On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Jul 2022 09:13:23 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
<a67rchhsbngehtmf405mtdr8gl0s7t4uta@4ax.com>:

>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 15:29:10 GMT, Jan Panteltje
><pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Jul 2022 06:36:57 -0700) it happened
>>jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
>><rltqchhma7e2stcf5e7o9h1t3pv04g8k6k@4ax.com>:
>>
>>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 05:36:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>>><pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:30:13 -0700) it happened John Larkin
>>>><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
>>>><rgcpchl8hbtbbcgs9c7vithf2qi8vggheu@4ax.com>:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:49:37 -0700 (PDT), a a <manta103g@gmail.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>Lidar is an old fake
>>>>>
>>>>>You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say
>>>>>much about electronics.
>>>>
>>>>He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad idea
>>>>most can be done better and safer with cameras.
>>>>
>>>>Much in the US is fake these days, say Hunter ByeThen.. was just reading
>>>>people cracked his cellphone, he sold US oil reserves to China it seems
>>>>ByeThen a criminal club.
>>>>We in Europe should immediately ditch the Criminal lead US and make peace with Russia
>>>>better for cold winters too,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Let them have all the soviet satellite countries back, in exchange for
>>>the fossil fuels that you don't want to make?
>>
>>Well, remember Russia did most of the work defeating nazi Germany in WW2 in Europe.
>>What is bad? Look at the living conditions _now_ in the US.
>
>US per capita GDP is about 6x Russia's.
>
>
>
>
>>Hell they block all Russian channels and now even Cuba is no longer on sat TV ..
>>Was just appreciating how peaceful that place was..
>>ByeThen looks a lot like a fascist pig to me, he and his cronies.
>>He plays the masses and you jump and do not even know you are just a puppet.
>>Sanctions here sanctions there, using agents everywhere..
>>So much fear the US has CREATED, mass murders by US and its 'allies' no end
>>was just reading today about the murders by UK forces in Afghanistan.
>>Human nature, no reason for me to believe US is better than Russia.
>>One ant heap against the other.
>>May the best one win (evolution) but radiation after WW3 lasts a long time
>>and US is outnumbered.
>>
>>
>>>That's generous. Include East Germany too. And Poland, the classic
>>>european play-toy.
>>>
>>>I bet Putin lusts after both. We cound donate Alaska.
>>
>>You are in no position to donate anything, your country is bankrupt, fort Knox is empty.
>
>
>Is that why millions of people emigrate, legally and illegally, to the
>US every year?
>
>>All you have left is what you stole from others.
>
>Not stole, gave. We rebuilt Europe and Japan.

Stole from the Native Americans
nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki
making wars in Europe

Vietnam agent Orange
Iraq depleted uranium
Afhanistan mass murder by drones
Iran sanctions stealing money and fuel

Try google for US regime change since WW2

On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Jul 2022 09:13:23 -0700) it happened
> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
> <a67rchhsbngehtmf4...@4ax.com>:
> >On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 15:29:10 GMT, Jan Panteltje
> ><pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >>You are in no position to donate anything, your country is bankrupt, fort Knox is empty.

> >Is that why millions of people emigrate, legally and illegally, to the
> >US every year?
> >
> >>All you have left is what you stole from others.

> >Not stole, gave. We rebuilt Europe and Japan.

> Stole from the Native Americans

.... negotiated a bunch of privileges for them as well; fishing rights are still being negotiated,
because dams are both water resources and encroachments on obligatory rights-to-fish

> nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki

not without provocation

> making wars in Europe

no, rather joining them when the Atlantic became a battlefield (according to
some hisorians)
> Vietnam agent Orange

Poisoning our own soldiers with a pesticide? Relevance?

> Iraq depleted uranium

Antitank weaponry used appropriately... no issue there, just minor waste cleanup

> Afhanistan mass murder by drones

No, selectivity rather than area weaponry.

> Iran sanctions stealing money and fuel

Huh? Iran first looted our embasssy, kept our diplomats as hostages, a clear act of war.

> Try google for US regime change since WW2

Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when we were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no US involvement
to speak of.

On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 06:12:17 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Jul 2022 09:13:23 -0700) it happened
>jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
><a67rchhsbngehtmf405mtdr8gl0s7t4uta@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 15:29:10 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>><pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Jul 2022 06:36:57 -0700) it happened
>>>jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
>>><rltqchhma7e2stcf5e7o9h1t3pv04g8k6k@4ax.com>:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 05:36:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>>>><pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:30:13 -0700) it happened John Larkin
>>>>><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
>>>>><rgcpchl8hbtbbcgs9c7vithf2qi8vggheu@4ax.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:49:37 -0700 (PDT), a a <manta103g@gmail.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>Lidar is an old fake
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say
>>>>>>much about electronics.
>>>>>
>>>>>He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad idea
>>>>>most can be done better and safer with cameras.
>>>>>
>>>>>Much in the US is fake these days, say Hunter ByeThen.. was just reading
>>>>>people cracked his cellphone, he sold US oil reserves to China it seems
>>>>>ByeThen a criminal club.
>>>>>We in Europe should immediately ditch the Criminal lead US and make peace with Russia
>>>>>better for cold winters too,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Let them have all the soviet satellite countries back, in exchange for
>>>>the fossil fuels that you don't want to make?
>>>
>>>Well, remember Russia did most of the work defeating nazi Germany in WW2 in Europe.
>>>What is bad? Look at the living conditions _now_ in the US.
>>
>>US per capita GDP is about 6x Russia's.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hell they block all Russian channels and now even Cuba is no longer on sat TV ..
>>>Was just appreciating how peaceful that place was..
>>>ByeThen looks a lot like a fascist pig to me, he and his cronies.
>>>He plays the masses and you jump and do not even know you are just a puppet.
>>>Sanctions here sanctions there, using agents everywhere..
>>>So much fear the US has CREATED, mass murders by US and its 'allies' no end
>>>was just reading today about the murders by UK forces in Afghanistan.
>>>Human nature, no reason for me to believe US is better than Russia.
>>>One ant heap against the other.
>>>May the best one win (evolution) but radiation after WW3 lasts a long time
>>>and US is outnumbered.
>>>
>>>
>>>>That's generous. Include East Germany too. And Poland, the classic
>>>>european play-toy.
>>>>
>>>>I bet Putin lusts after both. We cound donate Alaska.
>>>
>>>You are in no position to donate anything, your country is bankrupt, fort Knox is empty.
>>
>>
>>Is that why millions of people emigrate, legally and illegally, to the
>>US every year?
>>
>>>All you have left is what you stole from others.
>>
>>Not stole, gave. We rebuilt Europe and Japan.
>
>Stole from the Native Americans

Natives are welcome to return to being hunter-gatherers living in
tents with no electricity, no jeeps, no horses, no guns, no medicine,
no written language, and no internet. Then they could possibly find
someone from another tribe to torture, in the traditional manner.

Few seem to make that choice.

>nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Saved a million lives probably.

>making wars in Europe

Europe has been at peace, Pax Americana, for 75 years now. I think
that's a 2000-year record.

Well, it was until Russia started this war. Patton wanted to keep
charging east into Russia.

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> Jan Panteltje wrote:

<snip>

>>Stole from the Native Americans
>
> Natives are welcome to return to being hunter-gatherers living in
> tents with no electricity, no jeeps, no horses, no guns, no medicine,
> no written language, and no internet. Then they could possibly find
> someone from another tribe to torture, in the traditional manner.
>
> Few seem to make that choice.

Take a look at this picture, John. It illustrates how Warren Buffett's
greed takes precedence over the Fort Laramie Treaty.

<https://d3oj2y7irryo5z.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/STANDING-ROCK19.jpg>

The civilians are indigenous people at Standing Rock Indian Reservation.
Warren Buffett sent in outsiders, the uniformed quasi-military force, to
protect his financial interests.

Danke,

--
Don, KB7RPU, https://www.qsl.net/kb7rpu
There was a young lady named Bright Whose speed was far faster than light;
She set out one day In a relative way And returned on the previous night.

On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3rd
<whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in
<62706c9e-b801-47da-b1c1-91defd323cf9n@googlegroups.com>:

>On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Jul 2022 09:13:23 -0700) it happened
>> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
>> <a67rchhsbngehtmf4...@4ax.com>:
>> >On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 15:29:10 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>> ><pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> >>You are in no position to donate anything, your country is bankrupt, fort Knox is empty.
>
>> >Is that why millions of people emigrate, legally and illegally, to the
>> >US every year?
>> >
>> >>All you have left is what you stole from others.
>
>> >Not stole, gave. We rebuilt Europe and Japan.
>
>> Stole from the Native Americans
>
>... negotiated a bunch of privileges for them as well; fishing rights are still being negotiated,
>because dams are both water resources and encroachments on obligatory rights-to-fish
>
>> nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki
>
>not without provocation
>
>> making wars in Europe
>
>no, rather joining them when the Atlantic became a battlefield (according to
>some hisorians)
>
>> Vietnam agent Orange
>
>Poisoning our own soldiers with a pesticide? Relevance?
>
>> Iraq depleted uranium
>
>Antitank weaponry used appropriately... no issue there, just minor waste cleanup
>
>> Afhanistan mass murder by drones
>
>No, selectivity rather than area weaponry.
>
>> Iran sanctions stealing money and fuel
>
>Huh? Iran first looted our embasssy, kept our diplomats as hostages, a clear act of war.
>
>> Try google for US regime change since WW2
>
>Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
>example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when we were all infants.
>Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no US involvement
>to speak of.

And then US created HIV, killed many many people,
and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed creating covid and that backfired too and killed millions.

Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:talo8d$2a6go$2@dont-email.me:

> Native Americans
> And US then did nuke tests on their land

Whoopie doo. Nations have done bad things thoughout history.
Idiots like you do bad things throught generations. Your entire
bloodline should be erased, punk.
> Right of the strongest?

You are a goddamned retard, JanPan. It does not get more stupid
than you are. I just cannot wait till you have your heart attack and
die in writhing pain.

> But with a dropping IQ below 75 as you confirm here

More petty, holier than thou stupidity, from the group's most
stupid dope. You could be a little more stupid, just not in this
life.

> other countries being above 100 will be stronger.

You have no grasp of how a bell curve works either, obviously.

> Planet of the apes, I remember that shot of the statute of
> glibbery laying in the sand.

"glibbery"? How about Jan Panteltje is about the most stupid
motherfucker claiming to be a scientist in the entire world. It does
not get more stupid than you are, with the exception of Donald John
Trump, the criminal buffoon.

You are simply a nut case buffoon. With the stupid shit you
embrace, you will never even make "100 IQ", child.

Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:tammee$2d43r$1@dont-email.me:

> And then US created HIV, killed many many people,

You are a goddamned liar. Goddamned liars like you are who folks
should go around killing. Liars deserve death. Liars like you
deserve painful death.

> and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was)

More retarded foreigner spouting his retarded disrespect, trying to
get a rise out of folks in this group. You went from someone with a
little intelligence to a complete buffoon nearly everyone in the
group has blocked.

> financed
> creating covid

You are a goddamned utter idiot.

> and that backfired too and killed millions.

If I were rich, I would go around the globe erasing absolute
dumbfucks like you.

On 07/13/2022 02:00 AM, whit3rd wrote:
>> Iran sanctions stealing money and fuel
> Huh? Iran first looted our embasssy, kept our diplomats as hostages, a clear act of war.

I suppose the CIA sponsored overthrow of a democratically elected
government in 1953 on behalf of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company was fine?

>> Try google for US regime change since WW2
> Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
> example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when we were all infants.
> Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no US involvement
> to speak of.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/john-bolton-coup-trump-jan-6-committee_n_62cde555e4b007c97c83fa1f?8iv

I wonder if he and Nuland cooked up Euromaidan?

On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 14:53:53 -0000 (UTC), "Don" <g@crcomp.net> wrote:

>jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> Jan Panteltje wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>>>Stole from the Native Americans
>>
>> Natives are welcome to return to being hunter-gatherers living in
>> tents with no electricity, no jeeps, no horses, no guns, no medicine,
>> no written language, and no internet. Then they could possibly find
>> someone from another tribe to torture, in the traditional manner.
>>
>> Few seem to make that choice.
>
>Take a look at this picture, John. It illustrates how Warren Buffett's
>greed takes precedence over the Fort Laramie Treaty.
>
><https://d3oj2y7irryo5z.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/STANDING-ROCK19.jpg>
>
>The civilians are indigenous people at Standing Rock Indian Reservation.
>Warren Buffett sent in outsiders, the uniformed quasi-military force, to
>protect his financial interests.
>
>Danke,

Water spray is rarely lethal.

Are those Indigenous Peoples being hosed down? Dressed in jeans and
tee shirts and running shoes and baseball caps?

https://www.culturalsurvival.org/news/standing-rock-sioux-defend-their-water-lands-fight-against-dakota-access-pipeline?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxpHujpv2-AIVzTytBh0dtAhiEAAYASAAEgLoQ_D_BwE

I assume those natives abstain from using any fossil fuels that they
don't gather themselves by hand. I guess they all walked to the
protest.

Interesting Native American name, Dave Archambault.

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> Don wrote:
>>jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>> Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>>>Stole from the Native Americans
>>>
>>> Natives are welcome to return to being hunter-gatherers living in
>>> tents with no electricity, no jeeps, no horses, no guns, no medicine,
>>> no written language, and no internet. Then they could possibly find
>>> someone from another tribe to torture, in the traditional manner.
>>>
>>> Few seem to make that choice.
>>
>>Take a look at this picture, John. It illustrates how Warren Buffett's
>>greed takes precedence over the Fort Laramie Treaty.
>>
>><https://d3oj2y7irryo5z.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/STANDING-RO
CK19.jpg>
>>
>>The civilians are indigenous people at Standing Rock Indian Reservation.
>>Warren Buffett sent in outsiders, the uniformed quasi-military force, to
>>protect his financial interests.
>>
>>Danke,
>
> Water spray is rarely lethal.
>
> Are those Indigenous Peoples being hosed down? Dressed in jeans and
> tee shirts and running shoes and baseball caps?
>
> https://www.culturalsurvival.org/news/standing-rock-sioux-defend-their-water-lands-fight-against-dakota-access-pipeline?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxpHujpv2-AIVzTytBh0dtAhiEAAYASAAEgLoQ_D_BwE
>
> I assume those natives abstain from using any fossil fuels that they
> don't gather themselves by hand. I guess they all walked to the
> protest.
>
> Interesting Native American name, Dave Archambault.

Two wrongs don't make a right. You need to offer me something more than
non sequitors if you want to convince me to change my mind about how the
Fort Laramie Treaty was trumped by Warren Buffett's greed.

Danke,

--
Don, KB7RPU, https://www.qsl.net/kb7rpu
There was a young lady named Bright Whose speed was far faster than light;
She set out one day In a relative way And returned on the previous night.

On 7/13/2022 17:47, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3rd
> <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in
> <62706c9e-b801-47da-b1c1-91defd323cf9n@googlegroups.com>:
>
>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Jul 2022 09:13:23 -0700) it happened
>>> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
>>> <a67rchhsbngehtmf4...@4ax.com>:
>>>> On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 15:29:10 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>>>> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> You are in no position to donate anything, your country is bankrupt, fort Knox is empty.
>>
>>>> Is that why millions of people emigrate, legally and illegally, to the
>>>> US every year?
>>>>
>>>>> All you have left is what you stole from others.
>>
>>>> Not stole, gave. We rebuilt Europe and Japan.
>>
>>> Stole from the Native Americans
>>
>> ... negotiated a bunch of privileges for them as well; fishing rights are still being negotiated,
>> because dams are both water resources and encroachments on obligatory rights-to-fish
>>
>>> nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki
>>
>> not without provocation
>>
>>> making wars in Europe
>>
>> no, rather joining them when the Atlantic became a battlefield (according to
>> some hisorians)
>>
>>> Vietnam agent Orange
>>
>> Poisoning our own soldiers with a pesticide? Relevance?
>>
>>> Iraq depleted uranium
>>
>> Antitank weaponry used appropriately... no issue there, just minor waste cleanup
>>
>>> Afhanistan mass murder by drones
>>
>> No, selectivity rather than area weaponry.
>>
>>> Iran sanctions stealing money and fuel
>>
>> Huh? Iran first looted our embasssy, kept our diplomats as hostages, a clear act of war.
>>
>>> Try google for US regime change since WW2
>>
>> Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
>> example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when we were all infants.
>> Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no US involvement
>> to speak of.
>
> And then US created HIV, killed many many people,
> and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed creating covid and that backfired too and killed millions.
>

So the doctor could not help after all.

On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3rd
> <whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
> <62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
> >On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:

> >> Try google for US regime change since WW2
> >
> >Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
> >example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when we were all infants.
> >Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no US involvement
> >to speak of.

> And then US created HIV, killed many many people,

That fails any kind of reality check.

> and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed creating covid and that backfired too and killed millions.

.... which also fails a number of reality checks. Dr. Fauci, for instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak. A hundred more conspiracy rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.

RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop. <https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop>

On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 05:36:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:30:13 -0700) it happened John Larkin
><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
><rgcpchl8hbtbbcgs9c7vithf2qi8vggheu@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:49:37 -0700 (PDT), a a <manta103g@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>>Lidar is an old fake
>>
>>You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say
>>much about electronics.
>
>He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad idea
>most can be done better and safer with cameras.

The laser emission angle is 29 degrees, no worst than an LED. If it's
pulsed, I'd expect the average optical power to be microwatts.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

On Wednesday, 13 July 2022 at 23:54:04 UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 05:36:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje
> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:30:13 -0700) it happened John Larkin
> ><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
> ><rgcpchl8hbtbbcgs9...@4ax.com>:
> >
> >>On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:49:37 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com>
> >>wrote:
> >>>Lidar is an old fake
> >>
> >>You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say
> >>much about electronics.
> >
> >He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad idea
> >most can be done better and safer with cameras.
> The laser emission angle is 29 degrees, no worst than an LED. If it's
> pulsed, I'd expect the average optical power to be microwatts.
> --
>
> If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
> but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
> Francis Bacon
you are not correct
it doesn't matter pulsed or not,
laser beam should never been directed at eyes of people

Use of Lidar should be banned in crowded environments world-wide

On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 15:50:28 -0700 (PDT), a a <manta103g@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wednesday, 13 July 2022 at 23:54:04 UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 05:36:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:30:13 -0700) it happened John Larkin
>> ><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
>> ><rgcpchl8hbtbbcgs9...@4ax.com>:
>> >
>> >>On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:49:37 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com>
>> >>wrote:
>> >>>Lidar is an old fake
>> >>
>> >>You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say
>> >>much about electronics.
>> >
>> >He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad idea
>> >most can be done better and safer with cameras.
>> The laser emission angle is 29 degrees, no worst than an LED. If it's
>> pulsed, I'd expect the average optical power to be microwatts.
>> --
>>
>> If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
>> but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
>> Francis Bacon
>you are not correct
>it doesn't matter pulsed or not,
>laser beam should never been directed at eyes of people

Except that this is hardly a beam; it's a wide fan. Just because it's
a laser doesn't make it dangerous. Power density makes light
dangerous.

I don't think ST would sell it if it's dangerous.

Around here, we have swarms of Waymo cars that have spinning lidar
things all over them. I bet they are 1000x as powerful as that tiny ST
brick.

https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/21/71/20/21468178/3/1200x0.jpg

Once in a while we even see a giant thermonuclear light source in the
sky. I hear it can be dangerous to look at.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 16:41:47 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

..<https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/stmicroelectronics/VL53L4CXV0DH-1/16123777>

>On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 15:50:28 -0700 (PDT), a a <manta103g@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, 13 July 2022 at 23:54:04 UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
>>> On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 05:36:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>>> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:30:13 -0700) it happened John Larkin
>>> ><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
>>> ><rgcpchl8hbtbbcgs9...@4ax.com>:
>>> >
>>> >>On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:49:37 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com>
>>> >>wrote:
>>> >>>Lidar is an old fake
>>> >>
>>> >>You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say
>>> >>much about electronics.
>>> >
>>> >He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad idea
>>> >most can be done better and safer with cameras.
>>> The laser emission angle is 29 degrees, no worst than an LED. If it's
>>> pulsed, I'd expect the average optical power to be microwatts.
>>> --
>>>
>>> If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
>>> but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
>>> Francis Bacon
>>you are not correct
>>it doesn't matter pulsed or not,
>>laser beam should never been directed at eyes of people
>
>
>Except that this is hardly a beam; it's a wide fan. Just because it's
>a laser doesn't make it dangerous. Power density makes light
>dangerous.
>
>I don't think ST would sell it if it's dangerous.
>
>Around here, we have swarms of Waymo cars that have spinning lidar
>things all over them. I bet they are 1000x as powerful as that tiny ST
>brick.
>
>.<https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/21/71/20/21468178/3/1200x0.jpg>
>
>Once in a while we even see a giant thermonuclear light source in the
>sky. I hear it can be dangerous to look at.

I bet that lidar unit meets the same eye safety requirements as for an
ordinary laser pointer or fiber optic IR communications laser.
Otherwise, ST would have to jump through impossible hoops.

Looked at the VL53L4CX datasheet. See Chapter 8 (Laser safety
considerations): IEC 60825-1:2014 (third edition). Meets Class I
safety, which means no restrictions, even without eye protection.

Joe Gwinn

On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 20:03:57 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 16:41:47 -0700, John Larkin
><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
>
>
>.<https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/stmicroelectronics/VL53L4CXV0DH-1/16123777>
>
>>On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 15:50:28 -0700 (PDT), a a <manta103g@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wednesday, 13 July 2022 at 23:54:04 UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 05:36:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>>>> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:30:13 -0700) it happened John Larkin
>>>> ><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
>>>> ><rgcpchl8hbtbbcgs9...@4ax.com>:
>>>> >
>>>> >>On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:49:37 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com>
>>>> >>wrote:
>>>> >>>Lidar is an old fake
>>>> >>
>>>> >>You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say
>>>> >>much about electronics.
>>>> >
>>>> >He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad idea
>>>> >most can be done better and safer with cameras.
>>>> The laser emission angle is 29 degrees, no worst than an LED. If it's
>>>> pulsed, I'd expect the average optical power to be microwatts.
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
>>>> but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
>>>> Francis Bacon
>>>you are not correct
>>>it doesn't matter pulsed or not,
>>>laser beam should never been directed at eyes of people
>>
>>
>>Except that this is hardly a beam; it's a wide fan. Just because it's
>>a laser doesn't make it dangerous. Power density makes light
>>dangerous.
>>
>>I don't think ST would sell it if it's dangerous.
>>
>>Around here, we have swarms of Waymo cars that have spinning lidar
>>things all over them. I bet they are 1000x as powerful as that tiny ST
>>brick.
>>
>>.<https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/21/71/20/21468178/3/1200x0.jpg>
>>
>>Once in a while we even see a giant thermonuclear light source in the
>>sky. I hear it can be dangerous to look at.
>
>I bet that lidar unit meets the same eye safety requirements as for an
>ordinary laser pointer or fiber optic IR communications laser.
>Otherwise, ST would have to jump through impossible hoops.
>
>Looked at the VL53L4CX datasheet. See Chapter 8 (Laser safety
>considerations): IEC 60825-1:2014 (third edition). Meets Class I
>safety, which means no restrictions, even without eye protection.
>
>Joe Gwinn
>

I wonder if it's pulsed. It has picosecond distance resolution so any
laser pulses would have to be very short, hence low power.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 16:32:04 -0000 (UTC), "Don" <g@crcomp.net> wrote:

>jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> Don wrote:
>>>jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>>> Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>>>Stole from the Native Americans
>>>>
>>>> Natives are welcome to return to being hunter-gatherers living in
>>>> tents with no electricity, no jeeps, no horses, no guns, no medicine,
>>>> no written language, and no internet. Then they could possibly find
>>>> someone from another tribe to torture, in the traditional manner.
>>>>
>>>> Few seem to make that choice.
>>>
>>>Take a look at this picture, John. It illustrates how Warren Buffett's
>>>greed takes precedence over the Fort Laramie Treaty.
>>>
>>><https://d3oj2y7irryo5z.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/STANDING-RO
>CK19.jpg>
>>>
>>>The civilians are indigenous people at Standing Rock Indian Reservation.
>>>Warren Buffett sent in outsiders, the uniformed quasi-military force, to
>>>protect his financial interests.
>>>
>>>Danke,
>>
>> Water spray is rarely lethal.
>>
>> Are those Indigenous Peoples being hosed down? Dressed in jeans and
>> tee shirts and running shoes and baseball caps?
>>
>> https://www.culturalsurvival.org/news/standing-rock-sioux-defend-their-water-lands-fight-against-dakota-access-pipeline?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxpHujpv2-AIVzTytBh0dtAhiEAAYASAAEgLoQ_D_BwE
>>
>> I assume those natives abstain from using any fossil fuels that they
>> don't gather themselves by hand. I guess they all walked to the
>> protest.
>>
>> Interesting Native American name, Dave Archambault.
>
>Two wrongs don't make a right. You need to offer me something more than
>non sequitors if you want to convince me to change my mind about how the
>Fort Laramie Treaty was trumped by Warren Buffett's greed.

Actually, I don't need to do that.

On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:00:27 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

>
>https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/stmicroelectronics/VL53L4CXV0DH-1/16123777
>
>I think that gets really cheap in volume. I'm impressed.
>
>These guys used one of our delay generators when they did their
>development.

CooL part !

Mouser has them in stock. Same price as Digikey

boB

a a <manta103g@gmail.com> wrote in
news:69444b2d-186b-4687-b830-d799fb04c2c0n@googlegroups.com:

> On Wednesday, 13 July 2022 at 23:54:04 UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 05:36:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:30:13 -0700) it happened
>> >John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
>> ><rgcpchl8hbtbbcgs9...@4ax.com>:
>> >
>> >>On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:49:37 -0700 (PDT), a a
>> >><mant...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>Lidar is an old fake
>> >>
>> >>You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to
>> >>not say much about electronics.
>> >
>> >He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad
>> >idea most can be done better and safer with cameras.
>> The laser emission angle is 29 degrees, no worst than an LED. If
>> it's pulsed, I'd expect the average optical power to be
>> microwatts. --
>>
>> If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
>> but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in
>> certainties. Francis Bacon
> you are not correct
> it doesn't matter pulsed or not,
> laser beam should never been directed at eyes of people
>
> Use of Lidar should be banned in crowded environments world-wide
>

LIDAR (all caps acronym) is harmless. A laser pointer, at a mere
few milliwatts, however, can cause retinal damage. You obviously
have only a cursory grasp of the situation.

Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote in
news:vrmuch552ud1rv83u946ev0ndf9c7mnctc@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 16:41:47 -0700, John Larkin
> <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
>
>
> .<https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/stmicroelectronics/VL5
> 3L4CXV0DH-1/16123777>
>
>>On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 15:50:28 -0700 (PDT), a a
>><manta103g@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wednesday, 13 July 2022 at 23:54:04 UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 05:36:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>>>> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:30:13 -0700) it happened
>>>> >John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
>>>> ><rgcpchl8hbtbbcgs9...@4ax.com>:
>>>> >
>>>> >>On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:49:37 -0700 (PDT), a a
>>>> >><mant...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>Lidar is an old fake
>>>> >>
>>>> >>You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to
>>>> >>not say much about electronics.
>>>> >
>>>> >He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a
>>>> >bad idea most can be done better and safer with cameras.
>>>> The laser emission angle is 29 degrees, no worst than an LED.
>>>> If it's pulsed, I'd expect the average optical power to be
>>>> microwatts. --
>>>>
>>>> If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
>>>> but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in
>>>> certainties. Francis Bacon
>>>you are not correct
>>>it doesn't matter pulsed or not,
>>>laser beam should never been directed at eyes of people
>>
>>
>>Except that this is hardly a beam; it's a wide fan. Just because
>>it's a laser doesn't make it dangerous. Power density makes light
>>dangerous.
>>
>>I don't think ST would sell it if it's dangerous.
>>
>>Around here, we have swarms of Waymo cars that have spinning lidar
>>things all over them. I bet they are 1000x as powerful as that
>>tiny ST brick.
>>
>>.<https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/21/71/20/21468178/3/1200x0.jpg>
>>
>>Once in a while we even see a giant thermonuclear light source in
>>the sky. I hear it can be dangerous to look at.
>
> I bet that lidar unit meets the same eye safety requirements as
> for an ordinary laser pointer or fiber optic IR communications
> laser. Otherwise, ST would have to jump through impossible hoops.
>
> Looked at the VL53L4CX datasheet. See Chapter 8 (Laser safety
> considerations): IEC 60825-1:2014 (third edition). Meets Class I
> safety, which means no restrictions, even without eye protection.
>
> Joe Gwinn
>
Yes, class 1. It meets that, however, a simple class 1 laser
pointer is dangerous if one looks directly at the beam.

LIDAR is a pulsed fanning. A laser pointer is a focused beam.

Both class one, but the latter is dangerous.

a a <manta103g@gmail.com> wrote:

> John Larkin wrote:
>> Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> > John Larkin wrote:
>> >> a a wrote:

>> >>> Lidar is an old fake
>> >>
>> >> You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say
>> >> much about electronics.
>> >
>> > He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad idea
>> > most can be done better and safer with cameras.

>> The laser emission angle is 29 degrees, no worst than an LED. If it's
>> pulsed, I'd expect the average optical power to be microwatts.

> you are not correct
> it doesn't matter pulsed or not,
> laser beam should never been directed at eyes of people

My ophthalmologist does conventional surgery. He also regularly uses a
laser beam on certain patient's eyes.

One of multiple uses of a laser beam directed at the eyes of people is for
cutting stitches after a Trabeculectomy. Somehow the laser cuts the stitch
without damaging tissue on the way there. Doesn't even hurt.

On Thursday, 14 July 2022 at 11:01:31 UTC+2, Edward Hernandez Loves Porn wrote:
> a a <mant...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > John Larkin wrote:
> >> Jan Panteltje wrote:
> >> > John Larkin wrote:
> >> >> a a wrote:
>
> >> >>> Lidar is an old fake
> >> >>
> >> >> You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say
> >> >> much about electronics.
> >> >
> >> > He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad idea
> >> > most can be done better and safer with cameras.
>
> >> The laser emission angle is 29 degrees, no worst than an LED. If it's
> >> pulsed, I'd expect the average optical power to be microwatts.
> > you are not correct
> > it doesn't matter pulsed or not,
> > laser beam should never been directed at eyes of people
> My ophthalmologist does conventional surgery. He also regularly uses a
> laser beam on certain patient's eyes.
>
> One of multiple uses of a laser beam directed at the eyes of people is for
> cutting stitches after a Trabeculectomy. Somehow the laser cuts the stitch
> without damaging tissue on the way there. Doesn't even hurt.
use of lasers in crowdy environments is banned

Pointing a laser at an airplane pilot is considered a terrorist act

===
Laser safety standards, classes, regulations make no difference, since implemented by laser stackholders

So use of Lidar in public cars is banned, use of Lidar in road traffic is banned
and Elon fired the whole 200-man Autopilot team, experimenting with lasers in Teslas.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/teslas-top-ai-exec-andrej-karpathy-who-helped-develop-autopilot-is-leaving-11657753546?mod=mw_latestnews

=
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_safety

"Laser pointers
Main article: Laser pointer
Laser pointers

In the period from 1999 to 2016, increasing attention has been paid to the risks posed by so-called laser pointers and laser pens. Typically, the sale of laser pointers is restricted to either class 3A (<5 mW) or class 2 (<1 mW), depending on local regulations. For example, in the US, Canada and the UK, class 3A is the maximum permitted, unless a key actuated control or other safety features are provided.[31] In Australia, class 2 is the maximum allowed class. However, because enforcement is often not very strict, laser pointers of class 2 and above are often available for sale even in countries where they are not allowed.

Van Norren et al. (1998)[32] could not find a single example in the medical literature of a <1 mW class III laser causing eyesight damage. Mainster et al. (2003)[33] provide one case, an 11-year-old child who temporarily damaged her eyesight by holding an approximately 5 mW red laser pointer close to the eye and staring into the beam for 10 seconds; she experienced scotoma (a blind spot) but fully recovered after three months. Luttrull & Hallisey (1999) describe a similar case, a 34-year-old male who stared into the beam of a class IIIa 5 mW red laser for 30 to 60 seconds, causing temporary central scotoma and visual field loss. His eyesight fully recovered within two days, at the time of his eye exam. An intravenous fundus fluorescein angiogram, a technique used by ophthalmologists to visualise the retina of the eye in fine detail, identified subtle discoloration of the fovea.

Thus, it appears that a brief 0.25-second exposure to a <5 mW laser such as found in red laser pointers does not pose a threat to eye health. On the other hand, there is a potential for injury if a person deliberately stares into a beam of a class IIIa laser for few seconds or more at close range. Even if injury occurs, most people will fully recover their vision. Further experienced discomforts than these may be psychological rather than physical. With regard to green laser pointers the safe exposure time may be less, and with even higher powered lasers instant permanent damage should be expected. These conclusions must be qualified with recent theoretical observations that certain prescription medications may interact with some wavelengths of laser light, causing increased sensitivity (phototoxicity).

Beyond the question of physical injury to the eye from a laser pointer, several other undesirable effects are possible. These include short-lived flash blindness if the beam is encountered in darkened surroundings, as when driving at night. This may result in momentary loss of vehicular control. Lasers pointed at aircraft are a hazard to aviation. A police officer seeing a red dot on his chest may conclude that a sniper is targeting him and take aggressive action.[34] In addition, the startle reflex exhibited by some exposed unexpectedly to laser light of this sort has been reported to have resulted in cases of self-injury or loss of control. For these and similar reasons, the US Food and Drug Administration has advised that laser pointers are not toys and should not be used by minors except under the direct supervision of an adult.

==https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_safety

On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 17:18:56 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 20:03:57 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 16:41:47 -0700, John Larkin
>><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>.<https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/stmicroelectronics/VL53L4CXV0DH-1/16123777>
>>
>>>On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 15:50:28 -0700 (PDT), a a <manta103g@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wednesday, 13 July 2022 at 23:54:04 UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 05:36:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>>>>> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:30:13 -0700) it happened John Larkin
>>>>> ><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
>>>>> ><rgcpchl8hbtbbcgs9...@4ax.com>:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:49:37 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com>
>>>>> >>wrote:
>>>>> >>>Lidar is an old fake
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say
>>>>> >>much about electronics.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad idea
>>>>> >most can be done better and safer with cameras.
>>>>> The laser emission angle is 29 degrees, no worst than an LED. If it's
>>>>> pulsed, I'd expect the average optical power to be microwatts.
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
>>>>> but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
>>>>> Francis Bacon
>>>>you are not correct
>>>>it doesn't matter pulsed or not,
>>>>laser beam should never been directed at eyes of people
>>>
>>>
>>>Except that this is hardly a beam; it's a wide fan. Just because it's
>>>a laser doesn't make it dangerous. Power density makes light
>>>dangerous.
>>>
>>>I don't think ST would sell it if it's dangerous.
>>>
>>>Around here, we have swarms of Waymo cars that have spinning lidar
>>>things all over them. I bet they are 1000x as powerful as that tiny ST
>>>brick.
>>>
>>>.<https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/21/71/20/21468178/3/1200x0.jpg>
>>>
>>>Once in a while we even see a giant thermonuclear light source in the
>>>sky. I hear it can be dangerous to look at.
>>
>>I bet that lidar unit meets the same eye safety requirements as for an
>>ordinary laser pointer or fiber optic IR communications laser.
>>Otherwise, ST would have to jump through impossible hoops.
>>
>>Looked at the VL53L4CX datasheet. See Chapter 8 (Laser safety
>>considerations): IEC 60825-1:2014 (third edition). Meets Class I
>>safety, which means no restrictions, even without eye protection.
>>
>>Joe Gwinn
>>
>
>I wonder if it's pulsed. It has picosecond distance resolution so any
>laser pulses would have to be very short, hence low power.

The datasheet implies that it is pulsed. Probably a ultra-wideband
signal modulating the laser.

Joe Gwinn

On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 09:01:24 -0000 (UTC), Edward Hernandez Loves Porn
<always.view@post.header> wrote:

>a a <manta103g@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> John Larkin wrote:
>>> Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> > John Larkin wrote:
>>> >> a a wrote:
>
>>> >>> Lidar is an old fake
>>> >>
>>> >> You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say
>>> >> much about electronics.
>>> >
>>> > He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad idea
>>> > most can be done better and safer with cameras.
>
>>> The laser emission angle is 29 degrees, no worst than an LED. If it's
>>> pulsed, I'd expect the average optical power to be microwatts.
>
>> you are not correct
>> it doesn't matter pulsed or not,
>> laser beam should never been directed at eyes of people
>
>My ophthalmologist does conventional surgery. He also regularly uses a
>laser beam on certain patient's eyes.
>
>One of multiple uses of a laser beam directed at the eyes of people is for
>cutting stitches after a Trabeculectomy. Somehow the laser cuts the stitch
>without damaging tissue on the way there. Doesn't even hurt.

After cataract surgery, I got a "secondary cataract", namely clouding
of the rear part of the lens capsule. My doc sawed a hole in the
center part of the capsule with a YAG laser. That took a few minutes.
He left some ragged edges that scattered light, so another guy trimmed
that later.

I also had my retina lasered to make scar tissue dots, to keep it
welded to the back of my eyeball; my retinas tend to tear and detach,
so that helps.

I have to do the cataract surgery and retina repair/vitrectomy to my
other eye soon. I'll ask them to spot weld that one too.

So far, all this eye lasering works great and is quick and painless.