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by: John Larkin - Mon, 16 Jan 2023 20:00 UTC

On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 11:28:51 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 10:01:53 AM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
>
>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/in-california-a-drought-turned-to-floods-forecasters-didn-t-see-it-coming/ar-AA16n82L
>
>The loss of polar ice is probably destabilizing the familiar jet stream winds, like the
>events of 2010 (heat deaths in Moscow while Pakistan had unprecedented flooding).
>
>So, this is 'climate change' like we were warned of, and won't be a predictable thing until
>our knowledge of stratospheric winds gets better. Other than high-altitude balloons, how
>does one investigate those? Will there ever be a predictive capability for as long
>as a year?

Or three weeks?

>This is still within the 2 C envelope deemed 'manageable', so... we should
>expect more kinds of surprises in coming years.

There were lots of surprises in past years too.

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by: Cursitor Doom - Mon, 16 Jan 2023 23:34 UTC

On Sun, 15 Jan 2023 06:40:50 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 8:41:57 AM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 17:27:53 -0800, John Larkin
>> <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 23:17:50 +0000, Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 13:55:17 -0800, John Larkin
>> >><jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>We got a break between storms and everybody with cabin fever is out
>> >>>with dogs and kids and mud boots.
>> >>>
>> >>>https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hz3pmtrmy5u2h3j/AABuCb9jOATepKLZJvwjSZ_ta?dl=0
>> >>>
>> >>>This terrain here is hilly, typically a layer of dirt over rock.
>> >>>Non-native shallow-rooted trees, like the super tall eucalyptus, tend
>> >>>to fall over when it rains and gets windy.
>> >>>
>> >>>There are little slips and slides everywhere on steep slopes, and the
>> >>>occasional big one with boulders.
>> >>
>> >>So you're into landslips. Here you go:
>> >>
>> >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHPMW84Jxio
>> >
>> >I that any good? The special effects are, well, tacky.
>> It was a film made for children over 50 years ago, and fx were less
>> refined back then, plus there was no CGI. So not too bad under the
>> circs.
>
>No CGI necessary, look at real time footage from China, they have the record for all things massive natural disasters.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv9iEh2Y_kE
>
>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-landslide-xinmo-sichuan-province-people-feared-dead/
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGLqRT9PyyY
>
>..and raging floods like nowhere else, until lately with all the global warming related disasters.
>
>

Well, it's desperately unfortunate when these things happen. But if
they *have* to happen anywhere on earth, China's the best place. Look
on it as karma for Covid.

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by: Cursitor Doom - Mon, 16 Jan 2023 23:34 UTC

On Sun, 15 Jan 2023 06:40:50 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>No CGI necessary, look at real time footage from China, they have the record for all things massive natural disasters.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv9iEh2Y_kE
>
>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-landslide-xinmo-sichuan-province-people-feared-dead/
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGLqRT9PyyY
>
>..and raging floods like nowhere else, until lately with all the global warming related disasters.

Well, it's desperately unfortunate when these things happen. But if
they *have* to happen anywhere on earth, China's the best place. Look
on it as karma for Covid.

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by: bitrex - Mon, 16 Jan 2023 23:51 UTC

On 1/15/2023 5:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jan 2023 14:11:50 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>
>> On 1/14/2023 4:55 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>>
>>> We got a break between storms and everybody with cabin fever is out
>>> with dogs and kids and mud boots.
>>>
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hz3pmtrmy5u2h3j/AABuCb9jOATepKLZJvwjSZ_ta?dl=0
>>>
>>> This terrain here is hilly, typically a layer of dirt over rock.
>>> Non-native shallow-rooted trees, like the super tall eucalyptus, tend
>>> to fall over when it rains and gets windy.
>>>
>>> There are little slips and slides everywhere on steep slopes, and the
>>> occasional big one with boulders.
>>>
>>> Lots of houses have retaining walls so they can have a bit of garden.
>>> In the summer, the soil dries out and compacts. Then when the rains
>>> come, the dirt expands and pushes the walls over. It takes serious
>>> anchors to withstand the forces.
>>>
>>> Our seasonal stream, Islais Creek, is running. Class 0 whitewater.
>>>
>>> I'll add more pix as things get worse. Lots more storms are expected.
>>>
>>
>> California Dreamin' Hi-Standard cover:
>>
>> <https://youtu.be/iVm-pTiyC48>
>>
>> Oi! Oi! Oi!
>
> That's awful.
>

Not your genre, I guess..

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by: John Robertson - Tue, 17 Jan 2023 17:45 UTC

On 2023/01/14 6:39 p.m., Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 17:24:34 -0800, John Larkin
> <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 15:12:48 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
>> <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I ran across a commentary saying a lot of the recent rainfall could've been saved if
>>> more dams were in place. Some projects were stopped because of environmental concerns.
>>> Is there anything to that?
>
>> Yes, it's impossible to add reservoirs, and water is released for the
>> benefit of some ugly little fish, a smelt or something.
>
> Besides storing water, reservoirs also provide flood control. In many
> reservoirs, they are allowed to fill to 100% capacity, only to be
> intentionally drained to about 60% of capacity prior to the start of
> the rainy season to make room for runoff. This is called "drawdown".
> If the reservoirs were at full pool year round, flood control would be
> impossible. Another way to look at it is a reservoir that is used for
> flood control and starts out at 60% of capacity for flood control is
> only 60% efficient at storing drinking and agricultural water.
>

Filter Capacitors...

John ;-#)#

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by: Jeff Liebermann - Tue, 17 Jan 2023 19:32 UTC

On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 09:45:58 -0800, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com>
wrote:

>On 2023/01/14 6:39 p.m., Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 17:24:34 -0800, John Larkin
>> <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 15:12:48 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
>>> <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I ran across a commentary saying a lot of the recent rainfall could've been saved if
>>>> more dams were in place. Some projects were stopped because of environmental concerns.
>>>> Is there anything to that?
>>
>>> Yes, it's impossible to add reservoirs, and water is released for the
>>> benefit of some ugly little fish, a smelt or something.
>>
>> Besides storing water, reservoirs also provide flood control. In many
>> reservoirs, they are allowed to fill to 100% capacity, only to be
>> intentionally drained to about 60% of capacity prior to the start of
>> the rainy season to make room for runoff. This is called "drawdown".
>> If the reservoirs were at full pool year round, flood control would be
>> impossible. Another way to look at it is a reservoir that is used for
>> flood control and starts out at 60% of capacity for flood control is
>> only 60% efficient at storing drinking and agricultural water.
>>

>Filter Capacitors...
>John ;-#)#

Nope. You can recover stored energy from filter capacitors. However,
once 40% of the water in a reservoir is drained to provide flood
control reserve capacity, it's gone (unless there's another dam
downstream). Pumped water energy storage would work, except the
storage capacity of such energy storage systems are tiny compared to
the storage capacity of the major reservoirs.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumped-storage_hydroelectricity#Worldwide_use>

Locally in Santa Cruz County, we have the Loch Lomond reservoir with a
capacity of 2.8 billion gallons. Finding an ecologically correct
section of river or valley that can provide that much water storage is
not easy or cheap.

Incidentally, about half of the areas water comes from the Santa
Margarita aquifer.
<https://www.smgwa.org/media/GroundwaterSustainabilityPlan/0_S.Margarita_GSP_ExecSummary_FinalEdits_forBoardReview.pdf>
The aquifer was not being replenished by rain and surface water
sources to the point where salt water incursion had become a problem.
Since 1980, the ground water level has dropped 200ft resulting in the
formation of an agency to prevent further depletion:
<https://www.smgwa.org/SantaMargaritaBasin>
<https://slvpost.com/santa-margarita-groundwater-agency/>
and the construction of recharge basins. Building a bigger capacitor
is not going to work when the problems are an erratic source of power
(drought), excessive discharge rate and leaks.

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by: John Larkin - Thu, 19 Jan 2023 15:52 UTC

On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 13:55:17 -0800, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

>
>We got a break between storms and everybody with cabin fever is out
>with dogs and kids and mud boots.
>
>https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hz3pmtrmy5u2h3j/AABuCb9jOATepKLZJvwjSZ_ta?dl=0
>
>This terrain here is hilly, typically a layer of dirt over rock.
>Non-native shallow-rooted trees, like the super tall eucalyptus, tend
>to fall over when it rains and gets windy.
>
>There are little slips and slides everywhere on steep slopes, and the
>occasional big one with boulders.
>
>Lots of houses have retaining walls so they can have a bit of garden.
>In the summer, the soil dries out and compacts. Then when the rains
>come, the dirt expands and pushes the walls over. It takes serious
>anchors to withstand the forces.
>
>Our seasonal stream, Islais Creek, is running. Class 0 whitewater.
>
>I'll add more pix as things get worse. Lots more storms are expected.
>
>
>
>

It's all clear and sunny. No more storm porn pix.

A little sanity:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/after-pummeling-scientists-say-california-storms-were-more-hype-than-climate-change/ar-AA16wdJd

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by: Ed Lee - Thu, 19 Jan 2023 16:04 UTC

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 7:52:14 AM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 13:55:17 -0800, John Larkin
> <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >We got a break between storms and everybody with cabin fever is out
> >with dogs and kids and mud boots.
> >
> >https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hz3pmtrmy5u2h3j/AABuCb9jOATepKLZJvwjSZ_ta?dl=0
> >
> >This terrain here is hilly, typically a layer of dirt over rock.
> >Non-native shallow-rooted trees, like the super tall eucalyptus, tend
> >to fall over when it rains and gets windy.
> >
> >There are little slips and slides everywhere on steep slopes, and the
> >occasional big one with boulders.
> >
> >Lots of houses have retaining walls so they can have a bit of garden.
> >In the summer, the soil dries out and compacts. Then when the rains
> >come, the dirt expands and pushes the walls over. It takes serious
> >anchors to withstand the forces.
> >
> >Our seasonal stream, Islais Creek, is running. Class 0 whitewater.
> >
> >I'll add more pix as things get worse. Lots more storms are expected.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> It's all clear and sunny. No more storm porn pix.
>
> A little sanity:
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/after-pummeling-scientists-say-california-storms-were-more-hype-than-climate-change/ar-AA16wdJd

I got a few hundreds of the $1B damages, probably from flying bullets (rocks). Dented panel, headlight casing and small back window. Fortunately, not for the wind-shield.

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by: John Larkin - Thu, 19 Jan 2023 16:35 UTC

On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 08:04:37 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
<edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 7:52:14 AM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 13:55:17 -0800, John Larkin
>> <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >We got a break between storms and everybody with cabin fever is out
>> >with dogs and kids and mud boots.
>> >
>> >https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hz3pmtrmy5u2h3j/AABuCb9jOATepKLZJvwjSZ_ta?dl=0
>> >
>> >This terrain here is hilly, typically a layer of dirt over rock.
>> >Non-native shallow-rooted trees, like the super tall eucalyptus, tend
>> >to fall over when it rains and gets windy.
>> >
>> >There are little slips and slides everywhere on steep slopes, and the
>> >occasional big one with boulders.
>> >
>> >Lots of houses have retaining walls so they can have a bit of garden.
>> >In the summer, the soil dries out and compacts. Then when the rains
>> >come, the dirt expands and pushes the walls over. It takes serious
>> >anchors to withstand the forces.
>> >
>> >Our seasonal stream, Islais Creek, is running. Class 0 whitewater.
>> >
>> >I'll add more pix as things get worse. Lots more storms are expected.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> It's all clear and sunny. No more storm porn pix.
>>
>> A little sanity:
>>
>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/after-pummeling-scientists-say-california-storms-were-more-hype-than-climate-change/ar-AA16wdJd
>
>I got a few hundreds of the $1B damages, probably from flying bullets (rocks). Dented panel, headlight casing and small back window. Fortunately, not for the wind-shield.

Sounds like some high velocity gusts.

We have no damage at our house. We had a roof lake and front of house
waterfall, but that's fixed. And we finally located a decades-old
intermittent leak. Turns our that the combination of wind and rain
channels water into a badly designed chimney cap.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/co7nm5ken91avu5/Chimney_Cap_1.jpg?raw=1

The two caps in the background are better. There is so much bad design
around.

I guess I could fix it myself, but it's easier to let a pro do it.

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by: Ed Lee - Thu, 19 Jan 2023 16:44 UTC

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 8:35:38 AM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 08:04:37 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
> <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 7:52:14 AM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
> >> On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 13:55:17 -0800, John Larkin
> >> <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >We got a break between storms and everybody with cabin fever is out
> >> >with dogs and kids and mud boots.
> >> >
> >> >https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hz3pmtrmy5u2h3j/AABuCb9jOATepKLZJvwjSZ_ta?dl=0
> >> >
> >> >This terrain here is hilly, typically a layer of dirt over rock.
> >> >Non-native shallow-rooted trees, like the super tall eucalyptus, tend
> >> >to fall over when it rains and gets windy.
> >> >
> >> >There are little slips and slides everywhere on steep slopes, and the
> >> >occasional big one with boulders.
> >> >
> >> >Lots of houses have retaining walls so they can have a bit of garden.
> >> >In the summer, the soil dries out and compacts. Then when the rains
> >> >come, the dirt expands and pushes the walls over. It takes serious
> >> >anchors to withstand the forces.
> >> >
> >> >Our seasonal stream, Islais Creek, is running. Class 0 whitewater.
> >> >
> >> >I'll add more pix as things get worse. Lots more storms are expected.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> It's all clear and sunny. No more storm porn pix.
> >>
> >> A little sanity:
> >>
> >> https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/after-pummeling-scientists-say-california-storms-were-more-hype-than-climate-change/ar-AA16wdJd
> >
> >I got a few hundreds of the $1B damages, probably from flying bullets (rocks). Dented panel, headlight casing and small back window. Fortunately, not for the wind-shield.
> Sounds like some high velocity gusts.

Yes, probably weeks ago when the wind hits 40MPH. My side windows are (natural kind) bullet proof. I need wind-shield shield next time.

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California Drowning (on such a winters day)	John Larkin
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Re: California Drowning (on such a winters day)	John Larkin
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Re: California Drowning (on such a winters day)	John Robertson
Re: California Drowning (on such a winters day)	Jeff Liebermann
Re: California Drowning (on such a winters day)	Brooke Matt
Re: California Drowning (on such a winters day)	Cursitor Doom
Re: California Drowning (on such a winters day)	John Larkin
Re: California Drowning (on such a winters day)	Cursitor Doom
Re: California Drowning (on such a winters day)	Fred Bloggs
Re: California Drowning (on such a winters day)	John Larkin
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Re: California Drowning (on such a winters day)	Dimiter_Popoff
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Re: California Drowning (on such a winters day)	John Larkin
Re: California Drowning (on such a winters day)	John Larkin
Re: California Drowning (on such a winters day)	Ed Lee
Re: California Drowning (on such a winters day)	John Larkin
Re: California Drowning (on such a winters day)	Ed Lee