choice in his own schedule, is not quite like riding to
>>>> work and punching a clock.
>>>
>>> All of that can be true and relevant, depending on the context of
>>> discussion. It can also be false and/or irrelevant.
>>>
>>> I've mentioned my varied riding experience mostly in response to charges
>>> that I know nothing about riding outside my suburban village. If someone
>>> wants to insert more details - like, perhaps, "You know nothing about
>>> riding in Pittsburgh in 5 PM Friday rush hour traffic during a pouring
>>> thunderstorm" - then we can discuss details.
>>>
>>> But actually, I have ridden in just that set of conditions.
>>
>> Another undocumented brag from Krygowski.
>
>How exactly would he document such as report?

If you can't document a brag, you probably shouldn't post it.

>Riding in a thunderstorm
>isn’t really much of brag, possibly wet depending how well your waterproofs
>cope or the how accurate the weather report is.

He said he was "riding in Pittsburgh in 5 PM Friday rush hour traffic
during a pouring thunderstorm."

Why would anyone post such a detailed anecdote if not to brag.

On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 15:32:07 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:47:25 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/14/2024 5:03 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/13/2024 4:16 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:55:07 +0100, Wolfgang Strobl
>>>>>> <news5@mystrobl.de> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fine. But that park won't get me from Bonn to Cologne, for a familiy
>>>>>>> visit.
>>>>>> Well, that's not the kind of thing I want to do. Actually, it's
>>>>>> something I've never done, and likely will never do.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's scary! :-)
>>>>
>>>> You have family in Cologne?
>>>
>>> Nope. But as we've seen, for some it's scary to venture onto any normal
>>> roads.
>>
>>
>> ..and for some, as we've seen, it's scary to ride with clipless
>> pedals.
>>
>I have no idea of Frank uses clipless or not yes he has an old bike but
>clipless isn’t that new technology by any means.

He's said several times that he does not use clipless, and he seems to
profess the notion that the only reason that people don't do something
is because they're afraid to do it.

>Roger Merriman

On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 11:28:02 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/15/2024 4:50 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> The facility I've talked about more, the oh-so-modern curb and post
>>> "protected" bike lane that nobody uses, is on Mahoning Ave. Here's a
>>> street view:
>>> https://maps.app.goo.gl/XWiwbB2R7EQ46vqK9
>>>
>> It’s more a bit of concrete and few cones doesn’t seem to have useful
>> entry/exits and doesn’t do junctions is far from modern or so on design
>> irrespective of when it was built.
>
>You're helping to demonstrate the ever-increasing demands.
>
>First it was "we need bike lane stripes." Then "We need buffered bike
>lane stripes." Then "We need green paint." Then "We need posts for
>protection." Then "We need concrete for protection."
>
>Now "a bit of concrete and posts" is not enough?
>
>The street was perfectly fine before that mess was installed. It's worse
>now because of it.

.... or so you say...

On 2/15/2024 10:32 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 8:14:55 AM UTC-8, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 22:53:25 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/13/2024 4:16 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:55:07 +0100, Wolfgang Strobl
>>>> <ne...@mystrobl.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Fine. But that park won't get me from Bonn to Cologne, for a familiy
>>>>> visit.
>>>>
>>>> Well, that's not the kind of thing I want to do. Actually, it's
>>>> something I've never done, and likely will never do.
>>>
>>> It's scary! :-)
>> I'm well aware of why Krygowski is so intent on trying to berate me.
>> The explanation is explained below by a professional:
>>
>> *******************************************************************
>> "For narcissists, people can broadly be divided into two groups:
>> targets of their own envy and sources of real or imagined inflating
>> envy from others. [...]
>>
>> But in addition to self-enhancing identification comes a painful sense
>> of frustration. Why does he or she have all this? Why not me? This
>> mobilizes the hostile, bitter component of the envious emotion, in
>> which the object envied needs to be diminished in order to lessen the
>> distance between self and other. For the narcissist, this gap may
>> elicit what has been called “narcissistic injury,” a poignant reminder
>> of shameful inadequacies that he or she tries desperately to deny. "
>> https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/shame-guilt-and-their-defenses/202012/the-roots-narcissistic-envy
>>
>> *******************************************************************
>>
>>
>> There's also a professional's explanation for why he attempts to tag
>> me with labels such as "timid," which he knows, full well, does not
>> apply to me.
>>
>> *******************************************************************
>>
>> "Ironically, narcissists’ labels reveal more about the narcissist than
>> their target. One hallmark of narcissism is the frequent use of the
>> defense mechanism of projection. Projection is when we unconsciously
>> attribute to others feelings and judgments that we cannot tolerate
>> recognizing within ourselves. Narcissists’ most-used labels tend to
>> show their deepest fears about themselves."
>> https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/narcissism-demystified/202109/8-ways-narcissists-seek-manipulate-and-dehumanize-you
>>
>> *******************************************************************
>>
>> I also assume that Krygowski is generally afraid to face me directly,
>> knowing that I can handle his attacks and turn them back on him. Thus,
>> he hides under his peek-a-boo blanky expressing his resentment to
>> other people.
>
> When I mentioned my investments he immediately said that the college was taking well care of him. Since I ride with retired college professors I know that to be a lie. One of them has to take jobs returning commercial trucks from Arizona and Texas to make ends meet.

If they're friends with you, they probably aren't much brighter than you
so it makes sense they horribly mismanaged their life. An acquaintance
of mine is a retired professor of electrical and Computer Engineering at
Boston university. He's living comfortable in Andover Massachusetts.
Your presupposition that every retired professor is broke is just
projection on your part.

>
> I just got the following from UC Berkeley: "Tom,
>
> Your background and work experience stood out to us as someone who could be a great match for the Berkeley Haas Full-time MBA program.
>
> Here are a few things that differentiate the Berkeley Haas Full-time program:
>
> Top-Ranked: #7 global MBA program by Financial Times (2023).
> Collaborative Culture: The Defining Leadership principles create a supportive environment where students learn from each other's diverse set of perspectives.
> Innovative Curriculum: Leadership driven core and a wide variety of real-world experiential learning opportunities."
>
> Do you suppose that Krygowski gets emails like that? Or Liebermann?

lol...tommy gets sales spam and thinks it's a real accreditation of his
life experience. No, tommy, they aren't giving you any adulation. They
trying to get you to spend money in their MBA program. I get at least
one of those a week from the various colleges and universities in the
Boston area, including head hunters looking for senior ASIC designers,
program managers, 6sigma black-belt QC directors, engineering
directors...you name it. It has very little to do with what your actual
qualifications are, dumbass. These are AI generated messages that scan
on-line resumes looking for buzzwords.

so, no. Berkeley doesn't have a person looking specifically into your
backgrounds that thinks your a good candidate. Besides, a two minute
conversation with you would force any recruiter to run away screaming.

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On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 8:14:55 AM UTC-8, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>
>> I also assume that Krygowski is generally afraid to face me directly,
>> knowing that I can handle his attacks and turn them back on him. Thus,
>> he hides under his peek-a-boo blanky expressing his resentment to
>> other people.

yeah....yer just such a big bad scary dude, aintcha, dumbass....

Probably more like a big fat hairy fuck.