On Wednesday, 1 March 2023 at 21:18:11 UTC+1, The Starmaker wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >
> > On Wednesday, 1 March 2023 at 19:47:19 UTC+1, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wednesday, 1 March 2023 at 07:36:53 UTC+1, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wednesday, 1 March 2023 at 01:01:49 UTC+1, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As everybody knows, proper clocks measure
> > > > > > > > Einstein's idiocies.
> > > > > > > > But how about improper ones? Can they
> > > > > > > > measure t'=t?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > See, poor halfbrains: you may scream of
> > > > > > > > EXPERIMENTS!!! EVIDENCE!!! and alike,
> > > > > > > > but the real basement of The Shit is your
> > > > > > > > faith your violating common sense concepts
> > > > > > > > are "proper" ones.
> > > > > > > 'improper clocks' don't exist....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > synonyms: inappropriate, unacceptable, unsuitable, unprofessional,
> > > > > > > irregular, illegitimate, against the rules, unethical,
> > > > > > > corrupt, immoral, dishonest, dishonorable, unscrupulous, crooked, not
> > > > > > > cricket, indecent, risqué, off color, indelicate, suggestive,
> > > > > > > naughty, ribald, earthy, Rabelaisian, smutty, dirty, filthy, vulgar,
> > > > > > > crude, rude, obscene, lewd, pornographic, blue, raunchy, steamy, near
> > > > > > > the knuckle/bone, nudge-nudge, fruity, saucy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+improper
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Where can you buy an immoral clock?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nowhere, but there are a lot of places where I
> > > > > > can buy an unprofessional one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Does time exist if nothing is observing it????
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Have you ever observed time? What was its
> > > > > > colour?
> > > > > Time is what a clock says...
> > > >
> > > > Right. And a clock says - what you set it to.
> > > > Time comes from your imagination. You've
> > > > never observed it.
> > > i observed the clock.
> >
> > Sure.
> I observed the Time from the Sun...

It wasn't time, it was light.

Le 01/03/2023 à 21:04, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :

> Time should be universal, or it will be unusable.

On this, I agree, and even more agree than the relativists themselves.

Although I am more relativistic than them.

In my concepts of accelerated frames of reference, and against Paul and
Stan, I propose an equal passage of time for two objects starting from the
same place, and arriving at the same place at the same time (if the
spatial path is the same).

So yes, I formally maintain that the passage of time is covariant in all
frames of reference, even accelerated ones.

This does not mean that the traveling twins will be the same age.

No, one will be thirty years old (the one left on earth) and the other 18.

You mustn't make me say what I didn't say in an attempt to take over and
drown out one of the most beautiful theories in the history of mankind.

It would be stupid.

R.H.

On Wednesday, 1 March 2023 at 23:02:33 UTC+1, Richard Hachel wrote:
> Le 01/03/2023 à 21:04, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>
> > Time should be universal, or it will be unusable.
> On this, I agree, and even more agree than the relativists themselves.
>
> Although I am more relativistic than them.
>
> In my concepts of accelerated frames of reference, and against Paul and
> Stan, I propose an equal passage of time for two objects starting from the
> same place, and arriving at the same place at the same time (if the
> spatial path is the same).
>
> So yes, I formally maintain that the passage of time is covariant in all
> frames of reference, even accelerated ones.
>
> This does not mean that the traveling twins will be the same age.
>
> No, one will be thirty years old (the one left on earth) and the other 18..
>
> You mustn't make me say what I didn't say in an attempt to take over and
> drown out one of the most beautiful theories in the history of mankind.

Nobody cares how beautiful your symmetrical
nonsenses appear to you. The clocks will
show what we want, not what you want.

Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, 1 March 2023 at 21:18:11 UTC+1, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, 1 March 2023 at 19:47:19 UTC+1, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wednesday, 1 March 2023 at 07:36:53 UTC+1, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, 1 March 2023 at 01:01:49 UTC+1, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > As everybody knows, proper clocks measure
> > > > > > > > > Einstein's idiocies.
> > > > > > > > > But how about improper ones? Can they
> > > > > > > > > measure t'=t?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > See, poor halfbrains: you may scream of
> > > > > > > > > EXPERIMENTS!!! EVIDENCE!!! and alike,
> > > > > > > > > but the real basement of The Shit is your
> > > > > > > > > faith your violating common sense concepts
> > > > > > > > > are "proper" ones.
> > > > > > > > 'improper clocks' don't exist....
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > synonyms: inappropriate, unacceptable, unsuitable, unprofessional,
> > > > > > > > irregular, illegitimate, against the rules, unethical,
> > > > > > > > corrupt, immoral, dishonest, dishonorable, unscrupulous, crooked, not
> > > > > > > > cricket, indecent, risqué, off color, indelicate, suggestive,
> > > > > > > > naughty, ribald, earthy, Rabelaisian, smutty, dirty, filthy, vulgar,
> > > > > > > > crude, rude, obscene, lewd, pornographic, blue, raunchy, steamy, near
> > > > > > > > the knuckle/bone, nudge-nudge, fruity, saucy
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+improper
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Where can you buy an immoral clock?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nowhere, but there are a lot of places where I
> > > > > > > can buy an unprofessional one.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Does time exist if nothing is observing it????
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Have you ever observed time? What was its
> > > > > > > colour?
> > > > > > Time is what a clock says...
> > > > >
> > > > > Right. And a clock says - what you set it to.
> > > > > Time comes from your imagination. You've
> > > > > never observed it.
> > > > i observed the clock.
> > >
> > > Sure.
> > I observed the Time from the Sun...
>
> It wasn't time, it was light.

Lunch time it reads 12 O'Light, what light do you got? ...it might be
o'dark where you're at...

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
the unchallengeable.

M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand wrote:
> ... I propose an equal passage of time for two objects

This is a characteristic independent of the frame of reference
considered.

> starting from
> the same place, and arriving at the same place at the same time (if the
> spatial path is the same).

"spatial path is the same" is a property depending of the frame
of reference considered.

Hence you claim is ABSURD.

On Thursday, 2 March 2023 at 00:21:55 UTC+1, Python wrote:
> M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand wrote:
> > ... I propose an equal passage of time for two objects
>
> This is a characteristic independent of the frame of reference

Oh, stinker Python is opening its muzzle again,
and trying to pretend he knows something.
Tell me, poor stinker, what is your definition of
a "theory" in the terms of Peano arithmetic?
See: if a theorem is going to be a part of a theory,
it has to be formulable in the language of the
theory. Do you get it? Or are you too stupid even for
that, poor stinker?

Le 01/03/2023 à 23:15, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> Nobody cares how beautiful your symmetrical
> nonsenses appear to you. The clocks will
> show what we want, not what you want.

C'est leur problème.

R.H.

On Thursday, 2 March 2023 at 15:51:13 UTC+1, Richard Hachel wrote:
> Le 01/03/2023 à 23:15, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> > Nobody cares how beautiful your symmetrical
> > nonsenses appear to you. The clocks will
> > show what we want, not what you want.
> C'est leur problème.

No.
That the reality is not going to fit your
delusion should be your problem. But if
it's not you're free to live in your delusions.

Le 02/03/2023 à 00:21, Python a écrit :
>> ... I propose an equal passage of time for two objects
>
> This is a characteristic independent of the frame of reference
> considered.
>
> > starting from
>> the same place, and arriving at the same place at the same time (if the
>> spatial path is the same).
>
> "spatial path is the same" is a property depending of the frame
> of reference considered.
>
> Hence you claim is ABSURD.

But no!

I'm talking about the spatial path between two points A and B in a
straight line.

I propose to join A and B at the same time.

As much in the observing frame of reference as in the "proper" frame of
reference.

One chooses a uniformly accelerated movement, the other chooses a Galilean
movement of uniform speed.

I say that in the end all times will be equal.

Not the proper and improper times, stop your bullshit.

But the proper times between them, and the improper (observable) times
between them.

Please stop monkeying around.

R.H.

Le 02/03/2023 à 15:56, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> On Thursday, 2 March 2023 at 15:51:13 UTC+1, Richard Hachel wrote:
>> Le 01/03/2023 à 23:15, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>> > Nobody cares how beautiful your symmetrical
>> > nonsenses appear to you. The clocks will
>> > show what we want, not what you want.
>> C'est leur problème.
>
> No.
> That the reality is not going to fit your
> delusion should be your problem. But if
> it's not you're free to live in your delusions.

It's everyone's problem to say that I live in delusions.

Human freedom consisted in taking a step back.

But no: "We will take the fight to the horses".

R.H.

On Thursday, 2 March 2023 at 16:16:56 UTC+1, Richard Hachel wrote:
> Le 02/03/2023 à 15:56, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> > On Thursday, 2 March 2023 at 15:51:13 UTC+1, Richard Hachel wrote:
> >> Le 01/03/2023 à 23:15, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> >> > Nobody cares how beautiful your symmetrical
> >> > nonsenses appear to you. The clocks will
> >> > show what we want, not what you want.
> >> C'est leur problème.
> >
> > No.
> > That the reality is not going to fit your
> > delusion should be your problem. But if
> > it's not you're free to live in your delusions.
> It's everyone's problem to say that I live in delusions.

You're free to think so too.

On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 3:19:32 AM UTC-8, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> As everybody knows, proper clocks measure
> Einstein's idiocies.
> But how about improper ones? Can they
> measure t'=t?
>
> See, poor halfbrains: you may scream of
> EXPERIMENTS!!! EVIDENCE!!! and alike,
> but the real basement of The Shit is your
> faith your violating common sense concepts
> are "proper" ones.

If time doesn't exist what are you using a clock for?
Nothing can end time. Force or acceleration.
There is only finite slowdown for time not infinite.
Math can't bridge them in a right way.

On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 10:29:49 AM UTC-5, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> The greatest genius the world has ever known, and no
> one takes him seriously. I wonder why that could be.
>
[George Hammond MS Physics]
Na.... Cicero was smarter than Einstein.

On Friday, 3 March 2023 at 02:09:11 UTC+1, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 3:19:32 AM UTC-8, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > As everybody knows, proper clocks measure
> > Einstein's idiocies.
> > But how about improper ones? Can they
> > measure t'=t?
> >
> > See, poor halfbrains: you may scream of
> > EXPERIMENTS!!! EVIDENCE!!! and alike,
> > but the real basement of The Shit is your
> > faith your violating common sense concepts
> > are "proper" ones.
> If time doesn't exist what are you using a clock for?

Who said time doesn't exist?
And we're using clocks to generate it. Time is
a coordinate - poor Giant Guru was right about it,
and a clocks is a coordinate generator.

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 10:18:34 PM UTC-8, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Friday, 3 March 2023 at 02:09:11 UTC+1, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 3:19:32 AM UTC-8, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > > As everybody knows, proper clocks measure
> > > Einstein's idiocies.
> > > But how about improper ones? Can they
> > > measure t'=t?
> > >
> > > See, poor halfbrains: you may scream of
> > > EXPERIMENTS!!! EVIDENCE!!! and alike,
> > > but the real basement of The Shit is your
> > > faith your violating common sense concepts
> > > are "proper" ones.
> > If time doesn't exist what are you using a clock for?
> Who said time doesn't exist?
> And we're using clocks to generate it. Time is
> a coordinate - poor Giant Guru was right about it,
> and a clocks is a coordinate generator.

Light waves in time... what is its time coordinate?
Time can't be stopped by forces or acceleration.

Mitchell Raemsch

On Friday, 3 March 2023 at 18:45:20 UTC+1, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 10:18:34 PM UTC-8, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > On Friday, 3 March 2023 at 02:09:11 UTC+1, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 3:19:32 AM UTC-8, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > > > As everybody knows, proper clocks measure
> > > > Einstein's idiocies.
> > > > But how about improper ones? Can they
> > > > measure t'=t?
> > > >
> > > > See, poor halfbrains: you may scream of
> > > > EXPERIMENTS!!! EVIDENCE!!! and alike,
> > > > but the real basement of The Shit is your
> > > > faith your violating common sense concepts
> > > > are "proper" ones.
> > > If time doesn't exist what are you using a clock for?
> > Who said time doesn't exist?
> > And we're using clocks to generate it. Time is
> > a coordinate - poor Giant Guru was right about it,
> > and a clocks is a coordinate generator.
> Light waves in time... what is its time coordinate?

Any.