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Subject: Re: 2024 Chevrolet Silverado EV Work Truck
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 by: Flyguy - Fri, 1 Sep 2023 15:15 UTC

On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 10:37:30 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 2:29:04 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 8:18:49 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 11:00:35 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 9:48:22 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 1:03:33 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:12:10 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 12:58:43 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 11:29:29 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 2:33:02 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 11:59:17 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 2:49:38 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 9:31:20 AM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 10:36:26 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:33:42 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 9:53:07 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:43:43 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 11:06:24 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 2:44:19 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 10:39:07 AM UTC-7, Eddy Lee wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 10:17:56 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 10:07:14 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > > > > > > > > You are a private pilot. Commercial pilots get a lot more training, and crash the planes they are flying a lot less often. One pf my undergraduate friends was doing engineering with the ambitions of becoming a flight engineer, and was certified as a freight-only commercial pilot at the time. He kept press clippings of private pilot crashes, which were numerous.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sorry, Bozo, but I haven't "crashed" a plane.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You wouldn't have survived to post here if you had. Even the most moronic windbag can get lucky.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Commercial pilots do get more training for IFR flying and dealing with the complex systems on large jets, but the amount of stick time is FAR LESS than I get. When I fly I am at the controls from takeoff to landing. An airline pilot is at the controls for a FEW MINUTES during the entire flight; the rest of the time it is being flown by an autopilot. Do you have ANY concept what a commercial pilot does? I don't think so.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You don't think at all. An airline pilot is at the controls for the entire flight - though they swap around on long flights. For most of the flight they are just paying attention to what the aircraft is doing, until something goes wrong - ever heard of clear air-turbulence - but they are trained to cope with a range of improbable but plausible disasters.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > NO, airline pilots ARE NOT hand-flying the plane except for a few minutes at takeoff and landing.
> > > >
> > > > > I didn't say that they were.
> > > >
> > > > YOU DID!
> > > >
> > > > "You don't think at all. An airline pilot is at the controls for the entire flight"
> > >
> > > They are, but that doesn't mean that they are hand-flying the plane.
> > >
> > > > You MUST be as senile as Lyin' Biden and can't remember what you said a few hours ago.
> > >
> > > The senility is all yours. Not only can I remember what I said but I can understand what it meant, which you clearly can't.
> > >
> > > > > > The ENTIRE REST OF THE TIME the aircraft is being flown by the autopilot - the pilots just change the heading and altitude. But you don't know that because you don't know SHIT about flying and REFUSE to educate yourself.
> > > >
> > > > > The pilots also pay attention to the environment in a way that current autopilots can't manage yet, and are ready to intervene immediately if it become necessary. Sometimes they don't react fast enough, or produce the wrong reaction, and the flight is lost. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen. I know about that because I read the newspapers. You don't even know that much.
> > > >
> > > > This is garbage coming from the mouth of someone who has NEVER flown an aircraft (real, not MS simulator). If a plane is being flown by the autopilot it IS NOT being flown by either pilot, which is EXACTLY what I said.. What you are saying is that they are MONITORING the autopilot, which 99% of the time they really aren't - the autopilot alerts them if it can't handle conditions and disengages.
> > >
> > > Of course it is being flown by the pilot in control, in that same way that a captain controls a ship. Some aspects of control are handled by lower level systems, but the pilot is expected and required to take over if anything uexpected happens.
> >
> > > >In ANY CASE when I fly I AM at the controls the TOTAL TIME I am in the air, so every minute I log I am personally flying the plane - EVERY MINUTE!
> > > So what.
> > > > So the vast majority of the time that airline pilots log they ARE NOT at the controls.
> > >
> > > They are present at the controls, though they may not be manipulating them. "At the controls" isn't the same as "working the controls". It's not a fine distinction.
> > >
> > > > The airline pilots that log the most time AT THE CONTROLS are regional airline pilots who have short hops and spend more time at takeoffs and landings. A trans-Pacific or trans-Atlantic pilot may only do ONE takeoff and landing PER MONTH!!!!!
> > >
> > > So what?
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > You just ADMITTED you don't know SHIT about trucks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Actually, you did, by confusing compression braking with regenerative braking.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I made NO SUCH mistake - ICE trucks HAVE NO regenerative braking and EV trucks HAVE NO compression braking.
> > > > >
> > > > > You certainly made the mistake, but still haven't realised it. We all know that ICE trucks don't do regenerative braking. EV trucks could do something similar to compression braking - if more effective - by changing the current direction through the motor to actively slow the vehicle. Using the electric motor as a generator produces less deceleration (if the tyres don't start slipping, when what the motor does becomes largely irrelevant).
> > > >
> > > > Hey Bozo, again you SAID that I "don't know the difference between compressive and regenerative braking." Fuck, I have driven hundreds of thousands of miles in trucks and SURE AS HELL know the difference. Again, you have NEVER DRIVEN A TRUCK, so have NO IDEA how compressive braking functions..
> > >
> > > It works exactly the same way it does in an ICE car.
> > >
> > > >You are just PLAIN IGNORANT of these issues, but you are TOO STUPID to realize it (not REALISE) and persist in faking knowledge in a subject in which you NO NOTHING.
> > >
> > > The ignorance is all yours.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > Neither do you, otherwise you wouldn't have confused compression braking with regenerative braking. I may not know as much as you, but more of what I do know seems to be true.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Oh, YES I DO! I have driven trucks for DECADES, you ignorant FOOL! I doubt that you have driven one around the block.
> > > > >
> > > > > So what. You've may have loads of experience (though you do lie at lot) but you clearly no comprehension of what you were experiencing.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Doing it clearly didn't force you to think about what you were doing. Thinking isn't your strong point. That does seem to be asserting confident ignorance.
> > > > >
> > > > > > HOW would you know? I have driven hundreds of thousands of miles with trucks - your experience might be driving one around the block, but I doubt it because you DON'T THINK AT ALL!
> > > > >
> > > > > That is what you like to think. It doesn't happen to be true, like most of your "confident assertions" but that doesn't stop you mouthing off.
> > > >
> > > > No, that is what I KNOW! What do you want as proof, the VIN of my truck???
> > >
> > > What would that prove? You do seem to be convinced that you do know what you are talking about, while producing a stream of fatuous nonsense.
> >
> > LOL! It would prove that I OWN the truck, you IDIOT!! Where I have driven trucks for DECADES you haven't driven on AROUND THE BLOCK!!! This is why you have NOTHING to add to this conversation.
> This isn't a conversation. You are just using this space as a forum to post a string of confident, but fatuous assertions, and I'm encouraging you to keep on making an ass of yourself
>
> --
> Bozo Bill Slowman, Sydney


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 by: Anthony William Slom - Sat, 2 Sep 2023 06:21 UTC

On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 1:15:34 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 10:37:30 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 2:29:04 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 8:18:49 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 11:00:35 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 9:48:22 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 1:03:33 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:12:10 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 12:58:43 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 11:29:29 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 2:33:02 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 11:59:17 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 2:49:38 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 9:31:20 AM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 10:36:26 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:33:42 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 9:53:07 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:43:43 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 11:06:24 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 2:44:19 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 10:39:07 AM UTC-7, Eddy Lee wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 10:17:56 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 10:07:14 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

> > This isn't a conversation. You are just using this space as a forum to post a string of confident, but fatuous assertions, and I'm encouraging you to keep on making an ass of yourself
>
> Hey, this is just another in your long string of LIES.

You'd prefer that I was lying, but wishing doesn't make it so,

> But what else would we expect from someone who thinks that NUKING and FIREBOMBING their OWN COUNTRY is a good idea.

Except - of course 0 that I don't but Sewage Sweeper has this gratifying - to him - delusion that he can get away with this fatuous claim.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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 by: Flyguy - Tue, 5 Sep 2023 03:43 UTC

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 11:21:32 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 1:15:34 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 10:37:30 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 2:29:04 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 8:18:49 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 11:00:35 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 9:48:22 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 1:03:33 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:12:10 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 12:58:43 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 11:29:29 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 2:33:02 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 11:59:17 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 2:49:38 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 9:31:20 AM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 10:36:26 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:33:42 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 9:53:07 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:43:43 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 11:06:24 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 2:44:19 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 10:39:07 AM UTC-7, Eddy Lee wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 10:17:56 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 10:07:14 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > > This isn't a conversation. You are just using this space as a forum to post a string of confident, but fatuous assertions, and I'm encouraging you to keep on making an ass of yourself
> >
> > Hey, this is just another in your long string of LIES.
>
> You'd prefer that I was lying, but wishing doesn't make it so,
> > But what else would we expect from someone who thinks that NUKING and FIREBOMBING their OWN COUNTRY is a good idea.
> Except - of course 0 that I don't but Sewage Sweeper has this gratifying - to him - delusion that he can get away with this fatuous claim.
>
> --
> Bill Sloman, Sydney

Hey Bozo, try constructing a simple sentence in ENGLISH! I know I am asking a lot of you...

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Subject: Re: 2024 Chevrolet Silverado EV Work Truck
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 by: Anthony William Slom - Tue, 5 Sep 2023 06:27 UTC

On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 1:43:11 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 11:21:32 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 1:15:34 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 10:37:30 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 2:29:04 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 8:18:49 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 11:00:35 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 9:48:22 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 1:03:33 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:12:10 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 12:58:43 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 11:29:29 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 2:33:02 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 11:59:17 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 2:49:38 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 9:31:20 AM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 10:36:26 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:33:42 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 9:53:07 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:43:43 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 11:06:24 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 2:44:19 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 10:39:07 AM UTC-7, Eddy Lee wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 10:17:56 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 10:07:14 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> > > > This isn't a conversation. You are just using this space as a forum to post a string of confident, but fatuous assertions, and I'm encouraging you to keep on making an ass of yourself
> > >
> > > Hey, this is just another in your long string of LIES.
> >
> > You'd prefer that I was lying, but wishing doesn't make it so.
> >
> > > But what else would we expect from someone who thinks that NUKING and FIREBOMBING their OWN COUNTRY is a good idea.
>
> > Except - of course, that I don't but Sewage Sweeper has this gratifying - to him - delusion that he can get away with this fatuous claim.
>
> Hey, try constructing a simple sentence in ENGLISH! I know I am asking a lot of you...

I know that you can't cope with complicated sentence structures, but I'm not going to dumb down my comments to your level. It's not as if I'm trying to make you feel confused.

You are suffering from senile dementia and try to simplify everything down to the infantile level you think you can understand, but still don't.

--
Bil Sloman, Sydney

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