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* SimultaneityMaciej Wozniak
+* Re: SimultaneityRichard Hachel
|`* Re: SimultaneityMaciej Wozniak
| `- Re: SimultaneityDono.
+* Re: SimultaneityVolney
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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Mon, 6 Mar 2023 09:47 UTC

Two events are simultaneous when they have the same
TAI time coordinate. That's how things are in the
world we inhabit.
Your bunch of idiots can die hard protesting, it won't
change anything.

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From: r.hac...@tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Mon, 6 Mar 2023 11:45 UTC

Le 06/03/2023 à 10:47, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> Two events are simultaneous when they have the same
> TAI time coordinate. That's how things are in the
> world we inhabit.
> Your bunch of idiots can die hard protesting, it won't
> change anything.

You do not answer my objection and the experimental evidence supporting
it.

I remind you that the notion of simultaneity is not absolute, including in
the same frame of reference.

This is what I called spatial anisochrony.

Two separate benches in a school yard, two railway stations on a railway
axis, will never be able to agree on the notion of absolute simultaneity.

Each of the entities will always consider, in the best possibility of
synchronization, that the other watch lags behind it by a value of t=x/c

If the observers are moving, it's worse. Not only is the simultaneity
still not absolute, but the chronotropy is also different.

The hands of the watch observed "elsewhere" beat more slowly.

It's a pity that you can't understand that, and that you persist in doing
the crank.

I am caught in a double pincer movement, the cranks from below, the
relativists from above.

Both of them only understand what I try to explain to them with a theory
of rare conceptual beauty and rare experimental precision.

R.H.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Mon, 6 Mar 2023 11:58 UTC

On Monday, 6 March 2023 at 12:45:33 UTC+1, Richard Hachel wrote:
> Le 06/03/2023 à 10:47, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> > Two events are simultaneous when they have the same
> > TAI time coordinate. That's how things are in the
> > world we inhabit.
> > Your bunch of idiots can die hard protesting, it won't
> > change anything.
> You do not answer my objection and the experimental evidence supporting
> it.

I did. And I'm not going to do it anymore.
You're free to live in your delusions and we
will keep the clocks indicating t'=t.

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 by: Dono. - Mon, 6 Mar 2023 17:10 UTC

On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 3:58:24 AM UTC-8, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Monday, 6 March 2023 at 12:45:33 UTC+1, Richard Hachel wrote:
> > Le 06/03/2023 à 10:47, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> > > Two events are simultaneous when they have the same
> > > TAI time coordinate. That's how things are in the
> > > world we inhabit.
> > > Your bunch of idiots can die hard protesting, it won't
> > > change anything.
> > You do not answer my objection and the experimental evidence supporting
> > it.
> I did. And I'm not going to do it anymore.
> You're free to live in your delusions and we
> will keep the clocks indicating t'=t.
kookfight

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 by: Volney - Tue, 7 Mar 2023 06:31 UTC

On 3/6/2023 4:47 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> Two events are simultaneous when they have the same
> TAI time coordinate.

That works on earth, on or relatively near its surface and stationary or
moving slowly relative to it.

Relativistic speeds? Nope. Outside of earth's gravity well? Nope.

You have been huffing too much of that aerosol spray cleaner, janitor.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Tue, 7 Mar 2023 10:32 UTC

On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 07:31:14 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> On 3/6/2023 4:47 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > Two events are simultaneous when they have the same
> > TAI time coordinate.
> That works on earth, on or relatively near its surface and stationary or
> moving slowly relative to it.

Yeah. That works everywhere where real clocks
are, stupid Mike.

>
> Relativistic speeds? Nope. Outside of earth's gravity well? Nope.

I'm talking about the reality. Your gedanken
delusions are not interesting me.

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 by: Volney - Wed, 8 Mar 2023 07:15 UTC

On 3/7/2023 5:32 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 07:31:14 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
>> On 3/6/2023 4:47 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>> Two events are simultaneous when they have the same
>>> TAI time coordinate.
>> That works on earth, on or relatively near its surface and stationary or
>> moving slowly relative to it.
>
> Yeah. That works everywhere where real clocks
> are, stupid Mike.
>>
>> Relativistic speeds? Nope. Outside of earth's gravity well? Nope.
>
> I'm talking about the reality.

Particle accelerators aren't real? Space probes aren't real? Tom
Robert's km long pion beam isn't real? Cosmic muons aren't real?

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Wed, 8 Mar 2023 07:24 UTC

On Wednesday, 8 March 2023 at 08:15:34 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> On 3/7/2023 5:32 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 07:31:14 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> >> On 3/6/2023 4:47 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>> Two events are simultaneous when they have the same
> >>> TAI time coordinate.
> >> That works on earth, on or relatively near its surface and stationary or
> >> moving slowly relative to it.
> >
> > Yeah. That works everywhere where real clocks
> > are, stupid Mike.
> >>
> >> Relativistic speeds? Nope. Outside of earth's gravity well? Nope.
> >
> > I'm talking about the reality.
> Particle accelerators aren't real? Space probes aren't real?

Your infinite grids of standard rulers and clocks
aren't real, stupid Mike.

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 by: Volney - Wed, 8 Mar 2023 07:47 UTC

On 3/8/2023 2:24 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Wednesday, 8 March 2023 at 08:15:34 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
>> On 3/7/2023 5:32 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 07:31:14 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
>>>> On 3/6/2023 4:47 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>> Two events are simultaneous when they have the same
>>>>> TAI time coordinate.
>>>> That works on earth, on or relatively near its surface and stationary or
>>>> moving slowly relative to it.
>>>
>>> Yeah. That works everywhere where real clocks
>>> are, stupid Mike.
>>>>
>>>> Relativistic speeds? Nope. Outside of earth's gravity well? Nope.
>>>
>>> I'm talking about the reality.
>> Particle accelerators aren't real? Space probes aren't real?
>
> Your infinite grids of standard rulers and clocks
> aren't real, stupid Mike.

But are particle accelerators, space probes, Tom Robert's km long pion
beam or cosmic muons real?

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Wed, 8 Mar 2023 09:21 UTC

On Wednesday, 8 March 2023 at 08:47:05 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> On 3/8/2023 2:24 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 8 March 2023 at 08:15:34 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> >> On 3/7/2023 5:32 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 07:31:14 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> >>>> On 3/6/2023 4:47 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>> Two events are simultaneous when they have the same
> >>>>> TAI time coordinate.
> >>>> That works on earth, on or relatively near its surface and stationary or
> >>>> moving slowly relative to it.
> >>>
> >>> Yeah. That works everywhere where real clocks
> >>> are, stupid Mike.
> >>>>
> >>>> Relativistic speeds? Nope. Outside of earth's gravity well? Nope.
> >>>
> >>> I'm talking about the reality.
> >> Particle accelerators aren't real? Space probes aren't real?
> >
> > Your infinite grids of standard rulers and clocks
> > aren't real, stupid Mike.
> But are particle accelerators, space probes, Tom Robert's km long pion
> beam or cosmic muons real?

Yes. But are your infinite grids of "standard" rulers
and clocks real?

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 by: mitchr...@gmail.com - Wed, 8 Mar 2023 18:14 UTC

On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 1:21:38 AM UTC-8, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Wednesday, 8 March 2023 at 08:47:05 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> > On 3/8/2023 2:24 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, 8 March 2023 at 08:15:34 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> > >> On 3/7/2023 5:32 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > >>> On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 07:31:14 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> > >>>> On 3/6/2023 4:47 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > >>>>> Two events are simultaneous when they have the same
> > >>>>> TAI time coordinate.
> > >>>> That works on earth, on or relatively near its surface and stationary or
> > >>>> moving slowly relative to it.
> > >>>
> > >>> Yeah. That works everywhere where real clocks
> > >>> are, stupid Mike.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Relativistic speeds? Nope. Outside of earth's gravity well? Nope.
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm talking about the reality.
> > >> Particle accelerators aren't real? Space probes aren't real?

How do they see a particle then?
How would they see it move? by what light?
How would a subatomic energy leave a
detection? No.

> > >
> > > Your infinite grids of standard rulers and clocks
> > > aren't real, stupid Mike.
> > But are particle accelerators, space probes, Tom Robert's km long pion
> > beam or cosmic muons real?
> Yes. But are your infinite grids of "standard" rulers
> and clocks real?

If clocks are not real why do we use them?
Don't they measure time for man?

Mitchell Raemsch

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 by: mitchr...@gmail.com - Wed, 8 Mar 2023 18:16 UTC

On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 1:47:06 AM UTC-8, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> Two events are simultaneous when they have the same
> TAI time coordinate. That's how things are in the
> world we inhabit.
> Your bunch of idiots can die hard protesting, it won't
> change anything.

Universal simultaneity is where the whole universe
has its own now or common instant forever.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Wed, 8 Mar 2023 18:29 UTC

On Wednesday, 8 March 2023 at 19:16:38 UTC+1, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 1:47:06 AM UTC-8, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > Two events are simultaneous when they have the same
> > TAI time coordinate. That's how things are in the
> > world we inhabit.
> > Your bunch of idiots can die hard protesting, it won't
> > change anything.
> Universal simultaneity is where the whole universe
> has its own now or common instant forever.

The whole universe has nothing to do with it. We
have invented the concept and we use it for our
purposes.

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 by: Volney - Wed, 8 Mar 2023 19:05 UTC

On 3/8/2023 4:21 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Wednesday, 8 March 2023 at 08:47:05 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
>> On 3/8/2023 2:24 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, 8 March 2023 at 08:15:34 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
>>>> On 3/7/2023 5:32 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 07:31:14 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/6/2023 4:47 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>> Two events are simultaneous when they have the same
>>>>>>> TAI time coordinate.
>>>>>> That works on earth, on or relatively near its surface and stationary or
>>>>>> moving slowly relative to it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah. That works everywhere where real clocks
>>>>> are, stupid Mike.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Relativistic speeds? Nope. Outside of earth's gravity well? Nope.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm talking about the reality.
>>>> Particle accelerators aren't real? Space probes aren't real?
>>>
>>> Your infinite grids of standard rulers and clocks
>>> aren't real, stupid Mike.
>> But are particle accelerators, space probes, Tom Robert's km long pion
>> beam or cosmic muons real?
>
> Yes.

Good. You finally realize that there are situations where TAI time just
can't be used.

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 by: Bill Monti Pavoni - Wed, 8 Mar 2023 20:01 UTC

Volney wrote:

> On 3/8/2023 4:21 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote: Yes.
>
> Good. You finally realize that there are situations where TAI time just
> can't be used.

america, braindead *_terrorists_* and liars, proofs. NYT, *_propaganda_*
mazafaka, proofs:

The Danish Radio has debunked the new narrative - a danish sea officer has
said that the amount of explosives used, wouldn't fit on the yacht, and
the sea- and current around Bornholm would make it impossible for a yacht
to anker while divers were under water. The link in Danish...

Claims of Ukrainian link to *_Nord_Stream_* sabotage 'hypothetical' –
Germany
https:/%2f%72%74.com/news/572646-german-defense-minister-nord-stream/

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Volney wrote:

> On 3/8/2023 4:21 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote: Yes.
>
> Good. You finally realize that there are situations where TAI time just
> can't be used.

The Danish Radio has debunked the new narrative - a danish sea officer has
said that the amount of explosives used, wouldn't fit on the yacht, and
the sea- and current around Bornholm would make it impossible for a yacht
to anker while divers were under water.

Claims of Ukrainian link to *_Nord_Stream_* sabotage 'hypothetical' –
Germany
https://%72%74.com/news/572646-german-defense-minister-nord-stream/

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Wed, 8 Mar 2023 20:38 UTC

Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 3/8/2023 4:21 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 8 March 2023 at 08:47:05 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> >> On 3/8/2023 2:24 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, 8 March 2023 at 08:15:34 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> >>>> On 3/7/2023 5:32 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 07:31:14 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> >>>>>> On 3/6/2023 4:47 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>>>> Two events are simultaneous when they have the same
> >>>>>>> TAI time coordinate.
> >>>>>> That works on earth, on or relatively near its surface and
> >>>>>> stationary or moving slowly relative to it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yeah. That works everywhere where real clocks
> >>>>> are, stupid Mike.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Relativistic speeds? Nope. Outside of earth's gravity well? Nope.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm talking about the reality.
> >>>> Particle accelerators aren't real? Space probes aren't real?
> >>>
> >>> Your infinite grids of standard rulers and clocks
> >>> aren't real, stupid Mike.
> >> But are particle accelerators, space probes, Tom Robert's km long pion
> >> beam or cosmic muons real?
> >
> > Yes.
>
> Good. You finally realize that there are situations where TAI time just
> can't be used.

He never understood what TAI is to begin with.
Hence all the nonsense he spouts about it,

Jan

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Wed, 8 Mar 2023 20:42 UTC

On Wednesday, 8 March 2023 at 20:05:44 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> On 3/8/2023 4:21 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 8 March 2023 at 08:47:05 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> >> On 3/8/2023 2:24 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, 8 March 2023 at 08:15:34 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> >>>> On 3/7/2023 5:32 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 07:31:14 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> >>>>>> On 3/6/2023 4:47 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>>>> Two events are simultaneous when they have the same
> >>>>>>> TAI time coordinate.
> >>>>>> That works on earth, on or relatively near its surface and stationary or
> >>>>>> moving slowly relative to it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yeah. That works everywhere where real clocks
> >>>>> are, stupid Mike.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Relativistic speeds? Nope. Outside of earth's gravity well? Nope.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm talking about the reality.
> >>>> Particle accelerators aren't real? Space probes aren't real?
> >>>
> >>> Your infinite grids of standard rulers and clocks
> >>> aren't real, stupid Mike.
> >> But are particle accelerators, space probes, Tom Robert's km long pion
> >> beam or cosmic muons real?
> >
> > Yes.
> Good. You finally realize that there are situations where TAI time just
> can't be used.

Oh, sure, stupid Mike - your pions and muons
can never use it, as they're dumber even than
Tom Roberts or yourself.

So, are your infinite grids of "standard" rulers
and clocks real? Maybe you should finally realize
that there are situations where you can't use
them, for instance, any real situation?

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Wed, 8 Mar 2023 20:44 UTC

On Wednesday, 8 March 2023 at 21:38:53 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Volney <vol...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > On 3/8/2023 4:21 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, 8 March 2023 at 08:47:05 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> > >> On 3/8/2023 2:24 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > >>> On Wednesday, 8 March 2023 at 08:15:34 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> > >>>> On 3/7/2023 5:32 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > >>>>> On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 07:31:14 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> > >>>>>> On 3/6/2023 4:47 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Two events are simultaneous when they have the same
> > >>>>>>> TAI time coordinate.
> > >>>>>> That works on earth, on or relatively near its surface and
> > >>>>>> stationary or moving slowly relative to it.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Yeah. That works everywhere where real clocks
> > >>>>> are, stupid Mike.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Relativistic speeds? Nope. Outside of earth's gravity well? Nope.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I'm talking about the reality.
> > >>>> Particle accelerators aren't real? Space probes aren't real?
> > >>>
> > >>> Your infinite grids of standard rulers and clocks
> > >>> aren't real, stupid Mike.
> > >> But are particle accelerators, space probes, Tom Robert's km long pion
> > >> beam or cosmic muons real?
> > >
> > > Yes.
> >
> > Good. You finally realize that there are situations where TAI time just
> > can't be used.
> He never understood what TAI is to begin with.

If poor idiot Jan is baselessly asserting - it must be true.

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Volney wrote:

> On 3/8/2023 4:21 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 8 March 2023 at 08:47:05 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
>>> But are particle accelerators, space probes, Tom Robert's km long pion
>>> beam or cosmic muons real?
>>
>> Yes.
>
> Good. You finally realize that there are situations where TAI time just
> can't be used.

to be honest, seemingly that Michael Obama, the former *_first_lady_* of
the united states, has a large dick. Larger compared with the one I have.

however, I learned from older people, that there are two kind of dicks.
The *_meat_dick_* and the *_action_dick_*. I must be having the action
dick.

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 by: Tom Roberts - Thu, 9 Mar 2023 02:57 UTC

On 3/8/23 1:15 AM, Volney wrote:
> Particle accelerators aren't real? Space probes aren't real? Tom
> Robert's km long pion beam isn't real? Cosmic muons aren't real?

It's not "my" pion beam. There are/were two of them, one at Fermilab and
one at CERN, both over 1km long, transporting >90% of high-energy pions
(>100 GeV, IIRC). (I believe neither one is still in operation.)

Tom Roberts

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 by: Volney - Thu, 9 Mar 2023 07:01 UTC

On 3/8/2023 3:38 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 3/8/2023 4:21 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, 8 March 2023 at 08:47:05 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
>>>> On 3/8/2023 2:24 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, 8 March 2023 at 08:15:34 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/7/2023 5:32 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 07:31:14 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/6/2023 4:47 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Two events are simultaneous when they have the same
>>>>>>>>> TAI time coordinate.
>>>>>>>> That works on earth, on or relatively near its surface and
>>>>>>>> stationary or moving slowly relative to it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah. That works everywhere where real clocks
>>>>>>> are, stupid Mike.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Relativistic speeds? Nope. Outside of earth's gravity well? Nope.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm talking about the reality.
>>>>>> Particle accelerators aren't real? Space probes aren't real?
>>>>>
>>>>> Your infinite grids of standard rulers and clocks
>>>>> aren't real, stupid Mike.
>>>> But are particle accelerators, space probes, Tom Robert's km long pion
>>>> beam or cosmic muons real?
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>
>> Good. You finally realize that there are situations where TAI time just
>> can't be used.
>
> He never understood what TAI is to begin with.

Exactly.

> Hence all the nonsense he spouts about it,

He seems to have no clue about time in general or what relativity has to
say about it.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Thu, 9 Mar 2023 07:04 UTC

On Thursday, 9 March 2023 at 08:01:59 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> On 3/8/2023 3:38 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Volney <vol...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> On 3/8/2023 4:21 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, 8 March 2023 at 08:47:05 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> >>>> On 3/8/2023 2:24 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, 8 March 2023 at 08:15:34 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> >>>>>> On 3/7/2023 5:32 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 07:31:14 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 3/6/2023 4:47 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Two events are simultaneous when they have the same
> >>>>>>>>> TAI time coordinate.
> >>>>>>>> That works on earth, on or relatively near its surface and
> >>>>>>>> stationary or moving slowly relative to it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yeah. That works everywhere where real clocks
> >>>>>>> are, stupid Mike.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Relativistic speeds? Nope. Outside of earth's gravity well? Nope.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm talking about the reality.
> >>>>>> Particle accelerators aren't real? Space probes aren't real?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Your infinite grids of standard rulers and clocks
> >>>>> aren't real, stupid Mike.
> >>>> But are particle accelerators, space probes, Tom Robert's km long pion
> >>>> beam or cosmic muons real?
> >>>
> >>> Yes.
> >>
> >> Good. You finally realize that there are situations where TAI time just
> >> can't be used.
> >
> > He never understood what TAI is to begin with.
> Exactly.

And do you still believe that adjusting clocks to
your ISO idiocy means some "Newton mode"?
You're such an amazing idiot, stupid Mike,
even considering the relativistic standards.

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 by: Volney - Thu, 9 Mar 2023 07:06 UTC

On 3/8/2023 9:57 PM, Tom Roberts wrote:
> On 3/8/23 1:15 AM, Volney wrote:
>> Particle accelerators aren't real? Space probes aren't real? Tom
>> Robert's km long pion beam isn't real? Cosmic muons aren't real?
>
> It's not "my" pion beam. There are/were two of them, one at Fermilab and
> one at CERN, both over 1km long, transporting >90% of high-energy pions
> (>100 GeV, IIRC). (I believe neither one is still in operation.)

"Your" pion beam meaning the beam you frequently mention as something
which couldn't exist if SR was false, not meaning you own it.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Thu, 9 Mar 2023 07:12 UTC

On Thursday, 9 March 2023 at 08:07:00 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> On 3/8/2023 9:57 PM, Tom Roberts wrote:
> > On 3/8/23 1:15 AM, Volney wrote:
> >> Particle accelerators aren't real? Space probes aren't real? Tom
> >> Robert's km long pion beam isn't real? Cosmic muons aren't real?
> >
> > It's not "my" pion beam. There are/were two of them, one at Fermilab and
> > one at CERN, both over 1km long, transporting >90% of high-energy pions
> > (>100 GeV, IIRC). (I believe neither one is still in operation.)
> "Your" pion beam meaning the beam you frequently mention as something
> which couldn't exist if SR was false

Only such an idiot can believe such a nonsensical lie,
stupid Mike.

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