The missing Americans:
Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm

Summary:
A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.

Don't wanna be in America?

On 7/19/2023 12:43 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> The missing Americans:
> Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm
>
> Summary:
> A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
> could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
> In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
> to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.
>
> Don't wanna be in America?
Suicide, homicide, drug abuse/overdose, and traffic accidents are common
causes of death for Americans under 40.

Reasonably-priced healthcare and affordable housing is uncommon, but
guns, drugs, booze, and fast cars are relatively cheap and readily
available here.

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 12:45:21 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> The missing Americans:
> Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm
>
> Summary:
> A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
> could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
> In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
> to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.
>
> Don't wanna be in America?

Study is out of Boston University School of Public Health, isn't that convenient for them to point out the necessity of more public health funding...

How many early deaths due to weird venereal disease contracted by Americans during sex tourism vacations in Netherlands? There's some kind of drug resistant strain of gonorrhea going around there brought back to the U.S.

The statistics are more a reflection on the kinds of people living in the U..S. than infrastructure.

OMG! Look at this. The government should do something about it:

https://diabetesed.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Diabetes-Belt-CDC.pdf

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 1:16:20 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 2:45:21 PM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> > The missing Americans:
> > Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
> > https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm
> >
> > Summary:
> > A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
> > could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
> > In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
> > to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.
> >
> > Don't wanna be in America?
> It shows up in the life expectancy tables,
>
> https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/
>
> The US is 47th on the list at 79.74 years. The Netherlands is 24th at 82.58 years. Universal health care - which the US hasn't got - may have a lot to do with this.

If anything, judging by the performance of NHS in other 'advanced' countries, the absence of an NHS results in people living longer.

Canada and UK NHS are a complete joke! Americans won't put up with that kind of fiasco for five minutes.

Scandinavians lie about everything, including their phony government statistics, as do all the socialist countries.

https://www.economist.com/britain/2022/04/30/the-nhs-is-in-seriously-poor-shape

British are notorious for making wastelands of their bureaucracies, it doesn't work for them.

>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spirit_Level_(book)
>
> did point out that very high levels of income inequality - and the US is uniquely bad for an advanced industrial country - correlated strongly with shorter lives. The poor have even shorter lives than the rich, but lots of sick poor people presumably infect their rich neighbours.
>
> --
> Bill Sloman, Sydney

On 19/07/2023 13:45, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 1:16:20 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 2:45:21 PM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> The missing Americans:
>>> Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm
>>>
>>> Summary:
>>> A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
>>> could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
>>> In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
>>> to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.
>>>
>>> Don't wanna be in America?
>> It shows up in the life expectancy tables,
>>
>> https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/
>>
>> The US is 47th on the list at 79.74 years. The Netherlands is 24th at 82.58 years. Universal health care - which the US hasn't got - may have a lot to do with this.
>
>
> If anything, judging by the performance of NHS in other 'advanced' countries, the absence of an NHS results in people living longer.
>
> Canada and UK NHS are a complete joke! Americans won't put up with that kind of fiasco for five minutes.

Spoken like a true ignorant American. US style healthcare is bimodal.

Brilliant if you can afford to pay for it but ~2x more expensive to
deliver than in any comparable first world country (like Japan, Germany
or Belgium for instance). Too many US middlemen dipping into the funds.

Terrible to non-existent if you cannot afford to pay for it.
Pretty much like being in the third world for them.

> Scandinavians lie about everything, including their phony government statistics, as do all the socialist countries.
>
> https://www.economist.com/britain/2022/04/30/the-nhs-is-in-seriously-poor-shape

They make a good point about the mismatch between the timescales of
politicians thinking (< 5years) and the time to train a professional
medic 7 years or a GP 10 years. Lack of investment means not enough
trained doctors and the best ones once fully qualified now get poached
by other countries that can offer them a much better work life balance!
>
> British are notorious for making wastelands of their bureaucracies, it doesn't work for them.

Actually what has screwed the UK NHS up is trying to emulate the US
style only get decent healthcare if you can afford to pay for it model.
It is most advanced in dentistry where it is virtually impossible now
for anyone who is poor to find an NHS dentist willing to take them on!

The Tory government have systematically run down and under invested in
the NHS and health services for decades - politicians all have private
health insurance so why should they care about the rest of us?

I used to have PHI when I was permanently employed although I never used
it. The only time I was injured it was the NHS that looked after me.

--
Martin Brown

On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jul 2023 05:34:08 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
<41af6f7b-0d9a-414f-a92b-18a97aad27a1n@googlegroups.com>:

>On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 12:45:21 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wro=
>te:
>> The missing Americans:
>> Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm
>>
>> Summary:
>> A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- includ=
>ing many young and working-age adults --
>> could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nation=
>s.
>> In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States =
>if the US had mortality rates similar
>> to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.
>>
>> Don't wanna be in America?
>
>Study is out of Boston University School of Public Health, isn't that conve=
>nient for them to point out the necessity of more public health funding...

That does not change the fact that:
Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm

I was thinking gun violence, mass shootings..., homelessness, stupidity,
crime, gangs... radiation from nuke tests, oil well pollution, fracking..
imploding infrastructure, failed sex change operations on kids :-),
you name it US has it.
Some jokers were selling this against covid:
https://arstechnica.com/health/2023/07/church-of-bleach-family-goes-to-trial-representing-themselves-in-court/
And suicides by army personnel, fatal drug use from subscribed opiods to fentanyl see:
https://www.addictioncenter.com/news/2019/08/15-most-dangerous-drugs/

>How many early deaths due to weird venereal disease contracted by Americans=
> during sex tourism vacations in Netherlands? There's some kind of drug res=
>istant strain of gonorrhea going around there brought back to the U.S.

Never heard of that, but covid for sure was designed by Faulty in the US, put in a Chinese lab to tackle their economy
but back-fired in a big way. Like HIV.
Drinking water is polluted too in many places in the US, as are some genetically manipulated agricultural products
Miracle still anybody is alive there, but wait, after the coming nuculear exchange that may change

>The statistics are more a reflection on the kinds of people living in the U.S. than infrastructure.
>
>OMG! Look at this. The government should do something about it:
>
>https://diabetesed.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Diabetes-Belt-CDC.pdf

Yea cola soft drinks some with dangerous sweeteners all day,
etc etc..

On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 04:43:45 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

>The missing Americans:
> Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm
>
>Summary:
> A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
> could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
> In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
> to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.
>
>Don't wanna be in America?

We have millions of "undocumented" immigrants, often working under the
table, without decent living conditions or health benefits. Farm
workers, construction, cooks, house cleaners, dangerous things that
don't need much education or English skills. [1]

We have a drug epidemic, from fentanyl manufactured by Mexican crime
cartels from Chinese chemical feedstocks. The CCP does this
deliberately.

We have high mortality in a couple of specific sub-populations that
the Netherlands doesn't have.

We have a edgier, more risk-seeking population than Europe. Over the
last few hundred years, the wilder parts of the european population
has immigrated to the USA. We lead in Nobel Prizes and wing-suit
deaths.

I think the USA is beautiful and wonderful, a cool mix of languages
and cultures and foods and colors and terrains. And the best place to
design electronics. It's the Wild West. I just had a great talk with a
asian cabin-guest lady about melanin [2] and metabolizing lactose and
alcohol. She's a PA in the US Navy, on assignment with the Marines.

[1] There's a Mexican crew working in our neighborhood doing fairly
dangerous construction. They come by late every day for a free beer.
They are fearless about heights and work 7 days a week for $75 per
hour.

Some immigrant house cleaners around here charge $300 a day.

[2] She has lots, I don't seem to have any. A new psychological
disorder in the US is called "Melanin Envy."

https://www.amazon.com/Melanin-Envy-African-Skintone-Culture/dp/B08LV22LNC

On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 05:34:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 12:45:21?AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> The missing Americans:
>> Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm
>>
>> Summary:
>> A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
>> could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
>> In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
>> to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.
>>
>> Don't wanna be in America?
>
>Study is out of Boston University School of Public Health, isn't that convenient for them to point out the necessity of more public health funding...
>
>How many early deaths due to weird venereal disease contracted by Americans during sex tourism vacations in Netherlands? There's some kind of drug resistant strain of gonorrhea going around there brought back to the U.S.
>
>The statistics are more a reflection on the kinds of people living in the U.S. than infrastructure.
>
>OMG! Look at this. The government should do something about it:
>
>https://diabetesed.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Diabetes-Belt-CDC.pdf

I think that some sub-populations, specifically African and Pacific
Islander, are not metabolically equipped to handle the American diet
rich in meats and fats and sugar and dairy products. That stuff tastes
good but is poison to populations that evolved without much burgers or
beer or ice cream.

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:27:35 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:45:50 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 1:16:20 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 2:45:21 PM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> > > > The missing Americans:
> > > > Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
> > > > https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm
> > > >
> > > > Summary:
> > > > A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
> > > > could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
> > > > In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
> > > > to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.
> > > >
> > > > Don't wanna be in America?
> > > It shows up in the life expectancy tables,
> > >
> > > https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/
> > >
> > > The US is 47th on the list at 79.74 years. The Netherlands is 24th at 82.58 years. Universal health care - which the US hasn't got - may have a lot to do with this.
> > If anything, judging by the performance of NHS in other 'advanced' countries, the absence of an NHS results in people living longer.
> >
> > Canada and UK NHS are a complete joke! Americans won't put up with that kind of fiasco for five minutes.
> >
> > Scandinavians lie about everything, including their phony government statistics, as do all the socialist countries.
> It's pretty hard to lie about life expectancies.
> > https://www.economist.com/britain/2022/04/30/the-nhs-is-in-seriously-poor-shape
> >
> > British are notorious for making wastelands of their bureaucracies, it doesn't work for them.
> The UK is the 30tht on the international life expectancy list with 82.31 year. The NHS is cost effective and a bit Spartan but it does the job.
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spirit_Level_(book)
> > >
> > > did point out that very high levels of income inequality - and the US is uniquely bad for an advanced industrial country - correlated strongly with shorter lives. The poor have even shorter lives than the rich, but lots of sick poor people presumably infect their rich neighbours.

It's quite clear by now that you mindlessly believe and absorb any kind of statistical minutiae with a government imprimatur on it.

>
> --
> Bill Sloman, Sydney

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:02:19 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 05:34:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 12:45:21?AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> >> The missing Americans:
> >> Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
> >> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm
> >>
> >> Summary:
> >> A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
> >> could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
> >> In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
> >> to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.
> >>
> >> Don't wanna be in America?
> >
> >Study is out of Boston University School of Public Health, isn't that convenient for them to point out the necessity of more public health funding....
> >
> >How many early deaths due to weird venereal disease contracted by Americans during sex tourism vacations in Netherlands? There's some kind of drug resistant strain of gonorrhea going around there brought back to the U.S.
> >
> >The statistics are more a reflection on the kinds of people living in the U.S. than infrastructure.
> >
> >OMG! Look at this. The government should do something about it:
> >
> >https://diabetesed.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Diabetes-Belt-CDC.pdf
> I think that some sub-populations, specifically African and Pacific
> Islander, are not metabolically equipped to handle the American diet
> rich in meats and fats and sugar and dairy products. That stuff tastes
> good but is poison to populations that evolved without much burgers or
> beer or ice cream.

Pacific Islanders eat lots of pork. Their BBQ outings usually have a whole pig with a rod run clear through it being roasted over a fire.

Eating a lot of high fructose fruits does them in. The diet is good up to the point they develop fatty liver disease.

American fast food ruins a lot of south/ central Americans. It's not genetics so much as mental, they like it and don't stop eating it.

On 7/18/23 9:43 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> The missing Americans:
> Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm
>
> Summary:
> A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
> could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
> In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
> to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.
>

Much of the reasons can be summed up in very few words: Fast food, not
much sports, plenty of audio-visual entertainment, too much drug use. A
sedentary lifestyle.

There is almost a two-tier society here when it comes to health.

On one side those that are more of less couch potatoes, generally rather
overweight. These folks develop ailments such as high cholesterol
levels, diabetes, almost mortal obesity, cardiac events and such quite
early in life. Usually before retirement.

The other tier are those who could be considered fitness buffs. I
regularly meet them at the gym, on my road bike, on mountain bike trails
or walking their dogs in the morning at a pretty fast clip. Rain or
shine, and that's one of the differences, the motivation. Those are the
people you see hammering up a rocky and steep singletrack at age 80,
having a blast.

> Don't wanna be in America?
>

I am a EU -> US transplant and I'd never move back. So yeah, I wanna be
in America. Always wanted to.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 3:57:04 PM UTC+1, John Larkin wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 04:43:45 GMT, Jan Panteltje <al...@comet.invalid>
> wrote:
> >The missing Americans:
> > Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
> > https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm
> >
> >Summary:
> > A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
> > could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
> > In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
> > to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.
> >
> >Don't wanna be in America?
> We have millions of "undocumented" immigrants, often working under the
> table, without decent living conditions or health benefits. Farm
> workers, construction, cooks, house cleaners, dangerous things that
> don't need much education or English skills. [1]
>
> We have a drug epidemic, from fentanyl manufactured by Mexican crime
> cartels from Chinese chemical feedstocks. The CCP does this
> deliberately.
>
> We have high mortality in a couple of specific sub-populations that
> the Netherlands doesn't have.
>
> We have a edgier, more risk-seeking population than Europe. Over the
> last few hundred years, the wilder parts of the european population
> has immigrated to the USA. We lead in Nobel Prizes and wing-suit
> deaths.

Sweden, Switzerland and Scotland have in the region of 33 laureates per
10 million, about three times that of the USA.

> I think the USA is beautiful and wonderful, a cool mix of languages
> and cultures and foods and colors and terrains. And the best place to
> design electronics. It's the Wild West. I just had a great talk with a
> asian cabin-guest lady about melanin [2] and metabolizing lactose and
> alcohol. She's a PA in the US Navy, on assignment with the Marines.
>
> [1] There's a Mexican crew working in our neighborhood doing fairly
> dangerous construction. They come by late every day for a free beer.
> They are fearless about heights and work 7 days a week for $75 per
> hour.
>
> Some immigrant house cleaners around here charge $300 a day.
>
> [2] She has lots, I don't seem to have any. A new psychological
> disorder in the US is called "Melanin Envy."
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Melanin-Envy-African-Skintone-Culture/dp/B08LV22LNC

On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jul 2023 07:56:49 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
<uqsfbi9ld5sosip9lc9gsfh6uj2j8cmocp@4ax.com>:

>On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 04:43:45 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>The missing Americans:
>> Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm
>>
>>Summary:
>> A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
>> could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
>> In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
>> to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.
>>
>>Don't wanna be in America?
>
>We have millions of "undocumented" immigrants, often working under the
>table, without decent living conditions or health benefits. Farm
>workers, construction, cooks, house cleaners, dangerous things that
>don't need much education or English skills. [1]
>
>We have a drug epidemic, from fentanyl manufactured by Mexican crime
>cartels from Chinese chemical feedstocks. The CCP does this
>deliberately.
>
>We have high mortality in a couple of specific sub-populations that
>the Netherlands doesn't have.
>
>We have a edgier, more risk-seeking population than Europe. Over the
>last few hundred years, the wilder parts of the european population
>has immigrated to the USA. We lead in Nobel Prizes and wing-suit
>deaths.
>
>I think the USA is beautiful and wonderful, a cool mix of languages
>and cultures and foods and colors and terrains. And the best place to
>design electronics. It's the Wild West. I just had a great talk with a
>asian cabin-guest lady about melanin [2] and metabolizing lactose and
>alcohol. She's a PA in the US Navy, on assignment with the Marines.
>
>[1] There's a Mexican crew working in our neighborhood doing fairly
>dangerous construction. They come by late every day for a free beer.
>They are fearless about heights and work 7 days a week for $75 per
>hour.

$75 per hour is not bad ..
75 * 40 * 52 = 156,000 per year
for a 40 hours work week
365 * 8 * 75 = 219,000
work into the evening:
365 * 12 * 75 = 328,500
No wonder they all want to cross the southern border into the US...

>Some immigrant house cleaners around here charge $300 a day.

Do they pay income tax?

>[2] She has lots, I don't seem to have any. A new psychological
>disorder in the US is called "Melanin Envy."
>
>https://www.amazon.com/Melanin-Envy-African-Skintone-Culture/dp/B08LV22LNC

I am white...
I do have a black coat for on motor-cycle.
And a black umbrella!

But then on subject:
Report highlights public health impact of serious harms from diagnostic error in US
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717180010.htm
estimated 795,000 Americans die or are permanently disabled by diagnostic error each year

On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:16:16 -0700) it happened Joerg
<news@analogconsultants.com> wrote in <khr252F3kvvU1@mid.individual.net>:

>On 7/18/23 9:43 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> The missing Americans:
>> Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm
>>
>> Summary:
>> A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
>> could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
>> In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
>> to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.
>>
>
>Much of the reasons can be summed up in very few words: Fast food, not
>much sports, plenty of audio-visual entertainment, too much drug use. A
>sedentary lifestyle.
>
>There is almost a two-tier society here when it comes to health.
>
>On one side those that are more of less couch potatoes, generally rather
>overweight. These folks develop ailments such as high cholesterol
>levels, diabetes, almost mortal obesity, cardiac events and such quite
>early in life. Usually before retirement.

Could be genetics, inherited from parents etc...

>The other tier are those who could be considered fitness buffs. I
>regularly meet them at the gym, on my road bike, on mountain bike trails
>or walking their dogs in the morning at a pretty fast clip. Rain or
>shine, and that's one of the differences, the motivation. Those are the
>people you see hammering up a rocky and steep singletrack at age 80,
>having a blast.

Well I did some sport in my kid days, my father wanted me to join a club
that did long marches on a regular basis, so walking, you got a medal
if you made it.. I had a box full, never cared much about it
but was more fascinated about all the places we went.
We had sports at school, hokey, some soccer, swimming was required,
I liked to play billiards and some snooker..
biking I did a lot as a kid,..

I see a lot of older people here walking with a stick, slowly,
I am lucky, still running around like when I was 20..
Biking a lot..

>> Don't wanna be in America?
>>
>
>I am a EU -> US transplant and I'd never move back. So yeah, I wanna be
>in America. Always wanted to.

I dunno, sometimes I would like to see Miami again, but now with climate change it seems to be coming towards me :-)

On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 06:51:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

>On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jul 2023 07:56:49 -0700) it happened John Larkin
><jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
><uqsfbi9ld5sosip9lc9gsfh6uj2j8cmocp@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 04:43:45 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>The missing Americans:
>>> Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm
>>>
>>>Summary:
>>> A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
>>> could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
>>> In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
>>> to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.
>>>
>>>Don't wanna be in America?
>>
>>We have millions of "undocumented" immigrants, often working under the
>>table, without decent living conditions or health benefits. Farm
>>workers, construction, cooks, house cleaners, dangerous things that
>>don't need much education or English skills. [1]
>>
>>We have a drug epidemic, from fentanyl manufactured by Mexican crime
>>cartels from Chinese chemical feedstocks. The CCP does this
>>deliberately.
>>
>>We have high mortality in a couple of specific sub-populations that
>>the Netherlands doesn't have.
>>
>>We have a edgier, more risk-seeking population than Europe. Over the
>>last few hundred years, the wilder parts of the european population
>>has immigrated to the USA. We lead in Nobel Prizes and wing-suit
>>deaths.
>>
>>I think the USA is beautiful and wonderful, a cool mix of languages
>>and cultures and foods and colors and terrains. And the best place to
>>design electronics. It's the Wild West. I just had a great talk with a
>>asian cabin-guest lady about melanin [2] and metabolizing lactose and
>>alcohol. She's a PA in the US Navy, on assignment with the Marines.
>>
>>[1] There's a Mexican crew working in our neighborhood doing fairly
>>dangerous construction. They come by late every day for a free beer.
>>They are fearless about heights and work 7 days a week for $75 per
>>hour.
>
>$75 per hour is not bad ..
> 75 * 40 * 52 = 156,000 per year
>for a 40 hours work week
> 365 * 8 * 75 = 219,000
>work into the evening:
> 365 * 12 * 75 = 328,500
>No wonder they all want to cross the southern border into the US...
>
>
>>Some immigrant house cleaners around here charge $300 a day.
>
>Do they pay income tax?
>
>
>>[2] She has lots, I don't seem to have any. A new psychological
>>disorder in the US is called "Melanin Envy."
>>
>>https://www.amazon.com/Melanin-Envy-African-Skintone-Culture/dp/B08LV22LNC
>
>I am white...
>I do have a black coat for on motor-cycle.
>And a black umbrella!
>
>But then on subject:
> Report highlights public health impact of serious harms from diagnostic error in US
> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717180010.htm
> estimated 795,000 Americans die or are permanently disabled by diagnostic error each year

As James Arthur said, "Treat your doctor like an employee."

I was recently diagnosed with macular degeneration, which was
upsetting until it was proven wrong.

I was also diagnosed with incurable, hereditary psoriasis, when I was
just allergic to some shampoo. Read the labels: some of those things
have 20 ingredients.

On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:16:16 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
wrote:

>On 7/18/23 9:43 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> The missing Americans:
>> Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm
>>
>> Summary:
>> A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
>> could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
>> In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
>> to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.
>>
>
>Much of the reasons can be summed up in very few words: Fast food, not
>much sports, plenty of audio-visual entertainment, too much drug use. A
>sedentary lifestyle.
>
>There is almost a two-tier society here when it comes to health.

We have an enormous geographic and ethnic diversity, including
millions of legal and illegal immigrants. The US is the crossroads of
the world and inherits the problems of the world. Ocean to ocean,
arctic circle to Mexico.

Paris has had some difficulty lately. Actually, the USA does pretty
well absorbing immigrants. We don't have giant single-language
enclaves or police keepout zones.

Everybody is dating everybody. Some of the inter-racial kids are
shockingly beautiful.

San Francisco is barely 50% "white alone." It's cool having all these
colors and languages and foods, but it sometimes creates issues.

Get used to it. The world is on the move.

>
>On one side those that are more of less couch potatoes, generally rather
>overweight. These folks develop ailments such as high cholesterol
>levels, diabetes, almost mortal obesity, cardiac events and such quite
>early in life. Usually before retirement.
>
>The other tier are those who could be considered fitness buffs. I
>regularly meet them at the gym, on my road bike, on mountain bike trails
>or walking their dogs in the morning at a pretty fast clip. Rain or
>shine, and that's one of the differences, the motivation. Those are the
>people you see hammering up a rocky and steep singletrack at age 80,
>having a blast.
>
>
>> Don't wanna be in America?
>>
>
>I am a EU -> US transplant and I'd never move back. So yeah, I wanna be
>in America. Always wanted to.

We are so lucky to be here.

On a sunny day (Thu, 20 Jul 2023 06:59:02 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
<82fibi58s317ot1mj5m65kn7vgbtus8k22@4ax.com>:

>On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 06:51:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jul 2023 07:56:49 -0700) it happened John Larkin
>><jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
>><uqsfbi9ld5sosip9lc9gsfh6uj2j8cmocp@4ax.com>:
>>
>>>On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 04:43:45 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>The missing Americans:
>>>> Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
>>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm
>>>>
>>>>Summary:
>>>> A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
>>>> could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
>>>> In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
>>>> to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.
>>>>
>>>>Don't wanna be in America?
>>>
>>>We have millions of "undocumented" immigrants, often working under the
>>>table, without decent living conditions or health benefits. Farm
>>>workers, construction, cooks, house cleaners, dangerous things that
>>>don't need much education or English skills. [1]
>>>
>>>We have a drug epidemic, from fentanyl manufactured by Mexican crime
>>>cartels from Chinese chemical feedstocks. The CCP does this
>>>deliberately.
>>>
>>>We have high mortality in a couple of specific sub-populations that
>>>the Netherlands doesn't have.
>>>
>>>We have a edgier, more risk-seeking population than Europe. Over the
>>>last few hundred years, the wilder parts of the european population
>>>has immigrated to the USA. We lead in Nobel Prizes and wing-suit
>>>deaths.
>>>
>>>I think the USA is beautiful and wonderful, a cool mix of languages
>>>and cultures and foods and colors and terrains. And the best place to
>>>design electronics. It's the Wild West. I just had a great talk with a
>>>asian cabin-guest lady about melanin [2] and metabolizing lactose and
>>>alcohol. She's a PA in the US Navy, on assignment with the Marines.
>>>
>>>[1] There's a Mexican crew working in our neighborhood doing fairly
>>>dangerous construction. They come by late every day for a free beer.
>>>They are fearless about heights and work 7 days a week for $75 per
>>>hour.
>>
>>$75 per hour is not bad ..
>> 75 * 40 * 52 = 156,000 per year
>>for a 40 hours work week
>> 365 * 8 * 75 = 219,000
>>work into the evening:
>> 365 * 12 * 75 = 328,500
>>No wonder they all want to cross the southern border into the US...
>>
>>
>>>Some immigrant house cleaners around here charge $300 a day.
>>
>>Do they pay income tax?
>>
>>
>>>[2] She has lots, I don't seem to have any. A new psychological
>>>disorder in the US is called "Melanin Envy."
>>>
>>>https://www.amazon.com/Melanin-Envy-African-Skintone-Culture/dp/B08LV22LNC
>>
>>I am white...
>>I do have a black coat for on motor-cycle.
>>And a black umbrella!
>>
>>But then on subject:
>> Report highlights public health impact of serious harms from diagnostic error in US
>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717180010.htm
>> estimated 795,000 Americans die or are permanently disabled by diagnostic error each year
>
>As James Arthur said, "Treat your doctor like an employee."
>
>I was recently diagnosed with macular degeneration, which was
>upsetting until it was proven wrong.
>
>I was also diagnosed with incurable, hereditary psoriasis, when I was
>just allergic to some shampoo. Read the labels: some of those things
>have 20 ingredients.

As a kid, in high school they tested my eyes.
Some optician .. he then subscribed some glasses as 'one of my eyes was not good'.
I could not wear those as it distorted everything I did see and did not dare wear those on my bike.
So parents 'why do you not wear those glasses?'
It pissed me off, back then I wanted to be a pilot and was told my eyes were not good enough..
I refused, they then took me to some professor,
he did an eye test and checked the glasses.. 'totally wrong' he said.
Then 'you do not have to wear glasses at all'.
Only when I was retired I started using reading glasses from the drugstore to solder very small SMDs.
And to read very small fonts, but never when driving.

I never became a pilot, electronics had me.
If I had been a pilot who knows what would have happened...

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:42:46 PM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 2:13:29 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:02:19 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> > > On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 05:34:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> > > <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 12:45:21?AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> > > >> The missing Americans:
> > > >> Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
> > > >> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm
> > > >>
> > > >> Summary:
> > > >> A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
> > > >> could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
> > > >> In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
> > > >> to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.
> > > >>
> > > >> Don't wanna be in America?
> > > >
> > > >Study is out of Boston University School of Public Health, isn't that convenient for them to point out the necessity of more public health funding...
> > > >
> > > >How many early deaths due to weird venereal disease contracted by Americans during sex tourism vacations in Netherlands? There's some kind of drug resistant strain of gonorrhea going around there brought back to the U.S.
> > > >
> > > >The statistics are more a reflection on the kinds of people living in the U.S. than infrastructure.
> > > >
> > > >OMG! Look at this. The government should do something about it:
> > > >
> > > >https://diabetesed.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Diabetes-Belt-CDC.pdf
> > >
> > > I think that some sub-populations, specifically African and Pacific Islander, are not metabolically equipped to handle the American diet rich in meats and fats and sugar and dairy products. That stuff tastes good but is poison to populations that evolved without much burgers or beer or ice cream.
> It doesn't do American much good either. The fast food industry has developed dishes that people like eating and keep on liking to eat long after they've eaten enough to satisfy the demands of their metabolism. America has an obesity epidemic. and that strikes me as the only plausible explanation.
> > Pacific Islanders eat lots of pork. Their BBQ outings usually have a whole pig with a rod run clear through it being roasted over a fire.
> >
> > Eating a lot of high fructose fruits does them in. The diet is good up to the point they develop fatty liver disease.
> So how come they don't die of it on their Pacific Islands?

They die of an indirect consequence of the diseased liver before complete liver failure does them in. CVD is very common there.

"Cardiovascular diseases (CVDs) – or diseases of the heart and blood vessels – are responsible for a third of death in the Philippines.. According to the Philippine Statistics Office (PSA), CVDs are part of the larger group of noncommunicable diseases (NCDs), which account for 72% of deaths in the country in 2021." [Of course that is not all FLD related. They heavily salt their food.]

https://www.who.int/philippines/news/detail/30-09-2022-doh-who-rtsl-whf-commit-strengthen-collaboration-cardiovascular-diseases-prevention

"Early-stage NAFLD [Non-Alcoholic FLD] doesn't usually cause any harm, but it can lead to serious liver damage, including cirrhosis, if it gets worse. Having high levels of fat in your liver is also associated with an increased risk of problems such as diabetes, heart attacks and strokes."

The liver is charged with so many vital functions, it's quite astounding. Impair its ability to perform, and you have problems.

https://www.nhsinform.scot/illnesses-and-conditions/stomach-liver-and-gastrointestinal-tract/non-alcoholic-fatty-liver-disease-nafld

> > American fast food ruins a lot of south/ central Americans. It's not genetics so much as mental, they like it and don't stop eating it.
> Fast food is designed to be excessively attractive to all humans. It's a technological overkill.
>
> --
> Bill Sloman, Sydney

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:34:47 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jul 2023 05:34:08 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
> <41af6f7b-0d9a-414f...@googlegroups.com>:
>
> >On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 12:45:21 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wro> >te:
> >> The missing Americans:
> >> Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
> >> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm
> >>
> >> Summary:
> >> A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- includ> >ing many young and working-age adults --
> >> could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nation=
> >s.
> >> In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States > >if the US had mortality rates similar
> >> to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.
> >>
> >> Don't wanna be in America?
> >
> >Study is out of Boston University School of Public Health, isn't that conve> >nient for them to point out the necessity of more public health funding....
> That does not change the fact that:
> Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm
> I was thinking gun violence, mass shootings..., homelessness, stupidity,
> crime, gangs... radiation from nuke tests, oil well pollution, fracking..
> imploding infrastructure, failed sex change operations on kids :-),
> you name it US has it.
> Some jokers were selling this against covid:
> https://arstechnica.com/health/2023/07/church-of-bleach-family-goes-to-trial-representing-themselves-in-court/
> And suicides by army personnel, fatal drug use from subscribed opiods to fentanyl see:
> https://www.addictioncenter.com/news/2019/08/15-most-dangerous-drugs/
>
>
> >How many early deaths due to weird venereal disease contracted by Americans=
> > during sex tourism vacations in Netherlands? There's some kind of drug res> >istant strain of gonorrhea going around there brought back to the U.S.
> Never heard of that, but covid for sure was designed by Faulty in the US, put in a Chinese lab to tackle their economy
> but back-fired in a big way. Like HIV.

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/multi-drug-resistant-gonorrhoea

HIV has been around for at least 30,000 years. The last straw that ended up spreading it was the importation of large numbers of Haitians to work the deforestation of Uganda.

> Drinking water is polluted too in many places in the US, as are some genetically manipulated agricultural products
> Miracle still anybody is alive there, but wait, after the coming nuculear exchange that may change
> >The statistics are more a reflection on the kinds of people living in the U.S. than infrastructure.

U.S. is quite literally a cesspool, and a very toxic one at that. Don't bother paying attention to JL, he's blissfully off in La-La land, not thinking objectively.

> >
> >OMG! Look at this. The government should do something about it:
> >
> >https://diabetesed.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Diabetes-Belt-CDC.pdf
> Yea cola soft drinks some with dangerous sweeteners all day,
> etc etc..

It's only a suspicion and many years of research away from being anything definite. And these kinds of things are tested at ridiculous exposure levels, like drinking a thousand diet sodas daily for 20 years.

On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 15:09:48 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

>On a sunny day (Thu, 20 Jul 2023 06:59:02 -0700) it happened John Larkin
><jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
><82fibi58s317ot1mj5m65kn7vgbtus8k22@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 06:51:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jul 2023 07:56:49 -0700) it happened John Larkin
>>><jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
>>><uqsfbi9ld5sosip9lc9gsfh6uj2j8cmocp@4ax.com>:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 04:43:45 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The missing Americans:
>>>>> Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
>>>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>Summary:
>>>>> A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
>>>>> could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
>>>>> In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
>>>>> to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.
>>>>>
>>>>>Don't wanna be in America?
>>>>
>>>>We have millions of "undocumented" immigrants, often working under the
>>>>table, without decent living conditions or health benefits. Farm
>>>>workers, construction, cooks, house cleaners, dangerous things that
>>>>don't need much education or English skills. [1]
>>>>
>>>>We have a drug epidemic, from fentanyl manufactured by Mexican crime
>>>>cartels from Chinese chemical feedstocks. The CCP does this
>>>>deliberately.
>>>>
>>>>We have high mortality in a couple of specific sub-populations that
>>>>the Netherlands doesn't have.
>>>>
>>>>We have a edgier, more risk-seeking population than Europe. Over the
>>>>last few hundred years, the wilder parts of the european population
>>>>has immigrated to the USA. We lead in Nobel Prizes and wing-suit
>>>>deaths.
>>>>
>>>>I think the USA is beautiful and wonderful, a cool mix of languages
>>>>and cultures and foods and colors and terrains. And the best place to
>>>>design electronics. It's the Wild West. I just had a great talk with a
>>>>asian cabin-guest lady about melanin [2] and metabolizing lactose and
>>>>alcohol. She's a PA in the US Navy, on assignment with the Marines.
>>>>
>>>>[1] There's a Mexican crew working in our neighborhood doing fairly
>>>>dangerous construction. They come by late every day for a free beer.
>>>>They are fearless about heights and work 7 days a week for $75 per
>>>>hour.
>>>
>>>$75 per hour is not bad ..
>>> 75 * 40 * 52 = 156,000 per year
>>>for a 40 hours work week
>>> 365 * 8 * 75 = 219,000
>>>work into the evening:
>>> 365 * 12 * 75 = 328,500
>>>No wonder they all want to cross the southern border into the US...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Some immigrant house cleaners around here charge $300 a day.
>>>
>>>Do they pay income tax?
>>>
>>>
>>>>[2] She has lots, I don't seem to have any. A new psychological
>>>>disorder in the US is called "Melanin Envy."
>>>>
>>>>https://www.amazon.com/Melanin-Envy-African-Skintone-Culture/dp/B08LV22LNC
>>>
>>>I am white...
>>>I do have a black coat for on motor-cycle.
>>>And a black umbrella!
>>>
>>>But then on subject:
>>> Report highlights public health impact of serious harms from diagnostic error in US
>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717180010.htm
>>> estimated 795,000 Americans die or are permanently disabled by diagnostic error each year
>>
>>As James Arthur said, "Treat your doctor like an employee."
>>
>>I was recently diagnosed with macular degeneration, which was
>>upsetting until it was proven wrong.
>>
>>I was also diagnosed with incurable, hereditary psoriasis, when I was
>>just allergic to some shampoo. Read the labels: some of those things
>>have 20 ingredients.
>
>As a kid, in high school they tested my eyes.
>Some optician .. he then subscribed some glasses as 'one of my eyes was not good'.
>I could not wear those as it distorted everything I did see and did not dare wear those on my bike.
>So parents 'why do you not wear those glasses?'
>It pissed me off, back then I wanted to be a pilot and was told my eyes were not good enough..
>I refused, they then took me to some professor,
>he did an eye test and checked the glasses.. 'totally wrong' he said.
>Then 'you do not have to wear glasses at all'.
>Only when I was retired I started using reading glasses from the drugstore to solder very small SMDs.
>And to read very small fonts, but never when driving.
>
>I never became a pilot, electronics had me.
>If I had been a pilot who knows what would have happened...

I write my own eyeglass prescriptions and order from Zenni. When I get
a prescription from a optimetrist and buy fabulously expensive
glasses, I can't use them. The world is all twisted and goofy.

On 7/19/23 11:53 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:16:16 -0700) it happened Joerg
> <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote in <khr252F3kvvU1@mid.individual.net>:
>
>> On 7/18/23 9:43 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> The missing Americans:
>>> Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm
>>>
>>> Summary:
>>> A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
>>> could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
>>> In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
>>> to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.
>>>
>>
>> Much of the reasons can be summed up in very few words: Fast food, not
>> much sports, plenty of audio-visual entertainment, too much drug use. A
>> sedentary lifestyle.
>>
>> There is almost a two-tier society here when it comes to health.
>>
>> On one side those that are more of less couch potatoes, generally rather
>> overweight. These folks develop ailments such as high cholesterol
>> levels, diabetes, almost mortal obesity, cardiac events and such quite
>> early in life. Usually before retirement.
>
> Could be genetics, inherited from parents etc...
>

Very unlikely. I've lived on both continents for decades and the
differences are massive. It's habits, plain and simple.

>
>> The other tier are those who could be considered fitness buffs. I
>> regularly meet them at the gym, on my road bike, on mountain bike trails
>> or walking their dogs in the morning at a pretty fast clip. Rain or
>> shine, and that's one of the differences, the motivation. Those are the
>> people you see hammering up a rocky and steep singletrack at age 80,
>> having a blast.
>
> Well I did some sport in my kid days, my father wanted me to join a club
> that did long marches on a regular basis, so walking, you got a medal
> if you made it.. I had a box full, never cared much about it
> but was more fascinated about all the places we went.
> We had sports at school, hokey, some soccer, swimming was required,
> I liked to play billiards and some snooker..
> biking I did a lot as a kid,..
>
> I see a lot of older people here walking with a stick, slowly,
> I am lucky, still running around like when I was 20..
> Biking a lot..
>

Got to keep active. You can always get some sort of disease but one
should not trigger it with a sedentary lifestyle.

[...]

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:31:13 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
wrote:

>On 7/19/23 11:53 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:16:16 -0700) it happened Joerg
>> <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote in <khr252F3kvvU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>
>>> On 7/18/23 9:43 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>> The missing Americans:
>>>> Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
>>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm
>>>>
>>>> Summary:
>>>> A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
>>>> could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
>>>> In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
>>>> to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Much of the reasons can be summed up in very few words: Fast food, not
>>> much sports, plenty of audio-visual entertainment, too much drug use. A
>>> sedentary lifestyle.
>>>
>>> There is almost a two-tier society here when it comes to health.
>>>
>>> On one side those that are more of less couch potatoes, generally rather
>>> overweight. These folks develop ailments such as high cholesterol
>>> levels, diabetes, almost mortal obesity, cardiac events and such quite
>>> early in life. Usually before retirement.
>>
>> Could be genetics, inherited from parents etc...
>>
>
>Very unlikely. I've lived on both continents for decades and the
>differences are massive. It's habits, plain and simple.
>
>>
>>> The other tier are those who could be considered fitness buffs. I
>>> regularly meet them at the gym, on my road bike, on mountain bike trails
>>> or walking their dogs in the morning at a pretty fast clip. Rain or
>>> shine, and that's one of the differences, the motivation. Those are the
>>> people you see hammering up a rocky and steep singletrack at age 80,
>>> having a blast.
>>
>> Well I did some sport in my kid days, my father wanted me to join a club
>> that did long marches on a regular basis, so walking, you got a medal
>> if you made it.. I had a box full, never cared much about it
>> but was more fascinated about all the places we went.
>> We had sports at school, hokey, some soccer, swimming was required,
>> I liked to play billiards and some snooker..
>> biking I did a lot as a kid,..
>>
>> I see a lot of older people here walking with a stick, slowly,
>> I am lucky, still running around like when I was 20..
>> Biking a lot..
>>
>
>Got to keep active. You can always get some sort of disease but one
>should not trigger it with a sedentary lifestyle.
>
>[...]

I think I'll hike down the hill and try to score some pizza dough.

On 7/20/23 7:51 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 12:15:58 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:16:16 -0700, Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On 7/18/23 9:43 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>> The missing Americans:
>>>> Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
>>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm
>>>>
>>>> Summary:
>>>> A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
>>>> could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
>>>> In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
>>>> to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Much of the reasons can be summed up in very few words: Fast food, not
>>> much sports, plenty of audio-visual entertainment, too much drug use. A
>>> sedentary lifestyle.
>>>
>>> There is almost a two-tier society here when it comes to health.
>>
>> We have an enormous geographic and ethnic diversity, including
>> millions of legal and illegal immigrants. The US is the crossroads of
>> the world and inherits the problems of the world. Ocean to ocean,
>> arctic circle to Mexico.
>
> Don't be silly. Europe also has a lot of ethnic diversity - and for exactly the same reason. The are lots of poorer countries around it's border and work within is better paid than work outside it.
>
>> Paris has had some difficulty lately. Actually, the USA does pretty well absorbing immigrants. We don't have giant single-language enclaves or police keepout zones.
>
> Most of the US is still English only which makes it a huge ethnic enclave.
>

Absolutely not. For example, the displays in our hardware stores are
English and Spanish. Not that I think this is right but that's how it is.

When I got lost in Oakland about 20 years ago due to a bad map I asked
at a car repair shop. No English. Looked aropnd the plaza, same thing
everywhere, all the signs in Vietnamese. The owner of the shop motioned
to a bus stop and said "yielohw ... weet". Aha! So I waited for the big
yellow school bus, lots of kids including his son popped out and he
translated.

Our election ballot material is sent out in other languages. Now, to be
eligible to vote you must be a citizen and to become citizen one must
pass the language test. Weird.

When moving to another country I expect the new arrivals to learn that
country's official language if they plan to stay. Just as I did in the
Netherlands even though I only lived there a few years. I felt it was
the right thing to do. It takes effort but man has got to do what man
has got to do (Johne Wayne).

[...]

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 3:41:45 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
> On 7/20/23 7:51 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 12:15:58 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
> >> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:16:16 -0700, Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>> On 7/18/23 9:43 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> >>>> The missing Americans:
> >>>> Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
> >>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm
> >>>>
> >>>> Summary:
> >>>> A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
> >>>> could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
> >>>> In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
> >>>> to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Much of the reasons can be summed up in very few words: Fast food, not
> >>> much sports, plenty of audio-visual entertainment, too much drug use. A
> >>> sedentary lifestyle.
> >>>
> >>> There is almost a two-tier society here when it comes to health.
> >>
> >> We have an enormous geographic and ethnic diversity, including
> >> millions of legal and illegal immigrants. The US is the crossroads of
> >> the world and inherits the problems of the world. Ocean to ocean,
> >> arctic circle to Mexico.
> >
> > Don't be silly. Europe also has a lot of ethnic diversity - and for exactly the same reason. The are lots of poorer countries around it's border and work within is better paid than work outside it.
> >
> >> Paris has had some difficulty lately. Actually, the USA does pretty well absorbing immigrants. We don't have giant single-language enclaves or police keepout zones.
> >
> > Most of the US is still English only which makes it a huge ethnic enclave.
> >
> Absolutely not. For example, the displays in our hardware stores are
> English and Spanish. Not that I think this is right but that's how it is.

It's that way because a substantial fraction of the customers are Spanish speaking. If they want to sell product, they have to make all the communications Spanish. Same goes for all the tools, appliances, and other hardware. It's basic business marketing, not multiculturalism.

A lot of the immigrant laborers don't like speaking English any more than you like Spanish. Contrary to popular belief, they don't like living in the U.S. and plan to return their home country once they've made enough money. This is nothing new, the same thing was happening with immigrants to this country in late 19th early 20th century. They got fed up with being exploited as cheap labor, living in squalid housing in filthy, noisy unhealthy cities. Most of them returned to their home country within about five years. All the traditional self-promoting, historical propaganda about immigrants is total bullshit.

>
> When I got lost in Oakland about 20 years ago due to a bad map I asked
> at a car repair shop. No English. Looked aropnd the plaza, same thing
> everywhere, all the signs in Vietnamese. The owner of the shop motioned
> to a bus stop and said "yielohw ... weet". Aha! So I waited for the big
> yellow school bus, lots of kids including his son popped out and he
> translated.
>
> Our election ballot material is sent out in other languages. Now, to be
> eligible to vote you must be a citizen and to become citizen one must
> pass the language test. Weird.
>
> When moving to another country I expect the new arrivals to learn that
> country's official language if they plan to stay. Just as I did in the
> Netherlands even though I only lived there a few years. I felt it was
> the right thing to do. It takes effort but man has got to do what man
> has got to do (Johne Wayne).
>
> [...]
> --
> Regards, Joerg
>
> http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 3:38:32 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:31:13 -0700, Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com>
> wrote:
> >On 7/19/23 11:53 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> >> On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:16:16 -0700) it happened Joerg
> >> <ne...@analogconsultants.com> wrote in <khr252...@mid.individual.net>:
> >>
> >>> On 7/18/23 9:43 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> >>>> The missing Americans:
> >>>> Unprecedented US mortality far exceeds other wealthy nations
> >>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143216.htm
> >>>>
> >>>> Summary:
> >>>> A new study found that more than one million US deaths per year -- including many young and working-age adults --
> >>>> could be avoided if the US had mortality rates similar to its peer nations.
> >>>> In 2021, 1.1 million deaths would have been averted in the United States if the US had mortality rates similar
> >>>> to other wealthy nations, according to a new study.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Much of the reasons can be summed up in very few words: Fast food, not
> >>> much sports, plenty of audio-visual entertainment, too much drug use. A
> >>> sedentary lifestyle.
> >>>
> >>> There is almost a two-tier society here when it comes to health.
> >>>
> >>> On one side those that are more of less couch potatoes, generally rather
> >>> overweight. These folks develop ailments such as high cholesterol
> >>> levels, diabetes, almost mortal obesity, cardiac events and such quite
> >>> early in life. Usually before retirement.
> >>
> >> Could be genetics, inherited from parents etc...
> >>
> >
> >Very unlikely. I've lived on both continents for decades and the
> >differences are massive. It's habits, plain and simple.
> >
> >>
> >>> The other tier are those who could be considered fitness buffs. I
> >>> regularly meet them at the gym, on my road bike, on mountain bike trails
> >>> or walking their dogs in the morning at a pretty fast clip. Rain or
> >>> shine, and that's one of the differences, the motivation. Those are the
> >>> people you see hammering up a rocky and steep singletrack at age 80,
> >>> having a blast.
> >>
> >> Well I did some sport in my kid days, my father wanted me to join a club
> >> that did long marches on a regular basis, so walking, you got a medal
> >> if you made it.. I had a box full, never cared much about it
> >> but was more fascinated about all the places we went.
> >> We had sports at school, hokey, some soccer, swimming was required,
> >> I liked to play billiards and some snooker..
> >> biking I did a lot as a kid,..
> >>
> >> I see a lot of older people here walking with a stick, slowly,
> >> I am lucky, still running around like when I was 20..
> >> Biking a lot..
> >>
> >
> >Got to keep active. You can always get some sort of disease but one
> >should not trigger it with a sedentary lifestyle.
> >
> >[...]
> I think I'll hike down the hill and try to score some pizza dough.

https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/fitness/fitness-basics/aha-recs-for-physical-activity-in-adults