On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 13:09:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 3:37:38 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 12:51:06 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 08:57:18 -0700, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On 7/30/22 03:59, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> >> >> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 20:50:10 -0700, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> On 7/29/22 15:28, John Larkin wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> The official Truckee temp is measured at the end of a runway.
>> >> >>>> 100 years ago, Truckee didn't have airports or runways.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> How about grass though?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> The max temp for London is generally at Heathrow, with the
>> >> >>>> station on the edge of a black asphalt runway.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> They're put over grassy areas, about 5 feet above the ground.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Your "at the end of a runway... on the edge of a black asphalt
>> >> >>> runway" sounds like deliberately skewed misinformation.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44980493
>> >> >
>> >> >Got it. On the edge means 300-400 feet away.
>> >> Air can move that far.
>> >>
>> >> Check Google Earth. It's on a road, surrounded by roads, north of a
>> >> mess of runways and taxiways and terminal buildings. In the BBC pic,
>> >> there's nothing but buildings and pavement; not a tree in sight. Looks
>> >> bleak.
>> >>
>> >> I wonder what those big green boxes are.
>> >>
>> >> There must be a reason why Heathrow is often the hottest place in
>> >> England.
>> >
>> >Probably because it IS the hottest place in England.
>> >
>> >But that is just the raw data rating, and that reading is ***adjusted*** before it is used for the computation of mean global surface temperature. The processing uses the principle of statistical homogenization to correct for the Heathrow reading as long as it's anomalous compared to readings from nearby temperature collection. The hard facts are that when the adjustments are considered globally, just as many that adjust upward are adjusted downward so adjustment contributes a net zero bias to the global statistic, which is what you want. There is strength in numbers. According to the author of the paper linked below, the effect of data adjustment is to indicate ***less rate of warming*** than unadjusted data. Which brings up another point, the measurement is mainly used to determine ***rate*** of warming more so than a scalar temperature reading.
>> >
>> >https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-how-data-adjustments-affect-global-temperature-records/
>> >
>> >Here's the math model of the adjustment generally:
>> >https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/clim/22/7/2008jcli2263.1.xml
>> >
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>> It still makes headlines as proof of Global Warming.
>
>Do you think that's because just maybe there is warming? And that's what all the hullabaloo with the historical record is all about. The past record is the baseline for measuring the present against.

Sure, about 1 deg C per century, coming out of the LIA. A bit of
warmth and a bunch of CO2 is good news for nature and humanity.

Cheer up. All that fear and gloom will kill you; warming won't.

On Saturday, 30 July 2022 at 22:19:41 UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 13:09:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 3:37:38 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 12:51:06 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 08:57:18 -0700, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On 7/30/22 03:59, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >> >> >> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 20:50:10 -0700, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> On 7/29/22 15:28, John Larkin wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> The official Truckee temp is measured at the end of a runway.
> >> >> >>>> 100 years ago, Truckee didn't have airports or runways.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> How about grass though?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>> The max temp for London is generally at Heathrow, with the
> >> >> >>>> station on the edge of a black asphalt runway.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> They're put over grassy areas, about 5 feet above the ground.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Your "at the end of a runway... on the edge of a black asphalt
> >> >> >>> runway" sounds like deliberately skewed misinformation.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44980493
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Got it. On the edge means 300-400 feet away.
> >> >> Air can move that far.
> >> >>
> >> >> Check Google Earth. It's on a road, surrounded by roads, north of a
> >> >> mess of runways and taxiways and terminal buildings. In the BBC pic,
> >> >> there's nothing but buildings and pavement; not a tree in sight. Looks
> >> >> bleak.
> >> >>
> >> >> I wonder what those big green boxes are.
> >> >>
> >> >> There must be a reason why Heathrow is often the hottest place in
> >> >> England.
> >> >
> >> >Probably because it IS the hottest place in England.
> >> >
> >> >But that is just the raw data rating, and that reading is ***adjusted*** before it is used for the computation of mean global surface temperature. The processing uses the principle of statistical homogenization to correct for the Heathrow reading as long as it's anomalous compared to readings from nearby temperature collection. The hard facts are that when the adjustments are considered globally, just as many that adjust upward are adjusted downward so adjustment contributes a net zero bias to the global statistic, which is what you want. There is strength in numbers. According to the author of the paper linked below, the effect of data adjustment is to indicate ***less rate of warming*** than unadjusted data. Which brings up another point, the measurement is mainly used to determine ***rate*** of warming more so than a scalar temperature reading.
> >> >
> >> >https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-how-data-adjustments-affect-global-temperature-records/
> >> >
> >> >Here's the math model of the adjustment generally:
> >> >https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/clim/22/7/2008jcli2263.1.xml
> >> >
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> >> It still makes headlines as proof of Global Warming.
> >
> >Do you think that's because just maybe there is warming? And that's what all the hullabaloo with the historical record is all about. The past record is the baseline for measuring the present against.
> Sure, about 1 deg C per century, coming out of the LIA. A bit of
> warmth and a bunch of CO2 is good news for nature and humanity.
>
> Cheer up. All that fear and gloom will kill you; warming won't.
==We all love Carbon, we all love CO2

----CO2 is welcome
-CO2 is Plant Food
-Plants are Animal Food
-Animals are Human Food

---More CO2 more Human Food
-to end the global hunger

--https://sci.electronics.design.narkive.com/eMVDUFoy/we-all-love-carbon-we-all-love-co2

On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 1:19:41 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 13:09:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >Do you think that's because just maybe there is warming? And that's what all the hullabaloo with the historical record is all about. The past record is the baseline for measuring the present against.

> Sure, about 1 deg C per century, coming out of the LIA. A bit of
> warmth and a bunch of CO2 is good news for nature and humanity.

The little ice age isn't the beginning of a 1 degree per century 'trend'.
What mechanism based on the LIA could possibly CAUSE such a trend?

> Cheer up. All that fear and gloom will kill you; warming won't.

Not credible; Europe is having lots of heat injuries and even deaths
<https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/heatwave-in-europe-here-are-the-worst-hit-countries-3179837>
and that doesn't fit the story of harmless warming.

John Larkin doesn't know any realistic good news about CO2, either.

On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 4:19:41 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 13:09:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 3:37:38 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 12:51:06 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 08:57:18 -0700, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On 7/30/22 03:59, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >> >> >> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 20:50:10 -0700, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> On 7/29/22 15:28, John Larkin wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> The official Truckee temp is measured at the end of a runway.
> >> >> >>>> 100 years ago, Truckee didn't have airports or runways.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> How about grass though?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>> The max temp for London is generally at Heathrow, with the
> >> >> >>>> station on the edge of a black asphalt runway.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> They're put over grassy areas, about 5 feet above the ground.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Your "at the end of a runway... on the edge of a black asphalt
> >> >> >>> runway" sounds like deliberately skewed misinformation.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44980493
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Got it. On the edge means 300-400 feet away.
> >> >> Air can move that far.
> >> >>
> >> >> Check Google Earth. It's on a road, surrounded by roads, north of a
> >> >> mess of runways and taxiways and terminal buildings. In the BBC pic,
> >> >> there's nothing but buildings and pavement; not a tree in sight. Looks
> >> >> bleak.
> >> >>
> >> >> I wonder what those big green boxes are.
> >> >>
> >> >> There must be a reason why Heathrow is often the hottest place in
> >> >> England.
> >> >
> >> >Probably because it IS the hottest place in England.
> >> >
> >> >But that is just the raw data rating, and that reading is ***adjusted*** before it is used for the computation of mean global surface temperature. The processing uses the principle of statistical homogenization to correct for the Heathrow reading as long as it's anomalous compared to readings from nearby temperature collection. The hard facts are that when the adjustments are considered globally, just as many that adjust upward are adjusted downward so adjustment contributes a net zero bias to the global statistic, which is what you want. There is strength in numbers. According to the author of the paper linked below, the effect of data adjustment is to indicate ***less rate of warming*** than unadjusted data. Which brings up another point, the measurement is mainly used to determine ***rate*** of warming more so than a scalar temperature reading.
> >> >
> >> >https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-how-data-adjustments-affect-global-temperature-records/
> >> >
> >> >Here's the math model of the adjustment generally:
> >> >https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/clim/22/7/2008jcli2263.1.xml
> >> >
> >> >The raw data is adjusted.
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> >> >dot- dot dot
> >> It still makes headlines as proof of Global Warming.
> >
> >Do you think that's because just maybe there is warming? And that's what all the hullabaloo with the historical record is all about. The past record is the baseline for measuring the present against.
> Sure, about 1 deg C per century, coming out of the LIA. A bit of
> warmth and a bunch of CO2 is good news for nature and humanity.
>
> Cheer up. All that fear and gloom will kill you; warming won't.

What you're hearing about CO2 and crop yields is wrong:
"Though rising CO2 can stimulate plant growth, it also reduces the nutritional value of most food crops. Rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide reduce the concentrations of protein and essential minerals in most plant species, including wheat, soybeans, and rice. This direct effect of rising CO2 on the nutritional value of crops represents a potential threat to human health. Human health is also threatened by increased pesticide use due to increased pest pressures and reductions in the efficacy of pesticides."

Nothing good comes out of excessive CO2.

https://19january2017snapshot.epa.gov/climate-impacts/climate-impacts-agriculture-and-food-supply_.html

On 7/30/22 09:50, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> Air can move that far.

Ask Gnatguy about it. He can ride thermals up over the hot spots, and
descend over the reservoirs and the grassy weather station. Air goes up
and down, It doesn't just drift 400 feet over to the thermometer.

> Check Google Earth. It's on a road, surrounded by roads, north of a
> mess of runways and taxiways and terminal buildings. In the BBC pic,
> there's nothing but buildings and pavement; not a tree in sight.
> Looks bleak.

Are you kidding?

I checked Google Maps satellite view, dated 2022. The place looks
parched now compared to the lush BBC Google pic.

On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 10:29:41 PM UTC-7, corvid wrote:
> On 7/30/22 09:50, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

> > Air can move that far.

> Ask Gnatguy about it. He can ride thermals up over the hot spots, and
> descend over the reservoirs and the grassy weather station. Air goes up
> and down, It doesn't just drift 400 feet over to the thermometer.

Excellent point; if the hypothesis is that heat buildup on asphalt wafts laterally to the
weather station, recall that hot air (PV=nRT is good enough; no need for VDW corrections)
is less dense that cooler air, so it would rise (create an updraft). That means surface-parallel winds
don't carry it to the not-so-tall weather station yonder, but rather that surface wind in the vicinity
will tend to be FROM the weather station toward the asphalt.

On the wee hours of winter mornings, though, if the asphalt radiates heat effectively at night, it'd
generate COLD air, which will spread laterally to all sides, eventually mixing in to other surface air,
and you would expect some increase in cold temperatures records. That'd be a downdraft site, it doesn't
remove thermal-extreme mass from ground level at any great rate.

On Monday, 1 August 2022 at 05:18:51 UTC+2, whit3rd wrote:
> On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 10:29:41 PM UTC-7, corvid wrote:
> > On 7/30/22 09:50, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>
> > > Air can move that far.
>
> > Ask Gnatguy about it. He can ride thermals up over the hot spots, and
> > descend over the reservoirs and the grassy weather station. Air goes up
> > and down, It doesn't just drift 400 feet over to the thermometer.
> Excellent point; if the hypothesis is that heat buildup on asphalt wafts laterally to the
> weather station, recall that hot air (PV=nRT is good enough; no need for VDW corrections)
> is less dense that cooler air, so it would rise (create an updraft). That means surface-parallel winds
> don't carry it to the not-so-tall weather station yonder, but rather that surface wind in the vicinity
> will tend to be FROM the weather station toward the asphalt.
>
> On the wee hours of winter mornings, though, if the asphalt radiates heat effectively at night, it'd
> generate COLD air, which will spread laterally to all sides, eventually mixing in to other surface air,
> and you would expect some increase in cold temperatures records. That'd be a downdraft site, it doesn't
> remove thermal-extreme mass from ground level at any great rate.
what you claim may have worked for
the high tar content black asphalt in the past,
replaced today by grey asphalt, featuring top layer made of rolled fine gravel

On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 17:19:09 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 4:19:41 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 13:09:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 3:37:38 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 12:51:06 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 08:57:18 -0700, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On 7/30/22 03:59, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 20:50:10 -0700, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> On 7/29/22 15:28, John Larkin wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> The official Truckee temp is measured at the end of a runway.
>> >> >> >>>> 100 years ago, Truckee didn't have airports or runways.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> How about grass though?
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>> The max temp for London is generally at Heathrow, with the
>> >> >> >>>> station on the edge of a black asphalt runway.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> They're put over grassy areas, about 5 feet above the ground.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Your "at the end of a runway... on the edge of a black asphalt
>> >> >> >>> runway" sounds like deliberately skewed misinformation.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44980493
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Got it. On the edge means 300-400 feet away.
>> >> >> Air can move that far.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Check Google Earth. It's on a road, surrounded by roads, north of a
>> >> >> mess of runways and taxiways and terminal buildings. In the BBC pic,
>> >> >> there's nothing but buildings and pavement; not a tree in sight. Looks
>> >> >> bleak.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I wonder what those big green boxes are.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> There must be a reason why Heathrow is often the hottest place in
>> >> >> England.
>> >> >
>> >> >Probably because it IS the hottest place in England.
>> >> >
>> >> >But that is just the raw data rating, and that reading is ***adjusted*** before it is used for the computation of mean global surface temperature. The processing uses the principle of statistical homogenization to correct for the Heathrow reading as long as it's anomalous compared to readings from nearby temperature collection. The hard facts are that when the adjustments are considered globally, just as many that adjust upward are adjusted downward so adjustment contributes a net zero bias to the global statistic, which is what you want. There is strength in numbers. According to the author of the paper linked below, the effect of data adjustment is to indicate ***less rate of warming*** than unadjusted data. Which brings up another point, the measurement is mainly used to determine ***rate*** of warming more so than a scalar temperature reading.
>> >> >
>> >> >https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-how-data-adjustments-affect-global-temperature-records/
>> >> >
>> >> >Here's the math model of the adjustment generally:
>> >> >https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/clim/22/7/2008jcli2263.1.xml
>> >> >
>> >> >The raw data is adjusted.
>> >> >The raw data is adjusted.
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>> >> >dot- dot dot
>> >> It still makes headlines as proof of Global Warming.
>> >
>> >Do you think that's because just maybe there is warming? And that's what all the hullabaloo with the historical record is all about. The past record is the baseline for measuring the present against.
>> Sure, about 1 deg C per century, coming out of the LIA. A bit of
>> warmth and a bunch of CO2 is good news for nature and humanity.
>>
>> Cheer up. All that fear and gloom will kill you; warming won't.
>
>What you're hearing about CO2 and crop yields is wrong:
>"Though rising CO2 can stimulate plant growth, it also reduces the nutritional value of most food crops. Rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide reduce the concentrations of protein and essential minerals in most plant species, including wheat, soybeans, and rice. This direct effect of rising CO2 on the nutritional value of crops represents a potential threat to human health. Human health is also threatened by increased pesticide use due to increased pest pressures and reductions in the efficacy of pesticides."
>
>Nothing good comes out of excessive CO2.
>
>https://19january2017snapshot.epa.gov/climate-impacts/climate-impacts-agriculture-and-food-supply_.html

That's theory. This is reality:

https://extension.entm.purdue.edu/newsletters/pestandcrop/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/04/fig1.jpeg

On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 20:18:48 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 10:29:41 PM UTC-7, corvid wrote:
>> On 7/30/22 09:50, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>
>> > Air can move that far.
>
>> Ask Gnatguy about it. He can ride thermals up over the hot spots, and
>> descend over the reservoirs and the grassy weather station. Air goes up
>> and down, It doesn't just drift 400 feet over to the thermometer.
>
>Excellent point; if the hypothesis is that heat buildup on asphalt wafts laterally to the
>weather station, recall that hot air (PV=nRT is good enough; no need for VDW corrections)
>is less dense that cooler air, so it would rise (create an updraft). That means surface-parallel winds
>don't carry it to the not-so-tall weather station yonder, but rather that surface wind in the vicinity
>will tend to be FROM the weather station toward the asphalt.
>
>On the wee hours of winter mornings, though, if the asphalt radiates heat effectively at night, it'd
>generate COLD air, which will spread laterally to all sides, eventually mixing in to other surface air,
>and you would expect some increase in cold temperatures records. That'd be a downdraft site, it doesn't
>remove thermal-extreme mass from ground level at any great rate.

OK, urban heat island effect cools cities. And the Heathrow weather
station never sets high temp records because the runways and buildings
cool the weather station.

Thanks for explaining that.

On 8/1/22 12:20, John Larkin wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 20:18:48 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd
> <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 10:29:41 PM UTC-7, corvid wrote:
>>> On 7/30/22 09:50, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>
>>>> Air can move that far.
>>
>>> Ask Gnatguy about it. He can ride thermals up over the hot spots,
>>> and descend over the reservoirs and the grassy weather station.
>>> Air goes up and down, It doesn't just drift 400 feet over to the
>>> thermometer.
>>
>> Excellent point; if the hypothesis is that heat buildup on asphalt
>> wafts laterally to the weather station, recall that hot air (PV=nRT
>> is good enough; no need for VDW corrections) is less dense that
>> cooler air, so it would rise (create an updraft). That means
>> surface-parallel winds don't carry it to the not-so-tall weather
>> station yonder, but rather that surface wind in the vicinity will
>> tend to be FROM the weather station toward the asphalt.
>>
>> On the wee hours of winter mornings, though, if the asphalt
>> radiates heat effectively at night, it'd generate COLD air, which
>> will spread laterally to all sides, eventually mixing in to other
>> surface air, and you would expect some increase in cold
>> temperatures records. That'd be a downdraft site, it doesn't
>> remove thermal-extreme mass from ground level at any great rate.
>
> OK, urban heat island effect cools cities. And the Heathrow weather
> station never sets high temp records because the runways and
> buildings cool the weather station.
>
> Thanks for explaining that.

This has pictures for you.
https://www.boldmethod.com/learn-to-fly/weather/how-thermals-work/

On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 12:20:09 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 20:18:48 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:

> >On the wee hours of winter mornings, though, if the asphalt radiates heat effectively at night, it'd
> >generate COLD air, which will spread laterally to all sides, eventually mixing in to other surface air,
> >and you would expect some increase in cold temperatures records. That'd be a downdraft site, it doesn't
> >remove thermal-extreme mass from ground level at any great rate.

> OK, urban heat island effect cools cities.

Oh, please! Learn to read, it was black asphalt near weather stations, and I
addressed only abnormal cold temperature readings in morning hours
No 'urban heat island effect' under discussion, 'cools cities' a non sequitur as well.
Cities, like counties, continents, oceans, all have exactly the same average heat influx (heating)
as heat outflow (cooling), if they achieve any steady-state temperature. I was
only addressing a local transient peak/trough attending a black asphalt section.

>And the Heathrow weather
> station never sets high temp records because the runways and buildings
> cool the weather station.

No mention here of 'sets high temp records' events.
If you want a weather station away from tall buildings (essential part of the siting
criteria), an airport is a good place; don't want the planes' trajectories blocked, so
there aren't tall buildings there. Making (shadecasting) buildings irrelevant is WHY
one wants to use airport sites' weather records.

> Thanks for explaining that.

Don't be so fatuous.

A bizarre nym-shifting troll...

see also...
=?UTF-8?Q?C=c3=b6rvid?= <bl ckbirds.org>
=?UTF-8?B?8J+QriBDb3dzIGFyZSBOaWNlIPCfkK4=?= <nice cows.moo>
Banders <snap mailchute.com>
Covid-19 <always.look message.header>
corvid <bl ckb.ird>
Corvid <bl ckbirds.net>
Corvid <bl ckbirds.org>
Cows Are Nice <cows nice.moo>
Cows are nice <moo cows.org>
Cows are Nice <nice cows.moo>
dogs <dogs home.com>
Great Pumpkin <pumpkin patch.net>
Jose Curvo <jcurvo mymail.com>
Local Favorite <how2recycle palomar.info>
Sea <freshness coast.org>
Standard Poodle <standard poodle.com>
triangles <build home.com>
and others...

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> On 7/29/22 15:28, John Larkin wrote:
>
>>
>> The official Truckee temp is measured at the end of a runway. 100
>> years ago, Truckee didn't have airports or runways.
>
> How about grass though?
>
>> The max temp for London is generally at Heathrow, with the station on
>> the edge of a black asphalt runway.
>
> They're put over grassy areas, about 5 feet above the ground.
>
> Your "at the end of a runway... on the edge of a black asphalt runway"
> sounds like deliberately skewed misinformation.
>

See also these Jake Isks (aka John Doe) troll nym-shift names:

John Doe <always.look@message.header>
John <look@post.header>
Judge Dredd <always.look@post.header>
"Edward's Mother" <always.see@post.header>
"Edward's Father" <always.see@post.header>
Edward Hernandez Loves Porn <always.view@post.header>
Edward Hernandez Smells Funny <view@post.header>
Jack Webb <myopinion@least.com>

Jake Isks (aka John Doe troll) claiming it has never nym-shifted on
Usenet: http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165248158300

John Dope stated the following in message-id
<svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me>
(http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=164904625100) posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022
08:01:09 -0000 (UTC):

> Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
> except insults to this group.

Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope's post ratio
to USENET (**) has been 76.1% of its posts contributing "nothing except
insults" to USENET.

** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope has posted at
least 3610 articles to USENET. Of which 176 have been pure insults and
2571 have been John Dope "troll format" postings.

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

> The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
> breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
> CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Thu, 4 Aug 2022 22:06:41 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <tchfth$2trm4$3@dont-email.me>.

This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
readers who happen by to point out that John Dope does not even follow
the rules it uses to troll other posters.

ETBqAoE4GS/B