https://ktla.com/news/local-news/suv-overturns-at-end-of-violent-pursuit-crash-in-los-angeles/
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thu Apr 25 08:22:36 2024 AMuzi wrote:
> https://ktla.com/news/local-news/suv-overturns-at-end-of-violent-pursuit-crash-in-los-angeles/
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> am@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Inexperienced cyclists iften ride ihe wrong side of the street. It would appear that this lesson wasn't taught save in the last second. I imagine that tyhe thief cannot be charged with homicise because of that error.

On 4/25/2024 9:44 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thu Apr 25 08:22:36 2024 AMuzi wrote:
>> https://ktla.com/news/local-news/suv-overturns-at-end-of-violent-pursuit-crash-in-los-angeles/
>> --
>> Andrew Muzi
>> am@yellowjersey.org
>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
>
>
>
> Inexperienced cyclists iften ride ihe wrong side of the street. It would appear that this lesson wasn't taught save in the last second. I imagine that tyhe thief cannot be charged with homicise because of that error.

The criminal trying to evade LAPD in a high speed chase was
entirely over the yellow stripes. Our departed cyclist was
"JRA"; entirely innocent.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thu Apr 25 10:49:33 2024 AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/25/2024 9:44 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Thu Apr 25 08:22:36 2024 AMuzi wrote:
> >> https://ktla.com/news/local-news/suv-overturns-at-end-of-violent-pursuit-crash-in-los-angeles/
> >> --
> >> Andrew Muzi
> >> am@yellowjersey.org
> >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Inexperienced cyclists iften ride ihe wrong side of the street. It would appear that this lesson wasn't taught save in the last second. I imagine that tyhe thief cannot be charged with homicise because of that error.
>
> The criminal trying to evade LAPD in a high speed chase was
> entirely over the yellow stripes. Our departed cyclist was
> "JRA"; entirely innocent.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> am@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>

Looking at that photo the cyc[isy appears to be on the wrong side of the street, but perhaps that is a one way street.

On 4/25/2024 5:39 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thu Apr 25 10:49:33 2024 AMuzi wrote:
>> On 4/25/2024 9:44 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Thu Apr 25 08:22:36 2024 AMuzi wrote:
>>>> https://ktla.com/news/local-news/suv-overturns-at-end-of-violent-pursuit-crash-in-los-angeles/

>>>
>>>
>>> Inexperienced cyclists iften ride ihe wrong side of the street. It would appear that this lesson wasn't taught save in the last second. I imagine that tyhe thief cannot be charged with homicise because of that error.
>>
>> The criminal trying to evade LAPD in a high speed chase was
>> entirely over the yellow stripes. Our departed cyclist was
>> "JRA"; entirely innocent.
>
>
> Looking at that photo the cyc[isy appears to be on the wrong side of the street, but perhaps that is a one way street.

Read the text or watch the video. Either would do.

The perp is in a high speed chase, squad cars following. He
comes to a line of traffic stopped at an intersection, then
crosses the double yellow, caroms through the intersection
and flips, beheading the cyclist.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 4/25/2024 6:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/25/2024 5:39 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Thu Apr 25 10:49:33 2024 AMuzi  wrote:
>>> On 4/25/2024 9:44 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> On Thu Apr 25 08:22:36 2024 AMuzi  wrote:
>>>>> https://ktla.com/news/local-news/suv-overturns-at-end-of-violent-pursuit-crash-in-los-angeles/
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Inexperienced cyclists iften ride ihe wrong side of the street. It
>>>> would appear that this lesson wasn't taught save in the last second.
>>>> I imagine that tyhe thief cannot be charged with homicise because of
>>>> that error.
>>>
>>> The criminal trying to evade LAPD in a high speed chase was
>>> entirely over the yellow stripes. Our departed cyclist was
>>> "JRA"; entirely innocent.
>>
>>
>> Looking at that photo the cyc[isy appears to be on the wrong side of
>> the street, but perhaps that is a one way street.
>
> Read the text or watch the video. Either would do.

You're suggesting tommy should actually become informed before
commenting. Good luck with that.

>
> The perp is in a high speed chase, squad cars following. He comes to a
> line of traffic stopped at an intersection, then crosses the double
> yellow, caroms through the intersection and flips, beheading the cyclist.

From the link: "Video obtained by KTLA shows the moment the bicyclist
was struck by the vehicle — which was traveling on the opposite side of
the center line — and sent flying into the air."

Just to make the point more clear: "the vehicle — which was traveling on
the opposite side of the center line"

On 4/25/2024 11:00 PM, zen cycle wrote:
> On 4/25/2024 6:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 4/25/2024 5:39 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Thu Apr 25 10:49:33 2024 AMuzi  wrote:
>>>> On 4/25/2024 9:44 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>> On Thu Apr 25 08:22:36 2024 AMuzi  wrote:
>>>>>> https://ktla.com/news/local-news/suv-overturns-at-end-of-violent-pursuit-crash-in-los-angeles/
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Inexperienced cyclists iften ride ihe wrong side of the
>>>>> street. It would appear that this lesson wasn't taught
>>>>> save in the last second. I imagine that tyhe thief
>>>>> cannot be charged with homicise because of that error.
>>>>
>>>> The criminal trying to evade LAPD in a high speed chase was
>>>> entirely over the yellow stripes. Our departed cyclist was
>>>> "JRA"; entirely innocent.
>>>
>>>
>>> Looking at that photo the cyc[isy appears to be on the
>>> wrong side of the street, but perhaps that is a one way
>>> street.
>>
>> Read the text or watch the video. Either would do.
>
> You're suggesting tommy should actually become informed
> before commenting. Good luck with that.
>
>>
>> The perp is in a high speed chase, squad cars following.
>> He comes to a line of traffic stopped at an intersection,
>> then crosses the double yellow, caroms through the
>> intersection and flips, beheading the cyclist.
>
> From the link: "Video obtained by KTLA shows the moment the
> bicyclist was struck by the vehicle — which was traveling on
> the opposite side of the center line — and sent flying into
> the air."
>
> Just to make the point more clear: "the vehicle — which was
> traveling on the opposite side of the center line"
>
>
>

For the interested reader, details released this morning:
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/colombian-man-identified-as-cyclist-killed-by-fleeing-driver-in-los-angeles/
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thu Apr 25 17:51:26 2024 AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/25/2024 5:39 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Thu Apr 25 10:49:33 2024 AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 4/25/2024 9:44 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> On Thu Apr 25 08:22:36 2024 AMuzi wrote:
> >>>> https://ktla.com/news/local-news/suv-overturns-at-end-of-violent-pursuit-crash-in-los-angeles/
>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Inexperienced cyclists iften ride ihe wrong side of the street. It would appear that this lesson wasn't taught save in the last second. I imagine that tyhe thief cannot be charged with homicise because of that error.
> >>
> >> The criminal trying to evade LAPD in a high speed chase was
> >> entirely over the yellow stripes. Our departed cyclist was
> >> "JRA"; entirely innocent.
> >
> >
> > Looking at that photo the cyc[isy appears to be on the wrong side of the street, but perhaps that is a one way street.
>
> Read the text or watch the video. Either would do.
>
> The perp is in a high speed chase, squad cars following. He
> comes to a line of traffic stopped at an intersection, then
> crosses the double yellow, caroms through the intersection
> and flips, beheading the cyclist.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> am@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>

I can read the article but my antivirus blocks that video. The Picture shows the cyclist on the wrong side of the street. Perhaps it is a one way street that the criminal drove the wrong way on to evade capture. I spend a lot of time in the city evading cyclists on the wrong side of the street. It's no use explaining it to them beause most of them have as much command of English as Flunky

On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 15:26:54 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>I can read the article but my antivirus blocks that video.

Neither URL posted by Andrew contains a video:
<https://ktla.com/news/local-news/suv-overturns-at-end-of-violent-pursuit-crash-in-los-angeles/>
<https://ktla.com/news/local-news/colombian-man-identified-as-cyclist-killed-by-fleeing-driver-in-los-angeles/>
The caption on the first photo claims that it was taken from a "video
obtained by KTLA", but the image is a JPG.

--
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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 4/26/2024 11:16 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 15:26:54 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I can read the article but my antivirus blocks that video.
>
> Neither URL posted by Andrew contains a video:
> <https://ktla.com/news/local-news/suv-overturns-at-end-of-violent-pursuit-crash-in-los-angeles/>
> <https://ktla.com/news/local-news/colombian-man-identified-as-cyclist-killed-by-fleeing-driver-in-los-angeles/>
> The caption on the first photo claims that it was taken from a "video
> obtained by KTLA", but the image is a JPG.
>
>

??
When I visit that KTLA link I get a popup video inset on the
right side of the screen (and I do run AdBlock PLus).
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri Apr 26 09:16:27 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 15:26:54 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I can read the article but my antivirus blocks that video.
>
> Neither URL posted by Andrew contains a video:
> <https://ktla.com/news/local-news/suv-overturns-at-end-of-violent-pursuit-crash-in-los-angeles/>
> <https://ktla.com/news/local-news/colombian-man-identified-as-cyclist-killed-by-fleeing-driver-in-los-angeles/>
> The caption on the first photo claims that it was taken from a "video
> obtained by KTLA", but the image is a JPG.
>
>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Were sorry!
The page you are looking for cant be found.
The story, page, or video you were trying to access may have been moved.
There might have been a typo in the link you used to get here.

404

PAGE NOT FOUND

On Fri Apr 26 11:25:05 2024 AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/26/2024 11:16 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> > On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 15:26:54 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I can read the article but my antivirus blocks that video.
> >
> > Neither URL posted by Andrew contains a video:
> > <https://ktla.com/news/local-news/suv-overturns-at-end-of-violent-pursuit-crash-in-los-angeles/>
> > <https://ktla.com/news/local-news/colombian-man-identified-as-cyclist-killed-by-fleeing-driver-in-los-angeles/>
> > The caption on the first photo claims that it was taken from a "video
> > obtained by KTLA", but the image is a JPG.
> >
> >
>
> ??
> When I visit that KTLA link I get a popup video inset on the
> right side of the screen (and I do run AdBlock PLus).
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> am@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>

Virtually everything that Liebermann references fives me a "page does not exist"

On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 11:25:05 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 4/26/2024 11:16 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 15:26:54 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I can read the article but my antivirus blocks that video.
>>
>> Neither URL posted by Andrew contains a video:
>> <https://ktla.com/news/local-news/suv-overturns-at-end-of-violent-pursuit-crash-in-los-angeles/>
>> <https://ktla.com/news/local-news/colombian-man-identified-as-cyclist-killed-by-fleeing-driver-in-los-angeles/>
>> The caption on the first photo claims that it was taken from a "video
>> obtained by KTLA", but the image is a JPG.

>??
>When I visit that KTLA link I get a popup video inset on the
>right side of the screen (and I do run AdBlock PLus).

I just tried both links in Firefox and Chrome browsers. Initially, I
didn't see any pop-up video. Then the phone rang. When I returned
(about 5 min), a video appeared as you described in the first URL, but
no video in the 2nd. Same thing with both browsers. Since Firefox
has a built in pop-up blocker, which I have enabled, I thought that
might have been the problem. It's not.

I just tried using Edge and got the same results. Pop-up video in the
first URL and nothing in the second URL. However, the pop-up video
window appeared without any delay (because the stream was already in
the Chrome browser cache. I don't want to try again after clearing
the various caches.

My guess(tm) is that KTLA delays the pop-up video so that viewer will
have time to read the story (and the ads) before having the video
appear unannounced. I think if Tom would have waited a little, he
would have seen the video and would not have needed to blame his
anti-virus program.

Thanks for double checking.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 4/26/2024 1:05 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 11:25:05 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 4/26/2024 11:16 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 15:26:54 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can read the article but my antivirus blocks that video.
>>>
>>> Neither URL posted by Andrew contains a video:
>>> <https://ktla.com/news/local-news/suv-overturns-at-end-of-violent-pursuit-crash-in-los-angeles/>
>>> <https://ktla.com/news/local-news/colombian-man-identified-as-cyclist-killed-by-fleeing-driver-in-los-angeles/>
>>> The caption on the first photo claims that it was taken from a "video
>>> obtained by KTLA", but the image is a JPG.
>
>> ??
>> When I visit that KTLA link I get a popup video inset on the
>> right side of the screen (and I do run AdBlock PLus).
>
> I just tried both links in Firefox and Chrome browsers. Initially, I
> didn't see any pop-up video. Then the phone rang. When I returned
> (about 5 min), a video appeared as you described in the first URL, but
> no video in the 2nd. Same thing with both browsers. Since Firefox
> has a built in pop-up blocker, which I have enabled, I thought that
> might have been the problem. It's not.
>
> I just tried using Edge and got the same results. Pop-up video in the
> first URL and nothing in the second URL. However, the pop-up video
> window appeared without any delay (because the stream was already in
> the Chrome browser cache. I don't want to try again after clearing
> the various caches.
>
> My guess(tm) is that KTLA delays the pop-up video so that viewer will
> have time to read the story (and the ads) before having the video
> appear unannounced. I think if Tom would have waited a little, he
> would have seen the video and would not have needed to blame his
> anti-virus program.
>
> Thanks for double checking.
>
>
>

Yes that's right, video in original report but not in
followup details.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 4/26/2024 1:10 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Fri Apr 26 09:16:27 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 15:26:54 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I can read the article but my antivirus blocks that video.
>>
>> Neither URL posted by Andrew contains a video:
>> <https://ktla.com/news/local-news/suv-overturns-at-end-of-violent-pursuit-crash-in-los-angeles/>
>> <https://ktla.com/news/local-news/colombian-man-identified-as-cyclist-killed-by-fleeing-driver-in-los-angeles/>
>> The caption on the first photo claims that it was taken from a "video
>> obtained by KTLA", but the image is a JPG.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
>> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
>> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
>> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
>
>
>
>
> Were sorry!
> The page you are looking for cant be found.
> The story, page, or video you were trying to access may have been moved.
> There might have been a typo in the link you used to get here.
>
>
> 404
>
> PAGE NOT FOUND

Displayed for me yesterday, two hours ago ( from Mr
Liebermann's comment) and again just now:

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/suv-overturns-at-end-of-violent-pursuit-crash-in-los-angeles/
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 4/26/2024 2:30 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/26/2024 1:10 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Fri Apr 26 09:16:27 2024 Jeff Liebermann  wrote:
>>> On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 15:26:54 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can read the article but my antivirus blocks that video.
>>>
>>> Neither URL posted by Andrew contains a video:
>>> <https://ktla.com/news/local-news/suv-overturns-at-end-of-violent-pursuit-crash-in-los-angeles/ " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://ktla.com/news/local-news/suv-overturns-at-end-of-violent-pursuit-crash-in-los-angeles/>
>>> <https://ktla.com/news/local-news/colombian-man-identified-as-cyclist-killed-by-fleeing-driver-in-los-angeles/>
>>> The caption on the first photo claims that it was taken from a "video
>>> obtained by KTLA", but the image is a JPG.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jeff Liebermann                 jeffl@cruzio.com
>>> PO Box 272      http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
>>> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
>>> Skype: JeffLiebermann      AE6KS    831-336-2558
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Were sorry!
>> The page you are looking for cant be found.
>> The story, page, or video you were trying to access may have been moved.
>> There might have been a typo in the link you used to get here.
>>
>>
>> 404
>>
>> PAGE NOT FOUND
>
> Displayed for me yesterday, two hours ago ( from Mr Liebermann's
> comment) and again just now:
>
> https://ktla.com/news/local-news/suv-overturns-at-end-of-violent-pursuit-crash-in-los-angeles/

Me too.

Tom has so many problems!

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 18:10:55 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Fri Apr 26 09:16:27 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> <https://ktla.com/news/local-news/suv-overturns-at-end-of-violent-pursuit-crash-in-los-angeles/>
>> <https://ktla.com/news/local-news/colombian-man-identified-as-cyclist-killed-by-fleeing-driver-in-los-angeles/>

>We
>The page you are looking for can
>The story, page, or video you were trying to access may have been moved.
>There might have been a typo in the link you used to get here.
>404
>
>PAGE NOT FOUND

Like this?
<https://ktla.com/junk.html>

Some possible causes:
1. You typed on the keyboard the long URL instead of clicking on it.
Don't do that. Use the mouse.
2. The long link got word-wrapped by whatever browser you're using
for a news reader. Browsers don't like it when you add a CR and/or LF
in the middle of a URL.
3. Your computer is infected with malware. Specifically, a browser
hijacker that redirects some (not all) of your URL's to a scam or fake
web side. Unlikely since you successfully displayed the KTLA error
page, but worth checking anyway. I suggest Malwarebytes (free).
<https://www.techtarget.com/searchsecurity/definition/browser-hijacker>
4. The KTLA web server does not like your political activities.
Apologize to the KTLA web server and perhaps they'll let you look at
their web pages.
5. The aliens have landed and are in the process of taking over
starting with your computer. Surrender now and they might let you
live.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 4/26/2024 3:08 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 18:10:55 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri Apr 26 09:16:27 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> <https://ktla.com/news/local-news/suv-overturns-at-end-of-violent-pursuit-crash-in-los-angeles/>
>>> <https://ktla.com/news/local-news/colombian-man-identified-as-cyclist-killed-by-fleeing-driver-in-los-angeles/>
>
>> We
>> The page you are looking for can
>> The story, page, or video you were trying to access may have been moved.
>> There might have been a typo in the link you used to get here.
>> 404
>>
>> PAGE NOT FOUND
>
> Like this?
> <https://ktla.com/junk.html>
>
> Some possible causes:
> 1. You typed on the keyboard the long URL instead of clicking on it.
> Don't do that. Use the mouse.
> 2. The long link got word-wrapped by whatever browser you're using
> for a news reader. Browsers don't like it when you add a CR and/or LF
> in the middle of a URL.
> 3. Your computer is infected with malware. Specifically, a browser
> hijacker that redirects some (not all) of your URL's to a scam or fake
> web side. Unlikely since you successfully displayed the KTLA error
> page, but worth checking anyway. I suggest Malwarebytes (free).
> <https://www.techtarget.com/searchsecurity/definition/browser-hijacker>
> 4. The KTLA web server does not like your political activities.
> Apologize to the KTLA web server and perhaps they'll let you look at
> their web pages.
> 5. The aliens have landed and are in the process of taking over
> starting with your computer. Surrender now and they might let you
> live.
>
>

Maybe but it looks like they've had enough of Oakland for
the moment. They're in New York this week:

https://truenews.media/2024/04/26/woman-films-ufo-flying-over-new-york-city/

and Da Gummit is covering up, "she has not heard back from
the Federal Aviation Administration".
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 15:20:41 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 4/26/2024 3:08 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 18:10:55 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri Apr 26 09:16:27 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>> <https://ktla.com/news/local-news/suv-overturns-at-end-of-violent-pursuit-crash-in-los-angeles/>
>>>> <https://ktla.com/news/local-news/colombian-man-identified-as-cyclist-killed-by-fleeing-driver-in-los-angeles/>
>>
>>> We
>>> The page you are looking for can
>>> The story, page, or video you were trying to access may have been moved.
>>> There might have been a typo in the link you used to get here.
>>> 404
>>>
>>> PAGE NOT FOUND
>>
>> Like this?
>> <https://ktla.com/junk.html>
>>
>> Some possible causes:
>> 1. You typed on the keyboard the long URL instead of clicking on it.
>> Don't do that. Use the mouse.
>> 2. The long link got word-wrapped by whatever browser you're using
>> for a news reader. Browsers don't like it when you add a CR and/or LF
>> in the middle of a URL.
>> 3. Your computer is infected with malware. Specifically, a browser
>> hijacker that redirects some (not all) of your URL's to a scam or fake
>> web side. Unlikely since you successfully displayed the KTLA error
>> page, but worth checking anyway. I suggest Malwarebytes (free).
>> <https://www.techtarget.com/searchsecurity/definition/browser-hijacker>
>> 4. The KTLA web server does not like your political activities.
>> Apologize to the KTLA web server and perhaps they'll let you look at
>> their web pages.
>> 5. The aliens have landed and are in the process of taking over
>> starting with your computer. Surrender now and they might let you
>> live.

>Maybe but it looks like they've had enough of Oakland for
>the moment.

KTLA is not in Oakland, CA. Their studios are on the Sunset Strip in
Smog Angeles and their transmitters is on top of Mt Wilson.

>They're in New York this week:
>https://truenews.media/2024/04/26/woman-films-ufo-flying-over-new-york-city/
>and Da Gummit is covering up, "she has not heard back from
>the Federal Aviation Administration".

That's a camera with an amazing depth of field. It can focus on
everything that is on the ground, which might as well be infinity and
the very close window frame:
<https://youtu.be/8wVw5ByNb9c?t=218>
It can also focus on something yellow attached to the airplane, which
seems to be a few feet away:
<https://youtu.be/8wVw5ByNb9c?t=30>
However, the UFO in between the window and the ground is out of focus.

Equally amazing is how they managed to make a stable and well framed
video when the nearest window is not very close to where they were
sitting. The airplane is flying at fairly low altitude and slow
enough to be landing. Unfortunately, I can't see if they are wearing
seat belts. To take a photo out the nearest window, they would need
to remove their seat belts.

Their UFO expert (Ben Hanson) mentions that the UFO was flying at 200
mph. He also mentioned that it was visible for 1/7th of a second in 5
video frames going in the direction opposite the aircraft. Yet, there
was no visible turbulence as it passed. Commercial jets fly at about
150 to 160 mph on approach. If the UFO was flying at 200 mph in the
opposite direction, the jet would need to be landing at 40 mph to
appear to by flying at 200 mph. That's not likely.

Incidentally, the National UFO Recording Center logs a fairly large
number of sightings every month:
<https://nuforc.org/map/>
Looking at their reports, it will take another month to have the
sighting appear on their web pages.

Incidentally, I say something like a UFO in the early 1970's. I was
on a mountain top radio site at about 4,000 ft altitude. In the
distance, I could see something moving at the same altitude. It was
moving very slowly, which gave me enough time to find where I had
buried the binoculars in the company service truck. As the UFO came
closer, it was still difficult to recognize what it was. Flying
before me was the majestic sight of an inverted camping tent.
Something like this:
<https://www.coleman.com/tents-canopies/collections/skydome-tents/>
No, I didn't report it. I later asked the park ranger in the nearby
fire lookout if this was a common event. He said it happens a few
times each year during camping season:
<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11362033/Upside-flying-tent-launched-hundreds-feet-Florida-sky-delights-social-media.html>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 4/26/2024 6:16 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 15:20:41 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 4/26/2024 3:08 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 18:10:55 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri Apr 26 09:16:27 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>> <https://ktla.com/news/local-news/suv-overturns-at-end-of-violent-pursuit-crash-in-los-angeles/>
>>>>> <https://ktla.com/news/local-news/colombian-man-identified-as-cyclist-killed-by-fleeing-driver-in-los-angeles/>
>>>
>>>> We
>>>> The page you are looking for can
>>>> The story, page, or video you were trying to access may have been moved.
>>>> There might have been a typo in the link you used to get here.
>>>> 404
>>>>
>>>> PAGE NOT FOUND
>>>
>>> Like this?
>>> <https://ktla.com/junk.html>
>>>
>>> Some possible causes:
>>> 1. You typed on the keyboard the long URL instead of clicking on it.
>>> Don't do that. Use the mouse.
>>> 2. The long link got word-wrapped by whatever browser you're using
>>> for a news reader. Browsers don't like it when you add a CR and/or LF
>>> in the middle of a URL.
>>> 3. Your computer is infected with malware. Specifically, a browser
>>> hijacker that redirects some (not all) of your URL's to a scam or fake
>>> web side. Unlikely since you successfully displayed the KTLA error
>>> page, but worth checking anyway. I suggest Malwarebytes (free).
>>> <https://www.techtarget.com/searchsecurity/definition/browser-hijacker>
>>> 4. The KTLA web server does not like your political activities.
>>> Apologize to the KTLA web server and perhaps they'll let you look at
>>> their web pages.
>>> 5. The aliens have landed and are in the process of taking over
>>> starting with your computer. Surrender now and they might let you
>>> live.
>
>> Maybe but it looks like they've had enough of Oakland for
>> the moment.
>
> KTLA is not in Oakland, CA. Their studios are on the Sunset Strip in
> Smog Angeles and their transmitters is on top of Mt Wilson.
>
>> They're in New York this week:
>> https://truenews.media/2024/04/26/woman-films-ufo-flying-over-new-york-city/
>> and Da Gummit is covering up, "she has not heard back from
>> the Federal Aviation Administration".
>
> That's a camera with an amazing depth of field. It can focus on
> everything that is on the ground, which might as well be infinity and
> the very close window frame:
> <https://youtu.be/8wVw5ByNb9c?t=218>
> It can also focus on something yellow attached to the airplane, which
> seems to be a few feet away:
> <https://youtu.be/8wVw5ByNb9c?t=30>
> However, the UFO in between the window and the ground is out of focus.
>
> Equally amazing is how they managed to make a stable and well framed
> video when the nearest window is not very close to where they were
> sitting. The airplane is flying at fairly low altitude and slow
> enough to be landing. Unfortunately, I can't see if they are wearing
> seat belts. To take a photo out the nearest window, they would need
> to remove their seat belts.
>
> Their UFO expert (Ben Hanson) mentions that the UFO was flying at 200
> mph. He also mentioned that it was visible for 1/7th of a second in 5
> video frames going in the direction opposite the aircraft. Yet, there
> was no visible turbulence as it passed. Commercial jets fly at about
> 150 to 160 mph on approach. If the UFO was flying at 200 mph in the
> opposite direction, the jet would need to be landing at 40 mph to
> appear to by flying at 200 mph. That's not likely.
>
> Incidentally, the National UFO Recording Center logs a fairly large
> number of sightings every month:
> <https://nuforc.org/map/>
> Looking at their reports, it will take another month to have the
> sighting appear on their web pages.
>
> Incidentally, I say something like a UFO in the early 1970's. I was
> on a mountain top radio site at about 4,000 ft altitude. In the
> distance, I could see something moving at the same altitude. It was
> moving very slowly, which gave me enough time to find where I had
> buried the binoculars in the company service truck. As the UFO came
> closer, it was still difficult to recognize what it was. Flying
> before me was the majestic sight of an inverted camping tent.
> Something like this:
> <https://www.coleman.com/tents-canopies/collections/skydome-tents/>
> No, I didn't report it. I later asked the park ranger in the nearby
> fire lookout if this was a common event. He said it happens a few
> times each year during camping season:
> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11362033/Upside-flying-tent-launched-hundreds-feet-Florida-sky-delights-social-media.html>
>
>
>

Of course it was out of focus. As are Nessie, Bigfoot,
zombies and ghosts.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 18:18:54 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 4/26/2024 6:16 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 15:20:41 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/26/2024 3:08 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 18:10:55 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri Apr 26 09:16:27 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>>> <https://ktla.com/news/local-news/suv-overturns-at-end-of-violent-pursuit-crash-in-los-angeles/>
>>>>>> <https://ktla.com/news/local-news/colombian-man-identified-as-cyclist-killed-by-fleeing-driver-in-los-angeles/>
>>>>
>>>>> We
>>>>> The page you are looking for can
>>>>> The story, page, or video you were trying to access may have been moved.
>>>>> There might have been a typo in the link you used to get here.
>>>>> 404
>>>>>
>>>>> PAGE NOT FOUND
>>>>
>>>> Like this?
>>>> <https://ktla.com/junk.html>
>>>>
>>>> Some possible causes:
>>>> 1. You typed on the keyboard the long URL instead of clicking on it.
>>>> Don't do that. Use the mouse.
>>>> 2. The long link got word-wrapped by whatever browser you're using
>>>> for a news reader. Browsers don't like it when you add a CR and/or LF
>>>> in the middle of a URL.
>>>> 3. Your computer is infected with malware. Specifically, a browser
>>>> hijacker that redirects some (not all) of your URL's to a scam or fake
>>>> web side. Unlikely since you successfully displayed the KTLA error
>>>> page, but worth checking anyway. I suggest Malwarebytes (free).
>>>> <https://www.techtarget.com/searchsecurity/definition/browser-hijacker>
>>>> 4. The KTLA web server does not like your political activities.
>>>> Apologize to the KTLA web server and perhaps they'll let you look at
>>>> their web pages.
>>>> 5. The aliens have landed and are in the process of taking over
>>>> starting with your computer. Surrender now and they might let you
>>>> live.
>>
>>> Maybe but it looks like they've had enough of Oakland for
>>> the moment.
>>
>> KTLA is not in Oakland, CA. Their studios are on the Sunset Strip in
>> Smog Angeles and their transmitters is on top of Mt Wilson.
>>
>>> They're in New York this week:
>>> https://truenews.media/2024/04/26/woman-films-ufo-flying-over-new-york-city/
>>> and Da Gummit is covering up, "she has not heard back from
>>> the Federal Aviation Administration".
>>
>> That's a camera with an amazing depth of field. It can focus on
>> everything that is on the ground, which might as well be infinity and
>> the very close window frame:
>> <https://youtu.be/8wVw5ByNb9c?t=218>
>> It can also focus on something yellow attached to the airplane, which
>> seems to be a few feet away:
>> <https://youtu.be/8wVw5ByNb9c?t=30>
>> However, the UFO in between the window and the ground is out of focus.
>>
>> Equally amazing is how they managed to make a stable and well framed
>> video when the nearest window is not very close to where they were
>> sitting. The airplane is flying at fairly low altitude and slow
>> enough to be landing. Unfortunately, I can't see if they are wearing
>> seat belts. To take a photo out the nearest window, they would need
>> to remove their seat belts.
>>
>> Their UFO expert (Ben Hanson) mentions that the UFO was flying at 200
>> mph. He also mentioned that it was visible for 1/7th of a second in 5
>> video frames going in the direction opposite the aircraft. Yet, there
>> was no visible turbulence as it passed. Commercial jets fly at about
>> 150 to 160 mph on approach. If the UFO was flying at 200 mph in the
>> opposite direction, the jet would need to be landing at 40 mph to
>> appear to by flying at 200 mph. That's not likely.
>>
>> Incidentally, the National UFO Recording Center logs a fairly large
>> number of sightings every month:
>> <https://nuforc.org/map/>
>> Looking at their reports, it will take another month to have the
>> sighting appear on their web pages.
>>
>> Incidentally, I say something like a UFO in the early 1970's. I was
>> on a mountain top radio site at about 4,000 ft altitude. In the
>> distance, I could see something moving at the same altitude. It was
>> moving very slowly, which gave me enough time to find where I had
>> buried the binoculars in the company service truck. As the UFO came
>> closer, it was still difficult to recognize what it was. Flying
>> before me was the majestic sight of an inverted camping tent.
>> Something like this:
>> <https://www.coleman.com/tents-canopies/collections/skydome-tents/>
>> No, I didn't report it. I later asked the park ranger in the nearby
>> fire lookout if this was a common event. He said it happens a few
>> times each year during camping season:
>> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11362033/Upside-flying-tent-launched-hundreds-feet-Florida-sky-delights-social-media.html>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>Of course it was out of focus. As are Nessie, Bigfoot,
>zombies and ghosts.

It seems to me that if "aliens" can figure out how to get here from
many light years away, they can figure out how to keep us from
spotting them.

On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 18:18:54 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 4/26/2024 6:16 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

>> It can also focus on something yellow attached to the airplane, which
>> seems to be a few feet away:
>> <https://youtu.be/8wVw5ByNb9c?t=30>

The yellow object in the upper-right of the window looks familiar.
However, I'm having problems identifying it. At 150-160 mph approach
speed, it would have been flapping furiously in the slip stream.
Therefore, the window frame, flag, and cabin were probably
photographed on the ground. The view of New York and the UFO was
added later using some video editing software.

If it's a flag, maybe something like this:
<https://www.shutterstock.com/shutterstock/photos/1678454485/display_1500/stock-photo-bright-yellow-color-remove-before-flight-airplane-safety-label-isolated-on-white-close-up-1678454485.jpg>

"How easy it is to fake a UFO photo"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdneCWjfLkk>

>> However, the UFO in between the window and the ground is out of focus.

>Of course it was out of focus. As are Nessie, Bigfoot,
>zombies and ghosts.

Until mid February, before cataract surgery, everything was out of
focus.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 4/26/2024 6:49 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 18:18:54 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 4/26/2024 6:16 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 15:20:41 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/26/2024 3:08 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 18:10:55 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri Apr 26 09:16:27 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>>>> <https://ktla.com/news/local-news/suv-overturns-at-end-of-violent-pursuit-crash-in-los-angeles/>
>>>>>>> <https://ktla.com/news/local-news/colombian-man-identified-as-cyclist-killed-by-fleeing-driver-in-los-angeles/>
>>>>>
>>>>>> We
>>>>>> The page you are looking for can
>>>>>> The story, page, or video you were trying to access may have been moved.
>>>>>> There might have been a typo in the link you used to get here.
>>>>>> 404
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PAGE NOT FOUND
>>>>>
>>>>> Like this?
>>>>> <https://ktla.com/junk.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> Some possible causes:
>>>>> 1. You typed on the keyboard the long URL instead of clicking on it.
>>>>> Don't do that. Use the mouse.
>>>>> 2. The long link got word-wrapped by whatever browser you're using
>>>>> for a news reader. Browsers don't like it when you add a CR and/or LF
>>>>> in the middle of a URL.
>>>>> 3. Your computer is infected with malware. Specifically, a browser
>>>>> hijacker that redirects some (not all) of your URL's to a scam or fake
>>>>> web side. Unlikely since you successfully displayed the KTLA error
>>>>> page, but worth checking anyway. I suggest Malwarebytes (free).
>>>>> <https://www.techtarget.com/searchsecurity/definition/browser-hijacker>
>>>>> 4. The KTLA web server does not like your political activities.
>>>>> Apologize to the KTLA web server and perhaps they'll let you look at
>>>>> their web pages.
>>>>> 5. The aliens have landed and are in the process of taking over
>>>>> starting with your computer. Surrender now and they might let you
>>>>> live.
>>>
>>>> Maybe but it looks like they've had enough of Oakland for
>>>> the moment.
>>>
>>> KTLA is not in Oakland, CA. Their studios are on the Sunset Strip in
>>> Smog Angeles and their transmitters is on top of Mt Wilson.
>>>
>>>> They're in New York this week:
>>>> https://truenews.media/2024/04/26/woman-films-ufo-flying-over-new-york-city/
>>>> and Da Gummit is covering up, "she has not heard back from
>>>> the Federal Aviation Administration".
>>>
>>> That's a camera with an amazing depth of field. It can focus on
>>> everything that is on the ground, which might as well be infinity and
>>> the very close window frame:
>>> <https://youtu.be/8wVw5ByNb9c?t=218>
>>> It can also focus on something yellow attached to the airplane, which
>>> seems to be a few feet away:
>>> <https://youtu.be/8wVw5ByNb9c?t=30>
>>> However, the UFO in between the window and the ground is out of focus.
>>>
>>> Equally amazing is how they managed to make a stable and well framed
>>> video when the nearest window is not very close to where they were
>>> sitting. The airplane is flying at fairly low altitude and slow
>>> enough to be landing. Unfortunately, I can't see if they are wearing
>>> seat belts. To take a photo out the nearest window, they would need
>>> to remove their seat belts.
>>>
>>> Their UFO expert (Ben Hanson) mentions that the UFO was flying at 200
>>> mph. He also mentioned that it was visible for 1/7th of a second in 5
>>> video frames going in the direction opposite the aircraft. Yet, there
>>> was no visible turbulence as it passed. Commercial jets fly at about
>>> 150 to 160 mph on approach. If the UFO was flying at 200 mph in the
>>> opposite direction, the jet would need to be landing at 40 mph to
>>> appear to by flying at 200 mph. That's not likely.
>>>
>>> Incidentally, the National UFO Recording Center logs a fairly large
>>> number of sightings every month:
>>> <https://nuforc.org/map/>
>>> Looking at their reports, it will take another month to have the
>>> sighting appear on their web pages.
>>>
>>> Incidentally, I say something like a UFO in the early 1970's. I was
>>> on a mountain top radio site at about 4,000 ft altitude. In the
>>> distance, I could see something moving at the same altitude. It was
>>> moving very slowly, which gave me enough time to find where I had
>>> buried the binoculars in the company service truck. As the UFO came
>>> closer, it was still difficult to recognize what it was. Flying
>>> before me was the majestic sight of an inverted camping tent.
>>> Something like this:
>>> <https://www.coleman.com/tents-canopies/collections/skydome-tents/>
>>> No, I didn't report it. I later asked the park ranger in the nearby
>>> fire lookout if this was a common event. He said it happens a few
>>> times each year during camping season:
>>> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11362033/Upside-flying-tent-launched-hundreds-feet-Florida-sky-delights-social-media.html>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Of course it was out of focus. As are Nessie, Bigfoot,
>> zombies and ghosts.
>
>
> It seems to me that if "aliens" can figure out how to get here from
> many light years away, they can figure out how to keep us from
> spotting them.

They were good at deceiving airport radar but not one woman
out of a few hundred passengers on that airliner? Right.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 4/26/2024 7:16 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 15:20:41 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> They're in New York this week:
>> https://truenews.media/2024/04/26/woman-films-ufo-flying-over-new-york-city/
>> and Da Gummit is covering up, "she has not heard back from
>> the Federal Aviation Administration".
>
> That's a camera with an amazing depth of field. It can focus on
> everything that is on the ground, which might as well be infinity and
> the very close window frame:
> <https://youtu.be/8wVw5ByNb9c?t=218>
> It can also focus on something yellow attached to the airplane, which
> seems to be a few feet away:
> <https://youtu.be/8wVw5ByNb9c?t=30>
> However, the UFO in between the window and the ground is out of focus.

They're talking about the object moving very fast. Have they considered
that the plane is moving very fast, and the object may be nearby and
nearly stationary? Something akin to a helium balloon?

[...]

> Incidentally, I say something like a UFO in the early 1970's. I was
> on a mountain top radio site at about 4,000 ft altitude. In the
> distance, I could see something moving at the same altitude. It was
> moving very slowly, which gave me enough time to find where I had
> buried the binoculars in the company service truck. As the UFO came
> closer, it was still difficult to recognize what it was. Flying
> before me was the majestic sight of an inverted camping tent.

My one true UFO sort-of sighting occurred at night in my back yard. I
say "sort of" because what I actually saw was a very large dark shape
obscuring the stars at it silently moved west.

My best guess is that it was a blimp (Goodyear has them about 60 miles
west of here) that for some reason was proceeding homeward in stealth
mode at that moment. Unfortunately I don't remember the wind direction
that day.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 21:58:41 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 4/26/2024 7:16 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 15:20:41 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> They're in New York this week:
>>> https://truenews.media/2024/04/26/woman-films-ufo-flying-over-new-york-city/
>>> and Da Gummit is covering up, "she has not heard back from
>>> the Federal Aviation Administration".
>>
>> That's a camera with an amazing depth of field. It can focus on
>> everything that is on the ground, which might as well be infinity and
>> the very close window frame:
>> <https://youtu.be/8wVw5ByNb9c?t=218>
>> It can also focus on something yellow attached to the airplane, which
>> seems to be a few feet away:
>> <https://youtu.be/8wVw5ByNb9c?t=30>
>> However, the UFO in between the window and the ground is out of focus.
>
>They're talking about the object moving very fast. Have they considered
>that the plane is moving very fast, and the object may be nearby and
>nearly stationary? Something akin to a helium balloon?

In order to achieve zero relative motions, the airplane and the UFO
must be moving in the same direction. In this UFO case, they are
moving in opposite directions, which makes it impossible for the
relative motion to equal zero (stationary) unless both UFO and
airplane were not moving.

>
>[...]
>
>> Incidentally, I say something like a UFO in the early 1970's. I was
>> on a mountain top radio site at about 4,000 ft altitude. In the
>> distance, I could see something moving at the same altitude. It was
>> moving very slowly, which gave me enough time to find where I had
>> buried the binoculars in the company service truck. As the UFO came
>> closer, it was still difficult to recognize what it was. Flying
>> before me was the majestic sight of an inverted camping tent.

>My one true UFO sort-of sighting occurred at night in my back yard. I
>say "sort of" because what I actually saw was a very large dark shape
>obscuring the stars at it silently moved west.

That would make a good opening scene for a science fiction movie.

>My best guess is that it was a blimp (Goodyear has them about 60 miles
>west of here) that for some reason was proceeding homeward in stealth
>mode at that moment.

Never mind on the sci-fi movie. Nobody would believe that aliens
arrived on earth in lighter than air UFO's.

>Unfortunately I don't remember the wind direction
>that day.

That's the problem with most unexplained UFO sightings. If the
observers were better educated in making observations, there would be
more numbers and physics to work with, which would then make it easier
to prove or disprove the sighting. It's the little things, like the
yellow tag on the outside of the airplane that are lost in most
sightings and reports.

Conventional wisdom suggests that if we ever meet extra-terrestrials
with superior knowledge and technology, they will try to kill and eat
us. That's wrong. They will probably try to sell us things that are
eventually found to be a scam.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558